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TAZORAC
12-06-2015, 02:27 PM
Both were shameless ball hogs, which one was the biggest..Kobe this year or Jordan with the Wizards?

SouBeachTalents
12-06-2015, 02:29 PM
The one shooting 30%

VeeCee15
12-06-2015, 02:29 PM
kobe every year
he can't even shoot over 47% EVER

his Career FG% is so low meaning he takes too many shots and depends on phantom calls/his 7 foot teammates to get O boards

HOoopCityJones
12-06-2015, 02:35 PM
Obviously Kobe.

But no one's left the Team yet or asked for a trade, which I remember another guy doing on the Wizards. But Nick Young is close, already been making snide comments about this "Circus".

feyki
12-06-2015, 02:37 PM
2006 Lebron and Iverson .

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
12-06-2015, 02:40 PM
Kobe and it's not even close.

Jordan closed out the last ~30 or so games, averaging ~23ppg on 46% shooting. At 40 years of age. :bowdown:

Dr Hawk
12-06-2015, 02:54 PM
Kobe and it's not even close.

Jordan closed out the last ~30 or so games, averaging ~23ppg on 46% shooting. At 40 years of age. :bowdown:

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

This question is aninsult for Jordan

Magic 32
12-06-2015, 03:00 PM
kobe every year
he can't even shoot over 47% EVER

his Career FG% is so low meaning he takes too many shots and depends on phantom calls/his 7 foot teammates to get O boards

zzzzz

Fudge
12-06-2015, 04:00 PM
kobe every year
he can't even shoot over 47% EVER

his Career FG% is so low meaning he takes too many shots and depends on phantom calls/his 7 foot teammates to get O boards
:lol :applause:

ClipperRevival
12-06-2015, 04:18 PM
Wizards MJ at the age of 38-40:

21.2 ppg, 19.9 PER, .431 fg%, .480 ts%, 5.5 rpg, 4.4 apg, 1.5 spg

Kobe this year at 37:

16.6 ppg, 10.5 PER, .304 fg%, .412 ts%, 3.9 rpg, 3.4 apg, 1.1 spg

MJ was still an All Star level performer and deserved the additional usage because he was still efficient enough. Kobe doesn't warrant the usage and the more he shoots, the more he hurts the team. The Philly game was the perfect example of one guy taking down a team with unwarranted usage due to the terrible shot selections, the kill of offensive flow and terrible efficiency.

ClipperRevival
12-06-2015, 04:22 PM
Kobe has no business taking 18.1 shots per game this year. The more he shoots, the more he hurts his team. He is a guy who should be taking around 13 shots at most. And even beyond the shot attempts, it's the type of shots he's been taking that's more detrimental. The flow killing iso plays with a defender in his face or the 3 pt attempts that's not in rhythm. If Kobe made a better effort to get his shots within the flow, the number of shots taken wouldn't be as detrimental. But his terrible shot selections just makes it that much worse.

fiddy
12-06-2015, 05:54 PM
Kobe has no business taking 18.1 shots per game this year. The more he shoots, the more he hurts his team. He is a guy who should be taking around 13 shots at most. And even beyond the shot attempts, it's the type of shots he's been taking that's more detrimental. The flow killing iso plays with a defender in his face or the 3 pt attempts that's not in rhythm. If Kobe made a better effort to get his shots within the flow, the number of shots taken wouldn't be as detrimental. But his terrible shot selections just makes it that much worse.
I think its the other way around, tank commander bryant, know we got a pick to retain :pimp:

TAZORAC
12-09-2015, 06:29 AM
Obviously Kobe.

But no one's left the Team yet or asked for a trade, which I remember another guy doing on the Wizards. But Nick Young is close, already been making snide comments about this "Circus".

Somewhat true, Richard Hamilton said he stunted his growth as a player and Stackhouse thought Jordan was a hog.

andgar923
12-09-2015, 07:47 AM
Somewhat true, Richard Hamilton said he stunted his growth as a player and Stackhouse thought Jordan was a hog.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Rip actually credits MJ in helping him become a great off the ball player.

Speaking of... unlike Kobe, MJ never really held the ball much. His game centered around moving without the ball and quick possessions. Most of his possessions came within the flow of the game and not isos.

Rake2204
12-09-2015, 09:35 AM
Somewhat true, Richard Hamilton said he stunted his growth as a player and Stackhouse thought Jordan was a hog.I'd be legitimately interested in hearing the Richard Hamilton quotes. That doesn't seem like him, particularly considering his Jordan Brand affiliation, but crazier things have happened.

Here's what Rip had to say recently, regarding what he learned and Jordan's competitiveness:

[quote]How to be a pro. I think Mitch was probably a top five shooting guard of all time. Michael Jordan: No. 1 shooting guard of all time. And you get an opportunity to watch them, see how they attack practice, carry stuff off the floor. You can study them by asking questions each and every day, on how many shots they give up. Or [you can] guard them in practice and understand what they

Hey Yo
12-09-2015, 01:00 PM
Tom Haberstroh ‏@tomhaberstroh 2 hours ago
BIG Number on @TrueHoopTV: Kobe would need to make his next 71 shots just to catch Jordan's FG% ... on the Wizards.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14324167

DrakeTheSnake
12-09-2015, 01:25 PM
Both were shameless ball hogs, which one was the biggest..Kobe this year or Jordan with the Wizards?
Clearly Kobe. If you are shooting shots you can make, teammates can live with it, but nothing is more frustrating than watching somebody who is worse than you take all the shots.

AirFederer
12-09-2015, 01:41 PM
Tom Haberstroh ‏@tomhaberstroh 2 hours ago
BIG Number on @TrueHoopTV: Kobe would need to make his next 71 shots just to catch Jordan's FG% ... on the Wizards.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14324167
:eek: :roll:

MJ :applause:

Dragonyeuw
12-09-2015, 02:12 PM
One was leading a marginally talented team and was a legit MVP candidate on 25/6/5 42% before injury......the other is shooting 30% and taking 18 shots a night on a team that's 2 and 20 or whatever. One played within his capabilities at that point, the other says the end is near but still tries to play like it isn't.

You tell me.

tmacattack33
12-09-2015, 03:06 PM
Both were shameless ball hogs, which one was the biggest..Kobe this year or Jordan with the Wizards?

A better question would be 2011 Kobe or MJ with the Wizards.

TAZORAC
12-10-2015, 03:15 PM
You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Rip actually credits MJ in helping him become a great off the ball player.

Speaking of... unlike Kobe, MJ never really held the ball much. His game centered around moving without the ball and quick possessions. Most of his possessions came within the flow of the game and not isos.

Hamilton said it indirectly about Jordan stunting his growth. He never said Jordan, and this was when he played for the Pistons a few year later.

Straight_Ballin
12-10-2015, 03:27 PM
Bottom line, replace Bron with MJ and MJ is still 6/6. :banana:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY9MUu6lRGM

DCL
12-10-2015, 05:44 PM
not sure if there's ever been a bigger ball hog than this year's kobe in the entire history of basketball for any league in any era :oldlol:

andgar923
12-10-2015, 05:59 PM
Hamilton said it indirectly about Jordan stunting his growth. He never said Jordan, and this was when he played for the Pistons a few year later.
STFU

There was an interview he did when he was a Piston in which he credits MJ directly. And he brought it up out of nowhere so it wasn't like he was guided to his response.

I<3NBA
12-10-2015, 10:35 PM
One was leading a marginally talented team and was a legit MVP candidate on 25/6/5 42% before injury......the other is shooting 30% and taking 18 shots a night on a team that's 2 and 20 or whatever. One played within his capabilities at that point, the other says the end is near but still tries to play like it isn't.

You tell me.
:applause: