LeBron did it to himself.

[Real14]

LeBron would be in my top 10 and he would have my respect if he didnt...

Became 2/6,

Quit cavs to join super team heat in 2010

Quit Miami to join another super team back in Cleveland 2014,

Still throwing his teammates under bus even though they're stacked,

Lied about changing his number for good cuz of MJ then wind up going back to #23,

Lied about not 5, 6, 7 and wind up not 1 asterisk.

Etc, etc, etc, ISH, Bronna has done it to himself.

What u think?:facepalm

[Goofsta Knicca]

He probably gonna quit midway through da season. Say he needs sum time away from basketball. Make a couple trades (u shouldn'a talked shit J.R.!) n come back for da playoffs. LeDrama

[warriorfan]

LeBron would be in my top 10 and he would have my respect if he didnt...

Became 2/6,

Quit cavs to join super team heat in 2010

Quit Miami to join another super team back in Cleveland 2014,

Still throwing his teammates under bus even though they're stacked,

Lied about changing his number for good cuz of MJ then wind up going back to #23,

Lied about not 5, 6, 7 and wind up not 1 asterisk.

Etc, etc, etc, ISH, Bronna has done it to himself.

What u think?:facepalm
I think the same thing. I used to like LeBron back in the day before he started quitting on his team and left his hometown team to ring chase. Then all the other stuff you mentioned and it's impossible to be a fan of him. He is whack.

[L8krH8tr]

I highly doubt he cares what some internet weakling like you thinks

[Real14]

I highly doubt he cares what some internet weakling like you thinks
All because I'm on tha damn Internet that means I'm weak?:biggums: Nigguh please:coleman: Why u hate tha Lakers tho?:lol

[Smoke117]

What do I think? I think only Lebron haters think about this dumb shit enough to actually have to make these threads.

[Real14]

I think the same thing. I used to like LeBron back in the day before he started quitting on his team and left his hometown team to ring chase. Then all the other stuff you mentioned and it's impossible to be a fan of him. He is whack.
Exactly bro, I've always disliked him but like u said before 2010 I at least had respect for him. Even Jordan didn't do that shit when he played for wizards.

[Real14]

What do I think? I think only Lebron haters think about this dumb shit enough to actually have to make these threads.
If you're a heat fan, then why u kiss brons miniature nuts all tha damn time?:biggums:

[DMV2]

Real Fresh Kid, when is you dropping yo first mixtape?

Realtalk, I wish you a Happy Holidays and an even better 2016.

I like busting your balls sometimes, homey! :cheers:

[Straight_Ballin]

LeBron would be in my top 10 and he would have my respect if he didnt...

Became 2/6,

Quit cavs to join super team heat in 2010

Quit Miami to join another super team back in Cleveland 2014,

Still throwing his teammates under bus even though they're stacked,

Lied about changing his number for good cuz of MJ then wind up going back to #23,

Lied about not 5, 6, 7 and wind up not 1 asterisk.

Etc, etc, etc, ISH, Bronna has done it to himself.

What u think?:facepalm

Everyone feels the same way. Anyone telling you different is just trolling on here to get a rise out of someone. No way in hell can anyone have this guy in their top 10 when you take it all into account.

[Smoke117]

If you're a heat fan, then why u kiss brons miniature nuts all tha damn time?:biggums:

Respecting a great player for his prowess is not "kissing his nuts". I don't even like Lebron and have never been a fan, but I'm also not an imbecile like you and your ilk.

[Real14]

Real Fresh Kid, when is you dropping yo first mixtape?

Realtalk, I wish you a Happy Holidays and an even better 2016.

I like busting your balls sometimes, homey! :cheers:
I appreciate tha love bro and it's all good:cheers:. Same to you too bro, and next year will be an amazing year indeed:applause: First mixtape will be instant classic:pimp:

[Straight_Ballin]

If you're a heat fan, then why u kiss brons miniature nuts all tha damn time?:biggums:

Because he knows that the 2006 finals is questionable.

[buddha]

yeah... this is why we all hate him.. why did it take you the extra 3 years to figure this out?

[Kblaze8855]

So he's a top 10 basketball player minus 5 things that have nothing to do with basketball and losing to a potential 70 win team without his second and third best player.....

It's amazing to me that people like you don't see how ridiculously weak these arguments are.

You might as well say he's top 10 but I don't like him so I going to arbitrarily drop him below people I know he's better than.

It's really such a terrible argument it's a disservice to several people who can legitimately be argued better than LeBron.

You're pretty much saying that a guy like Hakeem, Kobe, Oscar, or whoever isn't as good as LeBron except LeBron had a couple of bad press conferences and none basketball issues that make you give them a spot their basketball doesn't justify.


These dudes do not need to be propped up because of what number LeBron wears or what he was asked in a press conference.

if you think they are better than LeBron explain why. Don't say LeBron is better except his favorite color is wrong and he likes extra mayonnaise on his subs. your reasons arent one bit more valid than those.

[Young X]

If Lebron hadn't gone to Miami he would be very likely be RINGLESS and he would be nowhere near as respected as he is now.

All the people saying otherwise ain't slick. You were the same ones clowning him being for being ringless when he was in Cleveland.

The truth is, it doesn't matter what Lebron does. You're still gonna hate or discredit him no matter what. That's what haters do.

[Straight_Ballin]

I think the same thing. I used to like LeBron back in the day before he started quitting on his team and left his hometown team to ring chase. Then all the other stuff you mentioned and it's impossible to be a fan of him. He is whack.

The entire world feels the same way. Like I said, anything else is a weak troll attempt.

[Springsteen]

If you're a heat fan, then why u kiss brons miniature nuts all tha damn time?:biggums:

Says the Knicks fan who kisses Kobe's nuts ALL the damn time. :yaohappy:

[Megabox!]

If Lebron hadn't gone to Miami he would be very likely be RINGLESS and he would be nowhere near as respected as he is now.

All the people saying otherwise ain't slick. You were the same ones clowning him being for being ringless when he was in Cleveland.

The truth is, it doesn't matter what Lebron does. You're still gonna hate or discredit him no matter what. That's what haters do.
This. Lebron could go on to win back-to-back rings with the Cavs and they would still have something negative to say. Same goes for any other polarizing sports figure, it's sad really

[Andrei89]

I think the same thing. I used to like LeBron back in the day before he started quitting on his team and left his hometown team to ring chase. Then all the other stuff you mentioned and it's impossible to be a fan of him. He is whack.


Funny how you said nobody cares about Lebron anymore yet you talk more about him than his own mother :roll: :roll:

[Segatti]

This "2/6" meme has to die already. There is no NBA player at any point in time that would win in 2007, 2014 or 2015 in the place of Lebron. If you think otherwise you are delusional.

[pauk]

LeBron would be in my top 10 and he would have my respect if he didnt...

Suuuure he would, if he is not in your top 10 now then he would NEVER be.... if you look at his accolades & how great of a talent he is, his peak etc, compared to others & you still find any reason (like your stupid reasons beneath) at all for him not to be in your top 10 then you wouldnt have him there even with 10 mvps, 10 championships/fmvps etc .... you would still find your "reasons", your "asterisks"....



Became 2/6

2 championships as the man / 2 fmvp
6 Finals appearances/Conference championships as the man

Unfortunately "2/6" is not an insult.... you think 2/2 would be better? Thats 4 less Finals appearances/Conference Championships.... 4 less times of trying to win a championship.... could also be 4 times he missed playoffs, surely that is not more prestigious huh?

pretty bad huh... especially when you consider the circumstances of what he had to work with around him...




Quit cavs to join super team heat in 2010

Nope, technically he left a good team (well, only because of him) to join a bad team.

That same exact Wade team/roster had either missed the playoffs or got swept in the 1st round since 2006, in the east.... sounds like a super team huh?

That same exact Lebron team were championship contenders, EC champions / had best team records, franchise records and stuff... sure sounds like he left a better team to join a worse team?

That same exact Wade team/roster Lebron joined went immediately to Finals because of HIM... to 4 straight Finals, winning 2...

That same exact Lebron team/roster he left (Cavs) became immediately for all those years he was gone essentially one of the very worst teams in the NBA.... i mean if Lebron truly had help that outcome surely wouldnt be the case right?



Pretty bad huh.......



Quit Miami to join another super team back in Cleveland 2014

That same exact Irving team struggled to just not look like the worst team in the NBA ever since Lebrons departure in 2009.... i dont think Love would have made any difference, you sure see how much of a difference that makaes when Lebron doesnt play & this last game....

Thats the team Lebron joined... and immediately again took that team to the Finals.... where he had a good attempt at trying to win it all even with Love/Irving being injured/gone.....

Meanwhile that same exact which you call "Super Team" (Miami) he left immediately became a bad team again, missing playoffs, in the East.... and they did their best trying to replace at least 1/4 of Lebrons shoes with more additions (Deng and so on), to no avail....



Pretty bad huh.........


Lied about changing his number for good cuz of MJ then wind up going back to #23

I guess, but who cares?



Lied about not 5, 6, 7 and wind up not 1 asterisk.

He lied about Miami having the potential to win not 5, 6, 7 etc. championships? How? They sure had that potential........ thats exactly what he said/meant.... you almost make it sound like he PROMISED it.... he never did, you seem confused, here it is again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9BqUBYaHlM



What u think?:facepalm

I think you are a delusional cynic, an insecure stan of somebody / someone Lebron either dismantles/threatens now or all-time or somebody Lebron threatened before.... fear... loathing.. insecurity.... butthurtedness.... being mad...

Thats what i think, what do you think?

[DoctorP]

bran gonna bran

[Straight_Ballin]

This "2/6" meme has to die already. There is no NBA player at any point in time that would win in 2007, 2014 or 2015 in the place of Lebron. If you think otherwise you are delusional.

If he can't take the "Heat", then he should stay the fvck out of the kitchen.

[pauk]

This "2/6" meme has to die already. There is no NBA player at any point in time that would win in 2007, 2014 or 2015 in the place of Lebron. If you think otherwise you are delusional.

...and thats not even the main thing that make that logic itself stupid, the main thing is that it downplays the meaning of "trying to win a championship", success, impact...

2/2 would be better in their eyes right? I mean its "100%" omg, awezomezzzz...

Well for Lebron to do that he would have to either:

A: Miss 4 Playoffs.
B: Quit/Choke in the ECF 4 times.
C: Quit/Choke in the 1st round or so 4 times.
D: A combination of all above.

Surely that is worse / would hurt his legacy instead right?

Surely that cant be better than instead winning 4 more conf. championships / having 4 more Finals appearences / 4 more shots at trying to win a championship until the very last fat lady sings / Many more memorable performances etc....

Its amazing how somebody would have the nerve to try downplay SUCCESS / IMPACT, especially when considering what the player had to work with around him, especially the circumstances of the last Finals....

The thing is, the logic itself is stupid, they (only Kobe stans created/use this really and ONLY for Lebron) ignore / refuse to accept is that the "X of X" in Finals thing downplays anybody in history, even Kobe himself & his will to win...

Kobe is 5 / 7.... but he would only ADD to his legacy if he was 5 of 10 or 5 of 15 or 5 of 20......... there would be no difference, he would still have his 5 championships, 2 fmvps..... except he would have either 10 or 15 or 20 Finals appearances / Conf. Championships.... and MAYBE even more FMVPS (you can win that in the Finals even by losing, last Finals Lebron almost won the FMVP & Curry didnt have a single damn vote)...

...and you go ahead and ask Kobe & his team if he/they would have liked 10 or 15 or so more shots at a championship or not.... sure, many guys wouldnt want to be there if they would know they would guaranteed lose, but the reality you dont know, reality is how do you know the outcome if you dont try?

I mean as a Fan of a team/player what the hell do you want? You want him/them to deliberately choke/quit playoffs, conference finals or something if you know he most likely will lose (knowing he/they will clearly meet a better / more healthy team in the Finals or something) just to savior his "X of X" in Finals win%??? Because that is more prestigous? lmao

[stalkerforlife]

I have more respect for Patrick Ewing, a star that stayed with the Knicks until he was 37 years old. He wanted to win as the man and he didn't, but he didn't take the cowardly way out.

I have Ewing ahead of Bran all time.

[pauk]

I have more respect for Patrick Ewing, a star that stayed with the Knicks until he was 37 years old. He wanted to win as the man and he didn't, but he didn't take the cowardly way out.

I have Ewing ahead of Bran all time.

Do you also have Ewing over Wilt, Shaq, Oscar, Kareem, West and so on? Players who also won when they left their teams to seek greener pastures?

Do you maybe even also have Ewing over Kobe and so on? Players who verbally/officially demanded to be traded when things were going rough supporting cast wise and had most of their championships being handed to them as sidekicks?

Do you maybe even also have Ewing over Magic and so on? Players who verbally/officially demanded to not play in the NBA if they didnt play for the most stacked team / best player in the NBA (which in Magics case was Kareem/Lakers).

Waiting patiently for your amazing response considering your logic.... this will be very interesting...

[poido123]

Funny how you said nobody cares about Lebron anymore yet you talk more about him than his own mother :roll: :roll:


Caring so much as in, watching a train wreck happen real life for entertainment.


:confusedshrug:


People just enjoy watching Lebron fail at cheating the honour code of the game.

The unwritten rules which make Lebron a btch in many basketball fans eyes.

[stalkerforlife]

Do you also have Ewing over Wilt, Shaq, Oscar, Kareem, West and so on? Players who also won when they left their teams to seek greener pastures?

Do you maybe even also have Ewing over Kobe and so on? Players who verbally/officially demanded to be traded when things were going rough supporting cast wise?

Do you maybe even also have Ewing over Magic and so on? Players who verbally/officially demanded to not play in the NBA if they didnt play for the most stacked team / best player in the NBA (which in Magics case was Kareem/Lakers).

Waiting patiently for your response....


PS: Lebron didnt win as the man? Oh really, Bosh or Wade was that huh?

What's the question?

[pauk]

What's the question?

As you can see there is 3 questions....

Just a YES or NO will do.... or simply, just show me your Top 10 list, that will answer all the questions.... but be careful, this is just to see if you contradict yourself/your logic (if "coward" accounts only for Lebron & nobody else) or if you really are honest about yourself/your logic here you will then indeed for example rank Ewing top 10, ahead of MANY "cowards".


(screw the "PS:" part, i thought u aimed that at Lebron at first, but its for Ewing, nvm)

[stalkerforlife]

As you can see there is 3 questions....

Just a YES or NO will do.... or simply, just show me your Top 10 list, that will answer all the questions.... but be careful, this is just to see if you contradict yourself/your logic (if "coward" accounts only for Lebron & nobody else) or if you really are honest about yourself/your logic here.


(screw the "PS:" part, i thought u aimed that at Lebron at first, but its for Ewing, nvm)

What exactly are you asking?

[pauk]

What exactly are you asking?

1. Do you have Ewing over Wilt, Shaq, Oscar, Kareem, West all-time aswell?

If answer is NO: Are they not "cowards" for doing the exact same thing Lebron did? (which is to change the color of uniform)

2. Do you have Ewing over Kobe all-time aswell?

If answer is NO: Isnt Kobe a "coward" for demanding to be traded when things got rough?

3. Do you have Ewing over Magic all-time aswell?

If answer is NO: Isnt Magic a "coward" for refusing to play in the NBA or for any other team/player (refusing to try winning it with scrubs etc.) which ultimately is the reason behind the amount of his championships.





You would answer YES in all of those if you dont contradict yourself/your logic.... its you who ranks Ewing over Lebron due to that "cowardness" factor afterall....

[JT123]

1. Do you have Ewing over Wilt, Shaq, Oscar, Kareem, West all-time aswell?

If answer is NO: Are they not "cowards" for doing the exact same thing Lebron did? (which is to change the color of uniform)

2. Do you have Ewing over Kobe all-time aswell?

If answer is NO: Isnt Kobe a "coward" for demanding to be traded when things got rough?

3. Do you have Ewing over Magic all-time aswell?

If answer is NO: Isnt Magic a "coward" for refusing to play in the NBA or for any other team/player (refusing to try winning it with scrubs etc.) which ultimately is the reason behind the amount of his championships.





You would answer YES in all of those if you dont contradict yourself/your logic.... its you who ranks Ewing over Lebron due to that "cowardness" factor afterall....
You're getting trolled pretty bad right now bro. :lol
Just relax and debate with more respectable posters :cheers:

[pauk]

You're getting trolled pretty bad right now bro. :lol
Just relax and debate with more respectable posters :cheers:

I know he is trying, trying to avoid it, i just want to force him to answer so i can expose him even further... i find it entertaining & its so easy to expose them with a simple use of logic, objectivity & certainty... and from my experience here on ISH, believe it or not some are truly believing what they are saying... stalkerforlife i think may be for real, especially after ive seen his youtube videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVevepBzqWM) on some basketball matter, that or he deserves an Oscar. :bowdown:

[Pointguard]

So he's a top 10 basketball player minus 5 things that have nothing to do with basketball and losing to a potential 70 win team without his second and third best player.....

It's amazing to me that people like you don't see how ridiculously weak these arguments are.

You might as well say he's top 10 but I don't like him so I going to arbitrarily drop him below people I know he's better than.

It's really such a terrible argument it's a disservice to several people who can legitimately be argued better than LeBron.

You're pretty much saying that a guy like Hakeem, Kobe, Oscar, or whoever isn't as good as LeBron except LeBron had a couple of bad press conferences and none basketball issues that make you give them a spot their basketball doesn't justify.


These dudes do not need to be propped up because of what number LeBron wears or what he was asked in a press conference.

if you think they are better than LeBron explain why. Don't say LeBron is better except his favorite color is wrong and he likes extra mayonnaise on his subs. your reasons arent one bit more valid than those.

This.

But 2011 has cost him quite a bit now.

[Straight_Ballin]

I know he is trying, trying to avoid it, i just want to force him to answer so i can expose him even further... i find it entertaining & its so easy to expose them with a simple use of logic, objectivity & certainty... and from my experience here on ISH, believe it or not some are truly believing what they are saying... stalkerforlife i think may be for real, especially after ive seen his youtube videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVevepBzqWM) on some basketball matter, that or he deserves an Oscar. :bowdown:

You aren't exposing anyone lil bro. Real14 is spot on with his post. Your opinion about Lebron is in the minority. Dude did it to himself. Now go write another lion essay or whatever type of coping mechanism you need to do in order to be able to sleep tonight knowing that Lebron did it to himself. I'll take my opinion of Lebron over anyone on here as I've seen him play live at the Q more than anyone on here. I sleep nice and soundly knowing that my opinion of him is shared by the majority of basketball fans. Curry has the torch which was passed to him from Kobe. Lebron didn't even touch it. Chalk it up as another lesson learned Pauk and move on. :sleeping

[stalkerforlife]

1. Do you have Ewing over Wilt, Shaq, Oscar, Kareem, West all-time aswell?

If answer is NO: Are they not "cowards" for doing the exact same thing Lebron did? (which is to change the color of uniform)

2. Do you have Ewing over Kobe all-time aswell?

If answer is NO: Isnt Kobe a "coward" for demanding to be traded when things got rough?

3. Do you have Ewing over Magic all-time aswell?

If answer is NO: Isnt Magic a "coward" for refusing to play in the NBA or for any other team/player (refusing to try winning it with scrubs etc.) which ultimately is the reason behind the amount of his championships.





You would answer YES in all of those if you dont contradict yourself/your logic.... its you who ranks Ewing over Lebron due to that "cowardness" factor afterall....

Is this a serious question?

[FKAri]

He did it to yo mom too while you just sat and watched dicc in hand

[HenryGarfunkle]

Is this a serious question?
^^

See Pauk, this is why you wasted your time

He's a guy with very slow cognitive function and extreme mental illness. He's not capable of talking seriously about basketball. He's just gonna deflect and post his unoriginal 2nd grade trolling material

Just insult his life and move on. He'll eventually go away

[Straight_Ballin]

^^

See Pauk, this is why you wasted your time

He's a guy with very slow cognitive function and extreme mental illness. He's not capable of talking seriously about basketball. He's just gonna deflect and post his unoriginal 2nd grade trolling material

Just insult his life and move on. He'll eventually go away

Your brilliant recommendation is for a guy like Pauk who writes lion essays about Lebron James to insult someone's life?

Please never give advice to anyone....like... ever. It's not your strong suit.

[stalkerforlife]

^^

See Pauk, this is why you wasted your time

He's a guy with very slow cognitive function and extreme mental illness. He's not capable of talking seriously about basketball. He's just gonna deflect and post his unoriginal 2nd grade trolling material

Just insult his life and move on. He'll eventually go away

No one asked you, Simon. :lol

[Beastmode88]

Got bron in my top 15 atm. Needs another ring to get into my top 10.

[GoatBoy]

My thoughts exactly, had alotta respect for the dude back in his first Cavs go around... Left there and he became more unlikable every day

[tomtucker]

the only thing he shouldn't have done is quitting on miami and then going back to cleveland........everyone had forgot about his previous mistakes, and people acknowledged he now was a part of the heat

But he left again to ring chase and that was dumb...........it was kind of like Lance armstrong coming back to race for no reason.....and then got caught/exposed..........ruined his whole career and legacy

[knicksman]

I respect curry and dirks 1 ring more than brans 2. It is what it is. Bran is a ringchaser and is ringchasing in his prime. Past prime ringchasers arent respected much more for a prime player. Ringchasing is a move done only by fakkits and only a fellow fakkit, aka betas, would respect that shit

[knicksman]

1. Do you have Ewing over Wilt, Shaq, Oscar, Kareem, West all-time aswell?

If answer is NO: Are they not "cowards" for doing the exact same thing Lebron did? (which is to change the color of uniform)

Shaq and kareem didnt collude.


2. Do you have Ewing over Kobe all-time aswell?

If answer is NO: Isnt Kobe a "coward" for demanding to be traded when things got rough?

Kobe demanded a trade coz management and him werent on the same page. Management wants to rebuild while kobe in his prime wants to win.


3. Do you have Ewing over Magic all-time aswell?

If answer is NO: Isnt Magic a "coward" for refusing to play in the NBA or for any other team/player (refusing to try winning it with scrubs etc.) which ultimately is the reason behind the amount of his championships.

Magic grab the opportunity. Being drafted is in the rulebook. This is different from brans free agency. Owners wants a max cap in team salaries and no cap in players salary for the reason that players might collude. But the players want the opposite so the owners give in thinking that no player is coward enough to exploit the system. Yet one day, a coward named bran colluded with his super friends.

[Gileraracer]

I think you are right

[sportjames23]

If you're a heat fan, then why u kiss brons miniature nuts all tha damn time?:biggums:


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Straight_Ballin]

I respect curry and dirks 1 ring more than brans 2. It is what it is. Bran is a ringchaser and is ringchasing in his prime. Past prime ringchasers arent respected much more for a prime player. Ringchasing is a move done only by fakkits and only a fellow fakkit, aka betas, would respect that shit

Can you imagine being one of the poor lil fakkits on here that was told time and time again the at the end of it all Bron would be some disrespected ring chaser that constantly complained about not having enough help? :lol

Sure enough that is exactly what happened. If ever there was an "I told you so" moment in basketball, this would be it. Some of these no life having losers have like 100,000+ post between their accounts praising this guy only to realize that they were wrong.

I can't even fathom how these types are going to continue on in life after taking such a crushing hit. Probably just throw on a Curry jersey and pretend like it all never happened.

[Pointguard]

If answer is NO: Isnt Magic a "coward" for refusing to play in the NBA or for any other team/player (refusing to try winning it with scrubs etc.) which ultimately is the reason behind the amount of his championships.


You realize this never happened right??? Its fiction.

[Kvnzhangyay]

I respect curry and dirks 1 ring more than brans 2. It is what it is. Bran is a ringchaser and is ringchasing in his prime. Past prime ringchasers arent respected much more for a prime player. Ringchasing is a move done only by fakkits and only a fellow fakkit, aka betas, would respect that shit

Ringchasing is the most alpha you can get, as you are not afraid of the criticism that occurs with being brave and alpha enough to ringchase. No refuting this

[kamil]

I highly doubt he cares what some internet weakling like you thinks

I think he does care since this is how the majority of basketball fans feel about him.

[diamenz]

Ringchasing is the most alpha you can get, as you are not afraid of the criticism that occurs with being brave and alpha enough to ringchase. No refuting this

you're like... one of those guys that cheats on his driving test, right?