Bosh on Kobe: 'The greatest player of my generation"

[konex]

The media keeps telling me Bron and Duncan > Kobe but everyone who played against all of them says Kobe was the best :hammerhead:

[DrakeTheSnake]

Because even players stan scoring over fundamentals.

[Captvic]

Smart Player in Bosh.

[Fire Colangelo]

And when LeBron retires, everybody will be like "He was the greatest player of my generation".

Who cares?

They're just showing respect to one of the greatest to play the game, even if Bosh thought LeBron > Kobe, you think he's gonna be like "Kobe is great, but LeBron is better"? Maybe on ISH, but nobody does that shit in real life lol.

[JerrySeinfeld]

And when LeBron retires, everybody will be like "He was the greatest player of my generation".

Doubt it. Outside his small clique of player friends, it seems like he's not really respected around the league the way Kobe was.

[Draz]

Lebron is already forgettable as is. His stats reflect a legend and memorable athlete by statistical measures and accomplishments. Although the players are aging and younger players are coming into the league with lebron being their favorite player, it'll more than likely have the same mirror.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Bosh forgot to check WS, PER, and RAPM.

[feyki]

All 08-10 players would say this . Kobe was clearly best player at 08-10 . And he got some records with his 2006 and 2007 seasons .

[CurryOverLebron]

Here's the video of Bosh saying that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhPdtwmh318&t=9m33s

[bluechox2]

shots fired

didnt he say lebron was in his time when they played together...dumb ass has no credability

[Bankaii]

All 08-10 players would say this . Kobe was clearly best player at 08-10 . And he got some records with his 2006 and 2007 seasons .
If by clearly you mean that he has a strong case in 09-10 but Lebron was the better all-around player with more of an impact then I agree fully. I'll give you 08 but the rest is completely idiotic.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

If at least 10 players in the top 20 in the NBA at the time don't say this about Duncan when he retires, you can delete 3ball's account.

[fiddy]

Bosh forgot to check WS, PER, and RAPM.
advanced stats fаggpt alert

[dhsilv]

advanced stats fаggpt alert

Are you really that dumb?

[Wade's Rings]

Are you really that dumb?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[dhsilv]

Kobe is what people want basketball players to be. He's flashy and scores. He's a modern MJ only not good enough. MJ's style only works at that level if you're MJ.

Even nba players find Duncan boring...doesn't mean he wasn't better. Same with James (who is the most boring player ever).

[ShaqTwizzle]

He wasn't though.

1. Shaq
2. Duncan
3. Lebron / Bean (Bron will eventually have this spot for himself)

So he is 4th.
Could argue him as 2nd best if you consider Shaq & Lebron from earlier/later generations.

[stalkerforlife]

These tears taste so good.

:lol

[scandisk_]

Bron's gonna get his props, on the younger generation of players that is.

kobe takes 00-10 easy, throw in some Shaq/TD there too

[Wade's Rings]

He wasn't though.

1. Shaq
2. Duncan
3. Lebron / Bean (Bron will eventually have this spot for himself)

So he is 4th.
Could argue him as 2nd best if you consider Shaq & Lebron from earlier/later generations.

Shaq isn't Bosh's generation, a decade apart.

[dhsilv]

He wasn't though.

1. Shaq
2. Duncan
3. Lebron / Bean (Bron will eventually have this spot for himself)

So he is 4th.
Could argue him as 2nd best if you consider Shaq & Lebron from earlier/later generations.

Shaq is bosh's generation? I'm struggling with Bosh and Kobe being the same but Bosh and Shaq? Shaq was drafted like a decade before, and post jordan...i mean he played a lot of years with him.

I think shaq over duncan, lebron and kobe is a bit off but that's another topic.

[bluechox2]

kobe

[ShaqTwizzle]

Shaq is bosh's generation? I'm struggling with Bosh and Kobe being the same but Bosh and Shaq? Shaq was drafted like a decade before, and post jordan...i mean he played a lot of years with him.


Well that makes sense.
Bosh came around in 2004.
I suppose Kobe is a reasonable choice then (for him) though Lebron would also seem like a contender.
You'd think them being former teammates he would have given him a mention or showed him some love.

[dhsilv]

Well that makes sense.
Bosh came around in 2004.
I suppose Kobe is a reasonable choice then (for him) though Lebron would also seem like a contender (and was his teammate).

I recall kobe being asked about having a rival. He said he didn't really have one (tmac and carter didn't live up and/or injuries). he was asked about Wade who was the best 2 guard in his career and he said wade started too far after even though they were closer in age.

So really Bosh stating kobe was his generation. I think he's actually talking about him as a fan and not as a player which is a huge difference. Otherwise he's not really following the general methods people use. Generally 5 years give or take a year is about as much as people go.

[34-24 Footwork]

I recall kobe being asked about having a rival. He said he didn't really have one (tmac and carter didn't live up and/or injuries). he was asked about Wade who was the best 2 guard in his career and he said wade started too far after even though they were closer in age.

So really Bosh stating kobe was his generation. I think he's actually talking about him as a fan and not as a player which is a huge difference. Otherwise he's not really following the general methods people use. Generally 5 years give or take a year is about as much as people go.

The poster you're responding to is one of the few posters on here that REFUSES to give Kobe any credit. Lol. He was just in another thread saying that Dirk>>Kobe :lol

Pick your debates better.

[gilalizard]

They're not really the same generation, and we are obviously living in the Era of Timmy, but it is important that he admits Kobe is more important to the game than LeBaldo.

[ShaqTwizzle]

that REFUSES to give Kobe any credit.
Complete bull. I give him praise all the time.


He was just in another thread saying that Dirk>>Kobe :lol
No I wasn't and I have never said that. Link us to the post since it doesn't exist.
Liar. :facepalm

[Spurs5Rings2014]

we are obviously living in the Era of Timmy

We are all witnesses.

:bowdown:

[TonyMontana]

Shaq was drafted in 93. His best years may have a 20 as the first two numbers, probably even more of his better years were in the 90s.

Duncan and Dirk are the best, but they were never as flashy and marketable as high scoring guards were.

Guys like Iverson, Kobe will always have more appeal to the masses. Even if their not as good.

[JohnFreeman]

Well Bosh was getting schooled by Duncan in the finals so no wonder he doesn't say him

[Anaximandro1]

some of these players need to STFU ... it's getting embarrassing at this point

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kgIA_qaeBw4/VmF7hj0aMTI/AAAAAAAAE_8/Eo6kGcH91eI/s1600/145.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jUk3nEJ.jpg


NBA GMs only care about Duncan, Shaq and LeBron
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-e_c5WCRMcNw/VkVPvb9tfmI/AAAAAAAAE5M/MEWddAHYsNY/s1600/1.jpg)

Fans are starting to realize the difference between Duncan and Kobe (should be 95% vs 5%) (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/14264125/who-was-better-kobe-bryant-tim-duncan)

U.S. (Votes 19,074) --- Duncan 61% vs Kobe 39%
Internat (Votes 7,386) --- Duncan 64% vs Kobe 36%




And if you care about what players think ...

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Names Tim Duncan As His Favorite Current Player (http://www.lakersnation.com/kareem-abdul-jabbar-names-tim-duncan-as-his-favorite-current-player/2014/06/06/)

Julius Erving: " Tim Duncan has been my favorite player since George Gervin retired" (http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com.es/2013/05/julius-erving-visits-inside-nba-set.html)

LeBron says Tim Duncan is most dominant player of last 15 years (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/22362572/lebron-james-says-tim-duncan-is-the-most-dominant-player-of-last-15-years)

Steve Kerr's Mt Rushmore: Jordan,Russell,Magic,Duncan (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/31/us/spurs-tim-duncan-profile/)

[STATUTORY]

And when LeBron retires, everybody will be like "He was the greatest player of my generation".

