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CavaliersFTW
12-05-2015, 12:30 AM
Damn, now above average but by no means transcendent-talent forwards in this era are better ranged shooters than MJ era players ever could have hoped to be :wtf:

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points

Reggie Miller at his absolute best wouldn't even be a top 20 3 point shooter this season - in fact most of his career he shot worse from 3 than Mathew Dellavedova is shooting :wtf:






90's now starting to look like an era so far removed from this era that we "can't compare it". Kids who never saw that era are going to see the stats difference and scoff at it. Players back then simply did not do what players today are doing. Be it rules, be it talent, be it training, be it styles of play. It's just not comparable anymore when you have guys like Mathew Dellavedova outpacing the absolute greatest shooters of the 90's.

Velocirap31
12-05-2015, 12:31 AM
Lots of open 3's in the Spurs system.

TrueBlue89
12-05-2015, 12:52 AM
Warriors are so ****ing stacked. My God.

JimmyMcAdocious
12-05-2015, 01:48 AM
Curry at 46% while having ~25% more attempts than the next highest guy is just not fair. And I'm just going to assume the degree of difficulty on his attempts is higher.

Dirk on pace for another 50/40/90 season. At 37.

FKAri
12-05-2015, 02:06 AM
I've said it a million times and I'll say it again. The top 10-20 3pt FGs made list will be 90% different in 10 years. In 20 years Curry might not even be considered the best shooter in history anymore because of the Like-Curry effect. Especially considering his profile isn't as rare as MJ's 6-6 48in-vert.

ShaqTwizzle
12-05-2015, 03:13 AM
Whoa man what?


Reggie Miller at his absolute best wouldn't even be a top 20 3 point shooter this season

Reggie "at his best" made 2.8 a game on .427%

I think the list of guys today who are bettering that is very, very small.
Not even sure you can find 5 guys bettering that efficiency/volume combo.


in fact most of his career he shot worse from 3 than Mathew Dellavedova is shooting :wtf:

Not really.
Della is making 1.2 per game on 42%

Miller had about a 10 year stretch making 2.2 at 41%... and obviously he wasn't a nobody roleplayer scoring on mostly open kickouts.
He was almost always the best offensive player on his team and the main focus of opposing defenses.

buddha
12-05-2015, 03:57 AM
I've said it a million times and I'll say it again. The top 10-20 3pt FGs made list will be 90% different in 10 years. In 20 years Curry might not even be considered the best shooter in history anymore because of the Like-Curry effect. Especially considering his profile isn't as rare as MJ's 6-6 48in-vert.

yeah ****ing right. Curry will be the best shooter in NBA history for the next 50 years. his type of talent doesn't grow on trees.

JohnMax
12-05-2015, 06:39 AM
It's not enough that Lebron turned these guys into FMVPs but he also made them the best 3PT shooters in the league.

Hizack
12-05-2015, 08:47 AM
It's not enough that Lebron turned these guys into FMVPs but he also made them the best 3PT shooters in the league.
http://i.imgur.com/BCiKaFz.gif

HenryGarfunkle
12-05-2015, 08:59 AM
I've said it a million times and I'll say it again. The top 10-20 3pt FGs made list will be 90% different in 10 years. In 20 years Curry might not even be considered the best shooter in history anymore because of the Like-Curry effect. Especially considering his profile isn't as rare as MJ's 6-6 48in-vert.
Bro you been watching too much first take.

Shooting, just like jumping, is definitely an innate skill. You can work on your vertical just like you can work on your shot. But simply working on being the best shooter won't make you the best shooter unless you have a predisposition to be a really really good shooter, in which case Curry did have an innate talent for that.

His hand-eye coordination is rare. Dude was born to shoot.

SHAQisGOAT
12-05-2015, 10:56 AM
Kawhi been balling :applause:



Reggie Miller at his absolute best wouldn't even be a top 20 3 point shooter this season - in fact most of his career he shot worse from 3 than Mathew Dellavedova is shooting :wtf:

:biggums:

:rolleyes:


Whoa man what?



Reggie "at his best" made 2.8 a game on .427%

I think the list of guys today who are bettering that is very, very small.
Not even sure you can find 5 guys bettering that efficiency/volume combo.



Not really.
Della is making 1.2 per game on 42%

Miller had about a 10 year stretch making 2.2 at 41%... and obviously he wasn't a nobody roleplayer scoring on mostly open kickouts.
He was almost always the best offensive player on his team and the main focus of opposing defenses.

This ^

Not to mention that we're only like 20 games into the season...

Oh, and Reggie was only ONCE top5 in 3P%, that's right... The impressive thing was his 3P% PLUS his volume, his PPG, his FG% and his FT%, even his clutch play and so on...



Bro you been watching too much first take.

Shooting, just like jumping, is definitely an innate skill. You can work on your vertical just like you can work on your shot. But simply working on being the best shooter won't make you the best shooter unless you have a predisposition to be a really really good shooter, in which case Curry did have an innate talent for that.

His hand-eye coordination is rare. Dude was born to shoot.

Agreed.

dhsilv
12-05-2015, 11:43 AM
Lots of open 3's in the Spurs system.

The spurs are running a whole new "system" from years past. If this is a system...every player ever is a product of one.

Clifton
12-05-2015, 11:46 AM
In 20 years Curry might not even be considered the best shooter in history anymore because of the Like-Curry effect.
I don't think so. For 10 years after MJ retired, there was a "Like Mike" effect. It resulted in Kobe, Tmac, and maybe Vince Carter, than then a dozen-plus terrible imitators. And all three of the players I name were much better when they were not trying to be "Like Mike."

Being "Like the Bulls" never resulted in a single title. Instead, teams that were "Like the Rockets" and "Like the Knicks" and "Like the Jazz" won the titles in the 2000s, because those are better models for teams in general.

MJ, like Curry, was a transcendent talent, an all-time great, and utterly impossible to imitate.

We've seen dozens of guys who attempted what Curry is achieving. It never worked for anyone else. Everyone from Gilbert Arenas to Eddie House: either they were sparks off the bench or you wished they would settle for 3s less.

I think over the next 20 years, lots of players will pattern their game plans on Curry, and lots of teams plan around the Warriors, and that none of them will succeed.

Alamо
12-05-2015, 11:56 AM
Lots of open 3's in the Spurs system.


Then why isn't everyone on the Spurs shooting 50%?

jstern
12-05-2015, 07:01 PM
Remember a couple of years ago when they changed the way 3 point shots were being called and as a result we had an insane amount of 4 point plays during the playoffs? Causing the defenders to back off even more. Of course it's going to cause the percentages to up even more.

warriorfan
12-05-2015, 07:19 PM
Remember a couple of years ago when they changed the way 3 point shots were being called and as a result we had an insane amount of 4 point plays during the playoffs? Causing the defenders to back off even more. Of course it's going to cause the percentages to up even more.

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ShaqTwizzle
01-05-2016, 07:26 AM
After tonights game.
Kawhi = 21-ppg on 52/50/87

Nearly half the season gone.
Still averaging 2.0 three's made a game on 50%.... damn.

Marchesk
01-05-2016, 08:12 AM
What happens in a few years when the league 3P% average is higher than Kobe's career FG%?

K Xerxes
01-05-2016, 08:15 AM
I don't think so. For 10 years after MJ retired, there was a "Like Mike" effect. It resulted in Kobe, Tmac, and maybe Vince Carter, than then a dozen-plus terrible imitators. And all three of the players I name were much better when they were not trying to be "Like Mike."

Being "Like the Bulls" never resulted in a single title. Instead, teams that were "Like the Rockets" and "Like the Knicks" and "Like the Jazz" won the titles in the 2000s, because those are better models for teams in general.

MJ, like Curry, was a transcendent talent, an all-time great, and utterly impossible to imitate.

We've seen dozens of guys who attempted what Curry is achieving. It never worked for anyone else. Everyone from Gilbert Arenas to Eddie House: either they were sparks off the bench or you wished they would settle for 3s less.

I think over the next 20 years, lots of players will pattern their game plans on Curry, and lots of teams plan around the Warriors, and that none of them will succeed.

Comparing a guy who has yet to garner a single FMVP vote to arguably the greatest and most dominant of all time, and the best at scoring. :oldlol:

Curry is the greatest shooter of all time. Jordan is the greatest scorer of all time. Trying to find someone that could fill it up from the perimeter like Jordan is virtually impossible because you have to find someone who can compare with Jordan athletically to get to the rim, as well as boasting a devastating mid-range and post up skill arsenal. It's a uniquely rare combination and even someone as ATG as Kobe - who modeled around Jordan - couldn't quite match the production.

The younger generation are going to spend their time just hoisting up threes. Yeah most of them will fail, but eventually you're going to get a few like Curry. It requires excellent hand eye coordination, accuracy and a quick release, but the more practice, the more you'll uncover these talents.

Curry is not as rare and unique as Jordan, and we're not even taking into account defense. Don't compare them.

K Xerxes
01-05-2016, 08:18 AM
yeah ****ing right. Curry will be the best shooter in NBA history for the next 50 years. his type of talent doesn't grow on trees.

In the past 50 years (1966-present), we've seen players as good and as unique as: Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Jordan, Hakeem, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, LeBron, Durant, Curry. All those players and you don't think we'll get a shooter as good as Curry in the next 50 years, considering the focus of the new generation will be shooting??

riseagainst
01-05-2016, 12:07 PM
It's not enough that Lebron turned these guys into FMVPs but he also made them the best 3PT shooters in the league.


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Straight_Ballin
01-05-2016, 12:33 PM
Damn, now above average but by no means transcendent-talent forwards in this era are better ranged shooters than MJ era players ever could have hoped to be :wtf:

It's called the impact of confidence. Ever since Kawhi as a role player shut down Lebron and stole his FMVP, he built up his confidence to be able to shoot at such a high clip.

Compare this to forwards in MJ's era where MJ shut their teams down so fvcking bad that they lost confidence and shot like shit.

Thanks for proving the point that MJ impacted his era more so than any other player after him. :cheers:

FireDavidKahn
01-05-2016, 12:55 PM
Curry is still a better shooter. Can get his shot off anytime and anywhere. Leonard relies on open threes

Spurs5Rings2014
01-05-2016, 01:06 PM
Curry is still a better shooter. Can get his shot off anytime and anywhere. Leonard relies on open threes

http://i.imgur.com/UToMfQS.gif

Rocketswin2013
01-05-2016, 01:07 PM
Even when Leonard misses it almost goes in. He's got the most consistent shot in the league. Same mechanics every single time.

And most guys can't bother him because he's so long. He's an overrated finisher if we're looking at % though.


I remember a couple years ago I said he had the most balanced shot chart I'd ever seen. It's crazy how consistent he is as a shooter.