Kobe vs LeBron is the same as Kareem vs Wilt

[warriorfan]

Kobe/Kareem
Great Stats
Winning
Never changed teams or only once
Both regarded as Alphas

LeBron/Wilt
Great Stats
Losing
Changing teams multiple times
Both regarded as Betas

[stalkerforlife]

Excellent point, OP.

Damn, a great analogy.

I can only assume you're highly educated.

[warriorfan]

Excellent point, OP.

Damn, a great analogy.

I can only assume you're highly educated.

Of course; anything less, would be uncivilized.

[SpecialQue]

I really, really fvcking hate ISH sometimes.

[stalkerforlife]

I really, really fvcking hate ISH sometimes.

You got beef with the Kobe/Curry family?

[SpecialQue]

You got beef with the Kobe/Curry family?

I have a beef with idiots who keep pretending like Wilt was a bad player.

[warriorfan]

I have a beef with idiots who keep pretending like Wilt was a bad player.

Wilt and LeBron are not bad players. They are just both players who put up great regular season stats and then had trouble winning in the Finals. They both left their teams multiple times. It's a fair comparison.

[stalkerforlife]

Wilt and LeBron are not bad players. They are just both players who put up great regular season stats and then had trouble winning in the Finals. They both left their teams multiple times. It's a fair comparison.

That's all.

We know they're great players, but they simply can't hold a candle to Kobe and Kareem.

[La Frescobaldi]

Kobe/Kareem
Great Stats
Winning
Never changed teams or only once
Both regarded as Alphas

LeBron/Wilt
Great Stats
Losing
Changing teams multiple times
Both regarded as Betas

Jabbar played for the Bucks, demanded outrageous trade to Lakers, won a single ring in his entire prime (and that wasn't happening without Oscar), wasn't the leader of the Magic Showtime Lakers that won 5 rings. Bryant wasn't the leader of the Shaqtime Lakers that won 3 rings and got carried by Gasol & Fisher in key regular season and finals games.

The other guys went to Finals 5 times in a row neither Kobe nor Kareem came close to that amount of consistent peakness in leadership. Neither Kareem nor Bryant could carry a team on their back into the Finals whilst the other guys did it many times.

Only betas think about alphas and betas.
op = wrong

[imnew09]

OP spitting knowledge as always :bowdown:

[knicksman]

i agree. both 2/6 or 2/7. 5 starred

[Bankaii]

OP is right for once.

Both Kobe and Kareem had to play with another top 10 GOAT to win rings against less stacked, weaker competition. Both lost multiple FMVPs to teammates. And both got carried to a ring (Kareem at 40, Kobe at... all of them).

The only thing is only Kobe has the worst stats, worst Finals performances for a FMVP, only 1 MVP, and can't shoot 50%.

Kareem>Wilt=Lebron>>>Kobe

[knicksman]

OP is right for once.

Both Kobe and Kareem had to play with another top 10 GOAT to win rings against less stacked, weaker competition. Both lost multiple FMVPs to teammates. And both got carried to a ring (Kareem at 40, Kobe at... all of them).

The only thing is only Kobe has the worst stats, worst Finals performances for a FMVP, only 1 MVP, and can't shoot 50%.

Kareem>Wilt=Lebron>>>Kobe


:oldlol: 5/7>>>2/6

[Keno]

OP is right for once.

Both Kobe and Kareem had to play with another top 10 GOAT to win rings against less stacked, weaker competition. Both lost multiple FMVPs to teammates. And both got carried to a ring (Kareem at 40, Kobe at... all of them).

The only thing is only Kobe has the worst stats, worst Finals performances for a FMVP, only 1 MVP, and can't shoot 50%.

Kareem>Wilt=Lebron>>>Kobe

hahahah this looks like a troll post but it's filled with factual ether. good job.

[TommyGriffin]

OP is right for once.

Both Kobe and Kareem had to play with another top 10 GOAT to win rings against less stacked, weaker competition. Both lost multiple FMVPs to teammates. And both got carried to a ring (Kareem at 40, Kobe at... all of them).

The only thing is only Kobe has the worst stats, worst Finals performances for a FMVP, only 1 MVP, and can't shoot 50%.

Kareem>Wilt=Lebron>>>Kobe

GOAT whining and excuses

this ***** must be a Wilt/Lebron fan :roll:

[Bankaii]

:oldlol: 5/7>>>2/6
2000 Kobe: 16/4/4 on 37%. 15 FGA. 96 ORTG. 116 DRTG.
2002 Fisher: 13/4/4 on 52%. 8 FGA. 124 ORTG. 113 DRTG.

Fisher the 2nd GOAT after Horry:bowdown:

[Quickening]

2000 Kobe: 16/4/4 on 37%. 15 FGA. 96 ORTG. 116 DRTG.
2002 Fisher: 13/4/4 on 52%. 8 FGA. 124 ORTG. 113 DRTG.

Fisher the 2nd GOAT after Horry:bowdown:
:lol :applause:

[Kblaze8855]

I have a beef with idiots who keep pretending like Wilt was a bad player.


