Can Jabari Parker get much better than this at all?

[fandarko]

Remember when people placed him above Wiggins before the 2014 draft?

I know he's had a rough time with the injury, but it's kind of weird for a guy that beasted in college not to be able to score more than 10 points in half an hour of play.

No three point range at 6-8, this is a major flaw.

But with his skill set he should be able to score more than, say Randle.

Is it the Bucks style of play or Jabari's just not as good as advertized?

[Prime_Shaq]

The Bucks have plenty of young players to develop so I can see why his growth has been slowed. The injury definitely does not help but he also has to play behind Gianni and Middleton. I can still see upside in him, give him some time.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Jordan Clarkson is the 2nd best player from the Wiggins draft :rockon:

[livingby3's]

Jordan Clarkson is the 2nd best player from the Wiggins draft :rockon:

Anthony TJ Warren Jr.

[buddha]

I can't believe this guy has only made 4 threes in his career. what a ****ing bust.

[plowking]

I think he'll be one of those guys that really springs up in 2 or 3 years. I can't see him not being a prominent name in the NBA in 2 or 3 years time, barring another horrible injury.

[Truth]

I can't believe this guy has only made 4 threes in his career. what a ****ing bust.


He's had about 16 NBA games you fykin dummy

[Taller than CP3]

He's had about 16 NBA games you fykin dummy

That's only 1 three every 4 games. Face it, he's a ****ing bust.

[Milbuck]

The kid is 20 years old coming off an 11 month ACL rehab. But yeah, he should be a prime Durant/Lebron hybrid right out of the gate.

:facepalm

Dude is just shaking the rust off and finding his way back into the team right now. All we can really take away at this point is how he looks athletically...and he looks like a beast athletically. He's been one of if not the most naturally skilled offensive players of his age group for years now...it's a matter of rust and comfort.

[MMKM]

I know someone who has a bulldog named Jabarky Barker.

[HurricaneKid]

Shows what a wasteland Milw is. He has had some remarkable stretches of play. And you guys think Clarkson is going to be better? Maaaan. I still think Jabari might become a better player than Wiggins.

This thing where you write off 20 yr olds after 30 games... its pretty embarrassing for you.

[Kblaze8855]

he's playing 24 minutes a game fresh off a major injury and he's 20 years old. I suspect there is room for improvement....

[ShawkFactory]

he's playing 24 minutes a game fresh off a major injury and he's 20 years old. I suspect there is room for improvement....
No. How its been in the last couple of weeks is how it is, how it always has been, and how it ALWAYS WILL BE.

[Mass Debator]

He looks more out of shape than Melo. Gotta work on that first.

[FreezingTsmoove]

The hype for him WAS REAL

Before he got injured lets not forget he was beasting at 19 yrs old. He was the truth

Hes done IMO but im not going to blame him for that. Dont expect a young guy to play the same way after a torn acl. Thats a major injury

[HylianNightmare]

I know someone who has a bulldog named Jabarky Barker.
Thats awesome, though I do agree that in a few seasons Parker will be torching the league

[Milbuck]

He looks more out of shape than Melo. Gotta work on that first.
He's actually in fantastic shape. He just has that body type where he'll always look fat despite how in shape he is. Dude has been freakishly explosive this year, more athletic than he's ever been, dunking pretty much everything within 10 feet of the rim.

People need to actually watch the games instead of just looking at pictures and stat sheets.

[SwishSquared]

He's actually in fantastic shape. He just has that body type where he'll always look fat despite how in shape he is. Dude has been freakishly explosive this year, more athletic than he's ever been, dunking pretty much everything within 10 feet of the rim.

People need to actually watch the games instead of just looking at pictures and stat sheets.His up-and-under dunk on DJ was sick. Dude looks more explosive than he was in college- props to him for putting in the work.

And yeah he's got a little bit of the Pierce chub layer hiding how in shape he is:lol

[90sgoat]

He's actually in fantastic shape. He just has that body type where he'll always look fat despite how in shape he is. Dude has been freakishly explosive this year, more athletic than he's ever been, dunking pretty much everything within 10 feet of the rim.

People need to actually watch the games instead of just looking at pictures and stat sheets.

Parker has a lot of upside and could be a real fan favorite all star player. There's some young Charles Barkley in the verocity he attacks the rim with. Or LJ before injuries.

I'm actually quite sure he will be good.

[Mass Debator]

He's actually in fantastic shape. He just has that body type where he'll always look fat despite how in shape he is. Dude has been freakishly explosive this year, more athletic than he's ever been, dunking pretty much everything within 10 feet of the rim.

People need to actually watch the games instead of just looking at pictures and stat sheets.
His body is maturing so of course he's gaining more explosiveness. Light on his feet and very shifty for his size. Still, it was made known he gained weight over the summer just to play PF. Good for the style/direction of the team, but I believe not so good for him. He could be such a beast at SF around a toned 240 instead of 250ish lbs. His pre-draft workout showed so much promise as a natural SF with the moves he has at his disposal. And no, he's not in fantastic shape. You can still see flab. If he was actually in fantastic shape, you'll see a Paul Millsap body at that weight. Hopefully by mid-season, Jabari can show more definition.

I actually watch Bucks game on a weekly basis since I have Monroe and Giannis on my fantasy team.

[Milbuck]

His body is maturing so of course he's gaining more explosiveness. Light on his feet and very shifty for his size. Still, it was made known he gained weight over the summer just to play PF. Good for the style/direction of the team, but I believe not so good for him. He could be such a beast at SF around a toned 240 instead of 250ish lbs. His pre-draft workout showed so much promise as a natural SF with the moves he has at his disposal. And no, he's not in fantastic shape. You can still see flab. If he was actually in fantastic shape, you'll see a Paul Millsap body at that weight. Hopefully by mid-season, Jabari can show more definition.

I actually watch Bucks game on a weekly basis since I have Monroe and Giannis on my fantasy team.
Literally everyone who worked with him, or covered his rehab, and every report about his rehab couldn't speak more highly of how intense he was in his training, how crazy hard he went every day and how much care and precision he put into his physical training. He is stronger, more explosive, and well conditioned than he's ever been and it's showing on the court.

You're basing everything you're saying merely on his outward appearance, which is a really absurd way of looking at it. Do you not understand that different people have different body types, and that regardless of how in shape you are or how much work you put in physically, you might just be inclined to look a certain way?

[Mass Debator]

Literally everyone who worked with him, or covered his rehab, and every report about his rehab couldn't speak more highly of how intense he was in his training, how crazy hard he went every day and how much care and precision he put into his physical training. He is stronger, more explosive, and well conditioned than he's ever been and it's showing on the court.

You're basing everything you're saying merely on his outward appearance, which is a really absurd way of looking at it. Do you not understand that different people have different body types, and that regardless of how in shape you are or how much work you put in physically, you might just be inclined to look a certain way?
Honestly, what else are they supposed to say about him?...especially being such a good kid. I have no doubt that those comments are true, but it takes more than going hard during workouts to obtain peak optimal shape.

Looks plays a role. I just don't believe you when you say he's in fantastic shape. Of course there are different body types, but fat is apparent when you are fat. There's no other way around it. Looks like you're just giving him an excuse because of how he's shown improvement in his explosiveness. I'm saying he would be even more explosive with a shed of a few pounds of fat. He's going to do it as the season winds, and you're going to see a difference in his body. He is not in fantastic shape right now.

[Milbuck]

Honestly, what else are they supposed to say about him?...especially being such a good kid. I have no doubt that those comments are true, but it takes more than going hard during workouts to obtain peak optimal shape.