Who cares?

They're just showing respect to one of the greatest to play the game, even if Bosh thought LeBron > Kobe, you think he's gonna be like "Kobe is great, but LeBron is better"? Maybe on ISH, but nobody does that shit in real life lol.

Lebron is not respected by his peers around the league. let that sink in

[knicksman]

Steve Kerr's Mt Rushmore: Jordan,Russell,Magic,Duncan (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/31/us/spurs-tim-duncan-profile/)

Looks like we have the same mt rushmore. And 3 of them were winners because they are leaders. Leaders sacrifice stats to make teammates happy. While jordan needed a leader(phil) to win.

[tmacattack33]

All 08-10 players would say this . Kobe was clearly best player at 08-10 . And he got some records with his 2006 and 2007 seasons .

Nope. Lebron was better over those years. And Wade was better in 2009.

[bluechox2]

lebron proved him right tonight...

[TheImmortal]

I've always liked Bosh

[Beastmode88]

Well if u got 81 points dropped on you then yeah.. :roll:

[eliteballer]

:applause:

[Anaximandro1]

Players voting for Harden, after Curry led the Warriors to their first NBA championship since 1975, is proof that players are worse than fans

James Harden named MVP at NBPA's first annual Players Awards
(http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13298307/james-harden-named-mvp-nbpa-first-annual-players-awards)


there's a huge gap between Duncan and Kobe ... NBA GMs knew this 10 years ago (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-e_c5WCRMcNw/VkVPvb9tfmI/AAAAAAAAE5M/MEWddAHYsNY/s1600/1.jpg), and the media and fans are catching up (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/14264125/who-was-better-kobe-bryant-tim-duncan)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5WWJSA_emDI/VmK-CjaHR3I/AAAAAAAAFAQ/mSsND_Sdhz0/s1600/155.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NLWbZ7xJKGE/VKTWTkoRC0I/AAAAAAAADng/WRlvPCJ03yU/s1600/8.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dqCSLxOe2Wk/VOJiOfuQL3I/AAAAAAAAD0U/pCwTWXJg6G4/s1600/26.jpg



Don't forget intangibles and leadership
(http://espn.go.com/blog/san-antonio-spurs/post/_/id/201/lamarcus-aldridge-overcomes-slow-start-credits-tim-duncan)[QUOTE]LaMarcus Aldridge

[ShaqTwizzle]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dqCSLxOe2Wk/VOJiOfuQL3I/AAAAAAAAD0U/pCwTWXJg6G4/s1600/26.jpg


Why did you use 99-07 for Shaq?
His best 9 year stretch would be 95-03.
His career started much earlier then the others on the list.

Perhaps you needed the years to line up but if not I don't understand why you did it that way.

[dhsilv]

The poster you're responding to is one of the few posters on here that REFUSES to give Kobe any credit. Lol. He was just in another thread saying that Dirk>>Kobe :lol

Pick your debates better.

I was offering insight into the "generation" discussion. Not a debate. As for Kobe vs Dirk, depending on how you value players, those two are pretty close. I hardly consider something crazy if they'd for example want to build a team around dirk instead of kobe.

[dhsilv]

Why did you use 99-07 for Shaq?
His best 9 year stretch would be 95-03.
His career started much earlier then the others on the list.

Perhaps you needed the years to line up but if not I don't understand why you did it that way.

I was thinking the same thing, but if we're talking about the generation bs for bosh I guess it's a bit more fair just to line things up. I didn't read that as a way to downgrade shaq.

Using your range for shaq

MP 5339 WS/48 .214 WS 23.8 PER 28.9 box plus mins 6.8 offensive bpm 4 defensive bpm 4.2

other than per duncan still has a small edge here, but I think we all expected that.

[feyki]

If by clearly you mean that he has a strong case in 09-10 but Lebron was the better all-around player with more of an impact then I agree fully. I'll give you 08 but the rest is completely idiotic.


Nope. Lebron was better over those years. And Wade was better in 2009.

I do rate Kobe and Lebron for their impacts against top 10 teams of the league ;

2008,

Kobe 8 - 34 pts ,5.5 rib , 6.5 ast , %59.5 TS , 1.5 stl , 1.5 blk , 3 to on 40 min against Nuggets

32.5 pts , 6.8 rib , 6.8 ast , 0.7 stl , 0.2 blk , 4 to , %63 TS on 40 min against Jazz


Lebron 6 - 24.5 pts , 7 rib , 7 ast , %48 TS , 2.1 stl , 1.3 blk , 5 to on 40 min against Celtics

2009 ,

Lebron 9.5

Kobe 9

2010 ,

Kobe 8

Lebron 7


Hooh , I'm tired . I haven't enough energy for this .

[Blue&Orange]

Because even players stan scoring over fundamentals.
Lebron is the least fundamental "superstar" in the history of the game.

Bullrushing isn't fundamental basketball, shooting 20% jumpers isn't fundamental basketball, stealing defensive rebounds from teammates and get less offensive rebounds than Bird on a broken back isn't fundamental basketball, randomly passing the ball to some random guy behind the 3pt line open or not and collect the assist isn't fundamental basketball.

That's why he is 2/6, he is just loser statpadder. That's why he is Robin and he needs Batman (Kyrie) to come back.

[dhsilv]

Lebron is the least fundamental "superstar" in the history of the game.

Bullrushing isn't fundamental basketball, shooting 20% jumpers isn't fundamental basketball, stealing defensive rebounds from teammates and get less offensive rebounds than Bird on a broken back isn't fundamental basketball, randomly passing the ball to some random guy behind the 3pt line open or not and collect the assist isn't fundamental basketball.

That's why he is 2/6, he is just loser statpadder. That's why he is Robin and he needs Batman (Kyrie) to come back.

umm....just just no. I really can't say anything other than just no.

[HenryGarfunkle]

Players voting for Harden, after Curry led the Warriors to their first NBA championship since 1975, is proof that players are worse than fans

James Harden named MVP at NBPA's first annual Players Awards
(http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13298307/james-harden-named-mvp-nbpa-first-annual-players-awards)


there's a huge gap between Duncan and Kobe ... NBA GMs knew this 10 years ago (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-e_c5WCRMcNw/VkVPvb9tfmI/AAAAAAAAE5M/MEWddAHYsNY/s1600/1.jpg), and the media and fans are catching up (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/14264125/who-was-better-kobe-bryant-tim-duncan)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5WWJSA_emDI/VmK-CjaHR3I/AAAAAAAAFAQ/mSsND_Sdhz0/s1600/155.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NLWbZ7xJKGE/VKTWTkoRC0I/AAAAAAAADng/WRlvPCJ03yU/s1600/8.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dqCSLxOe2Wk/VOJiOfuQL3I/AAAAAAAAD0U/pCwTWXJg6G4/s1600/26.jpg



Don't forget intangibles and leadership
(http://espn.go.com/blog/san-antonio-spurs/post/_/id/201/lamarcus-aldridge-overcomes-slow-start-credits-tim-duncan)
187!

