Female shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS

[UK2K]

Per government officials.

[DrakeTheSnake]

Not surprising. I doubted that somebody did this without affiliations to terrorists. No other motivation.

[oh the horror]

Is there a picture of her yet? I haven't seen anything thus far

[UK2K]

Is there a picture of her yet? I haven't seen anything thus far
I was just reading an article how they pretty much know nothing about her.

She met her husband online. Apparently she was radicalized and turned the husband on to it.

The husbands brother served in the Navy, so it's unlikely the attack was motivated by family.

From what I read, the guy lived a fairly normal life.

Weird since there's about 10 Muslim families who live within 50 steps of my apartment.

[DCL]

always muslim

[oh the horror]

I was just reading an article how they pretty much know nothing about her.

She met her husband online. Apparently she was radicalized and turned the husband on to it.

The husbands brother served in the Navy, so it's unlikely the attack was motivated by family.

From what I read, the guy lived a fairly normal life.

Weird since there's about 10 Muslim families who live within 50 steps of my apartment.





I'd love to know how that conversation went....


"Honey we need to talk...."

[Nick Young]

So this was actually an Islamic terrorist attack? Are you cereal right now? It's wasn't a Christian white guy gunning people down? Twitter told me it was doe!

Can't believe ISIS made San Bernadino their first target on US soil. That place is one of the worst cities in California. I guess they're trying to send the message that they can strike anywhere, even shit places.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I don't get why it even matters.

Everybody is already dead. There is no going back now that we know she's a muslim.

[UK2K]

I don't get why it even matters.

Everybody is already dead. There is no going back now that we know she's a muslim.
The fact she's Muslim doesn't matter.

The fact ISIS was directly involved matters because this is the first (of many I'm sorry to say) attack related to ISIS on American soil.

[Nick Young]

I was just reading an article how they pretty much know nothing about her.

She met her husband online. Apparently she was radicalized and turned the husband on to it.

The husbands brother served in the Navy, so it's unlikely the attack was motivated by family.

From what I read, the guy lived a fairly normal life.

Weird since there's about 10 Muslim families who live within 50 steps of my apartment.
So you're telling me these terrorist murderers were Muslims? What a crazy coincidence!

[West-Side]

Where's that *** DonDadda?

[HitandRun Reggie]

Where are all you people who said it was a bunch crackas who did this, then changed to workplace violence, then changed their stance to lone wolf self radicalized individuals?

*chirp* *chirp*

[AlphaWolf24]

is she hot?


NO.....but she got dat Phylicia Rashad cuteness going on.....


not cute enough to go postal on co workers though...:no:

[pinhead]

Is there a picture of her yet? I haven't seen anything thus far

3/10. The French female suicide bomber was fitter.

[DCL]

the religion of psychos

[Nick Young]

#ReligionofMurder

[Dresta]

Def a 'gun-control' issue here!

[pinhead]

In a way this could be good news. America might do something now to help wipe out ISIS instead of leaving it to Britain and Russia.

[Nick Young]

In a way this could be good news. America might do something now to help wipe out ISIS instead of leaving it to Britain and Russia.
America likes ISIS, they both are fighting Assad. US even provided training and weapons to ISIS, who they labeled "noble moderate freedom fighters" a few years ago.

America is bombing Assad, while doing relatively little vs ISIS. It is bullshit. ISIS should be public enemy number one, but according to Obama's strategy, they're just a "JV team".


WE NEED JIM WEBB IN OFFICE. WE NEED A WAR TIME PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW.

[pinhead]

America likes ISIS, they both are fighting Assad. US even provided training and weapons to ISIS, who they labeled "noble moderate freedom fighters" a few years ago.

America is bombing Assad, while doing relatively little vs ISIS. It is bullshit. ISIS should be public enemy number one, but according to Obama's strategy, they're just a "JV team".


WE NEED JIM WEBB IN OFFICE. WE NEED A WAR TIME PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW.

I don't know who Jim Webb is but Donald Trump should be the next President.

[oh the horror]

So, some are zeroing in on Muslims and Islam while American's own citizens continue to perform mass shootings on their own people every other month it would seem. And outside of the typical crazies a few of them do it for the sake of their extremist religious views.



Something to be said about throwing rocks in glass houses. Some of you need to take a long hard look in the mirror this weekend and think about what's really going on.

[Nick Young]

So, some are zeroing in on Muslims and Islam while American's own citizens continue to perform mass shootings on their own people every other month it would seem. And outside of the typical crazies a few of them do it for the sake of their extremist religious views.



Something to be said about throwing rocks in glass houses. Some of you need to take a long hard look in the mirror this weekend and think about what's really going on.
Stop your deflection tactics and justifications, dumbass.

Yes, Islam is a problem. You can see it all over the world. The religion was founded on violence. Mohammad was a violent warmonger who conquered the Arab peninsula and converted people to Islam by the sword, and murdered poets for writing poems about him, and destroyed historic pagan monuments.

ISIS are doing the exact same shit that Mohammad, the creator of Islam, did in his own lifetime, and encouraged his followers to do in the Koran.


It is obvious by now that this religious ideology is a big problem. It would not be spawning so many nutcase murderers if it truly was a "religion of peace"


In reality Islam is a religion of aggressive expansion through whatever means necessary.

It's all written in the Koran. Have you even read it?

There are even multiple verses where Mohammad literally encourages his followers to commit acts of terror in the name of expanding Islam.

[Patrick Chewing]

America might do something now to help wipe out ISIS instead of leaving it to Britain and Russia.

https://media.giphy.com/media/XOywjQnU8R89q/giphy.gif

[pinhead]

https://media.giphy.com/media/XOywjQnU8R89q/giphy.gif

Russia is taking out the terrorists, Britain is taking out the Oil.

#DREAMTEAM

[oh the horror]

Stop your deflection tactics and justifications, dumbass.

Yes, Islam is a problem. You can see it all over the world. The religion was founded on violence. Mohammad was a violent warmonger who conquered the Arab peninsula and converted people to Islam by the sword, and murdered poets for writing poems about him, and destroyed historic pagan monuments.

ISIS are doing the exact same shit that Mohammad, the creator of Islam, did in his own lifetime, and encouraged his followers to do in the Koran.


It is obvious by now that this religious ideology is a big problem. It would not be spawning so many nutcase murderers if it truly was a "religion of peace"


In reality Islam is a religion of aggressive expansion through whatever means necessary.

It's all written in the Koran. Have you even read it?

There are even multiple verses where Mohammad literally encourages his followers to commit acts of terror in the name of expanding Islam.





Think with your human brain and not with your d*ck dude. I know Muslim people that are quiet law abiding citizens and practice their religion, raise their families and don't bother anyone. Why aren't they violently according to the same religious text?



You don't seem to be feverishly invested when we have our own citizens attacking on our own soil. Or in some cases attacking our own soil and then we find it was prompted by some religious Christian ideology


Face it dude. You view them differently because they are Muslim and different and your head can't process it correctly

[Nick Young]

Has France given up already or are they still leading the charge?

[pinhead]

oh the horror, have you been radicalised?

[mehyaM24]

Think with your human brain and not with your d*ck dude. I know Muslim people that are quiet law abiding citizens and practice their religion, raise their families and don't bother anyone. Why aren't they violently according to the same religious text?



You don't seem to be feverishly invested when we have our own citizens attacking on our own soil. Or in some cases attacking our own soil and then we find it was prompted by some religious Christian ideology


Face it dude. You view them differently because they are Muslim and different and your head can't process it correctly

i'm a firm believer of the second amendment, but i have to agree with horror.

there are tons of muslims where i live (socal). hell, my neighbor and his family are all muslim - they're some of the nicest people i've had the privilege of meeting.

radicals and zealots are the problem - not so much the religion.

[Nick Young]

Think with your human brain and not with your d*ck dude. I know Muslim people that are quiet law abiding citizens and practice their religion, raise their families and don't bother anyone. Why aren't they violently according to the same religious text?



You don't seem to be feverishly invested when we have our own citizens attacking on our own soil. Or in some cases attacking our own soil and then we find it was prompted by some religious Christian ideology


Face it dude. You view them differently because they are Muslim and different and your head can't process it correctly


I never said "ALL" muslims, fool.

Yes. A majority of Muslims are good people that want to live their lives.


That doesn't change the fact that the religion at its foundation is toxic. it doesn't change the fact that the religion is inspiring a shit ton of murdering terrorists. Not to mention misogyny and slavery in countries where Muslims are the majority.


In terms of benefits and cons, Islam is mostly cons.


The founder of the religion was a murderous warmonger. ISIS and terrorist groups like ISIS are following his example, inspired by the words he wrote in the Koran.


You can stick your head in the sand and pretend Islamic terrorism isn't a problem, but its a problem.



You are the one who doesn't understand Islam. I have actually lived in a Muslim country for two years. You have no idea what it's like. These guys are groping 14 year old girls, and raping little boys, and then going to Mosque twice a day as well. Have you even read the Koran? You are speaking as someone who has zero knowledge and understanding of the religion.


"but i know some nice muslims doe, they wouldn't hurt a fly doe!"


The religion is built on a foundation of aggressive violent expansion. ISIS and other terrorists groups today are doing exactly what Mohammad did, and encouraged other Muslims to do in the Koran.

[oh the horror]

oh the horror, have you been radicalised?



I've been radical since the 80s dude.


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Look I also wanted to add that I empathize with both sides. I had a convo with a friend concerning this and I said what do regular Muslims expect? You have terror attacks being done by what seems to be "normal" regular Muslim citizens and we can't tell who or when this is going to occur. Globally this is a huge f*cking problem. How do you even combat an ideology that seems to be spreading to the general population of Muslim people and throughout Islam? And while I don't KNOW exact percentages, as it may be high or low for radicalized Muslim terrorists in their own ranks of ordinary people, there's no way for us people who endure global attacks on innocent citizens. So OF COURSE people are paranoid.

[Nick Young]

radicals and zealots are the problem - not so much the religion.
What religion do the radicals and zealots belong to? What book are they gaining inspiration from? Where did the radicals and zealots get their ideology from?



Do you know anything at all about the history of Mohammad, the creator of Islam? Do you know anything about what's actually written in the Koran? :confusedshrug:

[DeuceWallaces]

The fact she's Muslim doesn't matter.

The fact ISIS was directly involved matters because this is the first (of many I'm sorry to say) attack related to ISIS on American soil.

That's not really true. ISIS was not directly involved. Just some woman who believed in the cause. At this time there appears to have been no direct planning or logistical support from overseas; which would be much scarier.

[DeuceWallaces]

Def a 'gun-control' issue here!

Terrorism is a lot harder when you can't legally purchase assault weapons.

[Nanners]

So, some are zeroing in on Muslims and Islam while American's own citizens continue to perform mass shootings on their own people every other month it would seem. And outside of the typical crazies a few of them do it for the sake of their extremist religious views.



Something to be said about throwing rocks in glass houses. Some of you need to take a long hard look in the mirror this weekend and think about what's really going on.

Everything has to be mutually exclusive with some people.

We argue about whether the problem is organized terrorism or lone wolfs, whether the problem is gun control or mental health.... when really they are all problems in varying ways.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I think we have all learned not to take Nick Young seriously when discussing anything regarding the Islamic religion. Dude is blatantly and purposely ignorant/clueless and he throws it in your face.

[imdaman99]

Weird since there's about 10 Muslim families who live within 50 steps of my apartment.
Man that is weird as hell. I don't know why would you let them move into your neighborhood. You need to showcase your gun collection. You can't let them plot to terrorize the country when there is something you can do about it.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Terrorism is a lot harder when you can't legally purchase assault weapons.

Not sure if serious. Hoping your not serious. :facepalm

[Nick Young]

Terrorism is a lot harder when you can't legally purchase assault weapons.
Yes, gun control laws certainly stopped the attack on Paris, amirite bro?:hammerhead:

[mehyaM24]

What religion do the radicals and zealots belong to? What book are they gaining inspiration from? Where did the radicals and zealots get their ideology from?



Do you know anything at all about the history of Mohammad, the creator of Islam? Do you know anything about what's actually written in the Koran? :confusedshrug:

there's a lot of hypocritical nonsense, bullshit fables, and other atrocities in said book which is why i added "not so much".

you don't see every muslim, or most muslims in america, committing acts of terror.

[Nick Young]

So you think it's just as easy to do anything illegal as it is if it's legal?
Terrorists are going to obtain firearms whether it's legal or not.



If random scrub ass gangster kids in London can get guns, what makes you think terrorists funded by Saudis and Emiratis won't be able to?:confusedshrug:



As it stands in the US, if a terrorist starts gunning people down in a public space, atleast there's a chance someone with a concealed weapon license will pull out their piece and fire back.

[Nick Young]

while there is a lot of hypocrtical nonsense, bs fables, and other atrocities in said book, i said "not so much religion" because you don't see every muslim, or most muslims in america committing acts of terror.
So you're trying to say that all religions are the same, and inspire an equal amount of terrorist zealots?:confusedshrug:


Really?


Please answer these question: Do you know anything at all about the history of Mohammad, the creator of Islam? Do you know anything about what's actually written in the Koran?

[KNOW1EDGE]

So you think it's just as easy to do anything illegal as it is if it's legal?

I think it's safe to say that terrorists don't give a single fuhck about following the United states laws.

[Nanners]

I think it's safe to say that terrorists don't give a single fuhck about following the United states laws.

that wasnt the question

in the US if you have $1500 you can walk into a gun shop and walk out the same day with an AR. in australia that same AR costs ~$35k on the black market, and that is assuming you have a connection to some kind of underground gun dealer.

which one is easier?

[mehyaM24]

So you're trying to say that all religions are the same, and inspire an equal amount of terrorist zealots?:confusedshrug:

you misinterpreted what i said. i also edited my post for clarity.

so again, why aren't most muslims in america terrorists?

[Nick Young]

The Koran literally provides examples of terrorist acts Mohammad committed. It literally provides encouragement to "cast terror" in the hearts of unbelievers.



Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".


Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"



I don't think you people know what's actually written in the Koran.

[The Real JW]

As it stands in the US, if a terrorist starts gunning people down in a public space, atleast there's a chance someone with a concealed weapon license will pull out their piece and fire back.
Has that ever happened though?

[Nick Young]

you misinterpreted what i said. i also edited my post for clarity.

so again, why aren't most muslims in america terrorists?

Note how I never said "ALL MUSLIMS".

Because many in the west are following their religion in a moderate progressive way, thank christ.


It doesn't change the fact there are a shit ton of people who follow the Koran literally. Especially considering the fact that the Koran is meant to be interpreted as literal, according to the teachings of Mohammad.



Even if it is only 1% support and cause all of this terror, violence and murder, that is still 1% of 1.6 billion people, which is way too high.

And according to polls, it is much more than 1% of Muslims who support this kind of terror in the name of Islam.


Buddhists aren't instructed to spread terror in the hearts of non-believers. Jews aren't instructed to kill the non-Jews and force them to convert by the sword. Christians aren't taught that slavery is ok. Scientologists aren't taught it's ok to beat women who disagree with them.


Muslims are encouraged to do all all of these things in the Koran, a book written by the founder of Islam, Mohammad.

And Mohammad in his lifetime was a murderous warmonger who committed acts of genocide, and even had poets murdered for writing comedic satires about him.

[Nick Young]

Has that ever happened though?
That doesn't mean it can't happen.

[HitandRun Reggie]

that wasnt the question

in the US if you have $1500 you can walk into a gun shop and walk out the same day with an AR. in australia that same AR costs ~$35k on the black market, and that is assuming you have a connection to some kind of underground gun dealer.

which one is easier?

So the rich, the criminals and the cops get all the guns and the general populace loses a constitutional right. Just beautiful...

[mehyaM24]

Note how I never said "ALL MUSLIMS".

Because they are following their religion in a moderate progressive way, thank christ.

but, how is that if the book "turns" these people radical?

again. you rarely hear about muslim americans being terrorists so what gives? are you saying american muslims just don't know how to read text?

[Dresta]

Terrorism is a lot harder when you can't legally purchase assault weapons.
The attackers in Europe actually had superior weaponry (they had actual rapid-fire machine guns, as well as rocket launchers or explosive vests - we're talking pretty advanced stuff here, stuff that isn't even available on the US market).

You only need to have a working knowledge of how to use the internet and access the deep web to get hold of guns nowadays. It won't be difficult for anyone who is willing to die for the cause to acquire some weapons, especially because of Schengen, which makes these things so much more difficult to track.

Even the useless bum that failed in the train attack in France was able to get hold of the same kind of weapons that these attackers had.

[Nick Young]

but, how is that if the book "turns" these people radical?

again. you rarely hear about muslim americans being terrorists so what gives? are you saying americans and muslims here just don't know how to read?
Not at all.


You're attempting to use deflection tactics now. Why?


I have no idea how seemingly normal people become radical Muslim terrorists. I just know it's happening at a very high rate.



Have you ever read the Koran? Do you know what's in it? Do you know what Mohammad did while he was alive?

[mehyaM24]

You're attempting to use deflection tactics now. Why?

please answer the questions. thanks in advance.

[KNOW1EDGE]

that wasnt the question

in the US if you have $1500 you can walk into a gun shop and walk out the same day with an AR. in australia that same AR costs ~$35k on the black market, and that is assuming you have a connection to some kind of underground gun dealer.

which one is easier?

It most certainly was.

He asked me if it's easier to do things legally or illegally?

I said terrorists don't care about following the law so it is just as easy for them to do things illegally as it is to do things legally. IE obtaining a gun

Let's not take this any further. Im all for slightly stricter gun laws. I just know that it will not stop terrorism or even slow it down.

[Nick Young]

please answer the questions. thanks in advance.
I have no idea how seemingly normal people become radical Muslim terrorists. I just know it's happening at a very high rate.



Have you ever read the Koran? Do you know what's in it? Do you know what Mohammad did while he was alive?

[Nanners]

It most certainly was.

He asked me if it's easier to do things legally or illegally?

I said terrorists don't care about following the law so it is just as easy for them to do things illegally as it is to do things legally. IE obtaining a gun

Let's not take this any further. Im all for slightly stricter gun laws. I just know that it will not stop terrorism or even slow it down.

:oldlol:

do you not understand what the word "easy" means?

[DeuceWallaces]

The attackers in Europe actually had superior weaponry (they had actual rapid-fire machine guns, as well as rocket launchers or explosive vests - we're talking pretty advanced stuff here, stuff that isn't even available on the US market).

You only need to have a working knowledge of how to use the internet and access the deep web to get hold of guns nowadays. It won't be difficult for anyone who is willing to die for the cause to acquire some weapons, especially because of Schengen, which makes these things so much more difficult to track.

Even the useless bum that failed in the train attack in France was able to get hold of the same kind of weapons that these attackers had.

None of that is logical opposition to restricting the sale of automatic weapons in the US as a preventative measure against mass killings.

It's a rare occasion in Europe; it happens monthly in the US.

Are you that dumb? You don't see the connection?

Clearly attacks and mass killings will not be stopped altogether, but there is mountains of statistical evidence that restricting the availability of guns greatly reduces the occurrence of mass killings and gun violence in general. That's an undeniable truth. You can state that you don't care or that constitutional right can not be restricted in any way, but you can't refute it.

[KNOW1EDGE]

:oldlol:

do you not understand what the word "easy" means?

I'm sorry this has been so difficult for you to grasp.

Is it easier to go in an apply and wait and be denied because of U.S law?
Or is it easier to break the law, and purchase a gun illegally in a blink of an eye, or call your terrorist connect and have weapons delivered to you for free?

Which one is easier? Following the law or breaking the law?

Does that help?

[DeuceWallaces]

Yes, gun control laws certainly stopped the attack on Paris, amirite bro?:hammerhead:

You aren't very bright are you?

Do you really not understand the concept or definition of rarity vs. an impossibility? An event taking place does not make it any more or less rare.

[Nanners]

cant believe people actually think buying an illegal $35k assault rifle from an underground gun dealer is just as "easy" as buying a legal $1k assault rifle from wal-mart :oldlol:

[ThePhantomCreep]

Has that ever happened though?

To my knowledge, nope, no mass shooting has never been stopped by an armed citizen who just happened to be walking by.

Ironically, a man was seen walking around with an assault rifle in full view on the streets of Colorado Springs...right before he walked into a Planned Parenthood facility and shot up the place. Open carry laws worked wonders there.

[Derka]

More than a little ironic since in ISIS' f*cked up world, she'd be nothing more than a baby factory.

[senelcoolidge]

I don't think you people know what's actually written in the Koran.

It seems you have a lot of fake muslims on this site. Not Muslim enough. They don't even know what their book says.

Scholars, what is Takiya and Tawriya?

[DeuceWallaces]

cant believe people actually think buying an illegal $35k assault rifle from an underground gun dealer is just as "easy" as buying a legal $1k assault rifle from wal-mart :oldlol:

How does a woman pledging to ISIS on Facebook even locate a black market dealer?

I'd also be curious to know if underground North American gun runners would even sell to a suspected terrorist? Do they care? Just want the money?

These guys sell to gang-bangers, but for the most part they know their products won't end up involved in mass shootings and any heat that may come their way. Would informants root that stuff out easily; catching wind that our gun runners are selling to potential domestic terrorists? Interesting question.

[West-Side]

It's okay, have no fear, Putin will be sending these sheep ****ers straight to hell.

[Nanners]

I'm sorry this has been so difficult for you to grasp.

Is it easier to go in an apply and wait and be denied because of U.S law?
Or is it easier to break the law, and purchase a gun illegally in a blink of an eye, or call your terrorist connect and have weapons delivered to you for free?

Which one is easier? Following the law or breaking the law?


doing both is easier

are you under the impression that the US doesnt have an illegal gun market or something?

the easiest thing is to drive down to your local walmart. if you happen to get denied, you can still purchase an illegal gun, and it will still be much easier and cheaper than most other developed countries simply due to the sheer quantity of guns we have.

[Nick Young]

would gun control laws have stopped the pipebomb factory found in the house of these muslim terrorists?

[HitandRun Reggie]

None of that is logical opposition to restricting the sale of automatic weapons in the US as a preventative measure against mass killings.


Not one of these mass killings involved the sale of an automatic weapon. Sales of automatic weapons to the general public have been illegal since the 1930s. Law enforcement, large corporations and very few individuals can legally posses automatic weapons. I could be wrong but I don't believe any illegally converted automatic weapons have been used in mass shootings in like 50 years here in the US. Although I believe the Hollywood bank robbers did use illegaly converted weapons. In short, you don't know what you are talking about.