Yeah. Wilt is up there with Allen Iverson as a great player who seems to only be mentioned as a negative by people who have no respect or understanding of how good he was.


He was an entirely acceptable choice as the greatest player of all time from every segment of the basketball world until like five years ago people on the internet who don't seem to know shit about his game or career beyond how many finals he won and lost decided he wasn't anymore.

to reduce a career of 100 point games, rebounding records, assist records, 68 and 69 win seasons, NBA championships, and on and on down to 2 out of 6 just screams disrespect to me.

Maybe it wouldn't if it ever seemed to come from anybody I had reason to believe actually cared about the game at the time.... or cared about learning history for its own sake.

Wilts biggest detractors among those who actually had any involvement in the game when he was playing seem to think that instead of being the greatest of all time he's like 3rd or 4th.

But get on the internet where his critics can't even be bothered to learn anything about him and now he's a joke.

People begrudgingly give him the minimum respect saying things like they don't mean he's a bad player...

Really? You will admit that a guy who scored 30000 points, and led the NBA in rebounds and assists, while shooting record numbers from the field multiple times and probably blocking more shots than anyone ever, and winning multiple NBA championships while playing every role asked of him by every coach even to the point he starts scoring 12 points a game when he proved he could drop 60 multiple times in a week when the issue was raised of if he could still score.....was not bad?

You're willing to grant that that guy wasn't bad at basketball?

Rubs me wrong is all.

[warriorfan]

2000 Kobe: 16/4/4 on 37%. 15 FGA. 96 ORTG. 116 DRTG.
2002 Fisher: 13/4/4 on 52%. 8 FGA. 124 ORTG. 113 DRTG.

Fisher the 2nd GOAT after Horry:bowdown:

Throwing around Ortg and Drtgs, congrats you just exposed yourself as not knowing shit about basketball. :applause:

[RRR3]

I have a beef with idiots who keep pretending like Wilt was a bad player.
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[warriorfan]

Yeah. Wilt is up there with Allen Iverson as a great player who seems to only be mentioned as a negative by people who have no respect or understanding of how good he was.


He was an entirely acceptable choice as the greatest player of all time from every segment of the basketball world until like five years ago people on the internet who don't seem to know shit about his game or career beyond how many finals he won and lost decided he wasn't anymore.

to reduce a career of 100 point games, rebounding records, assist records, 68 and 69 win seasons, NBA championships, and on and on down to 2 out of 6 just screams disrespect to me.

Maybe it wouldn't if it ever seemed to come from anybody I had reason to believe actually cared about the game at the time.... or cared about learning history for its own sake.

Wilts biggest detractors among those who actually had any involvement in the game when he was playing seem to think that instead of being the greatest of all time he's like 3rd or 4th.

But get on the internet where his critics can't even be bothered to learn anything about him and now he's a joke.

People begrudgingly give him the minimum respect saying things like they don't mean he's a bad player...

Really? You will admit that a guy who scored 30000 points, and led the NBA in rebounds and assists, while shooting record numbers from the field multiple times and probably blocking more shots than anyone ever, and winning multiple NBA championships while playing every role asked of him by every coach even to the point he starts scoring 12 points a game when he proved he could drop 60 multiple times in a week when the issue was raised of if he could still score.....was not bad?

You're willing to grant that that guy wasn't bad at basketball?

Rubs me wrong is all.

Wilt was a great player. To be completely honest the main reason Wilt gets so much hate is because of guys like CavsFTW and Lazerus who hype him too purely absurd levels. There is no doubt Wilt was one of the greatest all time but at the same time he is just not as good as his stats suggest when taking them for face value without examining any of the context around the statistics. (Such as 30% more possessions, the skinny key, to just not having as great of competition as today.)

The other thing that rubs people the wrong way about LeBron and Wilt is the feeling that they never hit their full potential. Maybe it's being a victim of the loftiest expectations due to their talent that seems to have no ceiling. Maybe our expectations were unrealistic...After Jordan did his thing he set the new gold standard on Mental Toughness and his approach to the game. Unfortunately for LeBron and Wilt, they are going to be held to this standard and criticized for their shortcomings in this aspect. Is it fair? No, but that's life.

[Bankaii]

Throwing around Ortg and Drtgs, congrats you just exposed yourself as not knowing shit about basketball. :applause:
Are you retarded? (Don't answer I already know you are).

Fisher and Kobe played for the exact same team under the exact same offensive and defensive systems. Their O and D RTGs are completely relevant to each other.

Why don't you address the basic stats like how Kobe only averaged 3 more points on 15% less effeciency while taking twice as many shots?

[warriorfan]

Are you retarded? (Don't answer I already know you are).

Fisher and Kobe played for the exact same team under the exact same offensive and defensive systems. Their O and D RTGs are completely relevant to each other.

Why don't you address the basic stats like how Kobe only averaged 3 more points on 15% less effeciency while taking twice as many shots?

https://media.giphy.com/media/3FBwwRCNTSa52/giphy.gif

Listen bud, stop talking ball, you couldn't tell the difference between a basketball hoop and your asshole. It's getting excruciating at this point.

[Bankaii]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3FBwwRCNTSa52/giphy.gif

Listen bud, stop talking ball, you couldn't tell the difference between a basketball hoop and your asshole. It's getting excruciating at this point.
If you don't have a valid argument due to your lack of intelligence, just don't post. I've never seen you provide any substance to a legit basketball thread.

Login to one of your alts and back yourself up or something, you're getting close to your L quota for the day.

[stalkerforlife]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3FBwwRCNTSa52/giphy.gif

Listen bud, stop talking ball, you couldn't tell the difference between a basketball hoop and your asshole. It's getting excruciating at this point.

:roll:

[TommyGriffin]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3FBwwRCNTSa52/giphy.gif

Listen bud, stop talking ball, you couldn't tell the difference between a basketball hoop and your asshole. It's getting excruciating at this point.

:roll:

[Andrei89]

"Nobody cares about Lebron anymore" OP said :lol :lol

[Smoke117]

You actually managed to bring up four players that you have no idea about. I don't even understand how people like you can call themselves basketball fans...you know nothing about the sport you pretend to love...

[Spurs5Rings2014]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3FBwwRCNTSa52/giphy.gif

Listen bud, stop talking ball, you couldn't tell the difference between a basketball hoop and your asshole. It's getting excruciating at this point.

:roll:

[deja vu]

Don't know who's more annoying, warriorfan or 3ball.

[pauk]

More closer to something like Havlicek vs Jordan....


Havlicek/Kobe:
*Most of their rings obtained as betas/sidekicks
*0-1 mvp
*1-2 fmvp

vs

Lebron/Jordan:
*All of their rings obtained as alphas/best players in the NBA
*4-5 mvp
*2-6 fmvp

[GrapeApe]

Since Lebron is 7 years younger than Kobe and still in the latter stages of his prime, why not compare them at the same age? Lebron is still building his resume, while Kobe's is essentially complete.

At the same point in his career as current Lebron, Kobe had a 3-2 edge in titles, but Lebron has a 2-0 edge in FMVP's and a 6-5 edge in finals appearances. Like current Lebron, Kobe had lost in his previous 2 trips to the finals. Lebron has a 4-1 edge in MVP's, better numbers across the board, more playoff games played, and better playoff numbers. In terms of career trajectory, Lebron is well ahead of where Kobe was at the same age.

[IllegalD]

Lets face it.

LeBron Fam is scurred.

The emergence of Chef Curry and the Dubs is the worst possible thing that could've happened to LeBron and his potential championship legacy.

He most likely will stay stuck at 2 rings and continue to pile up Finals losses at the hands of the Warriors. :lebroncry:

[dubeta]

Kobe isnt top 15 all-time

[Wade's Rings]

More closer to something like Havlicek vs Jordan....


Havlicek/Kobe:
*Most of their rings obtained as betas/sidekicks
*0-1 mvp
*1-2 fmvp

vs

Lebron/Jordan:
*All of their rings obtained as alphas/best players in the NBA
*4-5 mvp
*2-6 fmvp

Lebron was throwing series so his teammate wouldn't win FMVP.

[dubeta]

Lebron was throwing series so his teammate wouldn't win FMVP.

Yup like in 2014 when he averaged 14/3/3 with garbage defense shooting 44% from the field, and averaging 10 points in the last 3 games in the series



oh wait...

[Wade's Rings]

Yup like in 2014 when he averaged 14/3/3 with garbage defense shooting 44% from the field, and averaging 10 points in the last 3 games in the series



oh wait...

Lebron also threw the 2014 series :confusedshrug:

Games 3-5
Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+
Leonard scored 27 of his 71 points (38%) being up 15+
Leonard outscored Lebron 44-30 in non-blowout situations

Leonard 23.7 ppg on 69%
LeBron 27.0 ppg on 55%
(Leonard 14% more efficient)

Game 3
Lebron had 14 points and 0 TO in first quarter, then 8 points and 7 TOs for the last 3 quarters. LeBron had 22/5/7/5 with 7 TOs on 64%, Wade had 22/4/2/2 with 5 TOs on 67%.

But over the last 3 quarters, LeBron had 8 points and 7 TOs to Wades 20 points and 3 TOs. The Heat cut the lead from 15 to 9 without LeBron, after Wade subbed in for him, from the 5:00 to 1:00 mark of the 3rd quarter, but even with that help LeBron still lost.

Game 4
Lebron had 9 points in first half and the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there.

Game 5
Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the Heat within 5. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd. LeBron shot 1-6 against Leonard this game according to the ESPN article MVP Leonard Does it All (and according to the same article Leonard shot 65% on LeBron for the series)

[dubeta]

Lebron also threw the 2014 series :confusedshrug:

Games 3-5
Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+
Leonard scored 27 of his 71 points (38%) being up 15+
Leonard outscored Lebron 44-30 in non-blowout situations

Leonard 23.7 ppg on 69%
LeBron 27.0 ppg on 55%
(Leonard 14% more efficient)

Game 3
Lebron had 14 points and 0 TO in first quarter, then 8 points and 7 TOs for the last 3 quarters. LeBron had 22/5/7/5 with 7 TOs on 64%, Wade had 22/4/2/2 with 5 TOs on 67%.

But over the last 3 quarters, LeBron had 8 points and 7 TOs to Wades 20 points and 3 TOs. The Heat cut the lead from 15 to 9 without LeBron, after Wade subbed in for him, from the 5:00 to 1:00 mark of the 3rd quarter, but even with that help LeBron still lost.

Game 4
Lebron had 9 points in first half and the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there.

Game 5
Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the Heat within 5. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd. LeBron shot 1-6 against Leonard this game according to the ESPN article MVP Leonard Does it All (and according to the same article Leonard shot 65% on LeBron for the series)



Noone cares about situational stats :roll: :roll:




Post their total finals averages

[Wade's Rings]

Noone cares about situational stats :roll: :roll:




Post their total finals averages

So it's Wade fault he didn't pad his stats like Bron to save face? :confusedshrug:

[dubeta]

So it's Wade fault he didn't pad his stats like Bron to save face? :confusedshrug:


Wade padded his stats as well

Game 1 - scored 19 in the first 3 quarters


scored nothing in the 4th once LeBron was out


And that was the only half decent game he had :oldlol:


He also scored in blowout situations in game 3-5, that was really the only time he got stats



So his actually averages are something like 9 points 3 rebounds, with some HORRIBLE defense


Dude was legit the worst player in NBA History during those finals







http://ca.complex.com/sports/2014/06/dwyane-wade-terrible-defense-2014-nba-finals-video


Makes James Harden look like Prime Pippen :lol

[Wade's Rings]

Wade padded his stats as well

Game 1 - scored 19 in the first 3 quarters


scored nothing in the 4th once LeBron was out


And that was the only half decent game he had :oldlol:


He also scored in blowout situations in game 3-5, that was really the only time he got stats



So his actually averages are something like 9 points 3 rebounds, with some HORRIBLE defense


Dude was legit the worst player in NBA History during those finals







http://ca.complex.com/sports/2014/06/dwyane-wade-terrible-defense-2014-nba-finals-video


Makes James Harden look like Prime Pippen :lol

You just said he padded his stats in Games 3-5 without backing anything up.

Speaking of Defense, Kawhi shot 65% when being guarded by Lebron :roll: :roll: :roll:

Has James Harden ever let someone do that to him? :roll:

[dubeta]

You just said he padded his stats in Games 3-5 without backing anything up.

Speaking of Defense, Kawhi shot 65% when being guarded by Lebron :roll: :roll: :roll:

Has James Harden ever let someone do that to him? :roll:

You're comparing 14/4/4 on 44% with some HORRIBLE HORRIBLE defense to

28/8/4 on 68% TS by LeBron.



LeBron had a GOAT finals while Wade had the WOAT


just stop it :lol

[DaOldLion]

Lebron also threw the 2014 series :confusedshrug:

Games 3-5
Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+
Leonard scored 27 of his 71 points (38%) being up 15+
Leonard outscored Lebron 44-30 in non-blowout situations

Leonard 23.7 ppg on 69%
LeBron 27.0 ppg on 55%
(Leonard 14% more efficient)

Game 3
Lebron had 14 points and 0 TO in first quarter, then 8 points and 7 TOs for the last 3 quarters. LeBron had 22/5/7/5 with 7 TOs on 64%, Wade had 22/4/2/2 with 5 TOs on 67%.

But over the last 3 quarters, LeBron had 8 points and 7 TOs to Wades 20 points and 3 TOs. The Heat cut the lead from 15 to 9 without LeBron, after Wade subbed in for him, from the 5:00 to 1:00 mark of the 3rd quarter, but even with that help LeBron still lost.

Game 4
Lebron had 9 points in first half and the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there.

Game 5
Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the Heat within 5. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd. LeBron shot 1-6 against Leonard this game according to the ESPN article MVP Leonard Does it All (and according to the same article Leonard shot 65% on LeBron for the series)

good post

[Wade's Rings]

You're comparing 14/4/4 on 44% with some HORRIBLE HORRIBLE defense to

28/8/4 on 68% TS by LeBron.



LeBron had a GOAT finals while Wade had the WOAT


just stop it :lol

So you're just going to deflect :applause:

[Wade's Rings]

good post

:cheers:

[GrapeApe]

I don't know how this shifted to Lebron vs Wade, but how is a past-prime, nowhere near 100% healthy Wade comparable in any way to a peak/prime Lebron?

Wade played 3 finals while in his prime and 1 while slightly past his prime. All were better than Lebron's 2011 finals. At 29 years old, the same age Lebron was in the 2014 finals, Wade averaged 27/7/5/1.5/1.5 on 61%TS. If we're going to compare players, at least make it apples to apples in terms of age, the same point I was making in my previous post regarding Lebron and Kobe.

[LeBird]

Why are we mentioning Kobe alongside GOAT caliber players like Lebron, Kareem and Wilt?

Kobe is in the discussions with the Wests, Wades and Robinsons of the world.

[IllegalD]

Why are we mentioning Kobe alongside GOAT caliber players like Lebron, Kareem and Wilt?

Kobe is in the discussions with the Wests, Wades and Robinsons of the world.

That's funny, because Kobe's career basically sh*ts all over Bird's.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Jabbar played for the Bucks, demanded outrageous trade to Lakers, won a single ring in his entire prime (and that wasn't happening without Oscar), wasn't the leader of the Magic Showtime Lakers that won 5 rings. Bryant wasn't the leader of the Shaqtime Lakers that won 3 rings and got carried by Gasol & Fisher in key regular season and finals games.

The other guys went to Finals 5 times in a row neither Kobe nor Kareem came close to that amount of consistent peakness in leadership. Neither Kareem nor Bryant could carry a team on their back into the Finals whilst the other guys did it many times.

Only betas think about alphas and betas.
op = wrong
Lmao

What Bryant did in 08-10 wasn't carrying his team to the Finals?

32/6/6 on 60.5%TS vs the Western Conference in the 08 playoffs and 29/6/4 on 58.5%TS in the 08 WCF (2nd leading scorer at 13.2 ppg on 47%TS this series)
34/6/6 on 63%TS in the 09 WCF
34/7/8 on 64%TS in the 10 WCF

And Kareem never carried a team to the Finals either you say? Wow

Only ppg available..being the leader in scoring each time

'71 playoffs vs Eastern Conference: 26.4 ppg
'74 playoffs vs Eastern Conference: 31.9 ppg
'80 playoffs vs Western Conference: 31.2 ppg

Wilt only led a Finals team in scoring a grand total of ONE time during the 1964 playoffs and NONE on one that won the championship (Wilt was the 3rd leading playoff scorer in '67 and 2nd in '72)

[knicksman]

Lebron also threw the 2014 series :confusedshrug:

Games 3-5
Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+
Leonard scored 27 of his 71 points (38%) being up 15+
Leonard outscored Lebron 44-30 in non-blowout situations

Leonard 23.7 ppg on 69%
LeBron 27.0 ppg on 55%
(Leonard 14% more efficient)

Game 3
Lebron had 14 points and 0 TO in first quarter, then 8 points and 7 TOs for the last 3 quarters. LeBron had 22/5/7/5 with 7 TOs on 64%, Wade had 22/4/2/2 with 5 TOs on 67%.

But over the last 3 quarters, LeBron had 8 points and 7 TOs to Wades 20 points and 3 TOs. The Heat cut the lead from 15 to 9 without LeBron, after Wade subbed in for him, from the 5:00 to 1:00 mark of the 3rd quarter, but even with that help LeBron still lost.

Game 4
Lebron had 9 points in first half and the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there.

Game 5
Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the Heat within 5. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd. LeBron shot 1-6 against Leonard this game according to the ESPN article MVP Leonard Does it All (and according to the same article Leonard shot 65% on LeBron for the series)

typical bran:roll:

only idiots cant see how much of a fraud this guy is

[Wade's Rings]

Why are we mentioning Kobe alongside GOAT caliber players like Lebron, Kareem and Wilt?

Kobe is in the discussions with the Wests, Wades and Robinsons of the world.

How tf is Bron GOAT Caliber? :lol

[feyki]

How tf is Bron GOAT Caliber? :lol


:oldlol: :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

Jabbar played for the Bucks, demanded outrageous trade to Lakers, won a single ring in his entire prime (and that wasn't happening without Oscar), wasn't the leader of the Magic Showtime Lakers that won 5 rings. Bryant wasn't the leader of the Shaqtime Lakers that won 3 rings and got carried by Gasol & Fisher in key regular season and finals games.

The other guys went to Finals 5 times in a row neither Kobe nor Kareem came close to that amount of consistent peakness in leadership. Neither Kareem nor Bryant could carry a team on their back into the Finals whilst the other guys did it many times.

Only betas think about alphas and betas.
op = wrong

This.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

BTW, Kobe has been, without question, the worst Finals performer by a Top-13 player of all-time. No one else is remotely close to his horrid play in the Finals.

[Cold soul]

This.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

BTW, Kobe has been, without question, the worst Finals performer by a Top-13 player of all-time. No one else is remotely close to his horrid play in the Finals.

No he hasn't Lebron has been worst Finals performer his 07 and 11 Finals were pathetic. Kobe been lackluster during Finals but his 04 performance was pretty bad but not 11 Lebron which was worse.

[34-24 Footwork]

No he hasn't Lebron has been worst Finals performer his 07 and 11 Finals were pathetic. Kobe been lackluster during Finals but his 04 performance was pretty bad but not 11 Lebron which was worse.


Guess we're supposed to just forget about Lebron in 2007 against the spurs or Lebron 2011 vs mavericks.

Honestly don't know which one is worse.....

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol. People went from:

Kobe was being carried by Shaq to Kobe was carried by Fisher and Gasol. Lol.

You guys rockin cement shoes in the ocean...keep drowning tho.

[Straight_Ballin]

"Nobody cares about Lebron anymore" OP said :lol :lol

Did you just crawl out from under a rock? All the headlines have been Curry this and Curry that. Lebron signed a life long agreement with Nike and the world pretty much just shrugged their shoulders and was like

"meh :confusedshrug: "

[LAZERUSS]

No he hasn't Lebron has been worst Finals performer his 07 and 11 Finals were pathetic. Kobe been lackluster during Finals but his 04 performance was pretty bad but not 11 Lebron which was worse.

Kobe has been awful in nearly all of his Finals. AND, the bigger the game in those Finals, the WORSE he played...


99-00
Regular season 22.5 ppg .468 FG%
Finals 15.6 ppg .367 FG%
Last Game of Series .296 FG%

00-01
Regular season 28.5 ppg .464 FG%
Finals 24.6 ppg .415 FG%
Last Game of Series .389 FG%

01-02
Regular season 25.2 ppg .469
Finals 26.8 ppg .514 FG%
Last Game of Series .438 FG%

03-04
Regular season 24.0 ppg .438 FG%
Finals 22.6 ppg .381 FG%
Last Game of Series .333 FG%

07-08
Regular season 28.3 ppg .459 FG%
Finals 25.7 ppg .405 FG%
Last Game of Series .318 FG%

08-09
Regular season 26.8 ppg .467 FG%
Finals 32.4 ppg .430 FG%
Last Game of Series .435 FG%

09-10
Regular season 27.0 ppg .456 FG%
Finals 28.6 ppg .405 FG%
Last Game of Series .250 FG%


Other noteables:


97-98
Swept by Utah 4-0.
Kobe averages 10.0 ppg on a .367 FG%

98-99
Swept by San Antonio 4-0
Last game of the series : Kobe 16 points on a .438 FG%

02-03
Lose to Spurs in WCF's, 4-2.
Last game loss by a score of 110-82 (Kobe with 20 points in a season in which he averaged 30 ppg)

03-04 Finals
Heavily favored Lakers lose to Pistons, 4-1.
In the clinching game five loss Kobe shoots .333 in a 100-87 loss (and LA was down 23 going into 4th quarter)

04-05
Team goes 34-48 and misses playoffs

05-06
Regular season 35.4 ppg .450
Playoffs 27.9 ppg .497
Last game (7) 24 points in a 121-90 loss (after blowing a 3-1 series lead)

06-07
Team goes 42-40
Loses in first round to Suns, 4-1.
Last game of that series, Kobe shoots .394 from the floor

07-08
Lakers are blown out by Celts in Finals.
In game four the Lakers blow a 23 point lead, and lose, in a game in which Kobe shot .316 from the field.
In the clinching game six loss, the Lakers lose by a Finals record margin of 131-92. Kobe shoots .318 from the floor.

10-11
Lakers with HCA are swept by the Mavs, 4-0.
In the clinching game four loss, LA loses 122-86. Kobe shoots .389 from the field.

Without a doubt, Kobe has been the WORST Finals performer by a Top-13 player in NBA history.

And not surprisingly, the only two Finals in which he played reasonably well,...yep...against the hapless Nets.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe has been awful in nearly all of his Finals. AND, the bigger the game in those Finals, the WORSE he played...



Without a doubt, Kobe has been the WORST Finals performer by a Top-13 player in NBA history.

Not worse than Wilt.

[ShawkFactory]

That's funny, because Kobe's career basically sh*ts all over Bird's.
Length-wise sure. That's about it

[HOoopCityJones]

Length-wise sure. That's about it

Accolades, rings, same Finals MVPS, longevity. If we were discussing anyone but Kobe they would get the nod.

Ask Bird who his favorite player is since he retired. :lol

At this point, Kobe haters are a joke.

[Wade's Rings]

Not worse than Wilt.

IIRC Wilt's ppg drops from 30 in the Regular Season to 18 in the Finals.

[HOoopCityJones]

IIRC Wilt's ppg drops from 30 in the Regular Season to 18 in the Finals.

:lebronamazed:

[LAZERUSS]

IIRC Wilt's ppg drops from 30 in the Regular Season to 18 in the Finals.

'64 Finals. Chamberlain ELEVATED his scoring against Boston and Russell from his regular season H2H's. Oh, and he ANNIHILATED Russell in that Finals.

'67 Finals. Slightly lower than his 20.8 ppg (down to 17.5 ppg) than his regular season H2H's with Thurmond, BUT, he SLAUGHTERED Nate in that Finals.

'69 Finals. Dropped from 16 ppg down to 12 ppg. Still, outplayed Russell, and wiped the floor with him in game seven.

'70 Finals. ELEVATED his scoring, rebounding, and FG%..especially after he returned from his knee surgery (WAY above those last three games of the regular season.)

'72 Finals. ELEVATED his ppg by a large margin, and DOMINATED that Finals.

'73 Finals. ELEVATED his numbers across the board against Reed from his regular season H2H's.

[ShawkFactory]

Accolades, rings, same Finals MVPS, longevity. If we were discussing anyone but Kobe they would get the nod.

Ask Bird who his favorite player is since he retired. :lol

At this point, Kobe haters are a joke.
Most of those were achieved because of his longevity.

Stop being so sensitive and assuming everything is about Kobe hate. Bird gets the nod over a lot of people who have greater longevity and more accolades than he does.

Playing longer doesn't make you a better basketball player, unless that length (or lack thereof) is due to ability. Which is not the case for Bird.

His game could have aged beautifully

[Wade's Rings]

'64 Finals. Chamberlain ELEVATED his scoring against Boston and Russell from his regular season H2H's. Oh, and he ANNIHILATED Russell in that Finals.

'67 Finals. Slightly lower than his 20.8 ppg (down to 17.5 ppg) than his regular season H2H's with Thurmond, BUT, he SLAUGHTERED Nate in that Finals.

'69 Finals. Dropped from 16 ppg down to 12 ppg. Still, outplayed Russell, and wiped the floor with him in game seven.

'70 Finals. ELEVATED his scoring, rebounding, and FG%..especially after he returned from his knee surgery (WAY above those last three games of the regular season.)

'72 Finals. ELEVATED his ppg by a large margin, and DOMINATED that Finals.

'73 Finals. ELEVATED his numbers across the board against Reed from his regular season H2H's.


Laz, here are some fun facts for you.

1967

Wilt went from averaging 24 PPG in the RS to 21.7 PPG in the PO's. Got outscored by Greer (:oldlol:) and scored the same number of points as Chet. Needed 6 double digit scorer (including himself) to win a ring. 5 of them scored over 15 PPG in the PO's, BTW. In the Finals, he was the 5th leading scorer on his team. 7th overall. So much for being the GOAT scorer. Needed 4 20 PPG scorers in the Finals to win.

1972

Was the 4th leading scorer on the team, with 2 other 20+ PPG scorers, in the PO's. Faced a garbage ass 48 win Knicks team. 3rd leading scorer in the Finals on his team and 6th overall. He was basically the Bosh of the team. Goodrich was robbed of the FMVP as well.

:bowdown:

You keep mentioning what he did H2H in the Regular Season when in the Finals he statpadded plenty of times to make his numbers look nice.

[HOoopCityJones]

Most of those were achieved because of his longevity.

Stop being so sensitive and assuming everything is about Kobe hate. Bird gets the nod over a lot of people who have greater longevity and more accolades than he does.

Playing longer doesn't make you a better basketball player, unless that length (or lack thereof) is due to ability. Which is not the case for Bird.

His game could have aged beautifully

Lol and how is that an argument against what I said? Oh he just has superior longevity , it means nothing. :lol

So basically it's only because of some personal soft spot people have for Bird that he gets the nod over clearly better players. Makes sense.

[dubeta]

:bowdown:

You keep mentioning what he did H2H in the Regular Season when in the Finals he statpadded plenty of times to make his numbers look nice.

Like Wade in the 2009 playoffs

[Wade's Rings]

Like Wade in the 2009 playoffs

So you're running away from the Bron in the 2014 finals debate we we were having? :applause:

[ShawkFactory]

Lol and how is that an argument against what I said? Oh he just has superior longevity , it means nothing. :lol

So basically it's only because of some personal soft spot people have for Bird that he gets the nod over clearly better players. Makes sense.
Nobody said longevity means nothing.

But it doesn't make a player "clearly better" either.

Bird was a first team all-NBA player every single year of his healthy career, even as a rookie. He won both MVPs and titles in 1/3 of his healthy career, in what many would call the greatest era of basketball ever.

I'm not saying Kobe doesn't have an argument either. But clearly better? Nah

[Cold soul]

Kobe has been awful in nearly all of his Finals. AND, the bigger the game in those Finals, the WORSE he played...



Without a doubt, Kobe has been the WORST Finals performer by a Top-13 player in NBA history.

And not surprisingly, the only two Finals in which he played reasonably well,...yep...against the hapless Nets.

09 against Orlando he played great that whole series.

[AirFederer]

That's funny, because Kobe's career basically sh*ts all over Bird's.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3FBwwRCNTSa52/giphy.gif

Never go full retard, son.

[Psileas]

You keep mentioning what he did H2H in the Regular Season when in the Finals he statpadded plenty of times to make his numbers look nice.

Can you give us those instances?

Btw, posting some bullshit post below Lazeruss' post, which doesn't even do anything to refute it, is all we need to know about anti-Wilt trolls. :oldlol:
All someone needs to do is just repost the very same Lazeruss' post below your crap, it would refute this to a bigger degree than vice-versa. :oldlol:

[Wade's Rings]

Can you give us those instances?

Starting @4:39 in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCX2bEBPABQ

Wilt 9 missed free throws in Game 7 1969 Finals - 2 points loss
Jerry West's 43-13-12 wasn't enough help for Wilt apparently

Wilt outscored by Sam Jones in both Game 7s, and outscored by Jones and Russell in Game 6 of 1969 Finals

1970 - Reed kicks Wilt's ass 32 ppg to Wilt's 19 ppg in Games 1-2-3-4

No Reed in Game 6 - Wilt has 45-27

Reed comes back in Game 7 and Wilt loses... Wilt only had 11 points and 12 rebs at half time being down 27... pads his stats in the 2nd half when the game is over

Reed locked down Wilt on one leg.... check the footage
"Injured Willis Reed Defense on Wilt Chamberlain - 1970 Finals Game 7"

1973 - Reed comes back and kicks Wilt's ass, Wilt shoots 21% worse in the Finals than regular season and Reed retires him

[LAZERUSS]

Starting @4:39 in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCX2bEBPABQ

Wilt 9 missed free throws in Game 7 1969 Finals - 2 points loss
Jerry West's 43-13-12 wasn't enough help for Wilt apparently

Wilt outscored by Sam Jones in both Game 7s, and outscored by Jones and Russell in Game 6 of 1969 Finals

1970 - Reed kicks Wilt's ass 32 ppg to Wilt's 19 ppg in Games 1-2-3-4

No Reed in Game 6 - Wilt has 45-27

Reed comes back in Game 7 and Wilt loses... Wilt only had 11 points and 12 rebs at half time being down 27... pads his stats in the 2nd half when the game is over

Reed locked down Wilt on one leg.... check the footage
"Injured Willis Reed Defense on Wilt Chamberlain - 1970 Finals Game 7"

1973 - Reed comes back and kicks Wilt's ass, Wilt shoots 21% worse in the Finals than regular season and Reed retires him

I could take the time to shred every bit of this nonsense, but not right now.

But, I did bold one of your ridiculous claims...

So Wilt, who had 11 points and 12 rebs at halftime...padded his stats in the second half with 10 more points and 12 more rebounds?

BTW, in the clinching game five loss in the '73 Finals, all Wilt could do was hang yet another 20-20 game against HOFer Reed and his swarming teammates (23-21, and on 9-16 shooting...in a loss that was decided in the waning seconds.)

[LAZERUSS]

Starting @4:39 in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCX2bEBPABQ

Wilt 9 missed free throws in Game 7 1969 Finals - 2 points loss
Jerry West's 43-13-12 wasn't enough help for Wilt apparently

Wilt outscored by Sam Jones in both Game 7s, and outscored by Jones and Russell in Game 6 of 1969 Finals

1970 - Reed kicks Wilt's ass 32 ppg to Wilt's 19 ppg in Games 1-2-3-4

No Reed in Game 6 - Wilt has 45-27

Reed comes back in Game 7 and Wilt loses... Wilt only had 11 points and 12 rebs at half time being down 27... pads his stats in the 2nd half when the game is over

Reed locked down Wilt on one leg.... check the footage
"Injured Willis Reed Defense on Wilt Chamberlain - 1970 Finals Game 7"

1973 - Reed comes back and kicks Wilt's ass, Wilt shoots 21% worse in the Finals than regular season and Reed retires him

BTW, Kareem won a ring a with a game seven performance of 4 pts, on 2-7 shooting, with 3 rebs, and 5 PFs...all while being killed by Laimbeer and Salley.

[Wade's Rings]

I could take the time to shred every bit of this nonsense, but not right now.

But, I did bold one of your ridiculous claims...

So Wilt, who had 11 points and 12 rebs at halftime...padded his stats in the second half with 10 more points and 12 more rebounds?

BTW, in the clinching game five loss in the '73 Finals, all Wilt could do was hang yet another 20-20 game against HOFer Reed and his swarming teammates (23-21, and on 9-16 shooting...in a loss that was decided in the waning seconds.)

I think the numbers are wrong on that one, I apologize if they are.