Obama going all in vs ISIS

[Nick Young]

Hopefully Barry O turning the corner and going all in on the terrorist shits.

Let's go Barry O, please prove me wrong!


-o shit he just said he's giving more weapons and training to Syrian and Iraqi rebels.....


never mind.

[NumberSix]

Wow. More talk about gun control. Cool story brobama.

[Nick Young]

Wow. More talk about gun control. Cool story brobama.
He wants to prevent people on the terror watch list from buying guns. I support that 100%.


Every time I hear an Obama speech I get hyped, but then I get pissed because he never does what he says he'll do.

[BigNBAfan]

Wow. More talk about gun control. Cool story brobama.
http://www.dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/gun-conrol-dictator.jpg

When the people are no longer capable of defending themselves.

[KNOW1EDGE]

My ni99a killed that speech

[DonDadda59]

Barack Obama and Bill Clinton are the best political orators of their generation. :bowdown:

That's how you give a speech. Compare that to buffoons like Trump.

[NumberSix]

He wants to prevent people on the terror watch list from buying guns. I support that 100%.


Every time I hear an Obama speech I get hyped, but then I get pissed because he never does what he says he'll do.
Well, you haven't given it much thought then. The constitution is clear. Everyone is entitled to due process. You can't take away somebody's 2nd amendment rights who haven't been convicted of anything just because you put their name on some goofy list. No such law could be passed. Obama knows that fully well. He's just saying it for show. It's completely empty.

[BigNBAfan]

Well, you haven't given it much thought then. The constitution is clear. Everyone is entitled to due process. You can't take away somebody's 2nd amendment rights who haven't been convicted of anything just because you put their name on some goofy list. Obama knows that fully well. He's just saying it for show. It's completely empty.

Nick young is the most UnAmerican person i know.

[zoom17]

Barack Obama and Bill Clinton are the best political orators of their generation. :bowdown:

That's how you give a speech. Compare that to buffoons like Trump.

Meh.

[Nick Young]

Well, you haven't given it much thought then. The constitution is clear. Everyone is entitled to due process. You can't take away somebody's 2nd amendment rights who haven't been convicted of anything just because you put their name on some goofy list. No such law could be passed. Obama knows that fully well. He's just saying it for show. It's completely empty.
Patriot Act, son:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

Did you know there's people in Gitmo who haven't actually done anything wrong?

[NumberSix]

Barack Obama and Bill Clinton are the best political orators of their generation. :bowdown:

That's how you read a speech off a Teleprompter. Compare that to buffoons like Trump.
Fixed.

[WallIn]

*dropping leaflets intensifies*

[NumberSix]

Patriot Act, son:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:the constitution supersedes any other law.


Did you know there's people in Gitmo who haven't actually done anything wrong?
The constitution doesn't apply to them. That's the whole idea of putting them in Gitmo. Any person in the USA has certain constitutional protections, even if they aren't Americans. They aren't Americans and Gitmo isn't in the USA.

[Nick Young]

the constitution supersedes any other law.


The constitution doesn't apply to them. That's the whole idea of putting them in Gitmo. Any person in the USA has certain constitutional protections, even if they aren't Americans. They aren't Americans and Gitmo isn't in the USA.
You do know that Obama has had American citizens assassinated with drone strikes without giving them fair trial or due process, right? If he wants to stop terror suspects from buying assault weapons, he will find a way.

[dude77]

didn't watch it .. did he actually offer real solutions without taking shots at innocent americans ?

[NumberSix]

You do know that Obama has had American citizens assassinated with drone strikes without giving them fair trial or due process, right? If he wants to stop terror suspects from buying assault weapons, he will find a way.
No, actually he won't. If you think otherwise.... wait and see if it happens.

If he tries, somebody will challenge it just like with his little executive order on amnesty which he lost and will now go to the Supreme Court.

This wouldn't even go to the Supreme Court. They wouldn't waste their time hearing a case about Obama wanting to have the ability deny people their right to due process. It's a fcuking amendment. It's not up for discussion.

[dude77]

so I hear he scolded americans and told them to not discriminate lol .. I wonder if he even mentioned the sb victims

[NumberSix]

so I hear he scolded americans and told them to not discriminate lol .. I wonder if he even mentioned the sb victims
His was speech was

-our strategy is going swimmingly
-let's arm terrorists
-fcuk guns
-ISIS doesn't know anything about islam.
-America is racist.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

You do know that Obama has had American citizens assassinated with drone strikes without giving them fair trial or due process, right? If he wants to stop terror suspects from buying assault weapons, he will find a way.
0 percent chance he "finds a way".

1. He won't get it through congress.

2. If he tries to do it via executive order it will be probably illegal and at the very least an absolute disaster politically for his legacy and his party (2016 coming up).


And killing American citizens who are not in the process of imminently attacking the US should be illegal also.

[DrakeTheSnake]

He wants to prevent people on the terror watch list from buying guns. I support that 100%.


Every time I hear an Obama speech I get hyped, but then I get pissed because he never does what he says he'll do.

Agreed. NumberSix is just going to oppose Obama no matter what.

[DrakeTheSnake]

http://www.dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/gun-conrol-dictator.jpg

When the people are no longer capable of defending themselves.
You think you the guns civilians have now could actually stop the US military?

[senelcoolidge]

so I hear he scolded americans and told them to not discriminate lol .. I wonder if he even mentioned the sb victims

Hey before the bodies of those people were removed he was on tv pushing gun control. He didn't even condemn the act.

[BigNBAfan]

You think you the guns civilians have now could actually stop the US military?

No, but it gives atleast a fighting chance. I don't think the military would be fully functional if they declared war on its own civilians. I'd hope the members of the military are smart enough to make a decision of what's right vs wrong in such a situation. Either way, i wouldn't want to be a refugee, i'd go out gunning for my country and/or freedom, i aint no muzzie.

But why would i want to make matters worse by wanting to ban firearms... at that point it would be a clean sweep.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

so I hear he scolded americans and told them to not discriminate lol .. I wonder if he even mentioned the sb victims


1. Tells people not to discriminate.

2. Says to remove constitutional rights from a list consisting of mostly muslims without due process.

:facepalm

[9erempiree]

Hussein is really reaching this time.

We all know this is all talk on his part.

[Patrick Chewing]

Surprised anyone watched him speak tonight.


Is he an idiot? On a Sunday? **** that loser.

[DrakeTheSnake]

No, but it gives atleast a fighting chance. I don't think the military would be fully functional if they declared war on its own civilians. I'd hope the members of the military are smart enough to make a decision of what's right vs wrong in such a situation. Either way, i wouldn't want to be a refugee, i'd go out gunning for my country and/or freedom, i aint no muzzie.

But why would i want to make matters worse by wanting to ban firearms... at that point it would be a clean sweep.

Have you met the average 18 year old that enters the military? I doubt they would be any better about not following orders given from above than the Nazi soldiers were.

[KevinNYC]

http://www.dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/gun-conrol-dictator.jpg

When the people are no longer capable of defending themselves.

You don't really know if history if you believe that image is true.

Also in Iraq under Saddam Hussein gun ownership was widespread. Millions of AK-47s were in private hands

Celebratory gunfire at weddings was a common thing. This video is not from Iraq, but it would be a smaller scale version of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfSJpHaD9Lg

Iraq with a lot of guns was not free.

Today Germany and the UK have strict gun laws and they are free.

Also by 1938 Hitler had been pretty much an absolute dictator for 4 years. He consolidated power in the Night of the Long Knives where the Gestapo and the SS killed somewhere between 85 and 200 enemies of Hitler including the socialist wing of the Nazi party, potential rivals as well as anti-Nazi Conservatives. Something like 1,000 people were also arrested.

The next month Chancellor Hitler wrote a law saying that the President of Germany would not be replaced after the current one who was on his death bed died. Hitler became Leader and took the last remaining power he didn't have, Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces.

That was 1934.

In January 1933 Hitler was appointed Chancellor. Within two months, thousands of Communists were arrested and Germans no longer had freedom of the press or the right to assemble. And Hitler had the power equivalent to the American President, Congress and the Supreme Court. He could write laws and pass laws by himself even laws that violated the German constitution.

After the Communists were banned, the Social Democratic party was banned, the heads of the Trade Unions arrested and by July 1933, it was illegal to form a political party.

[Nick Young]

0 percent chance he "finds a way".

1. He won't get it through congress.

2. If he tries to do it via executive order it will be probably illegal and at the very least an absolute disaster politically for his legacy and his party (2016 coming up).


And killing American citizens who are not in the process of imminently attacking the US should be illegal also.
It is illegal but he did it anyway and no one said shit.

[KevinNYC]

The 1938 German Weapons Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legislation_in_Germany#Gun_regulation_of_the_T hird_Reich) did not take guns away from German citizens, it liberalized the existing gun laws from 1928 (which were established because group like the Nazi and the Communists often had gun battles in the streets.)

Gun regulation of the Third Reich
The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. But under the new law:
Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition.The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as was the possession of ammunition."
The legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18.
Permits were valid for three years, rather than one year.
The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP (the National Socialist German Workers' Party, aka the Nazi party) members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.

Manufacture of arms and ammunition continued to require a permit, with the revision that such permits would no longer be issued to Jews or any company part-owned by Jews. Jews were consequently forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.

Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.

Disarming Jews in Nazi Germany
On November 11, 1938 (the day after Kristallnacht) the Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons were promulgated by Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, effectively depriving all Jews living under the Third Reich of the right to possess any form of weapons including truncheons, knives, or firearms and ammunition.
Before that, some police forces used the pre-existing "trustworthiness" clause to disarm Jews on the basis that "the Jewish population 'cannot be regarded as trustworthy'".

[KevinNYC]

How did Jews in Germany fare from 1933-1938 before these gun laws?

[KevinNYC]

interesting take on airpower vs boots on the ground

https://twitter.com/7im/timelines/673689270419230721

[RoundMoundOfReb]

interesting take on airpower vs boots on the ground

https://twitter.com/7im/timelines/673689270419230721


I'm assuming the argument is isn't airpower or troops, it's airpower or troops and airpower.

[poido123]

Barack Obama and Bill Clinton are the best political orators of their generation. :bowdown:

That's how you give a speech. Compare that to buffoons like Trump.



Trump will get in and the world will be better for it.


Deal with it.

You might not like his hardline approach, but what ISN'T being done is making the world far worse.


Europe is slowly declining, America is losing faith from old allies and siding with evil, Black vs white tension in america has got worse, PC world is getting in the way of necessary change.


It cannot go on like this, down this path. We need some extreme measures to curb Islamic influence throughout the west/european world.

[Dresta]

Barack Obama and Bill Clinton are the best political orators of their generation. :bowdown:

That's how you give a speech. Compare that to buffoons like Trump.
All three of them are so poor at public speaking that they don't even warrant the term 'orator' - Obama himself is completely lost without his precious teleprompter, which really tells you something about his lack of acumen.

If you'd like to prove me wrong, please point to any speech of his with some actual substance to it, any point he made that has turned out to be remarkably prescient, or even some poetic imagery - you can't, because the man talks in chants and slogans - he is pastor turned President, and that's why he thinks it's his duty to take the whole human family under his very special protection.

"**** the Constitution, and **** the law" Obama says, "just tell me about your feelings and emotions, and i'll base my redress around that."

As i said, turning the Executive office into a kind of all-powerful high priest, who solves all the ills of society - so of course, natural followers and worshippers lap this shit up, and worship the man like DonDadda and KevinNYC and many others do. The job of the Executive is to execute the law, but Obama has never understood that, because he really knows next to nothing about American traditions - and he carries those Americans who are equally ignorant regarding them along in his wake. Tis pretty easy when you can tug at heartstrings with a few facile and cliched slogans.

His was speech was

-our strategy is going swimmingly
-let's arm terrorists
-fcuk guns
-ISIS doesn't know anything about islam.
-America is racist.
:roll:

Typical Obama. Funny how he says the same inane things over and over again, and yet he still can't relate these inane points without the aid of a teleprompter. And he's still bandying on about this imaginary 'moderate opposition' that he keeps arming (basically throwing US tax-payer money down the toilet), in the face of what every intelligence expert is saying about the Syrian opposition (that it is basically all Islamist - there is no substantial force of 'moderate' and every attempt to train such a group has failed miserably, several times already).

I thought doing the same thing over and over again, in the face of its constant failure, was a sure sign of madness? Or is this administration redefining that word too?

Now, sanity = switching sides mid-war and pretending there's nothing inconsistent about doing so. Hello 1984: we've actually reached the point where politicians can change sides in a war and most of the populace not even notice, and go along with it anyway. Now that's prescience.

[Dresta]

interesting take on airpower vs boots on the ground

https://twitter.com/7im/timelines/673689270419230721
:lol

Interesting take? It would make a bit of sense i guess if there weren't boots on the ground that we have repeatedly refused to cooperate with or aid, despite their having taken many heavy defeats from IS. As it is: it is completely nonsensical. Obama's strategy is highly idiotic and has led nowhere. If he had been willing to cooperate with the Assad regime then Palmyra would never have fallen to IS, but alas, Obama seems to care more about the good graces of the Turks and Saudis - the people who, more than any, created this mess.

Instead he's too busy trying to fight a pr battle with Russia, and in Obama's world, pr is about 1000x more important than defeating IS. What a clown - and his slavish supporters are even worse than the man himself; what pathetic, subservient people they must be.

[KevinNYC]

:lol

Interesting take? It would make a bit of sense i guess if there weren't boots on the ground that we have repeatedly refused to cooperate with or aid, despite their having taken many heavy defeats from IS.

The point I found interesting and what you seem to overlook is ISIS's apocalyptic philosophy which she says wants a US invasion.
Rukmini Callimachi ‏@rcallimachi
ISIS propaganda is rife with references to scriptural prophecy regarding the last great battle of our time which will begin when The "Romans" (us) invade Dabiq, a town that still exists today in Syria. In scripture that battle sets the stage for the end of times

[Dresta]

The point I found interesting and what you seem to overlook is ISIS's apocalyptic philosophy which she says wants a US invasion.
People have been saying this for at least 6 months or so - where have you been?

Why do you think they've been as deliberately provocative and barbaric as possible? It isn't just for kicks, that's for sure. Their obvious desire is to create a direct conflict or schism between the Islamic world and the West - that has been clear for ages. It also shows why allowing in masses of migrants from the region is a huge mistake (higher likelihood of attacks, which can only lead to increased social division and polarisation). People will not be able to stand mass-carnage on the streets of their capital cities for too long before they lash out against a scapegoat - tis only natural, and the policies of Obama, Merkel and co. are making it almost inevitable in the long run. What happens when they take out a school like they did in Pakistan, for example? Nothing creates hysteria in the West like the slaughter of children. These politicians just don't seem to be focused on prevention at all - their policies are incredibly reckless, and we will reap the consequences.

Western politicians are for some reason busy piling unnecessary risk on top of unnecessary risk, and then lecturing their citizens as to why they need to throw away the liberties it took centuries to acquire for their own safety. All the while we drift closer and closer to living in military/surveillance states, with due process and jury trial already eliminated in many parts of Europe, and American politicians desperate to rid themselves of it over here.

The right to silence, your 5th Amendment, which was drawn from the English common law, has already been abolished in the place it originated. And most people don't even notice that these things have happened, or that anything has changed, because they have been made complacent by the ease and luxury of life in the West.

[NumberSix]

The point I found interesting and what you seem to overlook is ISIS's apocalyptic philosophy which she says wants a US invasion.
And when the United States completely wipes the floor with them in about 6 days and proves their prophecy false, or this at the very least being a false alarm, perhaps Muslims across the world will be a little less motivated to participate in "end of days" inspired jihad?

Oh sure, they'll still believe this prophecy will eventually come true some day, like maybe 500 years from now. But in the meantime, they can calm the fcuk down.

[LJJ]

interesting take on airpower vs boots on the ground

https://twitter.com/7im/timelines/673689270419230721

The most important part is this:



The proxy forces fighting ISIS are nearly all Kurdish (YPG, Peshmarga, PKK), And they will only fight for historically Kurdish areas.

The cities that need to be taken back (Mosul, Raqqa etc) are mostly Sunni, not Kurdish, and the U.S. has yet to find a Sunni proxy force.


There is a big, secular, organized and moderate Sunni military in Syria who will fight for all of Syria, it's called the Syrian Arab Army. The US has mostly been doing everything they can to ensure as many of these moderate, secular Syrian soldiers are killed by Islamists.

[Draz]

Goat

[CeltsGarlic]

moderate!!!!! my fav word of all time!

[KevinNYC]

The most important part is this:




There is a big, secular, organized and moderate Sunni military in Syria who will fight for all of Syria, it's called the Syrian Arab Army. The US has mostly been doing everything they can to ensure as many of these moderate, secular Syrian soldiers are killed by Islamists.I thought that part about the Kurds not going all the to Mosul was interesting too.

The Syrian army is not Sunni at the officer level and key roles like Air Force logistics are kept in the hands of the Alawites. This analysis is from May 2011.

Syrian Alawites are stacked in the military from both the top and the bottom, keeping the army's mostly Sunni 2nd Division commanders in check. Of the 200,000 career soldiers in the Syrian army, roughly 70 percent are Alawites. Some 80 percent of officers in the army are also believed to be Alawites. The military's most elite division, the Republican Guard, led by the president's younger brother Maher al Assad, is an all-Alawite force. Syria's ground forces are organized in three corps (consisting of combined artillery, armor and mechanized infantry units). Two corps are led by Alawites (Damascus headquarters, which commands southeastern Syria, and Zabadani headquarters near the Lebanese border). The third is led by a Circassian Sunni from Aleppo headquarters.

Most of Syria's 300,000 conscripts are Sunnis who complete their two- to three-year compulsory military service and leave the military, though the decline of Syrian agriculture has been forcing more rural Sunnis to remain beyond the compulsory period (a process the regime is tightly monitoring). Even though most of Syria's air force pilots are Sunnis, most ground support crews are Alawites who control logistics, telecommunications and maintenance, thereby preventing potential Sunni air force dissenters from acting unilaterally. Syria's air force intelligence, dominated by Alawites, is one of the strongest intelligence agencies within the security apparatus and has a core function of ensuring that Sunni pilots do not rebel against the regime.

By 2013 it was down to 178,000: