Why is Kobe's 2013 season so underrated?

[HOoopCityJones]

https://youtu.be/aI5BnvGx2iY

Thoughts? :biggums:

[dhsilv]

Injured for the playoffs and some people only care about that.

But he was all nba that year. I'd hardly say it was an underrated season. He got a LOT of respect for that year and good lord the love from guys like Bill Simmons that year was getting annoying.

[Wade's Rings]

Injured for the playoffs and some people only care about that.

But he was all nba that year. I'd hardly say it was an underrated season. He got a LOT of respect for that year and good lord the love from guys like Bill Simmons that year was getting annoying.

This. He got plenty of love for that Season and what he was doing at his age.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Its not underrated everyone on this board called him god and changed every word to have "be" at the end of it

Godbe clutchbe carrybe

How great is our god was probably the most common term

[HenryGarfunkle]

It's actually an extremely overrated season by his stans on here.

Kobe was not a top 5 player that year, not even close. His stat-line looks nice but his impact was nothing special at all, and his defense was atrocious

Kobe wasn't intimidating ANYBODY that year... he was putting up decent stat-lines but the Lakers weren't putting fear into anybody like they used to

Kobe ruined that by getting swept in 2011 and getting blitzkrieged by KD and the Thunder in 2012

It's another year where he had one of the best front courts in the NBA but couldn't do much with it except be a 7 or 8 seed and have his body break down before he could get swept out of the playoffs again.

Extremely overrated season.

[HOoopCityJones]

Injured for the playoffs and some people only care about that.

But he was all nba that year. I'd hardly say it was an underrated season. He got a LOT of respect for that year and good lord the love from guys like Bill Simmons that year was getting annoying.

Maybe, but they way he dragged that Team to the playoffs is unprecedented. Everyone counted them out.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's actually an extremely overrated season by his stans on here.

Kobe was not a top 5 player that year, not even close. His stat-line looks nice but his impact was nothing special at all, and his defense was atrocious

Kobe wasn't intimidating ANYBODY that year... he was putting up decent stat-lines but the Lakers weren't putting fear into anybody like they used to

Kobe ruined that by getting swept in 2011 and getting blitzkrieged by KD and the Thunder in 2012

It's another year where he had one of the best front courts in the NBA but couldn't do much with it except be a 7 or 8 seed and have his body break down before he could get swept out of the playoffs again.

Extremely overrated season.

Which 5 players would you say were better than him?

[HenryGarfunkle]

Which 5 players would you say were better than him?
LeBron
Durant
Melo
Paul
Duncan
Parker
Wade
Westbrook

As far as big names go I'd take all those guys over him.

[dhsilv]

Maybe, but they way he dragged that Team to the playoffs is unprecedented. Everyone counted them out.

Kobe's dragged weaker teams to the playoffs before. Same with guys like Lebron and KG.

For all the injuries and issues Gasol and Nash both played 49-50 games. Howard played 75+ games. Metta played 70+ games. They had some decent guys who could add value. I'm not about to call Meeks a star, but with his shooing he was a nice role player. Jameson played well that year. They even had 29 very good games out of Hill. That's a decent group of guys for an 8 seed.

[Hey Yo]

https://youtu.be/aI5BnvGx2iY

Thoughts? :biggums:
Fans were skeptical because of the multiple trips to Germany to have illegal doping done.

[feyki]

LeBron
Durant





Agreed .

[Magic 32]

The 28-7 (or something like that) run was almost unreal.

There were time when it felt like Kobe had punshed a hole in the space time continuum.

People are losing their minds. Lebron fans who should be happy about 60% shooting games and winning streak were screaming about PED almost every day.

Is was amazing.

[ShaqTwizzle]

Was an impressive bounce back season for him after 2 pretty shoddy years.
He was very good on the offensive end and very consistent also from start 2 finish.

However because of the injury I can't really give the season as a whole any value.
If you get injured and can't perform in the playoffs then your season has little value.
I feel the same way about 00 Duncan.

So no matter how good he was the season has no value in a ranking sense.

[dhsilv]

Was an impressive bounce back season for him after 2 pretty shoddy years.
He was very good on the offensive end and very consistent also from start 2 finish.

However because of the injury I can't really give the season as a whole any value.
If you get injured and can't perform in the playoffs then your season has little value.
I feel the same way about 00 Duncan.

So no matter how good he was the season has no value in a ranking sense.

The playoffs are the POST season. Both Duncan and Bryant played the season.

But you're an example of why 2013 gets downplayed.

My issue was just that Kobe wasn't played defense at all that year. Maybe in a 4th quarter bu if people are complaining about curry this year....good god.

[AirFederer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcy1CDeTRYc

:lol

Decent offensive year, garbage defense. :cheers:

[nba_55]

Maybe, but they way he dragged that Team to the playoffs is unprecedented. Everyone counted them out.

The rigging to get them to the playoffs was also unprecedented (atleast as far as regular season rigging goes).

[nba_55]

Here's some rigging videos showing how LAL go to playoffs that year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MhmGyZ7KF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUKbs2Y4vo8

[TheImmortal]

GOAT mix :bowdown:
Its not underrated everyone on this board called him god and changed every word to have "be" at the end of it

Godbe clutchbe carrybe

How great is our god was probably the most common term
GAWDBE :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Jameerthefear]

Here's some rigging videos showing how LAL go to playoffs that year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MhmGyZ7KF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUKbs2Y4vo8
That was blatant. I'm putting an asterisk on Kobe's 2013 season.

[TheGreatDeraj]

It's not to those that saw it.

This is the year Kobe literally gave every until his body broke down in front of us our eyes as he willed an old, injured and systematically flawed team to the playoffs after everyone wrote them off.

So much happened that year (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=296734) including 3 coaches and various injuries to key players that forced the Lakers to play with all there starters only one or maybe twice throughout the whole year.

This was a great video that really brought back the feelings of that season. I will never forgot those turn back the clock dunks and those comebacks at the end of the year against Hornets, Raptors, Warriors, etc as the Lakers fought tooth and nail to make the playoffs.

Those shots against the raptors were simply legendary. There are no other ways to describe it. The double pump fake three, the no look corner three, and, my God, the shot to put it into overtime may be my favorite Kobe shot of all time.

He uses amazing off ball movement and footwork to avoid being double teamed before the ball is even inbounded. Then, as he catches it, a great pump fake as one defender flies past leaving just the smallest window for Kobe Bryant to rise in the face of the other defender and nail his third clutch as hell three in under 2 minutes to tie the game and send it to overtime.

Absolutely incredible, and it was all leading up to that fateful game against the warriors in the staples center where Kobe's body breaks down with multiple injuries throughout the game and he should have sat down. D'antoni should have sat him. Somebody on that team should have stood up and said "Kobe, you have done enough, we have your back tonight". Maybe give the 35 year old who's been playing near 40 minutes a game playing from behind nearly every night a much needed and deserved rest.

But they didn't. And even still Kobe goes head to head, point for point, against Curry until he tears his Achilles. Finally, in yet another classic Kobe moment, where he can hardly walk, he gets to the free throw line

[Papaya Petee]

Hmmm how about because preseason they were crowned champions and the team to dethrone the league and ended up arguably the biggest bust of all time with Kobe leading the charge? He was also horrible defensively.

[Smoke117]

Maybe, but they way he dragged that Team to the playoffs is unprecedented. Everyone counted them out.

Welp, there you go. "the way he dragged that team to the playoffs is unprecedented"...yeah because that 2013 lakers team was worse than than the 09 and 10 Heat, the 06 and 07 lakers, and many of Lebrons Cavs teams. You'd think instead of Dwight howard putting up 17.1ppg 12.4ppg 2.4bpg they had an old broken down Jermaine O'neal. While the team was hurt often, they had a lot of offensive talent with Nash, Gasol, and Jamison. The Lakers were 7th in the league in offense and not because of Kobe alone like in 06 and 07 when the roster was complete junk.

The lakers had a lot of problems with geling but you Kobe stans trying to act like that team had no talent and he willed them into the playoffs is ridiculous. That laker squad could always score and that's what got them into the playoffs. Just because Kobe was the best player on the team doesn't mean he willed them into the playoffs. They didn't live up to the hype train, but you trying to act like the team was complete bunk is absurd.

[Wade's Rings]

It's actually an extremely overrated season by his stans on here.

Kobe was not a top 5 player that year, not even close. His stat-line looks nice but his impact was nothing special at all, and his defense was atrocious

Kobe wasn't intimidating ANYBODY that year... he was putting up decent stat-lines but the Lakers weren't putting fear into anybody like they used to

Kobe ruined that by getting swept in 2011 and getting blitzkrieged by KD and the Thunder in 2012

It's another year where he had one of the best front courts in the NBA but couldn't do much with it except be a 7 or 8 seed and have his body break down before he could get swept out of the playoffs again.

Extremely overrated season.

His defense wasn't great, the rest of your post :facepalm

[alanLA92]

Nope, he was getting praised for his offense. However, his defense was terrible that year.

[JT123]

Hmmm how about because preseason they were crowned champions and the team to dethrone the league and ended up arguably the biggest bust of all time with Kobe leading the charge? He was also horrible defensively.
This is the only correct answer. So Kobe and his team flagrantly fail to meet expectations for 75% of the season, yet I am supposed to be impressed by him taking advantage of their easy schedule (while still losing to every contender) by beating non playoff teams during the latter part of the season? :biggums:

[Quickening]

This is the only correct answer. So Kobe and his team flagrantly fail to meet expectations for 75% of the season, yet I am supposed to be impressed by him taking advantage of their easy schedule (while still losing to every contender) by beating non playoff teams during the latter part of the season? :biggums:

This :applause:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

His defense was bad and has been since 2012 but offensively 2013 is easily Kobes best season since 2009. Post 2010 its easily his best overall season too. Easily a top 10 player arguably top 5 player.

[Shih508]

The rigging to get them to the playoffs was also unprecedented (atleast as far as regular season rigging goes).

:applause: on someone who really watched the games instead of just checking stats like kobe stans do

TBH, 2013 was just a mirror of majority of Kobe's career. Impressive stats but very little impact + all riggings

[sundizz]

Pretty sure he was on the juice that season. He was way way way way more athletic than he had been for a while. He was at about 2009 levels of himself again for stretches at a time. Sold his soul to the devil and it got claimed with that achilles at the end.

[Magic 32]

Pretty sure he was on the juice that season. He was way way way way more athletic than he had been for a while. He was at about 2009 levels of himself again for stretches at a time. Sold his soul to the devil and it got claimed with that achilles at the end.

Yes. You can't jump on and off the juice train.

You have to be on it all the time like Lebron.


Anyway, back to reality.


Kobe had his first operation in Germany in 2012.

Of course there is a difference between a blood "PED" operation that fixes a brooken down knee, and continues ABUSE of PED.

In that case you get unreal stamina, fewer or no injuries and superhuman strength....

https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/N0YAjZMOHGko_JvragJFSamh_sk=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/370262/LeBron_before_and_after.0.png

[NBASTATMAN]

It's actually an extremely overrated season by his stans on here.

Kobe was not a top 5 player that year, not even close. His stat-line looks nice but his impact was nothing special at all, and his defense was atrocious

Kobe wasn't intimidating ANYBODY that year... he was putting up decent stat-lines but the Lakers weren't putting fear into anybody like they used to

Kobe ruined that by getting swept in 2011 and getting blitzkrieged by KD and the Thunder in 2012

It's another year where he had one of the best front courts in the NBA but couldn't do much with it except be a 7 or 8 seed and have his body break down before he could get swept out of the playoffs again.

Extremely overrated season.


Nice list .. I will add that he was playing under a DAntoni system... Most guards have great years playing in his system.. While his numbers were good his impact wasn't. While he was still healthy they were out of the playoffs... They made the playoffs by winning most if not all of their remaining games after he was injured. The Lakers have always tended to win more games without Kobe than with him.. That year was no different..

[Magic 32]

While his numbers were good his impact wasn't. While he was still healthy they were out of the playoffs... They made the playoffs by winning most if not all of their remaining games after he was injured. The Lakers have always tended to win more games without Kobe than with him.. That year was no different..

Kobe got injured with two games left in the season.

25-12 in the 37 games before that.

Kobe averaged 25.1 ppg, 7.5 apg, 6.4 rpg, 1.3 spg. 46fg% in those games.

Al least have some integrity if you gonna troll.

[AirFederer]

A ruptured Achilles could take up to a year to heal, according to Will Carroll, sports injuries lead writer for Bleacher Report. Bryant has previously said that next season could be his last in the NBA. This is the 16th season in the league for the 34-year-old.

Asked if the timetable means Bryant will be back next season, trainer Gary Vitti said on Twitter "that's the plan."

Bryant reacted with disappointment on social media after the injury. On his Facebook page he posted a lengthy update:

"This is such BS! All the training and sacrifice just flew out the window with one step that I've done millions of times! The frustration is unbearable. The anger is rage. Why the hell did this happen ?!? Makes no damn sense. Now I'm supposed to come back from this and be the same player Or better at 35?!? How in the world am I supposed to do that??

"I have NO CLUE. Do I have the consistent will to overcome this thing? Maybe I should break out the rocking chair and reminisce on the career that was. Maybe this is how my book ends. Maybe Father Time has defeated me."

Later, Bryant called the injury the first step in a new challenge.

"One day, the beginning of a new career journey will commence. Today is NOT that day," he wrote. The post received more than 136,000 likes.

[Levity]

Hmmm how about because preseason they were crowned champions and the team to dethrone the league and ended up arguably the biggest bust of all time with Kobe leading the charge? He was also horrible defensively.

preseason, where names on a team win you championships

so looking past those asinine claims, nash injured in the 2nd quarter of the 2nd game of the season. never came back close to 100%. couldnt break down any defenders, and worse, couldnt get past his man, even with a screen. forced to play as an off ball shooter, if he wanted any productive time on the court

dwight howard, wanted the keys to the team. wanted a majority of touches. used his back injury as an (legit) excuse when he under-performed. was terrible in the pick and roll all season, turnover prone every time he posted up. completely disappeared in the first round.

gasol was used as a stretch big in MDA's offense. barely got any touches in the low post, but still found a way to be effective in the high post.

kobe. youre right, defense was horrible, with the occasional effort given. regardless, he adjusted his game in a way we have yet to see from him, in order to get the most success possible from his team.

it was a fun season, and a fun stretch of games post all star break.

[WayOfWade]

Regardless of anyone's stance on this season, defense and injuries and all, this was an incredibly impressive run by Bryant, that is undeniable.

[stalkerforlife]

Greatest 17th season of all time.

[NBASTATMAN]

Kobe got injured with two games left in the season.

25-12 in the 37 games before that.

Kobe averaged 25.1 ppg, 7.5 apg, 6.4 rpg, 1.3 spg. 46fg%

Al least have some integrity if you gonna troll.


WTF does barely mean.. They won... THEY GOT TO THE PLAYOFFS WITH A HUGE AMOUNT OF HELP FROM THE NBA AND REFS... Either way at this point Kobe is having the worst season ever by any NBA player... Great business decision by ownership to have Kobe tank the season with his selfish play...

[Magic 32]

WTF does barely mean.. They won... THEY GOT TO THE PLAYOFFS WITH A HUGE AMOUNT OF HELP FROM THE NBA AND REFS... Either way at this point Kobe is having the worst season ever by any NBA player... Great business decision by ownership to have Kobe tank the season with his selfish play...

No. Not either way.