Offensive and Defensive +/- career leaders over the past 15 years

[Gus Hemmingway]

Garnett's defense :eek:

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[Doranku]

Great stat. Amir Johnson and B-Diddy >>> Shaq easily.

[TommyGriffin]

I'll have 2 cheeseburgers, medium fries, and a water.

[ISHGoat]

Bruh, we all know that stats have an anti-kobe agenda and are lebron dickriders so what are you trying to prove?

[stalkerforlife]

OP's being put in the torture chamber.

Talk about a backfire.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Bruh, we all know that stats have an anti-kobe agenda and are lebron dickriders so what are you trying to prove?


Wait, you're right.

Posting facts means: 10 alts, melting down and rent free :roll:

[Gus Hemmingway]

Great stat. Amir Johnson and B-Diddy >>> Shaq easily.


Wanna know another one? Here ya go

Kobe's career TS% is .552.

League average is .531

League leaders are around .700,

.552 would have ranked 66th percentile last year.

SHOOT KOBE SHOOT!

braces for "rent free" "meltdown" "recycled gif" "crying kobe fans"

[ISHGoat]

Great stat. Amir Johnson and B-Diddy >>> Shaq easily.

Great kobe-stan logic.

"Gee I found two anomalies I guess the entire model is invalid"

[TommyGriffin]

Wait, you're right.

Posting facts means: 10 alts, melting down and rent free :roll:
Kid, it's been over 10 minutes now and I still don't have my food. I'm gonna have to speak with the Manager. Get dubeta out here now please.

[FireDavidKahn]

Garnett shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, he was a transcendental and one of the GOAT

[knicksman]

bran stans are clinging to irrelevant stats. LOL Heres the most relevant stat in ranking players. 2/6, 5/7

[Gus Hemmingway]

bran stans are clinging to irrelevant stats. LOL Heres the most relevant stat in ranking players. 2/6, 5/7

Aww I know it hurts to see individual statistical measures :cry:

Sorry, child, championships aren't "relevant" in "ranking players", it's a team accomplishment :lol

But lets use your "relevant" logic, shall we?

Sam Jones, Havlicek, Horry, Sanders >> Jordan, Magic, Bird :roll:

[Marchesk]

Confirmed: Rubio > Curry

:coleman:

[SpaceJam]

John Stockton holding it DOWN

[MEB2kDeez]

Roses are red, violets are blue, OP is a fakkit...this we all knew

[HOoopCityJones]

Lebron was a defensive juggernaught from 2001-15 according to OP.

Dirk too. :roll:

[knicksman]

Aww I know it hurts to see individual statistical measures :cry:

Sorry, child, championships aren't "relevant" in "ranking players", it's a team accomplishment :lol

But lets use your "relevant" logic, shall we?

Sam Jones, Havlicek, Horry, Sanders >> Jordan, Magic, Bird :roll:

only losers make excuses brah. 2/6<<5/7

[Gus Hemmingway]

Lebron was a defensive juggernaught from 2001-15 according to OP.

Dirk too. :roll:

According to this guy, he thinks +2 and +1, is being a defensive jugernaut

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[Gus Hemmingway]

only losers make excuses brah. 2/6<<5/7

Agreed!

5/6 >>> 5/7

Duncan >>> Kobe

:cheers:

[dubnation]

Not surprising. Not saying +/- is the end all be all statistic, but Kobe in general tends to fare very poorly when it comes to advanced stats...

[knicksman]

Agreed!

5/6 >>> 5/7

Duncan >>> Kobe

:cheers:

is life as a loser tough brah? You seem to have no life but trolling:lol

[Artillery]

Lebron, Manu, Wade, and Pierce way above Bryant. Kirby aint't even a top 3 wing in his own era.

[KirbyPls]

Not surprising. Not saying +/- is the end all be all statistic, but Kobe in general tends to fare very poorly when it comes to advanced stats...

Quiet down please. Stats are prejudice against Kobe. Everyone knows that. :mad:

[FireDavidKahn]

Not surprising. Not saying +/- is the end all be all statistic, but Kobe in general tends to fare very poorly when it comes to advanced stats...
The larger the sample size the more accurate +/- becomes. Not a be all end all like you said, but it's a very good indicator

[Round Mound]

Kobe is more a top 20-25 player of all time. Ive always said this and some of his fans get mad. He was like a less efficient version of MJ. Which is still quite good though.

[dhsilv]

The larger the sample size the more accurate +/- becomes. Not a be all end all like you said, but it's a very good indicator

Yes and no. Yes it's more accurate. However do we care or want to weight the last 5 year's of shaq's career the same as the rest of his career?

[Smoke117]

Kobe Bryant is the most overrated defensive player of all time. That's a fact.

[AirFederer]

Kobe is more a top 20-25 player of all time. Ive always said this and some of his fans get mad. He was like a less efficient version of MJ. Which is still quite good though.
:applause:

Still one of the best to lace

[pastis]

wow i know that stats arent kobes best friends, but this is shocking. i also know that he is overrated as a defender, but cmon worse than harden? im not a kobe fan, but kobe prayed pretty good lockdown defense in mid 00s....

[dhsilv]

wow i know that stats arent kobes best friends, but this is shocking. i also know that he is overrated as a defender, but cmon worse than harden? im not a kobe fan, but kobe prayed pretty good lockdown defense in mid 00s....

Well harden has a smaller sample size (larger variance and error rate), is in his prime, where as we've got all of kobe's bad years in this stat. So the stat isn't really saying Harden is a better defender directly here.

[pastis]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKX66I5UMAARHNs.png

this interesting as well. look at the spurs. they have the perfect team. kobe doesnt seem to appear there.

[DMAVS41]

Well harden has a smaller sample size (larger variance and error rate), is in his prime, where as we've got all of kobe's bad years in this stat. So the stat isn't really saying Harden is a better defender directly here.

True...but I still think that misses something.

We all know that Kobe, when he tries, was a far better defender than other guys higher on that list like Harden.

So why is he so low?

Part of it is simply variance and error, but I think a large part of it is that Kobe simply took an inordinate amount of defensive plays off throughout his career.

This is why Kobe's defense is so hard to truly gauge...when he really locked in and tried...he was good to very good. Problem is...he didn't do that consistently enough and it shows up in these numbers.

Now, I think it's fair to say Kobe's defense is better than these numbers suggest because he had the ability to ramp up his defense and impact games in a way a lot of other guards/players higher than him really couldn't.

But, because he didn't consistently put effort in on defense for the majority of his career...and just took plays off...he defensive measures are poor.

So, in this case, the stat actually is a little biased against Kobe. Now, I'm not defending his decision to take so many defensive possessions off, but you have to use some context with these numbers for Kobe because he should get a little boost for his ability to ramp up the defense.

In my opinion of course...

[RRR3]

How is Baron Davis ranked so high? :wtf:

Wasn't he super inefficient?

[pastis]

im not a fan of pure stats. i mean they are good, especially if you have them for a longer time span, but there are so many facets of the game who cant be recorded by statistics.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

My boy Steve Nash with that offensive impact. :applause:

[warriorfan]

How is Baron Davis ranked so high? :wtf:

Wasn't he super inefficient?

I wouldn't say super inefficient but he was defiantly not efficient.

You can be inefficient and still be creating great looks for your team, rebounding, playing good defense.

Efficiency is great and has gotten very popular recently but people need to understand that efficiency doesn't always translate to impact in a linear fashion.

[warriorfan]

My boy Steve Nash with that offensive impact. :applause:

Steve Nash 0/0

Dat impact

[HOoopCityJones]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKX66I5UMAARHNs.png

this interesting as well. look at the spurs. they have the perfect team. kobe doesnt seem to appear there.


So by the same token, should we finally start acknowledging that Duncan was surrounded with amazing talent in Tony and Manu shining in the precious advanced stats? Or does it only hold weight when it's about Kobe?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Steve Nash 0/0

Dat impact
Sorry, I don't speak ******.

[HOoopCityJones]

Lol, a Nash stan.

Guy is considered a joke among his peers.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Stan? Ew, don't associate my normal fandom with your scummy brand of player worship.

[feyki]

Play by play stats are useless . Actually , Play by play system is very functional source but play by play metrics are terrible . Play by play datas must be mixed with boxscore analytics .

[ArbitraryWater]

Nash, Harden, Kobe negatives on defense...


emmmm, noticing a pattern? Guys that either are limited ability wise (Nash) or don't give a shit (Harden/Kobe), simply aren't good defenders... keep spamming his defensive times though.

Manu year in year out leading the RAPM ranks :bowdown:

[warriorfan]

Sorry, I don't speak ******.

Sorry, I don't speak meltdown.

[Wade's Rings]

Lol, a Nash stan.

Guy is considered a joke among his peers.

What peers, Shaq?

[Phenith]

Lol, a Nash stan.

Guy is considered a joke among his peers.

Wow, I could taste the salt in that comment...

[pastis]

spurs are just :biggums: