Popovich: I still hate [3s]. I'll never embrace it. I don't think it's basketball

[oarabbus]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25407446


Pop is pretty damn good at implementing something he hates into the Spurs offense though :bowdown:

[WorldWarriors]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25407446


Pop is pretty damn good at implementing something he hates into the Spurs offense though :bowdown: If he had Steph he'd be embracing the hell out of it.

But they shoot a fair number of threes anyway.

[RoseCity07]

If anyone can figure out Golden State it's Pop. He shut Lebron down with ease.

[FKAri]

and he followed that up by saying. You need 3s to win and the 3 has been integral to their last 4 championships.

[3ball]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25407446


Pop is pretty damn good at implementing something he hates into the Spurs offense though :bowdown:
Spurs only take 20 threes per game, which is below league-average.

But anyway, now that pop said it, do you agree with me?... today's game is bullshit... going for a 3-pointer every possession isn't basketball.

also, the spacing created by 3-pointers PLUS the hands-off defense - it's too much... :facepalm

the neat, organized spacing + league-mandated space between offensive and defensive player makes it look like a marching band or dance routine, not basketball.

[jstern]

It's not basketball in the sense that it's kind of lazy when done too much. What comes to mind is Ray Allen in his last Finals against the Lakers. He was missing jumper after jumper. And in one he has the opportunity of driving in, wide open, or create something, instead he steps back to shoot another miss. When you get in that zone where you want to try your luck one more time, instead of making things happen.

[1987_Lakers]

Larry Bird said something similar during his playing days, funny thing is he was one of the first players to take advantage of that shot.

[Sarcastic]

It was a gimmick that has probably run its course, and gone too far. They should at least move it back to 25 feet or so.

[no pun intended]

If anyone can figure out Golden State it's Pop. He shut Lebron down with ease.
That's stretching it. Pretty sure even Pop didn't think it was easy.

[3ball]

today's game feels like watching someone at dave and buster's play that shooting machine.

boring af

cllliiiick (that's the sound of my remote changing the channel)

[Smoke117]

Larry Bird said something similar during his playing days, funny thing is he was one of the first players to take advantage of that shot.

Yeah, but the most 3pters he ever attempted is 3.3 and in this day and age that would be considered an below average to average amount for a perimeter scorer of Larry's merit. It's also worth nothing that it wasn't until he was 30 that he really started even taking 3 a game. In those threepeat MVP years he averaged 0.9, 1.6, 2.4. For his career he averaged 19.3 shot attempts and of those attempts only 1.9 for 3pters...the three point shot was never a big part of his game.

[imnew09]

mind fking Curry

[3ball]

Yeah, but the most 3pters he ever attempted is 3.3 and in this day and age that would be considered an below average to average amount for a perimeter scorer of Larry's merit. It's also worth nothing that it wasn't until he was 30 that he really started even taking 3 a game. In those threepeat MVP years he averaged 0.9, 1.6, 2.4. For his career he averaged 19.3 shot attempts and of those attempts only 1.9 for 3pters...the three point shot was never a big part of his game.
Yeah, Bird could be MVP with or without a 3-point line.

Whereas Curry is only capable of MVP with a 3-point line, which isn't real basketball, as popovich said..

it's just some arbitrary bullshit where today's player is rewarded with an extra point for taking the same shots guys took in the 70's.. In Curry's case, he relies on the shot to be a great player.
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[KirbyPls]

ITT people desperate to believe a GOAT coach is being real as he's annoyingly answering retarded media questions.

POP hates 3s like 20four hates having the unofficial Orange County Dairy Queen record for fastest drive thru clean up at closing time. Pop and Chokefrees' patented efficiency in their respective areas of professional expertise are admirable, despite their attempts to "minimize" their accomplishments.

Don't get it twisted, Pop pretends he doesn't like 3s like 20Four pretends he's a nurse. It's all misdirection; only difference is that Pop is relevant.

[3ball]

ITT people desperate to believe a GOAT coach is being real as he's annoyingly answering retarded media questions.

POP hates 3s like 20four hates having the unofficial Orange County Dairy Queen record for fastest drive thru clean up at closing time. Pop and Chokefrees' patented efficiency in their respective areas of professional expertise are admirable, despite their attempts to "minimize" their accomplishments.

Don't get it twisted, Pop pretends he doesn't like 3s like 20Four pretends he's a nurse. It's all misdirection; only difference is that Pop is relevant.
You sound like you're in the 3rd grade writing such delusions - making up your own reality ("b-but he didn't really mean it!")

Pop understands the 3-point shot is arbitrary bullshit where today's player is rewarded with an extra point for taking the same shots guys took in the 70's.. In Curry's case, he relies on the shot to be a great player.

[KirbyPls]

You sound like you're in the 3rd grade writing such delusions - making up your own reality ("b-but he didn't really mean it!")

Pop understands the 3-point shot is arbitrary bullshit where today's player is rewarded with an extra point for taking the same shots guys took in the 70's.. In Curry's case, he relies on the shot to be a great player.

So Pop's last title squad less than two years ago didn't intentionally use the three to devastating effect in routing the Heat in the Finals? Green didn't set a record? It was all coincidence?

Unless you're insecure about Curry besting your demigod (which he has, Kobetard), stick to fellating Kobe in your green room, while you pretend to be an MJ stan, and let people who actually watch basketball opine on the game. :cheers:

[3ball]

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it's obvious that MJ was more efficient than Curry:


Player Efficiency Rating

1984-85 NBA 25.8 (2)
1986-87 NBA 29.8 (1)
1987-88 NBA 31.7 (1)
1988-89 NBA 31.1 (1)
1989-90 NBA 31.2 (1)
1990-91 NBA 31.6 (1)
1991-92 NBA 27.7 (1)
1992-93 NBA 29.7 (1)
1995-96 NBA 29.4 (2)
1996-97 NBA 27.8 (2)
1997-98 NBA 25.2 (4)
Career NBA 27.9 (1)
Career 27.9 (1)


Let me know when Curry has 4 straight seasons of 31+ PER and 120+ ORtg...
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[Clifton]

1. I agree with him.

2.


mind fking Curry
Yes, he is! The guy is a genius. There is nothing else you can get at Curry for these days. He's the basketball world's darling. But in Pop's line of work, you have to get at Curry somehow.

[3ball]

Unless you're insecure about Curry besting your demigod



MJ was a FAR better shooter inside 20 feet (all stats from nba.com):


.....................MJ 1997...................Curry 2015............ Curry 2016

5-9 ft.......... 49.2%, 126 fga........... 40.3%, 72 fga.......... 60.9%, 21 fga

10-14 ft....... 51.5%, 466 fga........... 52.9%, 85 fga.......... 50.0%, 16 fga

15-19 ft....... 49.5%, 594 fga........... 43.9%, 132 fga........ 40.6%, 32 fga



Overall midrange % (all shots inside the 3-point line but outside the paint)

JORDAN 1997: 49.3%, 1202 fga
CURRY. 2015: 41.1%, 285 fga
CURRY. 2016: 47.4%, 57 fga


Anyone who disagrees that MJ is the far better shooter inside 20 feet must explain why Curry shoots FAR worse percentage inside 20 feet..

Since MJ was a better shooter, he was better in virtually EVERY aspect of the game

[KirbyPls]

[QUOTE=3ball]MJ was a FAR better shooter inside 20 feet (all stats from nba.com):


.....................MJ 1997...................Curry 2015............ Curry 2016

5-9 ft.......... 49.2%, 126 fga........... 40.3%, 72 fga.......... 60.9%, 21 fga

10-14 ft....... 51.5%, 466 fga........... 52.9%, 85 fga.......... 50.0%, 16 fga

15-19 ft....... 49.5%, 594 fga........... 43.9%, 132 fga........ 40.6%, 32 fga



Overall midrange % (all shots inside the 3-point line but outside the paint)

JORDAN 1997: 49.3%, 1202 fga
CURRY. 2015: 41.1%, 285 fga
CURRY. 2016: 47.4%, 57 fga


Anyone who disagrees that MJ is the far better shooter inside 20 feet must explain why Curry shoots FAR worse percentage inside 20 feet..

Since MJ was a better shooter, he was better in virtually EVERY aspect of the game [/QUOT


Can you post points per shot? Why would I care about midrange shots when they're worth 66% percent as much from a scoring standpoint, and Curry shoots them better than your idol's (Kobe) career midrange clip?

[DCL]

today's game feels like watching someone at dave and buster's play that shooting machine.

boring af

cllliiiick (that's the sound of my remote changing the channel)

if you hate the 3 so much, why did you name yourself 3ball?

[IMObjective]

So Pop's last title squad less than two years ago didn't intentionally use the three to devastating effect in routing the Heat in the Finals? Green didn't set a record? It was all coincidence?

Unless you're insecure about Curry besting your demigod (which he has, Kobetard), stick to fellating Kobe in your green room, while you pretend to be an MJ stan, and let people who actually watch basketball opine on the game. :cheers:Why the **** do you think he's a Kobe stan?

[KirbyPls]

Why the **** do you think he's a Kobe stan?

He hates MJ. Only a Kobetard would low-key lie by artificially pumping up the GOAT's stats to make a "point."

He/she/it's been caught before blatantly lying and puffing up MJ's stats, which is pathetic, since he has the best stats ever when it matters anyway.

3ball is the greatest Kobetard ever, and the principle reason why Kenneth is melting down harder than usual lately,since he knows that he's been surpassed on the GOAT Kobetard list.

[KirbyPls]

In addition to ORtg, it's VERY obvious that MJ was more efficient than Curry:

Player Efficiency Rating

1984-85 NBA 25.8 (2)
1986-87 NBA 29.8 (1)
1987-88 NBA 31.7 (1)
1988-89 NBA 31.1 (1)
1989-90 NBA 31.2 (1)
1990-91 NBA 31.6 (1)
1991-92 NBA 27.7 (1)
1992-93 NBA 29.7 (1)
1995-96 NBA 29.4 (2)
1996-97 NBA 27.8 (2)
1997-98 NBA 25.2 (4)
Career NBA 27.9 (1)
Career 27.9 (1)


Let me know when Curry has 4 straight seasons of 31+ PER and 120+ ORtg... :rolleyes:

Can I get this post in 23 straight on 70% TS?

[3ball]

Can you post points per shot? Why would I care about midrange shots when they're worth 66% percent as much from a scoring standpoint, and Curry shoots them better than your idol's (Kobe) career midrange clip?


Who cares about points per shot - many bad players (like 7 ppg bigs) have higher points per shot... ditto on guys like Kyle korver, reggie miller and curry.

A far superior efficiency measure is points produced per possession, or offensive rating (ORtg)... This stat includes assists and turnovers, as well as shooting efficiency.

MJ produced more points per possession than Curry (higher ORtg), and is therefore more efficient..
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[3ball]

He hates MJ. Only a Kobetard would low-key lie by artificially pumping up the GOAT's stats to make a "point."

He/she/it's been caught before blatantly lying and puffing up MJ's stats, which is pathetic, since he has the best stats ever when it matters anyway.


Which stat did I pump up?

I don't need to pump any of MJ's stats up - you think I'm making up Jordan's shooting stats inside 20 feet?

I'm going to re-post the stats WITH links to the data from stats.nba.com...

MJ shoots 5 times as often from midrange, while shooting almost 10 percentage points better than Curry - those are the facts (which you'll see in a minute).

[3ball]

MJ shooting data from 1997 season: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season
Curry shooting data from 2015 season: stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season


...........MJ was a FAR better shooter inside 20 feet:


.....................MJ 1997...................Curry 2015............ Curry 2016

5-9 ft.......... 49.2%, 126 fga........... 40.3%, 72 fga.......... 60.9%, 21 fga

10-14 ft....... 51.5%, 466 fga........... 52.9%, 85 fga.......... 50.0%, 16 fga

15-19 ft....... 49.5%, 594 fga........... 43.9%, 132 fga........ 40.6%, 32 fga



Overall midrange % (all shots inside the 3-point line but outside the paint)

JORDAN 1997: 49.3%, 1202 fga
CURRY. 2015: 41.1%, 285 fga
CURRY. 2016: 47.4%, 57 fga


Anyone who disagrees that MJ was a better shooter inside 20 feet must explain why Curry shoots FAR worse percentage inside 20 feet..

Since MJ was a better shooter, he was better in virtually EVERY aspect of the game

[3ball]

Can I get this post in 23 straight on 70% TS?


Who cares about true shooting - there are bad players with 70% true shooting for an entire SEASON, such as big men who average 5 ppg.

True shooting doesn't measure assists or turnovers and it doesn't measure on a per possession basis.

A far superior efficiency measure is points produced per possession, or offensive rating (ORtg)... This stat includes assists and turnovers and it's measured on a per possession basis.

MJ produced more points per possession than Curry (higher ORtg), and is therefore more efficient.

[warriorfan]

mind fking Curry

lol got pop on the lowkey meltdown :lol

[3ball]

lol got pop on the lowkey meltdown :lol
Well, it's gotta be pretty annoying to see a fragile, 6'2" player dominate a hands-off league with a gimmick.

Curry is only capable of MVP with a 3-point line, which isn't real basketball, as popovich said..

it's just some arbitrary bullshit where today's player is rewarded with an extra point for taking the same shots guys took in the 70's.. In Curry's case, he relies on the shot to be a great player.

[warriorfan]

Well, it's gotta be pretty annoying to see a fragile, 6'2" player dominate a hands-off league with a gimmick.

Curry is only capable of MVP with a 3-point line, which isn't real basketball, as popovich said..

it's just some arbitrary bullshit where today's player is rewarded with an extra point for taking the same shots guys took in the 70's.. In Curry's case, he relies on the shot to be a great player.

Stephen Curry is shooting 75 percent (15-20) from 28 feet & beyond this season, most FG & FGA from that distance this season
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/674364026231627777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

If his gimmick is being able to hit 28+ footers at 75%, then it's a good enough gimmick to be rewarded with an extra point.

It's safe to say that hitting a 28+ footer off the dribble is at least 33% harder than making a 2 pointer.

Curry may be a gimmick, but it is the greatest gimmick that the basketball world has ever seen.

[3ball]

If his gimmick is being able to hit 28+ footers at 75%, then it's a good enough gimmick to be rewarded with an extra point.

It's safe to say that hitting a 28+ footer off the dribble is at least 33% harder than making a 2 pointer.


You're bragging about a 28 footer, which he attempts less than once per game?.. So once per game, he takes a 28 footer.

Also, 2-pointers are far better contested.. This is fact.





Curry may be a gimmick, but it is the greatest gimmick that the basketball world has ever seen.


If Curry was born in the 70's instead of now, he wouldn't be MVP... Curry isn't capable of being that caliber without the 3-point line - this is obvious, and therefore he relies on a less-contested gimmick to be great.

Btw, Curry is inferior to Jordan in virtually every category, including efficiency (points-per-possession) and shooting (inside 20 feet)... Again, all facts.
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[dhsilv]

All of this is just comical. The 3 point shot is the best thing outside of the shot clock to be added to the game, or are we gonna complain that the shot clock ruined the game too?

[Haymaker]

Spurs only take 20 threes per game, which is below league-average.

But anyway, now that pop said it, do you agree with me?... today's game is bullshit... going for a 3-pointer every possession isn't basketball.

also, the spacing created by 3-pointers PLUS the hands-off defense - it's too much... :facepalm

the neat, organized spacing + league-mandated space between offensive and defensive player makes it look like a marching band or dance routine, not basketball.

Thank Bryan Fvckangelo for that.

[90sgoat]

All of this is just comical. The 3 point shot is the best thing outside of the shot clock to be added to the game, or are we gonna complain that the shot clock ruined the game too?

No but the balance is off. Shot clock should be raised to 30 seconds to allow big playing teams to get their spot, this has been discussed by coaches, sag semi zone makes post entry pass more difficult.

[3ball]

No but the balance is off. Shot clock should be raised to 30 seconds to allow big playing teams to get their spot, this has been discussed by coaches, sag semi zone makes post entry pass more difficult.
show me where a coach said the semi zone sagging makes post entry pass more difficult.

[dhsilv]

No but the balance is off. Shot clock should be raised to 30 seconds to allow big playing teams to get their spot, this has been discussed by coaches, sag semi zone makes post entry pass more difficult.

Well yeah the zone makes post play difficult. However we're seeing the spurs do well this year with a lot of post play. As long as rules favor the player with the ball, creative offenses will be created to counter defenses. As teams shift their lineups to counter other offensive game plans, new offensive options will be available. It's a wonderful game of chess that is in constant motion.

If you don't like all the 3's eventually we'll move back to more post play. When is anyone's guess, but for now you have the griz and spurs if you want to see more post play in the league...

[Clifton]

Anyone who disagrees that MJ was a better shooter inside 20 feet must explain why Curry shoots FAR worse percentage inside 20 feet..
You're framing the issue wrong. You're restricting shooting to "shooting inside 20 feet" (minus free throws, I assume) in order to exclude from consideration Curry's unprecedented abilities from 20-30 feet.

Shaq was a better shooter inside 5 feet than MJ. Does that make him a better shooter than MJ?

MJ was a better PLAYER than Curry -- is that not enough for you?

[Jon_Koncak]

All of this is just comical. The 3 point shot is the best thing outside of the shot clock to be added to the game, or are we gonna complain that the shot clock ruined the game too?

For a shot to be worth 50% more than a regular field goal it's got to be a damn hard shot to make.Are 3 pointers difficult to make anymore?I dont think so,everyone and their mother can make a 3 now.NBA needs to either abolish the 3 point line or move it ALOT further.

[3ball]

For a shot to be worth 50% more than a regular field goal it's got to be a damn hard shot to make.Are 3 pointers difficult to make anymore?I dont think so,everyone and their mother can make a 3 now.NBA needs to either abolish the 3 point line or move it ALOT further.
http://i.imgur.com/UDMrGzI.gif

[3ball]

You're framing the issue wrong. You're restricting shooting to "shooting inside 20 feet" (minus free throws, I assume) in order to exclude from consideration Curry's unprecedented abilities from 20-30 feet.

Shaq was a better shooter inside 5 feet than MJ. Does that make him a better shooter than MJ?

MJ was a better PLAYER than Curry -- is that not enough for you?
pure bullshit.

again, anyone trying to say MJ didn't shoot better from inside 20 feet must explain WHY Curry shoots so much worse than MJ inside 20 feet.

you failed to explain why he shoots so much worse - therefore, MJ is the far better shooter inside 20 feet, as the stats already prove.

[90sgoat]

Well yeah the zone makes post play difficult. However we're seeing the spurs do well this year with a lot of post play. As long as rules favor the player with the ball, creative offenses will be created to counter defenses. As teams shift their lineups to counter other offensive game plans, new offensive options will be available. It's a wonderful game of chess that is in constant motion.

If you don't like all the 3's eventually we'll move back to more post play. When is anyone's guess, but for now you have the griz and spurs if you want to see more post play in the league...

Post play is not more difficult, getting the ball to your center is more difficult, also because of the decline in center and point guard inside out play. So many players today don't even know how to set up an entry pass.

[3ball]

Post play is not more difficult, getting the ball to your center is more difficult, also because of the decline in center and point guard inside out play. So many players today don't even know how to set up an entry pass.
Defenders in today's game can only sag off 3-point shooters until they meet the paint... Once the defender meets the paint, they can't sag off any further other than 3 seconds in the paint.

Defenders in previous eras could do the EXACT SAME THING, including the 3 seconds in the lane..

And on corner/sideline 3-pointers, defenders could sag off and paint-camp in the "outside lane" with no time limit... Today's defenders only have 3 seconds in the outside lane, just like the inside lane.

But keep thinking that defenders in previous eras couldn't sag off 3-point shooters as much as today's defender... You're just wrong.. That's all.

[Segatti]

We need illegal defense back. 3 pointers don't need a nerf, it's low post scoring that needs a buff.

[diamenz]

pop is just old school in his thinking, but he's right - basketball should be played from the inside-out. nothing more boring than watching a team that doesn't value their possessions and just jack up threes.

3's should be reserved for players than can shoot it. rose, westbrook and bosh should never be shootin' em imo.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

All this talk about adding "more seconds" to the shotclock is hilarious. :oldlol: That would be dumb as hell.

Just bring back hand-checking from the 70s & 80s. Curry is literally untouchable with the rules today, which don't allow you to touch or dictate the movement of an offensive player. He's basically got free reign everywhere on the court.

[Sakkreth]

All this talk about adding "more seconds" to the shotclock is hilarious. :oldlol: That would be dumb as hell.

Just bring back hand-checking from the 70s & 80s. Curry is literally untouchable with the rules today, which don't allow you to touch or dictate the movement of an offensive player. He's basically got free reign everywhere on the court.

Yeah it's basically I move where I want or it's a foul.

[Showtime80']

The problem the NBA is going to face in the near future is the same one it faced during the mid 90's and early 2000's when teams started to copy the Jordan Bulls model in team building and it resulted in some of the most dreadful basketball ever witnessed in the early part of the 21st century, primarily because none of the new gen players (Iverson, Kidd, Francis, Marbury, Baron Davis, Ray Allen, Carter, McGrady, Hill etc..) were as good as Michael Jordan to surround with role players and still win but also there was a sharp decline in fundamentals (specially low post play and pass first PG's) that didn't help the league in the new millennium.

Same thing will happen with the Warriors, specially if they dominate this year. Teams will basically say let's just build a team full of Kyle Korvers and role the dice and it WILL result in even worse basketball than what you saw in the late 90's and early 2000's with teams taking 80 to 100 3's per game without much regard to anything else.

People act like "spacing" was invented 2 years ago, WRONG!!! Spacing ALWAYS existed in the NBA before the mid 90's when the league started copying the Bulls. The difference was that the space was created from doubling down low against dominant low post players and the resulting kickout pass creating a wide open look which back then was mostly an open 18 to 20 footer or cutting to the basket for a layup (Magic and Kareem had that one dialed automatic). That's why the offenses were so quick and polished back in the 80's because they made the game SIMPLE by playing it inside-out and not trying the beat the defense with score first PG's 30 feet away from the basket like they do today.

And again, THE ZONE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!! Low post play was dying back in the mid 90's in favor of perimeter dominant play and thanks to that fact the league WAS FORCED to change the rules to open up and make the game EASIER for those perimeter players to thrive.

Tim Duncan at 40+ years old, still the closest and last thing resembling a post player in today's league has had his most success playing after the zone rules came into effect and STILL can get position in the post basically anytime he wants because he has A COMMITMENT to that style of play and the perimeter players around him have a COMMITMENT to get him the ball down low. The sad thing is they are the last team to exhibit these qualities consistently and there doesn't seem to be any torch carriers for the next generation.

[jstern]

today's game feels like watching someone at dave and buster's play that shooting machine.

boring af

cllliiiick (that's the sound of my remote changing the channel)

That's a good analogy. It eventually gets boring when that's all you're doing.

[TemporaMutantur]

pure bullshit.

again, anyone trying to say MJ didn't shoot better from inside 20 feet must explain WHY Curry shoots so much worse than MJ inside 20 feet.

you failed to explain why he shoots so much worse - therefore, MJ is the far better shooter inside 20 feet, as the stats already prove.

It honestly seems as if MJ is holding a gun to your head with one hand and jerking himself with the other.

Is everything okay, man? Usually, I would attribute your MJ fueled agenda as a means to find significance in your insignificant life, but I must say, this is beyond zealous, which makes me wonder, is everything okay? Do you want to vent about something personal? Is your wife a whore? Are you self-loathing due to finding your 14 year old niece attractive? Were you not pleased with the results of the girth-expanding penile surgery?

I just simply don't get why you have to spew your MJ fluids on everyone, considering he's still the consensus all time great without your input. I honestly dislike him more exclusively due to you trying to defend him all the time. Usually, people in the defense are in a weak position, but here, you're actually weakening a strong position.

Why can't you ****ing embrace new great players? What's wrong with you? Do you only like MJ and not basketball itself? I am sure that I am not alone when I say that reading your posts make me cringe. I hate you, man.

[WorldWarriors]

One freakin' player got the whole league in an uproar cause he's good from 3 point range. :oldlol: :oldlol:

Because Curry is prolific at a skill that can win championships all of a sudden it's a bad thing. How one player can cause this much commotion is hilarious and sad at the same time. :oldlol:

[Showtime80']

Curry is great at 3's in a league which altered the rules to make the game easier for players like him and a league where EVERYBODY tries to either shoot 3's or penetrate. It is an accomplishment but not that significant when the NBA basically manipulated the rules since the mid 90's taking away the physicality of the game.

The guards and wing players like Bird, Michael, Magic and Isiah that DOMINATED when the game was brutally physical and the league catered to the big men will ALWAYS garner more respect from the public.

[WorldWarriors]

Curry is great at 3's in a league which altered the rules to make the game easier for players like him and a league where EVERYBODY tries to either shoot 3's or penetrate. It is an accomplishment but not that significant when the NBA basically manipulated the rules since the mid 90's taking away the physicality of the game.

The guards and wing players like Bird, Michael, Magic and Isiah that DOMINATED when the game was brutally physical and the league catered to the big men will ALWAYS garner more respect from the public.
I lived through that era of basketball you are talking about and I enjoyed every minute of it. It can't be replicated I agree. But to those who never witnessed it, it means nothing. The public is made up of more than old school ball fans. There's a whole generation out here that do respect and love the game as its played today. There is no easy way to measure which has more respect.

[Showtime80']

I agree with that WW but I have a serious problem with a sport that alters its rules for the sake of entertainment.

I've been a soccer fan for 25+ years and still remember the early mid 80's and early 90's Italian league, Spanish league, Premiership and even World Cups where scoring started going down and a lot of people, mainly from the US, wanted FIFA to tinker with the rules to open up play like taking away the offside rule.

FIFA as usual did NOTHING and low behold from 1994 onward we've had possibly the greatest individual scoring resurgence seen in the history of the sport with the likes of Romario, Baggio, Zidane, Ronaldo (el fenomeno), Rivaldo, Ronaldhino, Messi, Ronaldo (7), Kaka and the list goes on.

I respect FIFA a lot for not going crazy during that time and tinkering with the rules like the NBA has in the last 20+ years. I admire those players above because they play in the same (sometimes even more physical) atmosphere guys like Pele, Maradona, Cruyff and Zico played before them. The game upheld it's essence.

The NBA on the other hand sold it's soul to the "I wanna be like Mike" generation and basically said "Screw fundamentals, you're not even going to need them anymore after we change the rules" style you see today.

Thus, for A LOT people that grew up fans of 80's basketball, the present game seems like a watered down, soft, altered, unrecognizable video game like 3 pointer fest!

[brain drain]

Curry is great at 3's in a league which altered the rules to make the game easier for players like him and a league where EVERYBODY tries to either shoot 3's or penetrate. It is an accomplishment but not that significant when the NBA basically manipulated the rules since the mid 90's taking away the physicality of the game.

I'd argue that the old illegal defense rules which promoted iso basketball were the "artificial advantage" rules, and getting rid of them was returning to a more normal state.

Especially since practically no other league besides the NBA ever used those rules.

[Showtime80']

The old rules didn't promote ANYTHING, Michael Jeffrey Jordan is what promoted the ISO basketball that came in vogue from the mid 90's onward. The generations that followed him bought into it hook, line and sinker but the problem was that NONE of those players was as fundamentally sound, hard working, efficient and just point blank as good as Michael!

Some of the most beautiful TEAM basketball happened before 1990 with the 80's Celtics, Lakers, Sixers and Pistons, The 70's Knicks and Blazers, the 60's Celtics etc...

Put the same soft video game rules you have today during and those teams would've played the EXACT SAME WAY!!! They were great TEAMS with superstars in the positions of role players. That's what made those teams special.

[stalkerforlife]

It honestly seems as if MJ is holding a gun to your head with one hand and jerking himself with the other.

Is everything okay, man? Usually, I would attribute your MJ fueled agenda as a means to find significance in your insignificant life, but I must say, this is beyond zealous, which makes me wonder, is everything okay? Do you want to vent about something personal? Is your wife a whore? Are you self-loathing due to finding your 14 year old niece attractive? Were you not pleased with the results of the girth-expanding penile surgery?

I just simply don't get why you have to spew your MJ fluids on everyone, considering he's still the consensus all time great without your input. I honestly dislike him more exclusively due to you trying to defend him all the time. Usually, people in the defense are in a weak position, but here, you're actually weakening a strong position.

Why can't you ****ing embrace new great players? What's wrong with you? Do you only like MJ and not basketball itself? I am sure that I am not alone when I say that reading your posts make me cringe. I hate you, man.

:biggums: :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The old rules didn't promote ANYTHING, Michael Jeffrey Jordan is what promoted the ISO basketball that came in vogue from the mid 90's onward. The generations that followed him bought into it hook, line and sinker but the problem was that NONE of those players was as fundamentally sound, hard working, efficient and just point blank as good as Michael!

Some of the most beautiful TEAM basketball happened before 1990 with the 80's Celtics, Lakers, Sixers and Pistons, The 70's Knicks and Blazers, the 60's Celtics etc...

Put the same soft video game rules you have today during and those teams would've played the EXACT SAME WAY!!! They were great TEAMS with superstars in the positions of role players. That's what made those teams special.

True.

Could you imagine somebody like Dale Ellis playing with today's rules? A guy that could score from everywhere, while being one of the greatest shooters all-time? With MORE spacing, less physicality, and perimeter-friendly scoring, the dude is gonna be a perennial 25ppg stud on insane shooting percentages.

Curry is the greatest shooter, but Ellis would be right there with KD.

[90sgoat]

The old rules didn't promote ANYTHING, Michael Jeffrey Jordan is what promoted the ISO basketball that came in vogue from the mid 90's onward. The generations that followed him bought into it hook, line and sinker but the problem was that NONE of those players was as fundamentally sound, hard working, efficient and just point blank as good as Michael!

Some of the most beautiful TEAM basketball happened before 1990 with the 80's Celtics, Lakers, Sixers and Pistons, The 70's Knicks and Blazers, the 60's Celtics etc...

Put the same soft video game rules you have today during and those teams would've played the EXACT SAME WAY!!! They were great TEAMS with superstars in the positions of role players. That's what made those teams special.

This is often forgotten.

The current rules did not develop in a vacuum.

The dip in scoring in the late 90s was twofold. It was part trend as teams emulated the tough defensive mindset of teams like Riley Knicks, Riley Heat and Seattle Supersonics.

Second was the coming of the I Wanna Be Like Mike iso players, the Carters, Kobe, AI, Stackhouse, Garnett, Arenas, McGrady and so on.

These players all had in common, outside Kobe, that they couldn't hit an open jumper to save their life.

It was obvious to any previous watcher in the early 00s that fundamentals was at an all time low. What was automatic knockdowns of open 2s in the past now CLANK! at the rim.

[90sgoat]

True.

Could you imagine somebody like Dale Ellis playing with today's rules? A guy that could score from everywhere, while being one of the greatest shooters all-time? With MORE spacing, less physicality, and perimeter-friendly scoring, the dude is gonna be a perennial 25ppg stud on insane shooting percentages.

Curry is the greatest shooter, but Ellis would be right there with KD.

Mark Price would be prime Nash for every season if not prime Curry. Price put up 20-10 on damn near 50-45-90 in the early 90s, he would FEAST on open lanes today.

[PistonsFan#21]

This is often forgotten.

The current rules did not develop in a vacuum.

The dip in scoring in the late 90s was twofold. It was part trend as teams emulated the tough defensive mindset of teams like Riley Knicks, Riley Heat and Seattle Supersonics.

Second was the coming of the I Wanna Be Like Mike iso players, the Carters, Kobe, AI, Stackhouse, Garnett, Arenas, McGrady and so on.

These players all had in common, outside Kobe, that they couldn't hit an open jumper to save their life.

It was obvious to any previous watcher in the early 00s that fundamentals was at an all time low. What was automatic knockdowns of open 2s in the past now CLANK! at the rim.

:biggums: What kind of drugs are you taking?

[Clifton]

again, anyone trying to say MJ didn't shoot better from inside 20 feet must explain WHY Curry shoots so much worse than MJ inside 20 feet.

you failed to explain why he shoots so much worse - therefore, MJ is the far better shooter inside 20 feet, as the stats already prove.
He shoots worse inside 20 feet for 2 reasons:

1. He's small and it's harder to get up shots in the paint. He's not dunking over anyone. A shot that would be a gimmie or a dunk for MJ is an impossible-looking floater or layup for Steph (which he usually still makes).

2. That's not his game. His game is 20-30 feet and layups. He doesn't assert himself or get into rhythm in the zone in which MJ excelled (10-20 feet). His coach doesn't call plays to get him open in that zone. When he shoots in that zone, he's usually improvising. His game is 3s and floaters.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Mark Price would be prime Nash for every season if not prime Curry. Price put up 20-10 on damn near 50-45-90 in the early 90s, he would FEAST on open lanes today.


I wouldn't go that far. Curry is a better scorer than both players, especially at creating his own shot.

You might be right on dude being a Steve Nash though.

Mark Price was more athletic and a much better defender as well.

[tmacattack33]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25407446


Pop is pretty damn good at implementing something he hates into the Spurs offense though :bowdown:

...and resting your perfectly healthy players for no reason is not basketball either.

[WorldWarriors]

I agree with that WW but I have a serious problem with a sport that alters its rules for the sake of entertainment.

I've been a soccer fan for 25+ years and still remember the early mid 80's and early 90's Italian league, Spanish league, Premiership and even World Cups where scoring started going down and a lot of people, mainly from the US, wanted FIFA to tinker with the rules to open up play like taking away the offside rule.

FIFA as usual did NOTHING and low behold from 1994 onward we've had possibly the greatest individual scoring resurgence seen in the history of the sport with the likes of Romario, Baggio, Zidane, Ronaldo (el fenomeno), Rivaldo, Ronaldhino, Messi, Ronaldo (7), Kaka and the list goes on.

I respect FIFA a lot for not going crazy during that time and tinkering with the rules like the NBA has in the last 20+ years. I admire those players above because they play in the same (sometimes even more physical) atmosphere guys like Pele, Maradona, Cruyff and Zico played before them. The game upheld it's essence.

The NBA on the other hand sold it's soul to the "I wanna be like Mike" generation and basically said "Screw fundamentals, you're not even going to need them anymore after we change the rules" style you see today.

Thus, for A LOT people that grew up fans of 80's basketball, the present game seems like a watered down, soft, altered, unrecognizable video game like 3 pointer fest!
To be honest, I enjoy it all. I do prefer the old school inside outside game. However, I won't agree that the league took a wrong turn with the rule changes. Where I believe it went left was the influx of players being drafted on potential with very little skill. There was a period of time when team's were trying desperately to draft the next Jordan or the next Shaq instead of trying to build a team of good players. It hurts my soul to see that the skilled big man is all but extinct in today's game.

It's not Stephen's fault that the rules are what they are. He is a player that has worked and continues to work on his game to be better. The Warriors play team ball and are winning. They used the best asset they had available and built a championship level team around him.

[Derka]

Doesn't have to personally like it, but he's lying by saying he hasn't embraced it. His guys shoot the shit out of some 3's if its the right shot to take.

[Showtime80']

Can't argue with you there WW! They do play very well as a team and are the best at using the primary modern league-wide weapon (3 pointer) to their advantage.

I may not be that big of a fan of it and hope my Lakers build a team resembling something of an inside out principle but you can't deny the obvious, the Warriors and Steph are the class of the 2016 NBA!

[VengefulAngel]

This thread is full of absolutely atrocious posters who know nothing about the game of basketball nor will they ever. I would attempt to argue with them but I think it's a lost cause.

[mehyaM24]

This thread is full of absolutely atrocious posters who know nothing about the game of basketball nor will they ever. I would attempt to argue with them but I think it's a lost cause.

uhhh

what was said itt that was wrong? imo, the rules need to NERFED

[Showtime80']

In my opinion, bring back handchecking, take away the stupid flagrant foul rules, eliminated that 3 seconds in the paint BS (let them play REAL ZONE) and let's get it ON!!!! Basically, the NCAA of the late 80's, early 90's!

Let's see if the "manufactured" superstars like Harden and Westbrook can handle that!

[WorldWarriors]

Can't argue with you there WW! They do play very well as a team and are the best at using the primary modern league-wide weapon (3 pointer) to their advantage.

I may not be that big of a fan of it and hope my Lakers build a team resembling something of an inside out principle but you can't deny the obvious, the Warriors and Steph are the class of the 2016 NBA! It's funny because the Warriors for the last decade or so have been so unsuccessful in drafting a decent big man. They drafted bust after bust at the 4 and 5 for YEARS.:oldlol: trying to find that golden goose. Finally after all these years the player that brought them success was a little guy.:roll:

I haven't seen any big men with back to the basket skills anywhere. Are there any players like that even in college these days?

[3ball]

MJ was a FAR better shooter inside 20 feet (all stats from nba.com):


.....................MJ 1997...................Curry 2015............ Curry 2016

5-9 ft.......... 49.2%, 126 fga........... 40.3%, 72 fga.......... 60.9%, 21 fga

10-14 ft....... 51.5%, 466 fga........... 52.9%, 85 fga.......... 50.0%, 16 fga

15-19 ft....... 49.5%, 594 fga........... 43.9%, 132 fga........ 40.6%, 32 fga




Curry shoots worse inside 20 feet for 2 reasons:

1. He's small and it's harder to get up shots in the paint.


The data I showed did not include shots in the paint:

Overall midrange % (all shots inside the 3-point line but outside the paint)

JORDAN 1997: 49.3%, 1202 fga
CURRY.. 2015: 41.1%, 285 fga
CURRY.. 2016: 47.4%, 57 fga

Source: nba.com


Next time, try to have a long enough attention span to read the entire post.. :rolleyes:





2. That's not his game. His game is 20-30 feet and layups. He doesn't assert himself or get into rhythm in the zone in which MJ excelled (10-20 feet). His coach doesn't call plays to get him open in that zone. When he shoots in that zone, he's usually improvising. His game is 3s and floaters.


All these things explain why MJ didn't shoot 3-pointers..

Your rationale explains why ANY player's efficiency is lower in a given area.

[mehyaM24]

3ball,

who's the best player ITG with the 1999-2004 rules (pre abolition of handcheck) ??

[Showtime80']

Tell me about me about it WW! But don't feel bad, the last true dominant inside player was drafted back in 1997 (Tim Duncan) and looks to be that way for a while specially with the league focus on maximizing perimeter play.

The problem with low post skills is that they are easily the HARDEST to master because even if you have a couple of moves you still have to be strong enough to get position and doing that 40+ minutes a game while also being a defensive anchor at the other end is the HARDEST JOB IN BASKETBALL!!! And that my friend you can't develop in college or after getting into the pros, those type of fundamentals have to be rooted in guys from grade school!

That's why kids wanted to become Michael Jordan instead of Olajuwon, Kareem, Ewing, Moses or McHale, it is a lot easier!!!

[ArbitraryWater]

This is often forgotten.

The current rules did not develop in a vacuum.

The dip in scoring in the late 90s was twofold. It was part trend as teams emulated the tough defensive mindset of teams like Riley Knicks, Riley Heat and Seattle Supersonics.

Second was the coming of the I Wanna Be Like Mike iso players, the Carters, Kobe, AI, Stackhouse, Garnett, Arenas, McGrady and so on.

These players all had in common, outside Kobe, that they couldn't hit an open jumper to save their life.

It was obvious to any previous watcher in the early 00s that fundamentals was at an all time low. What was automatic knockdowns of open 2s in the past now CLANK! at the rim.

http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah306/MaleRuler/GIFs/laugh5_zpsmapi2btx.gif (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/MaleRuler/media/GIFs/laugh5_zpsmapi2btx.gif.html)

[Straight_Ballin]

I wouldn't go that far. Curry is a better scorer than both players, especially at creating his own shot.

You might be right on dude being a Steve Nash though.

Mark Price was more athletic and a much better defender as well.

I've been to many live games with Mark Price so I'll comment.

Curry is better at chaining moves together to get off a 3 point shot but Price was better at splitting defenders and getting inside. He would destroy in today league with all the spacing and no one able to hand check him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sua9u318wGo

[Straight_Ballin]

In my opinion, bring back handchecking, take away the stupid flagrant foul rules, eliminated that 3 seconds in the paint BS (let them play REAL ZONE) and let's get it ON!!!! Basically, the NCAA of the late 80's, early 90's!

Let's see if the "manufactured" superstars like Harden and Westbrook can handle that!

This. Tired of watching pu55y ball.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Dude like Mark Price would've beasted in this league... Something like a more athletic Steve Nash, with better defense and physicality, not quite as good as a passer and at running an offense (still great at those things) but on the same level as a shooter and with better finishing capabilities...
Price splitting p&r's and going inside, showing tremendous shooting, great handles and very high IQ, with today's spacing and without anybody being able to lay a finger on him? :eek: Goddamn...

Players like Price or...
Pete Maravich
Dale Ellis
Larry Bird
Fred Brown
Tom Chambers
Jerry Lucas
... would've been MUCH "better suited" to today's game.

[dubeta]

Dude like Mark Price would've beasted in this league... Something like a more athletic Steve Nash, with better defense and physicality, not quite as good as a passer and at running an offense (still great at those things) but on the same level as a shooter and with better finishing capabilities...
Price splitting p&r's and going inside, showing tremendous shooting, great handles and very high IQ, with today's spacing and without anybody being able to lay a finger on him? :eek: Goddamn...

Players like Price or...
Pete Maravich
Dale Ellis
Larry Bird
Fred Brown
Tom Chambers
Jerry Lucas
... would've been MUCH "better suited" to today's game.


Bird?? :roll: :roll:

Put him on the Warriors or Spurs and he'd destroy their ball movement. He played too much Iso ball

[mehyaM24]

Bird?? :roll: :roll:

Put him on the Warriors or Spurs and he'd destroy their ball movement. He played too much Iso ball

1986 celtics

what the phuck are you talking about, dilbert?

[3ball]

In my opinion, bring back handchecking, take away the stupid flagrant foul rules, eliminate that 3 seconds in the paint BS




Exactly - notice how Duncan's defender (Pau) is reaching out and touching Duncan - Pau is making sure he remains within "armslength", as stipulated by the defensive 3 second rule.. He isn't allowed to wait under the rim to contest Kawhi, since that's 8 feet away from Duncan, and out of "armslength".


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-01-2015/-GwNKZ.gif



Here's another example - Maurice Speights must follow Tristan Thompson to the block to stay within "armslength", which prevents him from contesting Lebron at the rim - you can see how wide the paint is from this angle (16 feet wide).


http://i.imgur.com/rW270Q6.gif



But in previous eras, defenders were allowed to stand under the rim while their man was on the block because paint-camping was legal.. With defenders camping under the rim, Kawhi would NOT have gotten a wide open dunk in previous eras:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-01-2015/Rc9D-4.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-01-2015/mPufIB.gif


Btw, look how much defenders are sagging off their man - yet many new fans think defenders in previous eras had to "follow" their man to the 3-point line - it's pure made-up lies or ignorance... Plain and simple... That myth is busted here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=390392), where the rules of the game are explained.
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[KevinNYC]

Y For his career he averaged 19.3 shot attempts and of those attempts only 1.9 for 3pters...the three point shot was never a big part of his game.

And how does that compare to the league at the time? The 3 point shot was not a big deal for any team in the 80's. It was used when you were wide open and when you needed to come back from a deficit. Some shooters like Bird and others didn't need to be wide open, but coaches were not running plays for it and drive and kick really hadn't even been invented yet.

This is the evolution of the entire league from then until now, not just a single player.

It's kind of like saying cousy or oscar didn't use the cross-over, when palming was called much more stictly.

[SCdac]

Watching teams launch a plethora of threes can get a little monotonous, BUT they'll always have a place in the game, even for the old school Spurs

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/92/92/7c/92927c3f00ca96cbf8852648dde6cb22.jpg

[PistonsFan#21]

What is Popovich opinion on the Hack-a-bad free throw shooter strategy? Does he embrace it and does he think its basketball?

:confusedshrug:

[dhsilv]

Dude like Mark Price would've beasted in this league... Something like a more athletic Steve Nash, with better defense and physicality, not quite as good as a passer and at running an offense (still great at those things) but on the same level as a shooter and with better finishing capabilities...
Price splitting p&r's and going inside, showing tremendous shooting, great handles and very high IQ, with today's spacing and without anybody being able to lay a finger on him? :eek: Goddamn...

Players like Price or...
Pete Maravich
Dale Ellis
Larry Bird
Fred Brown
Tom Chambers
Jerry Lucas
... would've been MUCH "better suited" to today's game.


Bird would have to be a 4 or 5 today and his physical style of defense would not go over as well. I don't recall him having a lot of lateral speed one one one so he'd have trouble being nearly the same defender he was back in those days.

Offensively I agree as he'd be deadly shooting more 3's and his passing is elite level.

[dhsilv]

Post play is not more difficult, getting the ball to your center is more difficult, also because of the decline in center and point guard inside out play. So many players today don't even know how to set up an entry pass.

Well, if you can't get the ball to the center, then post play is difficult is it not? You can't do what you can't do.

But even outside of that teams can double team now without leaving a close offensive player open or I should say it is a lot easier. Forcing the center to make a cross court pass to get out of the double. It's also easier to hide when the double is coming. Great bigs can play around this, but it adds to difficulty.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Bird would have to be a 4 or 5 today and his physical style of defense would not go over as well. I don't recall him having a lot of lateral speed one one one so he'd have trouble being nearly the same defender he was back in those days.

Offensively I agree as he'd be deadly shooting more 3's and his passing is elite level.

With all the small-ball going on and whatnot, he'd play more at the PF position... An amazing all-around/versatile stretch 4 - that's what he was "more of" and he still played plenty at the 4 back in the day (in his "own playing style" ofc)...
He was also better at guarding on the post than on the perimeter (m2m), pretty good at that.

A 5? :rolleyes: Just no... On either end.

He didn't have the lateral speed to be a lockdown defender on the perimeter or something like that (or to play PG on a regular basis) but he had more than enough to play the position/role he played... Before his back gave out on him, he more than held his own on the perimeter against the best forwards of that era (and came out on top of the overall MATCHUP most of the time), and he was always very deceptively quick on the offensive end, with terrifc footwork: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgAAUqoD7hA

But, anyways, Bird's also a very underrated athlete:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX8ipponmSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSN_wv7jT40

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Bird was a great team defender though, very impactful and it ain't hard to tell... Dude was already out there playing like a free safety and having lots of impact with his team D... With (totally legal) zone defense? He'd probably be even more impactful on that end. Plus, people nowadays drool over advanced stats, and that would've made Bird more "respected" on the defensive end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpEAZMT5t_U

[Lebron23]

That's why the Spurs missed the playoffs this year. 27th in 3 points made this season. Aldridge and derozan would be a playoffs duo in the mid 2000's. Spurs inability to defend and hit the 3 pointers are the reason they sucked all year.
If you don't adapt in the current nba, you're team is going to suck.

[Indian guy]

The NBA game would be 10x more aesthetically pleasing, not to mention rewarding, if the league simply capped 3's to 25 per game (besides last 2 mins) and allowed a little more physicality. Nobody, not even casual fans, enjoys 125-120 games. But the league is too ****ing dumb to do it.

[tpols]

The NBA game would be 10x more aesthetically pleasing, not to mention rewarding, if the league simply capped 3's to 25 per game (besides last 2 mins) and allowed a little more physicality. Nobody, not even casual fans, enjoys 125-120 games. But the league is too ****ing dumb to do it.

thats basically unenforceable though. and very awkward gameplay wise, if you run out of attempts the defense no longer has to guard the line?

if you want to reduce 3 pt attempts simply extend the line back a couple feet.

[Indian guy]

thats basically unenforceable though. and very awkward gameplay wise, if you run out of attempts the defense no longer has to guard the line?

Right. Teams would need to be smart in how they use their 3's.


if you want to reduce 3 pt attempts simply extend the line back a couple feet.

Most of these guys have crazy range. I don't think this would change anything.

[aceman]

Spurs only take 20 threes per game, which is below league-average.

But anyway, now that pop said it, do you agree with me?... today's game is bullshit... going for a 3-pointer every possession isn't basketball.

also, the spacing created by 3-pointers PLUS the hands-off defense - it's too much... :facepalm

the neat, organized spacing + league-mandated space between offensive and defensive player makes it look like a marching band or dance routine, not basketball.

You can just rewatch last dance a million times - you probably do anyway

[light]

This comment from Pop reminds me of Steven Speilberg in the 90's saying he'll never use a digital camera.

[DoctorP]

This comment from Pop reminds me of Steven Speilberg in the 90's saying he'll never use a digital camera.

pretty much. except pops is older

[Gimmedarock]

I’ll never get the complaints about 3 point shots. Nothing more exciting to me than watching Curry barely cross half court and drain a 3. When he’s on, there’s not many better. Players are dangerous from every spot on the court now. If Pop was winning he wouldn’t be complaining.

[DoctorP]

I’ll never get the complaints about 3 point shots. Nothing more exciting to me than watching Curry barely cross half court and drain a 3. When he’s on, there’s not many better. Players are dangerous from every spot on the court now. If Pop was winning he wouldn’t be complaining.

too bad it doesnt happen in the playoffs

[j3lademaster]

This comment from Pop reminds me of Steven Speilberg in the 90's saying he'll never use a digital camera.
You’re acting like Popovich wasn’t successful implementing it. A better analogy would be a grandpa that hates social media but still uses it to keep in touch with his family.

[2ball]

while I somewhat agree with pop on the otherhand if you are making 3's at historical clips you can't deny that it works

[Axe]

while I somewhat agree with pop on the otherhand if you are making 3's at historical clips you can't deny that it works
Lmao is this still ya, 3ball?

[fsvr54]

I’ll never get the complaints about 3 point shots. Nothing more exciting to me than watching Curry barely cross half court and drain a 3. When he’s on, there’s not many better. Players are dangerous from every spot on the court now. If Pop was winning he wouldn’t be complaining.

Because making tough, contested shots, preferably with body contact is more respectable.