[fiddy]

Players voting for Harden, after Curry led the Warriors to their first NBA championship since 1975, is proof that players are worse than fans

James Harden named MVP at NBPA's first annual Players Awards
(http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13298307/james-harden-named-mvp-nbpa-first-annual-players-awards)


there's a huge gap between Duncan and Kobe ... NBA GMs knew this 10 years ago (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-e_c5WCRMcNw/VkVPvb9tfmI/AAAAAAAAE5M/MEWddAHYsNY/s1600/1.jpg), and the media and fans are catching up (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/14264125/who-was-better-kobe-bryant-tim-duncan)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5WWJSA_emDI/VmK-CjaHR3I/AAAAAAAAFAQ/mSsND_Sdhz0/s1600/155.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NLWbZ7xJKGE/VKTWTkoRC0I/AAAAAAAADng/WRlvPCJ03yU/s1600/8.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dqCSLxOe2Wk/VOJiOfuQL3I/AAAAAAAAD0U/pCwTWXJg6G4/s1600/26.jpg



Don't forget intangibles and leadership
(http://espn.go.com/blog/san-antonio-spurs/post/_/id/201/lamarcus-aldridge-overcomes-slow-start-credits-tim-duncan)



Eye tests says Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duncan, go on waste your efforts

[ArbitraryWater]

I do rate Kobe and Lebron for their impacts against top 10 teams of the league ;

2008,

Kobe 8 - 34 pts ,5.5 rib , 6.5 ast , %59.5 TS , 1.5 stl , 1.5 blk , 3 to on 40 min against Nuggets

32.5 pts , 6.8 rib , 6.8 ast , 0.7 stl , 0.2 blk , 4 to , %63 TS on 40 min against Jazz


Lebron 6 - 24.5 pts , 7 rib , 7 ast , %48 TS , 2.1 stl , 1.3 blk , 5 to on 40 min against Celtics

2009 ,

Lebron 9.5

Kobe 9

2010 ,

Kobe 8

Lebron 7


Hooh , I'm tired . I haven't enough energy for this .

:oldlol:

you're right on 2008 though

[feyki]

:oldlol:

you're right on 2008 though

Okay , let's look at the 2010 ;

Kobe - 27.8 pts , 7.8 rib , 3.8 ast , 2 stl , 0.7 blk , 3.7 to , %53 TS on 40 min against Celtics .

Lebron - 25.2 pts , 8.8 rib , 6.8 ast , 2 stl , 1.2 blk , 4.2 to , %55.5 TS on 40 min against Celtics .

Lebron probably has 3-4 margin offensively on 100 poss .

And Kobe has 99 drtg , Lebron has 105 drtg at 100 poss .

It's close but Kobe was better . Kobe also played phenomenol Suns series at that playoffs .

[ArbitraryWater]

You look at suitable stats... Drtg individually is terrible, thats a team stat.

LeBron was just a much better player by 2010, really.

[feyki]

You look at suitable stats... Drtg individually is terrible, thats a team stat.

LeBron was just a much better player by 2010, really.

I used Dean Oliver "individual" defensive ratings , not play by play stats .

Defensive value can't calculate only with steals and blocks . That's harmony of the team defence(less allowed points per poss) , steals ( on ball and help defences) , blocks (rim protection ) .

[ArbitraryWater]

I used Dean Oliver "individual" defensive ratings , not play by play stats .

Defensive value can't calculate only with steals and blocks . That's harmony of the team defence(less allowed points per poss) , steals ( on ball and help defences) , blocks (rim protection ) .

I know, its just not suited to be an individual stat though.. way beyond stats and blocks, Bron was at the peak of his 'Chasedown' days, an excellent team defender, athletic and versatile and used his body better than before, where as Kobe had more and more lapses, a sign of what his defense would be in the next years.

[feyki]

I know, its just not suited to be an individual stat though.. way beyond stats and blocks, Bron was at the peak of his 'Chasedown' days, an excellent team defender, athletic and versatile and used his body better than before, where as Kobe had more and more lapses, a sign of what his defense would be in the next years.

I understand your point . But You says like same as Kobe fans , "Kobe best at 2006 " . Why? Cause Larger part of the your point is about regular season effects , sense .

But Lebron's level dropped against Celtics at playoffs . And Kobe been much better player than his regular season level against Celtics or Suns .

An example , Lebron was clearly better player than Dirk at 2011 regular season . But Was he better than Dirk at 2011 ? No way .