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KevinNYC
12-07-2015, 06:22 PM
Donald J. Trump called on Monday for the United States to bar all Muslims from entering the country until the nation’s leaders can “figure out what is going on,” an extraordinary escalation of his harsh rhetoric aimed at members of the Islamic faith in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks in Paris and San Bernardino, Calif.

“Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine,” said Mr. Trump, the leading Republican candidate for his party’s 2016 presidential nomination.

“Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life,” he said.

A spokeswoman for Mr. Trump confirmed the authenticity of the statement. Asked what prompted it, Mr. Trump said, “death,” according to the spokeswoman.

He can't tell the difference between

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/27/1414372441312_Image_galleryImage_Malala_Yousafzai_ puts_on_.JPG

and

http://newsfoxes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/371210_Al-Baghdadi.jpg

Draz
12-07-2015, 06:27 PM
How this guy has any support goes beyond me

KevinNYC
12-07-2015, 06:34 PM
He's quoted a poll from a guy who is Wiki bio begins this way.
Frank J. Gaffney, Jr. is an American who is founder and president of the Center for Security Policy and a proponent of conspiracy theories

In a 2010 column for Breitbart.com, Gaffney argued that the Missile Defense Agency logo “appears ominously to reflect a morphing of the Islamic crescent and star with the Obama campaign logo” and is part of a “worrying pattern of official U.S. submission to Islam.”

~primetime~
12-07-2015, 06:36 PM
How this guy has any support goes beyond me
It blows my mind as well

I feel like Trump makes Bush Jr look like Einstein

Draz
12-07-2015, 06:38 PM
It's fcked up. He's bringing down an entire population of innocent people who will be targeted because of his support from people who religiously believe in him.

DrakeTheSnake
12-07-2015, 06:39 PM
Trump as president would no doubt create more terrorists with his anti-Muslim hate. How could anybody be surprised by an anti-American upswing if America is anti-Muslim?

KevinNYC
12-07-2015, 06:39 PM
Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump wants to bar all Muslims from entering the United States.

In a statement from his campaign, Trump called for a "total and complete shutdown" of Muslims entering the United States until elected leaders can "figure out what is going on."

When asked by The Hill whether that would include Muslim-American citizens currently abroad, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks replied over email: "Mr. Trump says, 'everyone.'"

So the Muslim-Americans serving overseas in our Armed Forces would not be allowed home.

Trollsmasher
12-07-2015, 06:48 PM
http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/moderate-muslims.jpg

of course regressive leftists like OP would support a mass muslim migration into the West

your freudian affinity for totalitarianism and submissive nature just makes you drool over seeing those hordes on our borders as you can't wait to get into the prayer position with your ass looking up to Allah, begging him to mount you

lefties are really the biggest victims of the dead church... your hearts have a hole inside them and you long for it being filled... by anything that fits at least in some way

Derka
12-07-2015, 06:49 PM
How this guy has any support goes beyond me
Because the United States is full of absurdly gullible people.

UK2K
12-07-2015, 07:02 PM
I like a lot of his ideas (you can't hate on them all you want, but he's got the protection of the American people in mind first and foremost) but you can't just ban a group because if their religion.

Unless of course that religion preaches hate...

BigNBAfan
12-07-2015, 07:07 PM
Dont let them come in, kick the ones that are already here. They're all scumbags with the same ideologies.

DonDadda59
12-07-2015, 07:10 PM
He's just gonna deny he said it, like always. He just has diarrhea of the mouth. He's an adult-sized toddler.

poido123
12-07-2015, 07:17 PM
He can't tell the difference between

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/27/1414372441312_Image_galleryImage_Malala_Yousafzai_ puts_on_.JPG

and

http://newsfoxes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/371210_Al-Baghdadi.jpg



You have to ban the lot to protect national security.

I don't know how you don't see that? Do you think it's easier to go through every single muslim and do a thorough check as to if or when they will commit acts of violence as a muslim?


No, you ban the lot.

poido123
12-07-2015, 07:18 PM
It's fcked up. He's bringing down an entire population of innocent people who will be targeted because of his support from people who religiously believe in him.



why worry about it, unless you are muslim?


Im sure they will be fine. they can go back to cultures they are much more familiar with, not leaching off the western/european societies.

Levity
12-07-2015, 07:19 PM
How this guy has any support goes beyond me

i feel your typical uneducated american, IE: the "robble robble robble" crowd, love hearing assinine statements like that

LJJ
12-07-2015, 07:26 PM
How this guy has any support goes beyond me

No doubt. Trump and that black dude who thinks Pyramids are grain silos are clowns. We are all laughing at it, but if we were talking about my country I would just be sad and ashamed.

poido123
12-07-2015, 07:30 PM
Trump says some outrageous things, but lets not forget that this world is slowly closing in on itself with all this PC bullshit.


Trump helps fight back against this black cloud.


He will also form a strong alliance with Putin against terrorists and the rise of Islamic domination throughout the world.


Moderates here can sit and deny this is happening, but there's no doubt that Islam is cancering into every corner of Western/european society with their ridiculous demands and expectations.

KevinNYC
12-07-2015, 07:31 PM
He's just gonna deny he said it, like always. He just has diarrhea of the mouth. He's an adult-sized toddler.
It was an official written statement from his campaign.

He started losing in Iowa and felt the need to drop the mask.

Nanners
12-07-2015, 07:31 PM
trump is doing everything he can to ensure hilary is elected

KevinNYC
12-07-2015, 07:41 PM
trump is doing everything he can to ensure hilary is elected
yeah, I learned of this from a fairly conservative guy on Twitter saying that he thinks Trump is a Hillary plant.

KevinNYC
12-07-2015, 07:54 PM
He started losing in Iowa and felt the need to drop the mask.I guess I'm not the only one thinking that

JamesVGrimaldi ‏@JamesVGrimaldi 1h
Trailing Ted Cruz in Iowa, Donald Trump calls for ban on Muslims coming to U.S.

Donald Trump Calls for Ban on Muslim Entry Into U.S.
Announcement comes hours after poll of Iowa Republicans shows Trump trailing Sen. Ted Cruz

Trollsmasher
12-07-2015, 08:01 PM
I guess I'm not the only one thinking that
what a great thinker you are

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-iowa-poll/index.html

not

Godzuki
12-07-2015, 08:32 PM
trump is the only one willing to make the tough calls while you PC pansies are scared to piss the terrorists off. lmao @ "create more terrorists"....scared bitches :applause:

if you can become one that easy then u deserve to be fukkin banned. ya'll are some simple minded mfers :facepalm

DonDadda59
12-07-2015, 08:35 PM
trump is the only one willing to make the tough calls while you PC pansies are scared to piss the terrorists off. lmao @ "create more terrorists"....scared bitches :applause:

if you can become one that easy then u deserve to be fukkin banned. ya'll are some simple minded mfers :facepalm

And you sir, are a political genius. Way ahead of your time. :applause:

Godzuki
12-07-2015, 08:42 PM
and while were at it how the fukk are those terrorist ninja costumes not banned yet with this female jihad fad? :biggums:

such a joke how there is this pretense we dont discriminate when its obvious every mfer at a airport is scrutinizing every dressed up muslim. liberals are so fake it disgusts me :sleeping

Godzuki
12-07-2015, 08:43 PM
And you sir, are a political genius. Way ahead of your time. :applause:

im right 99.7% of the time. ive done the math :pimp:

Draz
12-07-2015, 08:52 PM
why worry about it, unless you are muslim?


Im sure they will be fine. they can go back to cultures they are much more familiar with, not leaching off the western/european societies.
I'm not Muslim.. I come from a Hindu background but still you know.. Just so much innocent people that were risking their well being because someone with power paints them all as that.

And it's easy to have the "protection of the American people" with looking only in one direction. He's taking advantage over that. No one else is he's capitalizing on that.

KevinNYC
12-07-2015, 09:22 PM
what a great thinker you are

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-iowa-poll/index.html

not


Also on CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/ted-cruz-donald-trump-iowa-poll/)


Washington (CNN)Ted Cruz has overtaken Donald Trump in Iowa, according to a Monmouth University survey of Iowa Republicans released Monday.

If the caucuses were held today, Cruz would win with 24% support to Trump's 19% backing. Marco Rubio comes in a close third with 17% and Ben Carson, who was beating Trump 32%-18% in the last Monmouth University poll, has fallen to 13% support.

Behind the Cruz surge is support among evangelicals -- a decisive voting bloc in Iowa -- who selected Cruz over Trump 30%-18%.

NumberSix
12-07-2015, 09:35 PM
I didn't see this, but I take it that he said something along the lines of putting a pause on Muslim immigration until the ISIS problem is taken care of. If that is indeed what he said, then that's "well duh, of course" level of obvious.

senelcoolidge
12-07-2015, 09:44 PM
trump is doing everything he can to ensure hilary is elected

I would vote for any of the Repubs over crooked Clinton. Lesser of two evils. People that vote for that lady hate this country.

9erempiree
12-07-2015, 10:26 PM
It's fcked up. He's bringing down an entire population of innocent people who will be targeted because of his support from people who religiously believe in him.

Lets put it this way and no offense to Blacks....but lets say there were 5 black guys in a convenient store and the convenient store was robbed. Witness identified the suspect as Black and he's the lone robber.

Should the cops just guess which one they are and let the other 4 go?

Same thing here with Trump....you can't tell which is for real and which are terrorists...therefore ban them from entering the country.

Just like a cop would hold all 5 black guys.

Draz
12-07-2015, 10:33 PM
Lets put it this way and no offense to Blacks....but lets say there were 5 black guys in a convenient store and the convenient store was robbed. Witness identified the suspect as Black and he's the lone robber.

Should the cops just guess which one they are and let the other 4 go?

Same thing here with Trump....you can't tell which is for real and which are terrorists...therefore ban them from entering the country.

Just like a cop would hold all 5 black guys.
Personally, I'm all for everyone's well being. But it shouldn't come to this to have us worry about security. It starts off with the dumbass laws we don't have. I mean come on. Allowing people who are prone to commit crimes with the guns they can obtain?

poido123
12-07-2015, 10:34 PM
I'm not Muslim.. I come from a Hindu background but still you know.. Just so much innocent people that were risking their well being because someone with power paints them all as that.

And it's easy to have the "protection of the American people" with looking only in one direction. He's taking advantage over that. No one else is he's capitalizing on that.


9/11 was enough grounds to call a ban on Islam and people practising it.

I'm very sympathetic to those who are doing the right thing, but we cannot continue to allow the bad ones to hide among the crowd and go unchecked.


A drastic measure like this is the ONLY way to get them out of societies, however unfortunate the decision may be to those who do the right thing.

KevinNYC
12-07-2015, 10:41 PM
Lets put it this way and no offense to Blacks....but lets say there were 5 black guys in a convenient store and the convenient store was robbed. Witness identified the suspect as Black and he's the lone robber.

Should the cops just guess which one they are and let the other 4 go?

Same thing here with Trump....you can't tell which is for real and which are terrorists...therefore ban them from entering the country.

Just like a cop would hold all 5 black guys.
This might be mother****ing peak ISH. So you mean white witnesses right?

Because there's just no way the non-criminal black guys could be a witness right? And there's no way the white witness would be able to distinguish between any of the black guys right?

And black gets you much closer than muslim

This guy in or out?
http://www.pravmir.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/317-600x399.jpg

How about this guy?In or out?
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/090318-John-Walker-Lindh-vsmall-12p.jpg

How about this guy?In or out?
http://www.madhyamam.com/en/sites/default/files/imagecache/w604/david%20colman.jpg

Also so you think the proper ratio we're talking about is 4 innocents for every 1 guitly? Because to make your metaphor work, it would be more like there's 10,000 black guys in a town and when one black is witnessed robbing a store, they all get arrested.

KevinNYC
12-07-2015, 11:00 PM
What about this guy?

http://i.imgur.com/sNgLs4P.gif

DrakeTheSnake
12-08-2015, 01:12 AM
trump is the only one willing to make the tough calls while you PC pansies are scared to piss the terrorists off. lmao @ "create more terrorists"....scared bitches :applause:

if you can become one that easy then u deserve to be fukkin banned. ya'll are some simple minded mfers :facepalm
ISIS is already radicalizing people to go on murder/suicide rampages. You think more anti-Muslim sentiments won't make it easier for them to recruit?

imdaman99
12-08-2015, 01:50 AM
ISIS is already radicalizing people to go on murder/suicide rampages. You think more anti-Muslim sentiments won't make it easier for them to recruit?
Didn't you know? The only way to get to ISIS is by alienating people that have nothing to do with ISIS :pimp:

poido123
12-08-2015, 02:04 AM
Didn't you know? The only way to get to ISIS is by alienating people that have nothing to do with ISIS :pimp:


Well they trojan horse into Europe on the back of "refugees".


There are more ISIS operatives in Europe than there are in Syria right now. That probably applies for America too.


How do you suggest that we get them out? Would you rather we just flat out ban Mosques and the Quran and any form of Islamic worship instead?

imdaman99
12-08-2015, 02:08 AM
Well they trojan horse into Europe on the back of "refugees".


There are more ISIS operatives in Europe than there are in Syria right now. That probably applies for America too.


How do you suggest that we get them out? Would you rather we just flat out ban Mosques and the Quran and any form of Islamic worship instead?
Put us in concentration camps and take away all of our iphones. I can't see any other way :confusedshrug:

What is this WE business? Are you moving to the US?

poido123
12-08-2015, 02:14 AM
Put us in concentration camps and take away all of our iphones. I can't see any other way :confusedshrug:

What is this WE business? Are you moving to the US?


"We" being the western/european nations taking in your rabble cousins who can't put up with the mess they live in and leech of western/european society.

No one here is saying concentration camps. Just a simple deportation and arrangement to place muslims back into cultures in which they actually fit in.

oh the horror
12-08-2015, 02:17 AM
If anyone informs me that they support trump I'm pretty much done talking to them. To me that person isn't worth speaking to. It's just that simple. I've shut down on this guy, his supporters and anything he has to say.

imdaman99
12-08-2015, 02:21 AM
No one here is saying concentration camps. Just a simple deportation and arrangement to place muslims back into cultures in which they actually fit in.
:roll: :roll: :roll: I sure as hell hope you aren't being serious there man :facepalm

If I grew up here and am an asset to this country, you want me back in the country I wasn't even raised in? :roll:

oh the horror
12-08-2015, 02:27 AM
"We" being the western/european nations taking in your rabble cousins who can't put up with the mess they live in and leech of western/european society.

No one here is saying concentration camps. Just a simple deportation and arrangement to place muslims back into cultures in which they actually fit in.




Do you even fathom what you're saying right now and how insane it sounds?


Holy shit the problem is this country is far deeper than Muslim people and this ugliness is really deep rooted.

poido123
12-08-2015, 03:13 AM
:roll: :roll: :roll: I sure as hell hope you aren't being serious there man :facepalm

If I grew up here and am an asset to this country, you want me back in the country I wasn't even raised in? :roll:


Practice Islam in an Islamic country. Take your pick.


I don't accept your mosques or accept your doctrines. I don't want to see anymore Islamophication of my society. The religion is totally incompatible with a western/european society.

Unless of course we make allowances to appease your religion. Ie having mosques and halal certification.

poido123
12-08-2015, 03:14 AM
Do you even fathom what you're saying right now and how insane it sounds?


Holy shit the problem is this country is far deeper than Muslim people and this ugliness is really deep rooted.


It's a national threat. There are people killing in the name of Islam in masses.

Do you suggest a better way to weed out these soon to be or current radicals out of our society?


I don't.

dude77
12-08-2015, 03:17 AM
If anyone informs me that they support trump I'm pretty much done talking to them. To me that person isn't worth speaking to. It's just that simple. I've shut down on this guy, his supporters and anything he has to say.

lol spoken like the typical limp wristed liberal who can't have a discussion with anyone who disagrees with them .. liberals are disgusting little creatures

DrakeTheSnake
12-08-2015, 12:50 PM
Crazy that the same religious nuts that are afraid Obama will take away their precious 2nd amendment want Trump to take away religious freedom from others. :facepalm

dude77
12-08-2015, 01:29 PM
Crazy that the same religious nuts that are afraid Obama will take away their precious 2nd amendment want Trump to take away religious freedom from others. :facepalm

when did trump say he wanted to take away religious freedom from others ?

Nanners
12-08-2015, 01:34 PM
when did trump say he wanted to take away religious freedom from others ?


When asked by The Hill whether that would include Muslim-American citizens currently abroad, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks replied over email: "Mr. Trump says, 'everyone.'"

limiting the movements of muslim-american citizens would be a violation of the first amendment.


Everson v. Board of Education:

"The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions or prefer one religion over another."

rezznor
12-08-2015, 01:40 PM
Practice Islam in an Islamic country. Take your pick.


I don't accept your mosques or accept your doctrines. I don't want to see anymore Islamophication of my society. The religion is totally incompatible with a western/european society.

Unless of course we make allowances to appease your religion. Ie having mosques and halal certification.
unless you are an aborigine i suggest you get out of australia.

dude77
12-08-2015, 01:41 PM
limiting the movements of muslim-american citizens would be a violation of the first amendment.

yes it would .. but in an interview this morning he said muslim servicemen wouldn't be banned .. so he's not for banning american citizens .. that's a misunderstanding .. she shouldn't have said that

KevinNYC
12-08-2015, 01:49 PM
yes it would .. but in an interview this morning he said muslim servicemen wouldn't be banned .. so he's not for banning american citizens .. that's a misunderstanding .. she shouldn't have said that"She" didn't say it. She was quoting her boss.

When asked by The Hill whether that would include Muslim-American citizens currently abroad, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks replied over email: "Mr. Trump says, 'everyone.'"

It's just another example of Trump not thinking through the shit he says.

senelcoolidge
12-08-2015, 01:52 PM
You can't stop all muslims from coming into the country. What he should do is stop certain people from certain countries from coming in, for example such as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and others.

gigantes
12-08-2015, 03:06 PM
How this guy has any support goes beyond me
along the lines of the dunning-kruger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) scale, i suspect that the less intelligent you are, the more likely you are to be persuaded by simple and powerful-sounding ideas... even better if there's no direct risk to you nor immediate price to pay.

that way you can fall for a nitwit like bush junior, learn nothing from the ensuing mess, then up the ante by supporting tea partiers and dimwits like trump and carson. to the world you look like a chump being hustled by the three-card monte, but you're barely aware and consider the world hostile and unappreciative, anyway.

I.Malcolm
12-08-2015, 03:49 PM
How in the world would you even enforce this? Are you assuming that Muslim terrorists aren't going to lie to get into the country?

Security
"Before you can come into the USA you must tell us if you are Muslim"

Terrorist
"Nope, Praise the Christian God. Guns, bibles, and KFC yee-haw."

It's absurd. The same people thinking this will work probably roll their eyes at gun control. Gun control only stops law abiding citizens, just like a blanket religious ban will only stop law abiding Muslims.

Derka
12-08-2015, 04:03 PM
How in the world would you even enforce this? Are you assuming that Muslim terrorists aren't going to lie to get into the country?

Security
"Before you can come into the USA you must tell us if you are Muslim"

Terrorist
"Nope, Praise the Christian God. Guns, bibles, and KFC yee-haw."

It's absurd. The same people thinking this will work probably roll their eyes at gun control. Gun control only stops law abiding citizens, just like a blanket religious ban will only stop law abiding Muslims.

It doesn't matter whether its enforceable or not. That's not the point of stuff like this. Trump isn't trying to actually put solutions out there that stand up to any sort of scrutiny; nothing he's offered so far makes even a shred of sense to anyone paying even a little bit of attention.

All of this is for show. He knows that our elections are nothing more than a popularity contest. The guy OWNED a popularity contest for years...he knows how it works. He knows that by saying what whacko Americans who honestly believe that Muslims are lurking around every corner waiting to blow them up want to hear, they're going to cheerlead for him and invent all manner of absurd justifications for doing so. He's hardly the first candidate to do this.

imdaman99
12-08-2015, 04:20 PM
Practice Islam in an Islamic country. Take your pick.


I don't accept your mosques or accept your doctrines. I don't want to see anymore Islamophication of my society. The religion is totally incompatible with a western/european society.

Unless of course we make allowances to appease your religion. Ie having mosques and halal certification.
:wtf: Dude, that is a dangerous way of thinking. You need better places to vent. ISH is not the place for it.

Godzuki
12-08-2015, 04:29 PM
i swear the liberals on ISH are some of the most retarded mf'ers on the planet next to 12 yr old beiber fan girls :facepalm

its like the dumbasses who bring up the Crusades to pretend Christians are just as bad as the muslims :roll: :roll: :roll:

y'all dont even argue in reality, you give no realistic solutions, you're just a bunch of politically correct sheep pansies who aren't honest about shit. y'all have a combined IQ of jameer x oh the horror x the man which still comes out to zero :coleman:

its ridiculous to me that some of the most common sense shit has to be explained to some of you. you stupid mf'ers didn't know terrorists hide behind others and that allowing a influx of refugees creates a much greater chance of terrorism? thats common sense to most of us. how some of you need to be explained this is unfukkin believable :biggums:

what is Obama's solution? to have a beer like he did with that professor and cop? to sit out and watch like he did ISIS while they tore thru Iraq and took all of the weapons we provided to the Iraqi military? to keep yappin like we're waging some war on ISIS but ISIS just continues to grow stronger? u know its sad when they're more worried about Russia and China when we have 100x's their military strength :coleman:

liberals, the non current events reading sheep of ISH, keep doing what u pansies do. go joiin black lives matter, Greenpeace, protest Mike Brown instead of the clueless yappin u do here fgts :pimp: