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$LakerGold
12-09-2015, 01:41 AM
Do they just need that one more prime scorer in the likes of prime Hedo or prime Rashard? I think Austin is holding them back -- while I do think he has potential to be a hell of a solid backup PG, just maybe in the wrong team and the wrong time, maybe? Because I want to see Jamal Crawford back to PG & not see a backcourt Austin Rivers/Jamal Crawford.

When you put Jamal at 1, you can have someone else fill up the 2 position whether it be JJ or whoever. I'm starting to think that the small ball is catching up to them when their offense isn't making up for their defense, just way too inefficient & that obviously can cause a lot of issues with the flow of their game.

And most importantly, CP3 just needs to dig deep & hopefully avg. 20ppg, you cannot have players who are supposed to be your 4th-6th scoring option to be your 3rd-5th scoring option, especially when you have a center who can't create a shot for himself. Alley-oops & dunks for days though.

I mean, how many of those points from Blake actually count & matter? It feels like Kevin Love in Minny. Will that actually translate over to the playoffs? He still feels limited offensively, his GO-TO shots are circus shots & I know he's working on it, but it has got to happen now.

They're the 2011 Celtics right now, I think, except that they already had the piece, they just gave it away to OKC. 1 more missing piece for the Clippers, or 2 for dreaming.

I was hoping for Pierce to fix their 3 position, but that's still their problem, 4 ppg in 18 minutes. (could blame the system or the player, either way, it's not working out) There are just no other vets with the likes of Battier, Bowen or Mike Miller in the league anymore. Trevor Ariza might be untouchable since the Rockets are desperate right now, I don't think they would want to gamble by trading Ariza away, he's the perfect 3 for their situation, I think.

Real14
12-09-2015, 01:49 AM
Idk but why are they having trouble. They have a stacked ass team and they still need more help?:biggums:

$LakerGold
12-09-2015, 01:55 AM
On paper, stacked 2 years ago.

ClipperRevival
12-09-2015, 02:04 AM
CP3 has lost a step. He can no longer get to anywhere on the court with his dribble. Just a few years back, he was able to break down any defender and get off a good shot with the shot clock running down or create for others. So his slip makes this offense much less potent.

Blake is settling for way too many long 2s. He's been efficient but defenses want him to take that shot.

The starting 3, whether Luc, Lance or Wes aren't good slashers. Barnes was a great slasher in the half court set. So that makes the offense more stagnant.

DJ is playing below his level from last year.

Lance hasn't panned out as hoped. Pierce looks old and slow. Josh makes a dumb play for every good play.

Having said all this, there is still hope for this team. CP3 is an all time great and never underestimate greatness. DJ might improve. The other guys might come around. Maybe it's a matter of jelling with all these new pieces. But this team has not looked like a championship contender, that's for sure. The biggest worry is CP3 for me. He just can't break down defenders like he used too. That made this offense dangerous. So he's being corraled a bit better.

FireDavidKahn
12-09-2015, 02:05 AM
Can't. They have the smell of Sterling and will have it for decades.

dubeta
12-09-2015, 02:06 AM
They dont have a scorer

MMKM
12-09-2015, 02:11 AM
Start from the top down. You should never have a coach who is also the GM who also has a kid on the team (what is this AAU?) that's a mess.

Also defensively I've always thought the clippers starting line up is full of stumps. DJ is relied on as the rim protector. Aside from him, cp3 is stumpy, redick is stumpy, Griffin has a surprisingly short wingspan. So 3 guys in your starting line up don't have a lot of length to contest shots. I know cp3 is a tenacious defender but I always thought it was problematic that guys could just rise up and shoot over him and redick at will.

Dunno, just my two cents.

Spurs m8
12-09-2015, 02:25 AM
Need a better coach, to start with...

They think they're king shit, someone needs to knock that out of them.

CarlosBoozer
12-09-2015, 02:38 AM
Get a fvcking decent SF and backup pg, also doc sucks.

dhsilv
12-09-2015, 02:51 AM
They need a coach badly. Oh and a GM.

LongLiveTheKing
12-09-2015, 03:06 AM
Blake needs to be dominate and stop settling for jumpers.

Thunderfan86
12-09-2015, 03:08 AM
How would you fix the Clippers?
Sell the team back to the racist :confusedshrug:

Nick Young
12-09-2015, 03:28 AM
Change the coach, trade Blake for Zack Randolph, trade CP3 for Tony Parker or Damon Lillard if the Blazers are stupid enough to do that trade.

OR CP3 for Mike Conley and Mark Gasol

Ideal coach: JERRY SLOAN

CP3 and Blake will never win anything, they're mentally deficient, so cash them in while they still have max value before people finally realize they're career losers.

WayOfWade
12-09-2015, 03:29 AM
Kill Donald Stirling, 3 years ago

LoneyROY7
12-09-2015, 03:30 AM
Did you just ask if Blake's play will translate to the playoffs? :roll:

I don't know, does 26/13/6 on 51 percent seem like it translated?

And Paul's days of averaging high point totals are gone unfortunately.

Nick Young
12-09-2015, 03:32 AM
Having said all this, there is still hope for this team. CP3 is an all time great and never underestimate greatness. DJ might improve. The other guys might come around. Maybe it's a matter of jelling with all these new pieces. But this team has not looked like a championship contender, that's for sure. The biggest worry is CP3 for me. He just can't break down defenders like he used too. That made this offense dangerous. So he's being corraled a bit better.
Really? What has he ever accomplished in the playoffs?

bdreason
12-09-2015, 03:45 AM
I'd trade DeAndre Jordan for Danilo Gallinari and JJ Hickson.

$LakerGold
12-09-2015, 03:58 AM
Did you just ask if Blake's play will translate to the playoffs? :roll:

I don't know, does 26/13/6 on 51 percent seem like it translated?

And Paul's days of averaging high point totals are gone unfortunately.
Every season is different, there's a high chance that it will translate well over to the playoffs (but there's also a high chance that it will not, let's not be naive about this subject, we've seen it over and over again with players in his level) but with this team chemistry & team play they're showing -- they look lost & that LITTLE THING MATTER & it might f*cking lead to other aspects of the game like, maybe, I don't know? F*cking production? Poor overall team play often leads or affects individual performance.

He's not smooth as Dirk who can shoot effortlessly, whereas Blake has to dance around the paint for him to score. I wouldn't say it's a terrible idea for him to do that, it's his game & that's the reality of it, though it's as if he has to put an extra effort to score whether if it's mid-range or posting up. And on top of that, isn't he still working on his jumpshot, fixing its arch & loosening up its stiffness?

Who knows if he'll put up huge numbers in the playoffs? Who the f* knows? But the reality is that they're struggling now & maybe because it's all part of the early season slump? But, as of right now, they do not look good which is why I brought up this thread.

Do you think Blake's capable of taking over a game? Do you think he'll ever get to Dirk status in terms of creating shots for himself? Do you think he'll ever be as smooth as Dirk in the post in his prime? Obviously, he doesn't have the shooting touch like Dirk right now, but as a fan, you would think that would be the goal you would want for Blake since he completely wants to reinvent his game add the shooting game to his arsenal. I can remember him saying that he doesn't want to be the guy that was known for dunking. Reaching Dirk's shooting status is my goal for Blake right now & I would love for him to improve now in his mid-range. I think this is where we all disagree, I love it when he takes these mid-range jumper, it tells & shows me that he badly wants to expand his game & take it to another level, but it just does not look good right now & that's the reality of it. Him improving his mid-range jumper could be the answer to all of this. Less hassle & effort to score an easy 2 points rather than spinning & dancing. Think about it.

I don't want make you lose hope, just being realistic.

$LakerGold
12-09-2015, 03:58 AM
Really? What has he ever accomplished in the playoffs?
Please don't, bro.

Young X
12-09-2015, 04:03 AM
The 1st thing I would do without even thinking is get rid of Jamal Crawford no matter what. He's an awful, awful player. He's a complete negative on both sides of the floor in the playoffs. I don't really like using this word but he's a cancer to any team's title hopes.

Then I would add a 2-way wing player that can score and defend well. Then I'd add as many solid bench players as possible especially a decent backup Center and PG.

People (predictably) keep talking about scoring but that's the least of their problems. They've have been the best offensive team for the past couple of seasons. The core they have (Paul/Redick/Griffin/Jordan) is amazing offensively. Easily good enough to win a championship.

Their problems are:

1) Terrible bench play

2) Inconsistent defense

These are the reasons they haven't taken that next step and become contenders. They don't defend well especially on the wing. They don't get the stops they need to. They can't keep teams off the line. They don't rebound like a championship team is supposed to.

They don't have hard working 2-way players. Just a bunch of entitled knuckleheads. No defensive toughness, no defensive resistance, very little discipline = no championship.

LoneyROY7
12-09-2015, 04:06 AM
Blake's jumper is the least of my worries. It's gotten better every season.

His issue lies in his mindset...when he's aggressive/attacking the basket through out the entire game we almost always win, and when he's passive/floating around the perimeter we lose more often than not.

Unfortunately, he still has passive games...less this season than previous ones, but it's still a problem.

Young X
12-09-2015, 04:22 AM
Look at the amount of players the Warriors and Spurs have that contribute on both ends of the floor.

Then look at the Clippers. How many players do they have that play hard and play well on defense and offense? What about OKC?

This is why the Spurs and Warriors are above everybody else in the west. They're balanced, they're disciplined and they have contributing players coming off their benches at all times. They don't just play one side of the floor and rely strictly on star power.

KungFuJoe
12-09-2015, 04:44 AM
Trade Blake. For some solid pieces and a borderline superstar like Paul Millsap or even Favors.

No team wins with Blake as the 1 or even 2nd option.

senelcoolidge
12-09-2015, 12:35 PM
Fire Doc as coach, keep him in the front office if you like. Get rid of Mike Woodson too. Trade Crawford for anything or reduce his minutes. Give a guy like CJ Wilcox a shot even. Doc only plays his favorites.

Bosnian Sajo
12-09-2015, 01:35 PM
They shouldn't of traded Barnes like that, I feel like he always gave 100% on the floor and was a good chemistry/locker room guy. Paul Pierce and Josh Smith are the biggest losers of the 2015 offseason, these guys both had good roles on playoff teams, both averaged double figures. Pierce was a starter and averaged 15 a game in the playoffs, now they both getting 15mpg and scoring only 4ppg...Doc has lost his mind. What is taking him so long, why not just start Pierce? Problem solved.

CP3
Redick
Pierce
Griffin
Jordan

idk how the bench rotation will look like, but they should try to trade for Jack from Brooklyn. Him and Thad for any combination of Smith/Stephenson/Crawford makes sense for both teams. Brooklyn has nothing to lost when it comes on these guys, who knows they might catch fire as starters in the East and light it up. For the Clips, Thad would be a good fit playing both backup SF/PF, or even starting for Pierce. Jack is a tough player, and would do a better job than Rivers at PG.

Or hell, even trade for Joe Johnson. JJ&JJ together in the starting lineup really spreads the floor for the Clips. Oh and resign big baby, you need hustle players.

ArbitraryWater
12-09-2015, 02:18 PM
Did you just ask if Blake's play will translate to the playoffs? :roll:

I don't know, does 26/13/6 on 51 percent seem like it translated?

And Paul's days of averaging high point totals are gone unfortunately.

translate it to me in wcf pls

SwishSquared
12-09-2015, 03:13 PM
They don't have guys who can both play D and hit 3s at a respectable level aside from JJ. People expected Doc's summertime acquisitions to fix their bench problems, but they don't have a true backup PG and Doc doesn't really give Prigioni the chance to do anything.

I wouldn't trade BG unless you decide to completely start over. You can maybe trade CP3, but that would be a move setting you up for the summer + future (would most likely throw away contending this year, though they don't look nearly as good as the Dubs or Spurs). Smart teams may stay away from CP3 anyway since they know he's declining. I can only realistically picture teams like Bulls, Nets, and Knicks doing a deal there.

DJ is the one piece where you can maybe expect to receive the biggest haul. Would Boston do DJ/Wilcox for Amir/Crowder/Hunter + Dallas first? Probably not, but that's likely the best haul they'd get for him.

This is a #hottake but the Clippers window likely has passed them by. Also, they have got to hire a real GM this summer.

sd3035
12-09-2015, 03:17 PM
As long as they have Chris Paul, they won't win a single title

He's a mental midget with a loser's mentality

CavaliersFTW
12-09-2015, 03:21 PM
Put another racist in charge than expose him during the playoffs. They seemed to play the best when they had a chip on their shoulder ala the Sterling audio tape era

Spurs m8
12-09-2015, 04:15 PM
Put another racist in charge than expose him during the playoffs. They seemed to play the best when they had a chip on their shoulder ala the Sterling audio tape era

What?
They got bounced early like always.

r15mohd
12-09-2015, 04:24 PM
Lance/Reddick and Crawford for DRose and Snell - both teams fair better IMO

For the Clips:
No pressure on DRose to start and be a superstar behind CP3
Snell can contribute jsut as good as Lance or Reddick

For the Bulls:
Lance can become a viable 2nd option behind Butler
or Reddick a very good back up to Butler
Crawford another viable threat at SG or off the bench

pastis
12-09-2015, 04:42 PM
griffin right now doesnt space the floor, thats a huge thing to consider. his jumper is really good, but mostly he is free when shooting, occasionally the defense doesnt even try to guard him. but i think this will change the longer blake is hitting regulary his midrange jumper.

sometimes griffin has superb stats but after the game you ask: what? where did he get his 26 points and 12 rebounds?:biggums:

Darius
12-09-2015, 05:23 PM
Need to be healthy and get a real backup PG like Calderon.

Doc has to take the plunge and trust either Wes Johnson or Stephenson to work out their mistakes over time.

All that said, even if they make those fixes, they can't beat the Warriors unless there is an injury.

CavaliersFTW
12-09-2015, 05:25 PM
Move them to Seattle, rename them the Sonics. It's the only way to lift the curse that follows that franchise name around and give those players a chance at winning in the playoffs.

outbreak
12-09-2015, 05:25 PM
Remove Chris Paul.

qrich
12-09-2015, 08:05 PM
1] Get rid of Doc Rivers as the teams General Manager.

2] Trade two of Lance/Austin/Jamal. Send Jamal packing to the Blazers for Chris Kaman.

3] Trade Lance to the 76ers, along with Cole Aldrich and a 2nd round pick in exchange for Tony Wroten Jr., Carl Landry and the worse of the Miami/OKC pick. 6ers dump Landry next year as Lance is unguaranteed, and they don't need five firsts.

4] Trade Josh Smith for a 2nd round pick, or just waive him. Him and Woodson will never get along and Doc won't fire Woodson.

5] Sign Mike Taylor

Run this depth:
Paul (35) / Taylor (10) / Austin (3)
JJ (32) / Wroten (10) / Austin (6)
Wes (25) / Pierce (15) / Wroten (8)
Blake (35) / Pierce (8) / Landry (5)
Jordan (32) / Kaman (16

qrich
12-09-2015, 08:06 PM
Lance/Reddick and Crawford for DRose and Snell - both teams fair better IMO

For the Clips:
No pressure on DRose to start and be a superstar behind CP3
Snell can contribute jsut as good as Lance or Reddick

For the Bulls:
Lance can become a viable 2nd option behind Butler
or Reddick a very good back up to Butler
Crawford another viable threat at SG or off the bench

Rose is damaged goods.

Maybe I'd do Jamal and Lance for him. Not JJ at all.

$LakerGold
12-22-2015, 02:25 AM
Lance/Reddick and Crawford for DRose and Snell - both teams fair better IMO

For the Clips:
No pressure on DRose to start and be a superstar behind CP3
Snell can contribute jsut as good as Lance or Reddick

For the Bulls:
Lance can become a viable 2nd option behind Butler
or Reddick a very good back up to Butler
Crawford another viable threat at SG or off the bench
I like the idea, just don't know if the Clippers would have that kind of patience since this seems to be a 2-3 years project.

D-Rose as a role player would definitely not hurt.

TommyGriffin
12-22-2015, 02:26 AM
Trade Chris Paul for Mike Conley. Clippers finally make it to the WCF.