[oarabbus]

Not one of these mass killings involved the sale of an automatic weapon. Sales of automatic weapons to the general public have been illegal since the 1930s. Law enforcement, large corporations and very few individuals can legally posses automatic weapons. I could be wrong but I don't believe any illegally converted automatic weapons have been used in mass shootings in like 50 years. Although I believe the Hollywood bank robbers did use illegaly converted weapons. In short, you don't know what you are talking about.


Doesn't that support his point? Automatic weapons are banned, and no mass crimes have been committed since that ban?

[Nanners]

Not one of these mass killings involved the sale of an automatic weapon. Sales of automatic weapons to the general public have been illegal since the 1930s. Law enforcement, large corporations and very few individuals can legally posses automatic weapons. I could be wrong but I don't believe any illegally converted automatic weapons have been used in mass shootings in like 50 years here in the US. Although I believe the Hollywood bank robbers did use illegaly converted weapons. In short, you don't know what you are talking about.

you do realize that deuce was responding to a post about automatic weapons right?

context

[HitandRun Reggie]

Doesn't that support his point? Automatic weapons are banned, and no mass crimes have been committed since that ban?

Not really. If it did, no one in France would have died by an automatic weapon. Automatic weapons AND semi-auto weapons have been banned in France for years yet they have had at least a hundred fold more pepole killed by automatic weapons than the US.

[DonDadda59]

Where's that *** DonDadda?

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Sup Pahtnah?

[~primetime~]

cant believe people actually think buying an illegal $35k assault rifle from an underground gun dealer is just as "easy" as buying a legal $1k assault rifle from wal-mart :oldlol:
So we are to give up our right to bear arms in an effort to make it 'harder' for terrorists to get a firearm?

Weather it is a school shooter, or a Islamic nut fck, they view that as their destiny in life, their going to 'terrorize' no matter what the law says. (see Paris)

[~primetime~]

Terrorists are killing US citizens...so let's take guns away from the US citizens

that will show them!

:facepalm

[Nanners]

So we are to give up our right to bear arms in an effort to make it 'harder' for terrorists to get a firearm?

Weather it is a school shooter, or a Islamic nut fck, they view that as their destiny in life, their going to 'terrorize' no matter what the law says. (see Paris)

did i say that?

im pretty sure i didnt say anything about what we should do, i was just pointing out a fact.

but since you asked, no. personally i do not want to give up my guns just to make it harder for some "terrorist" to get one. i do think we should increase some gun restrictions tho, background checks should probably be better.

[ThePhantomCreep]

would gun control laws have stopped the pipebomb factory found in the house of these muslim terrorists?

You mean the pipebombs that were never used?

We'll never know, these terrorists were too busy using the path to least resistance in order to commit their atrocity.

[DonDadda59]

Terrorists are killing US citizens...so let's take guns away from the US citizens

that will show them!

:facepalm

If this was a terrorist attack (and let's be real, it'd be the laziest terror attack in terrorist history)... then all the weapons used were purchased legally. Just saying. The dude was a health inspector but was able to get AR-15s with no issue.

[UK2K]

That's not really true. ISIS was not directly involved. Just some woman who believed in the cause. At this time there appears to have been no direct planning or logistical support from overseas; which would be much scarier.

From what I read, the shooters attempted to cover up their digital trail. Experts are working now to recover date from their computers.

My guess is, if she legitimately did pledge allegiance to ISIS (and I am assuming she did, because you would need some hard evidence to release that sort of information), then higher ups at ISIS most definitely knew they had a.... I guess 'operative' you could call it... here in the states.

Its already been released they used ISIS style tactics when the attack was carried out. What those were, I don't know.

I don't believe its like a Costco membership where you just go whenever you want. I would think if you're crazy enough to pledge allegiance to ISIS, you are probably going to take orders from them as well.

We shall see.

[UK2K]

If this was a terrorist attack (and let's be real, it'd be the laziest terror attack in terrorist history)... then all the weapons used were purchased legally. Just saying. The dude was a health inspector but was able to get AR-15s with no issue.

It must be the laziest terror attack in history I guess, since that's what the FBI is calling it.

[mehyaM24]

I have no idea how seemingly normal people become radical Muslim terrorists. I just know it's happening at a very high rate.

so if the overwhelming majority of muslims in america aren't terrorists - and that's an understatement - then how could it be the religion?

wouldn't the koran in-turn make these people radical?

help me understand. thanks in advance.

[oarabbus]

so if the overwhelming majority of muslims in america aren't terrorists - and that's an understatement - then how could it be the religion?

wouldn't the koran in-turn make these people radical?

help me understand. thanks in advance.

I mean... there are several thousands of KKK members out there... the overwhelming majority of them aren't terrorists, murderers, or criminals...

[UK2K]

so if the overwhelming majority of muslims in america aren't terrorists - and that's an understatement - then how could it be the religion?

wouldn't the koran in-turn make these people radical?

help me understand. thanks in advance.

The same way the overwhelming majority of gun owners don't use the guns in a violent manner, how can it be the gun?

Wouldn't the gun in turn make these people violent?

[Mr Feeny]

Think with your human brain and not with your d*ck dude. I know Muslim people that are quiet law abiding citizens and practice their religion, raise their families and don't bother anyone. Why aren't they violently according to the same religious text?



You don't seem to be feverishly invested when we have our own citizens attacking on our own soil. Or in some cases attacking our own soil and then we find it was prompted by some religious Christian ideology


Face it dude. You view them differently because they are Muslim and different and your head can't process it correctlyI don't always agree with horror but I do here. A really sensible post. What a putrid post by Nic Young, again. There are a ton of Muslims around me here as well. Every one of them recites his text and prays quietly while going on with life. I haven't seen any sign of anger, violence, or vitriol from any. You'd think they'd be out there murdering everyone according to NYoung.
He and I have talked before. I've covered Islamic history extensively in college (as have many of us on here) and Nick Young does seem to have a grasp the basic tenets of Islam. He's made more mistakes than I cared to list. He didn't understand the difference been the Quran (their holy book) and hadtih until I and an ISH muslim (imdaman99) taught him the difference.

He then proceeded to back up one asinine claim after the next by quoting Wikipedia. At that point you jut start laughing and do away with any discussion.

Solid post by ohthehorror and im glad there's atleast one other person here who thinks like me. We have big issues. They don't start of stop with Islam.

[Mr Feeny]

The same way the overwhelming majority of gun owners don't use the guns in a violent manner, how can it be the gun?

Wouldn't the gun in turn make these people violent?Oh boy.

[Mr Feeny]

What religion do the radicals and zealots belong to? What book are they gaining inspiration from? Where did the radicals and zealots get their ideology from?



Do you know anything at all about the history of Mohammad, the creator of Islam? Do you know anything about what's actually written in the Koran? :confusedshrug:

Tbf you don't know anything about the history of a Islam or Mohammad so I'm not sure why you're sardonically mocking that poster.
I educated you abou Mohammed in the past. You showed me that you no nothing at all and the only knowledge you have comes from Wikipedia.

[UK2K]

Oh boy.
Simply asking the same stupid, strawman question he was.

[Mr Feeny]

so if the overwhelming majority of muslims in america aren't terrorists - and that's an understatement - then how could it be the religion?

wouldn't the koran in-turn make these people radical?

help me understand. thanks in advance.

It's simple. You actually use your brain. 90% of this board don't. You've got it nailed on. Don't waste your time trying to reason with uneducated bigots.

[imdaman99]

so if the overwhelming majority of muslims in america aren't terrorists - and that's an understatement - then how could it be the religion?

wouldn't the koran in-turn make these people radical?

help me understand. thanks in advance.
Don't waste your time. He is convinced all real Muslims have to be violent extremists, he has more time than you so I wouldn't bother. Apparently Islam says to kill, and since only 0.0001% are doing that, the rest are not following properly. Some ppl just want attention :oldlol:

[DeuceWallaces]

From what I read, the shooters attempted to cover up their digital trail. Experts are working now to recover date from their computers.

My guess is, if she legitimately did pledge allegiance to ISIS (and I am assuming she did, because you would need some hard evidence to release that sort of information), then higher ups at ISIS most definitely knew they had a.... I guess 'operative' you could call it... here in the states.

Its already been released they used ISIS style tactics when the attack was carried out. What those were, I don't know.

I don't believe its like a Costco membership where you just go whenever you want. I would think if you're crazy enough to pledge allegiance to ISIS, you are probably going to take orders from them as well.

We shall see.

There's no evidence that's true and ISIS themselves claimed they were only supporters, not fighters. Law enforcement is saying the same things. Lastly, posting ISIS support on Facebook is not a good way to cover your digital trail.

[DeuceWallaces]

So we are to give up our right to bear arms in an effort to make it 'harder' for terrorists to get a firearm?

Yeah, that and the other thousands of people who die senselessly from gun violence every year.

If the murder of 20 school children didn't enact sensible gun laws in this country then I give up. There's no hope convincing morons like yourself that moderate gun control is a good idea, when they're answer is to arm the teachers. This isn't even a ban on guns. No one is even suggesting it. Just some common sense rules referencing the ability to acquire and keep a gun, and what type of gun you can acquire.

It's a hopeless situation in this country.

[Nick Young]

so if the overwhelming majority of muslims in america aren't terrorists - and that's an understatement - then how could it be the religion?

wouldn't the koran in-turn make these people radical?

help me understand. thanks in advance.
What do all of these terrorists have in common?

They are fanatical Muslims.

Their actions were all directly inspired by Mohammad's actions and instructions, that he wrote about in the Koran.

Use your brain.

[Nick Young]

Don't waste your time. He is convinced all real Muslims have to be violent extremists, he has more time than you so I wouldn't bother. Apparently Islam says to kill, and since only 0.0001% are doing that, the rest are not following properly. Some ppl just want attention :oldlol:
Not true at all. I never said that. All of you people are attributing words to me that I never said. Stop using logical fallacies and deflection tactics.


Muslims who follow Islam peacefully and accept people and don't beat women are real Muslims.


At the same time, Islamic terrorist groups like ISIS are real Muslims. You can't say "They aren't real Muslims" when they are doing the same exact shit Mohammad did and following his instructions.

[Nick Young]

So many people justifying Islamic terrorism with the "NOT ALL MUSLIMS DOE" fallacy.


Guess what, not all Christians took part in the Crusades, that doesn't mean that the Crusades weren't a violent military campaign directly inspired by religion.

No, not all Christians took part in the Crusades. Not all Christians supported the Crusades. Many Christians were victims of the crusades, IE the Byzantines and the children in the children crusade.


That doesn't change the fact that the Crusades were a series of violent military campaigns inspired by Christianity, fulfilled by Christian zealots.


This series of Islamic terrorist attacks is the exact same shit.


TL;DR (for the retards in the audience)

No, not all Muslims are bloodthirsty psychos. That doesn't change the fact that the Koran and the ideology in the Hadiths is the foundation of the beliefs of all these crazy terrorists all over the world, from ISIS, to Boko Haram, to Al Quaeda, to the nutcases in San Bernadino.


You are denying reality if you try to claim these are "outliers."


Mohammad, the creator of Islam, was a bloodthirsty warmonger, who committed acts of genocide and killed thousands in the name of spreading his religion. This is an undeniable fact, and is even written in the Koran. It actually happened. Mohammad's conquest of the Arab peninsula was not a fairy story with zero evidence to back it up.It actually happened.

It should come as no surprise to you that a religion created by a violent and bloodthirsty warmonger is inspiring so much violence.

[~primetime~]

I'm all for making it more difficult to obtain a gun. I even made a thread not long ago declaring that those with diagnosed mental illnesses should not be able to purchase guns (common sense you would think)

Some of you just come off as though you want to scratch off the 2nd Amendment all together.

[Draz]

What you think would be common sense truly doesn't make sense. This country is backwards.

[oh the horror]

What you think would be common sense truly doesn't make sense. This country is backwards.




Thanks Confucious.

[longtime lurker]

The Christian right is thanking God that these Muslim terrorists committed this act or else we'd be talking about the Colorado Springs terrorist the rest of the week. What's even more fvcked up that no one seems to process is that there were 3 mass shootings within one week, two on the same day! It's as if Americans refuse to wake up and see that this doesn't happen in any other developed countries.

[Nick Young]

The Christian right is thanking God that these Muslim terrorists committed this act or else we'd be talking about the Colorado Springs terrorist the rest of the week. What's even more fvcked up that no one seems to process is that there were 3 mass shootings within one week, two on the same day! It's as if Americans refuse to wake up and see that this doesn't happen in any other developed countries.
The only people thanking god this attack happened are ISIS and ISIS sympathizers, you psychotic ****.:facepalm

[longtime lurker]

The only people thanking god this attack happened are ISIS and ISIS sympathizers, you psychotic ****.:facepalm

Yeah somehow I doubt that. The right wing lunatics love that this shit happened with Muslims. News flash, the right doesn't actually give a damn about protecting life. And if anyone's a proven psycho its you with your crazy obsession with Islam.

[Nick Young]

Yeah somehow I doubt that. The right wing lunatics love that this shit happened with Muslims. News flash, the right doesn't actually give a damn about protecting life. And if anyone's a proven psycho its you with your crazy obsession with Islam.
No one loves that this shit happened at all you nutcase.


Only ISIS supporters and ISIS sympathizers.

No one wants innocent people in San Bernadino to get shot up in the name of Islam. The people of San Bernadino have it bad enough without ISIS hitting them. It is cowardly and shitty of these terrorists to attack the people of one of our poorest cities like this.


Yes, I am the one with the "crazy obsession with Islam". I am the psycho here.

Not ISIS, not terrorists.

Myself and "right wing lunatatics" who speak out against Islamic terrorism are the real problems here.


Do you know what Newspeak is? You are proving yourself to be quite fluent.

[mehyaM24]

The same way the overwhelming majority of gun owners don't use the guns in a violent manner, how can it be the gun?

Wouldn't the gun in turn make these people violent?

but i would agree with that.

:confusedshrug:


What do all of these terrorists have in common?

They are fanatical Muslims.

Their actions were all directly inspired by Mohammad's actions and instructions, that he wrote about in the Koran.

Use your brain.

the same thing in common with non-muslim terrorists - they're batshit insane.

there's a reason 99% of muslim americans (i am being generous) aren't fanatical murderers wanting to cause terror - given this absolute fact, the religious aspect therefor becomes irrelevant.

i have faith this will marinate in your skull.

[HitandRun Reggie]

It's easy to spot the real life bad guys in this thread. Your know the ones apologizing for the terrorists and downplaying their actions while attacking The Constitution at the same time.

:coleman:

[Nick Young]

but i would agree with that.

:confusedshrug:



the same thing in common with non-muslim terrorists - they're batshit insane.

there's a reason 99% of muslim americans (i am being generous) aren't fanatical murderers wanting to cause terror - given this absolute fact, the religious aspect therefor becomes irrelevant.

i have faith this will marinate in your skull.
Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/concerns-about-islamic-extremism-on-the-rise-in-middle-east/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States (66% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

The Sun (2015: Following Nov. 2015 attacks in Paris, 1 in 4 young Muslims in Britain (and 1 in 5 overall) said they sympathize with those who fight for ISIS.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6758207/1-in-5-British-Muslims-have-sympathy-for-jihadis-in-poll.html

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the "global Jihad (64% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

Pew Research (2007): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (27% can’t make up their minds). Only 58% reject al-Qaeda outright.
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (14% can’t make up their minds).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/

Pew Research (2011): 1 in 10 native-born Muslim-Americans have a favorable view of al-Qaeda.
http://people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/

ICM Poll: 13% of Muslim in Britain support al-Qaeda attacks on America.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/guardian-muslims-march-2004.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

al-Arabiya: 36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/10/166274.html

Gallup: 38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2008/05/that-tiny-percentage-of-radical-muslims.html
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC06.php?CID=1154


Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
http://cnsnews.com/node/53865 (Pew Global Attitudes Project September, 2009)


Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf

Motivaction Survey (2014): 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers. Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/11/young-dutch-turks-radical-views-worry-mps-call-for-more-research.php/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 24% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified against those who "offend Islam" (60% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 29% of Muslim-Americans agree that violence against those who insult Muhammad or the Quran is acceptable (61% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

Pew Research (2011): 21% of Muslim-Americans say there is a fair to great amount of support for Islamic extremism in their community.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/section-6-terrorism-concerns-about-extremism-foreign-policy/


Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60


Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/





THANK GOD for the 81% of American Muslims who say suicide bombings are never justified. I hope these are the guys who win out.

[brownboyfly]

Weak minded b!tch

[mehyaM24]

ah. more polls with "statistics". i have a few myself, but that would be me deflecting from the conversation at hand.

please respond accordingly. thanks! :cheers:

[LJJ]

the same thing in common with non-muslim terrorists - they're batshit insane.

there's a reason 99% of muslim americans (i am being generous) aren't fanatical murderers wanting to cause terror - given this absolute fact, the religious aspect therefor becomes irrelevant.

i have faith this will marinate in your skull.

You would be surprised how many of those 99.999% of American Muslims who aren't terrorists do have fanatical ideas and do to some extent sympathize or agree with the religious tenets these terrorists follow.

It's a sliding scale. Only a few fall off completely (but that number does seem to be growing and increasing), but there are many more who are somewhere on the scale of religious extremism. This is simply a big problem in the Islamic religion.

[Nick Young]

ah. more polls with "statistics". i have a few myself, but that would be me deflecting from the conversation at hand.

please respond accordingly. thanks! :cheers:
Statistics and opinion polls are "deflecting"?

What's with all the Newspeak bro?

Stop justifying Islamic terror.

[oarabbus]

http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

This is the only one I took a look at...


. If shariah conflicts with the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, which law should be
considered supreme?
43% THE U.S. CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS
33% SHARIAH


10. “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.”
51% TOTAL AGREE (NET)
23% STRONGLY AGREE
28% SOMEWHAT AGREE
32% TOTAL DISAGREE (NET)
13% SOMEWHAT DISAGREE
19% STRONGLY DISAGREE


. “I believe that violence against those that insult the prophet Muhammad, the Qur’an, or Islamic
faith is sometimes acceptable.”
29% TOTAL AGREE (NET)
16% STRONGLY AGREE
13% SOMEWHAT AGREE


13. “Violence against Americans here in the United States can be justified as part of the global jihad.”
25% TOTAL AGREE (NET)
13% STRONGLY AGREE
12% SOMEWHAT AGREE


7. Do you think the use of violence in the United States is justified in order to make shariah the law
of the land in this country?
19% YES
66% NO
11% DON’T KNOW
4% NO ANSWER


Do you believe that it is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by,
for example, portraying the prophet Mohammed?
24% YES
60% NO



WHAT. THE. F.UCK!?!?!?! :biggums:


WTF?!

[BasedTom]

in my local news (on the opposite side of the country mind you) they had access to the inside of their house. Has anyone else seen it?

[Raymone]

in my local news (on the opposite side of the country mind you) they had access to the inside of their house. Has anyone else seen it?
Yeah, it was packed with reporters crammed in and basically standing shoulder to shoulder.

[Raymone]

Oh wow, a whole 500k people!!!!!!! :rolleyes:
Seems like a lot of people to me. I'm not comfortable with that percentage. I'd say it's above the threshold for being just crazy extremist outliers.

[Nanners]

46% of republicans do not think that attacks on abortion clinics are terrorism

28% of republicans do not think these attacks should be investigated by the FBI

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4314235/NationalSurveyResults_1__1__2_.0.pdf

[Riley Martin]

Evidence is pointing to the wife not only sympathizing with ISIS, but possibly being trained and sent to the U.S. via arranged marriage with a suitable Muslim-American. This was clearly took a considerable amount of planning. They were married sometime last year. She was here on some sort of marriage/fiancee visa.

[longtime lurker]

No one loves that this shit happened at all you nutcase.


Only ISIS supporters and ISIS sympathizers.

No one wants innocent people in San Bernadino to get shot up in the name of Islam. The people of San Bernadino have it bad enough without ISIS hitting them. It is cowardly and shitty of these terrorists to attack the people of one of our poorest cities like this.


Yes, I am the one with the "crazy obsession with Islam". I am the psycho here.

Not ISIS, not terrorists.

Myself and "right wing lunatatics" who speak out against Islamic terrorism are the real problems here.


Do you know what Newspeak is? You are proving yourself to be quite fluent.

Straw man after straw man after straw man. Your obsession with Muslims and Islam is getting downright pathological. Maybe you should try speaking with other human beings instead of trolling on ISH 24/7.

[BGriffin's Dad]

500 k out of 322 million... Not even 1/5th of 1% of the population.

your math is off bro

[Nick Young]

Oh wow, a whole 500k people!!!!!!! :rolleyes:
Good job justifying and deflecting:facepalm

[ThePhantomCreep]

Myself and "right wing lunatatics" who speak out against Islamic terrorism are the real problems here.

As we speak, right-wing lunatics like you have Donald Trump--a moron spewing fascist policies--at the top of the GOP polls. So yeah, you're part of the problem.

As soon as you found out the shooters were Muslim, you couldn't run to computer fast enough to spew your anti-Islam rhetoric. You don't speak out against Islamic extremism, you speak out against the entire religion and its practitioners. Don't play dumb.

Instead of whining over and over about how bad Islam is, give us your solution for combating Islamic extremism? Nuclear holocaust? Boots on the ground? Internment camps? Let's hear it already.

[Nick Young]

Evidence is pointing to the wife not only sympathizing with ISIS, but possibly being trained and sent to the U.S. via arranged marriage with a suitable Muslim-American. This was clearly took a considerable amount of planning. They were married sometime last year. She was here on some sort of marriage/fiancee visa.
AKA a sleeper agent.

[Raymone]

CNN just released a photo of the wife.

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_tashfeen_malik_float_jc_151204_12x5_1600.jpg

[Nick Young]

As we speak, right-wing lunatics like you have Donald Trump--a moron spewing fascist policies--at the top of the GOP polls. So yeah, you're part of the problem.

As soon as you found out the shooters were Muslim, you couldn't run to computer fast enough to spew your anti-Islam rhetoric. You don't speak out against Islamic extremism, you speak out against the entire religion and its practitioners. Don't play dumb.

Instead of whining over and over about how bad Islam is, give us your solution for combating Islamic extremism? Nuclear holocaust? Boots on the ground? Internment camps? Let's hear it already.
I don't know the solution. It was only 40-50 years ago that all of these fundamentalist nutcase nations like Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt and Iran were pretty progressive, and the people were happy and free. I don't know how to return to those times, it seems like the people as a majority want this violent fundamentalism, rather than peace and freedom that they had in the relatively recent past.

[mehyaM24]

we're not talking about sympathizers and strange fanatical cucks though. i simply don't understand how the koran hasn't made 99.99% of american muslims "terrorists"? i mean, the book tells these people to commit said atrocities. right?

[Nick Young]

we're not talking about sympathizers and strange fanatical cucks though. i simply don't understand how the koran hasn't made 99.99% of american muslims "terrorists"? i mean, the book tells these people to commit said atrocities. right?
The Newspeak and deflection tactics continue. Keep on keep on with your logical fallacies brah. No one buys your shit.


Also, the NSA knows what you do online.

All of these sites you've been to are on the NSA's official records.

Be wary.

#thankyoupatriotact

[Riley Martin]

I mean if it were a lone wolf attack, why would you smash your cellphones and try to destroy evidence? You'd do that if you were trying to hide involvement of a larger network or affiliation.

[DonDadda59]

Bunch of hysterical grandmothers ITT.

[mehyaM24]

The Newspeak and deflection tactics continue. Keep on keep on with your logical fallacies brah. No one buys your shit.


Also, the NSA knows what you do online.

All of these sites you've been to are on the NSA's official records.

Be wary.

#thankyoupatriotact

so far, you've listed random polls and websites with "statistics" that adhere to islam sympathy.

you haven't told us why 99.99% of muslims in america aren't terrorists though.

we'll be waiting for you. :cheers:

[Nick Young]

so far, you've listed random polls and websites with "statistics" that adhere to islam sympathy.

you haven't told us why 99.99% of muslims in america aren't terrorists though.

we'll be waiting for you. :cheers:
I never made that claim, so why should I have to prove it? Stop with your straw man arguments and deflection tactics. Why is your entire argument and position reliant on logical fallacy?

If you wish to ignore research and opinion polls, that is up to you.:cheers:

[mehyaM24]

I never made that claim, so why should I have to prove it? Stop with your straw man arguments and deflection tactics. Why is your entire argument and position reliant on logical fallacy?

If you wish to ignore research and opinion polls, that is up to you.:cheers:

but, nobody said if you made that claim.

again: if 99.99% of muslims in america aren't terrorists, how could it be the religion?

please answer without deflecting and quoting passages in the koran (passages 99.99% of muslims in america don't equate with mass murder).

[Raymone]

Tony Blair is on CNN right now making a lot of sense. It's not a small group of fanatics who subscribe to this Islamic extremism. It's a significant global minority.

[BGriffin's Dad]

How?

500k divided by 322 million is a lot larger than 1%

[DonDadda59]

Tony Blair is on CNN right now making a lot of sense. It's not a small group of fanatics who subscribe to this Islamic extremism. It's a significant global minority.

Tony Blair is a fool who was a lap dog for Bush. He was part of the wild goose chase for 'weapons of mass destruction' that led to the creation of ISIS and the destabilization of the Middle East.

He owes his countrymen an apology for deceiving them.

[BasedTom]

Oh wow, a whole 500k people!!!!!!! :rolleyes:
2 people can shoot up a building
1 person can make a bomb

and you're shrugging off 500 000 like it's absolutely nothing? like we should just not address it at all?

[BasedTom]

500,000 is a very small percentage of 322,000,000 people. And those are just people ticking a box, not people that will actually do something. How many people on this site talk shit and would never even make eye contact with each other in real life?

The only way to be 100% sure a human will never kill another human again is if no humans exist.

Address this by doing something about the availability of guns, mental health care, screening procedures, and security.

Just hating a religion, race, or group of people doesn't solve the problem.
Yes, we understand this. But it's still a fck huge population- an entire city or small country.

The fact that so many people would even joke or just make empty threats about such a thing (and how many do we really think that is) points to a deeper problem in society.

[NumberSix]

500,000 is a very small percentage of 322,000,000 people. And those are just people ticking a box, not people that will actually do something. How many people on this site talk shit and would never even make eye contact with each other in real life?

The only way to be 100% sure a human will never kill another human again is if no humans exist.

Address this by doing something about the availability of guns, mental health care, screening procedures, and security.

Just hating a religion, race, or group of people doesn't solve the problem.
So, if half a million people were Dylan Roof supporters, you would totally brush that off like "meh, no big deal"?

Just for some perspective, people like you endlessly rant about "abortion clinic bombings" as if that's even a thing. You know how many people have been killed in abortion clinic bombings? 8. No, that's not a typo. You didn't read that wrong. 8. This San Bernadino attack killed more people than the entire history of abortion clinic bombings.

I just get a little tired of the constant parade of people who pretend like we're in constant danger of abortion clinic bombings, KKK attacks, Christian terrorism (whatever that is) or racist whites but simultaneously do everything they can to downplay Islamic terrorism or make ridiculous attempts to make false equivalences like its religion in general.

[Nick Young]

Tony Blair is on CNN right now making a lot of sense. It's not a small group of fanatics who subscribe to this Islamic extremism. It's a significant global minority.
Based Tony dropping the same knowledge his father Winston Churchill dropped back in the day.

UK knows what's up.

[Dresta]

Tony Blair is a fool who was a lap dog for Bush. He was part of the wild goose chase for 'weapons of mass destruction' that led to the creation of ISIS and the destabilization of the Middle East.

He owes his countrymen an apology for deceiving them.
Relevance? None of that has anything to do with what he was saying, and the guy wasn't asking for a history lesson about that piece of shit Anthony Blair (who was bred and raised in the schools of eurocommunism, and actually had his eye on the removal of Saddam, and other democracy-spreading projects (it was him that convinced the Americans to get involved over Kosovo), LONG before George Bush did - calling him Bush's lap-dog is stupid and inaccurate, and it's not like i don't despise Tony Blair. His domestic policy, if it can be believed, was even worse than his foreign policy. He made UK politics all about spin-doctors and pr and central party control & discipline.

[Dresta]

As we speak, right-wing lunatics like you have Donald Trump--a moron spewing fascist policies--at the top of the GOP polls. So yeah, you're part of the problem.

As soon as you found out the shooters were Muslim, you couldn't run to computer fast enough to spew your anti-Islam rhetoric. You don't speak out against Islamic extremism, you speak out against the entire religion and its practitioners. Don't play dumb.

Instead of whining over and over about how bad Islam is, give us your solution for combating Islamic extremism? Nuclear holocaust? Boots on the ground? Internment camps? Let's hear it already.Stop with the 'fascist' accusations, because you clearly know nothing about the subject of fascism, or you wouldn't use the word in the exact way that long ago rendered it meaningless (simply applying it to people you don't like so as to stifle free discussion). George Orwell in his famous essay Politics and the English Language, wrote, in 1946 that:

[QUOTE]The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies

[ShaqTwizzle]

As we speak, right-wing lunatics like you have Donald Trump--a moron spewing fascist policies--at the top of the GOP polls. So yeah, you're part of the problem.


Trump has said some stupid shit but what is really so bad about him?

Our immigration policies have been terrible for decades and clearly don't benefit the native America citizens (though they do benefit rich corporations).

The fact that he wants better immigration control seems like a good thing if anything.
People also distort his words so they can call him a racist or whatever which is typical of the media and liberals but... whatever.


You don't speak out against Islamic extremism, you speak out against the entire religion and its practitioners.


I would never call all Muslims "bad" because I know many who aren't and I have had Muslim friends.

However I think objectively speaking if one would read the Quran which is the basis of the Islamic ideology without the pretense of knowing it is a "religion" they would come away being shocked.
It is truly a backwards and evil ideology that espouses many terrible ideas and ways of living/acting.
I have no issue with anyone fighting against certain dominant sects of the Islamic religion because they are objectively bad and harmful.
Muslims who can disregard the many, many bad parts and just use the religion as a personal spiritual thing as most Christians do (who just celebrate Christmas, try to be good morally and maybe read a few of the nicer/kinder quotes from the bible) are fine I guess but then according to their own religious texts they aren't even Muslims. So why cling to it?

But the problem is many Muslims even in the West seem to really define themselves by their religion.
Even many who seem moderate and don't outwardly commit violence or terrorism still believe in the words of the Quran, still look down on non-Muslims and still silently support those who commit violence or bad acts based on its doctrine.

I believe the moderate Muslims are a minority more then a majority.

Imagine if you had a group of people in your country following a "new religion" that said all Black people should be killed and other horrible shit.
Imagine if the group maintained and spread itself in your country but only rarely attacked Black people but the more it grew the more these attacks occurred.
Imagine if the "religion" defended itself saying that most of its believers didn't believe in the bad parts and are peaceful or they just flatout lied and said that the religion doesn't support those bad things (ignoring the words themselves and the actions of Muslims throughout history).
Wouldn't you still be worried about it?

And I mean even if what they were saying was true how could you excuse someone from following a "religion" that says all Black people should be killed?
How can you excuse someone from being a Muslims and supposedly following or believing the words of the Quran when you know of all the terrible stuff it tells its followers to do and all the horrible evil ideas it plainly supports and espouses?

That is how many Americans feel when they see highly insular Muslim communities growing in their country and seeing that as they grow they demand more and more, they try to gain more power and twist laws to support their ideology.
These groups certainly don't give off the vibe that they wish for integration and peaceful/private belief.
They quite strongly through their words and actions give off the vibe that they wish for more control. That they wish for their ideology to be the one in control of the country.
How could any freedom loving American be comfortable with that?

In general I just think the Islamic ideology is a horrible one.
I truly believe it has zero connection to god and is the bully cult of an old Arab warrior.
There is little reason to support its continuing existence.

I mean this is a bad example but do you really think God the creator of our universe would tell people that if they get killed in his name to spread a faith that he'll give them 99 virgin poosies?
C'mon now. That sounds like human thinking. Horny human thinking.

Muslims are not bad people.
They are just brainwashed either by the society they grew up in (if they grew up in a Muslim country) or by their parents.
I pity them. I never hate them.

[ShaqTwizzle]

Oh and when a Muslim tells me that he doesn't follow or believe in all the bad stuff the Quran says... then I ask him, why are you a Muslim?

According to your own religious book you cannot be a Muslim if you don't follow all that shit.

Those "good Muslims" need to start a new Islamic religion and possibly rename it because saying you're a Muslim while ignoring or disobeying large sections of the Quran doesn't make much sense to me.

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Just wanted to add that I mean no offense to any Muslim ISH'ers that might read this.
If you guys are good ones who believe in equal treatment for women/gays and believe in free speech/expression, seperation of religion/state and all the good cultural stuff the West has produced and stood/still partially stands for then you're A-OK in my book.
I know many, many good Muslims exist and I have nothing at all against them.

I will also add that if you think my views are ignorant that is fine.
People see things differently.
I am not right about everything and I would never mistreat a Muslim person nor even look down on one unless I knew he truly believed in the bad parts of the ideology and thus was unavoidably an enemy of my culture, my country and myself.

[NumberSix]

Oh and when a Muslim tells me that he doesn't follow or believe in all the bad stuff the Quran says... then I ask him, why are you a Muslim?

According to your own religious book you cannot be a Muslim if you don't follow all that shit.
That's not true. The Quran actually explicitly says that not all Muslims have to participate in Jihad.

[ShaqTwizzle]

That's not true. The Quran actually explicitly says that not all Muslims have to participate in Jihad.

You're defending it?
I thought you were against it.

Anyway.
Yes I believe you might be partially correct on that.
Though Jihad is only one bad thing it espouses out of countless others and on many of the other things there are no quotes that say its potentially ok to avoid them/not do them.

The Quran also says that those who do participate in Jihad will be granted a higher grade and are considered better Muslims.
It basically talks alot of shit about those who sit back and don't actively fight.

It also says that fighting is prescribed for believers and that it is good for you.

There are also a ton of other quotes that really strongly contradict the "well I guess its ok if you sit back and don't fight but you'll be considered a low grade shitty Muslim" so I don't know how much value I give it.

So many quotes that support violence, mistreatment, unacceptence and action against non-believers and so few that say its ok to not do so (and in a way that scolds the person).

Seriously though. Why defend such an obviously evil ideology?

The fact that the book explicitly supports and promotes those horrific things is still a horrible thing that shouldn't be ignored or accepted as "ok" even if it has one quote saying you won't be a complete infidel if you avoid one of the most extreme things.
That is just sideways/silly thinking used to make something bad seem acceptable.

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[NumberSix]

You're defending it?
I thought you were against it.

Anyway.
Yes I believe you might be partially correct on that.
Though Jihad is only one bad thing it espouses out of countless others and on many of the other things there are no quotes that say its potentially ok to avoid them/not do them.

The Quran also says that those who do participate in Jihad will be granted a higher grade and are considered better Muslims.
It basically talks alot of shit about those who sit back and don't actively fight.

It also says that fighting is prescribed for believers and that it is good for you.

There are also a ton of other quotes that really strongly contradict the "well I guess its ok if you sit back and don't fight but you'll be considered a low grade shitty Muslim" so I don't know how much value I give it.

So many quotes that support violence, mistreatment, unacceptence and action against non-believers and so few that say its ok to not do so (and in a way that scolds the person).

Seriously though. Why defend such an obviously evil ideology?

The fact that the book explicitly supports those bad things is still a horrible thing that shouldn't be ignored or accepted as "ok" even if it has one quote saying you won't be a complete infidel if you avoid them.

:no:
What's true is true. It's not a matter of defending. It's just a fact that the Quran does say that's it's perfectly fine for a Muslim to go through their life without ever participating in jihad. Am I supposed to pretend that I don't know that's true?

The truth is the truth. Whatever "side" it comes out on.

[ShaqTwizzle]

What's true is true. It's not a matter of defending. It's just a fact that the Quran does say that's it's perfectly for a Muslim to go through their life without ever participating in jihad. Am I supposed to pretend that I don't know that's true?

That is fine, though Islam has enough people apologizing for it and telling lies in its defense.
I wish for the entire ideology to go away not only for the safety of the West but for the well being of all the human beings around the world who suffer unneeded oppression under it.
Its an unhealthy remnant of the past and nothing more.

[tomtucker]

Oh and when a Muslim tells me that he doesn't follow or believe in all the bad stuff the Quran says... then I ask him, why are you a Muslim?

According to your own religious book you cannot be a Muslim if you don't follow all that shit.

Those "good Muslims" need to start a new Islamic religion and possibly rename it because saying you're a Muslim while ignoring or disobeying large sections of the Quran doesn't make much sense to me.

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Just wanted to add that I mean no offense to any Muslim ISH'ers that might read this.
If you guys are good ones who believe in equal treatment for women/gays and believe in free speech/expression, seperation of religion/state and all the good cultural stuff the West has produced and stood/still partially stands for then you're A-OK in my book.
I know many, many good Muslims exist and I have nothing at all against them.

I will also add that if you think my views are ignorant that is fine.
People see things differently.
I am not right about everything and I would never mistreat a Muslim person nor even look down on one unless I knew he truly believed in the bad parts of the ideology and thus was unavoidably an enemy of my culture, my country and myself.


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