Looks plays a role. I just don't believe you when you say he's in fantastic shape. Of course there are different body types, but fat is apparent when you are fat. There's no other way around it. Looks like you're just giving him an excuse because of how he's shown improvement in his explosiveness. I'm saying he would be even more explosive with a shed of a few pounds of fat. He's going to do it as the season winds, and you're going to see a difference in his body. He is not in fantastic shape right now.
Then why isn't Embiid's rehab being sugarcoated instead of them calling his ass out at every turn? Maybe, just maybe, every source surrounding Jabari's rehab is just telling it like it is, and that he actually is in fantastic shape? But hey, what do professional ACL recovery physical therapists and athletic trainers know.

I'm not making excuses for anything because there's nothing to make excuses for. He's literally in the best shape he's ever been in, has been extremely explosive, quick, strong, and conditioned. Anyone who has actually watched him this year can see that. I don't know what to tell you, your argument is the physical/athletic discussion equivalent of "LOL PPGZ AND PER". You just don't seem to have an understanding of basic human physiology.

[34-24 Footwork]

I can tell many people haven't watched him play this year. Dude can ball and doesn't look like he tore his ACL. Dude is stupid quick and explosive. Like Carmelo quick....and brandon bass powerful.

[PP34Deuce]

He's on a team with a bunch of 20-25 year old players that have upside. Put him on a team like CHicago and you see his true potential come out.

I actually believe he and Butler would be the perfect swingman position that can cover 2-3 and even do 4 on small ball.

Put him on a team like the Celtics and they become better.

[HOoopCityJones]

Anthony TJ Warren Jr.

Who? :lol

[FKAri]

He's looked amazing in flashes. He's gonna be a beast.

[dunksby]

He has got some nasty reverse dunks already under his belt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WaJq7Knnjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G3rGIpS5ic

[Milbuck]

He's looked amazing in flashes. He's gonna be a beast.
Yeah, all we can really go off right now is how he looks physically, the rest of the game will come in time. The promising thing is that he's always been one of the most naturally skilled and crafty offensive players of his age group so we know the skills will come back eventually as he gets more game action and shakes the rust off. The concern with him coming out of high school and college and after the ACL injury especially was the athleticism, and he's destroyed all of those concerns. Been a beast in that respect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtgQavL-8aI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJwLY-74uww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCkUlXqj3qQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTbiqjO613c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwKMvb7CSrY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFFd_Oq1IiA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbMeMF5_PJU

[Mass Debator]

Then why isn't Embiid's rehab being sugarcoated instead of them calling his ass out at every turn? Maybe, just maybe, every source surrounding Jabari's rehab is just telling it like it is, and that he actually is in fantastic shape? But hey, what do professional ACL recovery physical therapists and athletic trainers know.

I'm not making excuses for anything because there's nothing to make excuses for. He's literally in the best shape he's ever been in, has been extremely explosive, quick, strong, and conditioned. Anyone who has actually watched him this year can see that. I don't know what to tell you, your argument is the physical/athletic discussion equivalent of "LOL PPGZ AND PER". You just don't seem to have an understanding of basic human physiology.
Embiid has questions about his work ethic. Different scenario. Anyone who comes to work and work hard is going to have high remarks about him by their organization to the public.

I'm not even talking about how he looks on the court regarding his movements. I already stated that he's quick footed for his size. Are you saying Parker is in the best shape that he can possibly be? I guess our definitions of fantastic shape is different. Shaq was explosive at 320 lbs and dominated the league. Was he in fantastic shape? No. I don't know why you can't admit that Parker physique can improve and will.

[Milbuck]

Embiid has questions about his work ethic. Different scenario. Anyone who comes to work and work hard is going to have high remarks about him by their organization to the public.

I'm not even talking about how he looks on the court regarding his movements. I already stated that he's quick footed for his size. Are you saying Parker is in the best shape that he can possibly be? I guess our definitions of fantastic shape is different. Shaq was explosive at 320 lbs and dominated the league. Was he in fantastic shape? No. I don't know why you can't admit that Parker physique can improve and will.
The remarks aren't by the front office or Kidd or some random office dude who saw him dunking in practice. They're from professional ACL rehab specialists who work with him every single day and know a thousand times more about his fitness and physical state than you or I ever will.

The Shaq comparison makes zero sense because he routinely didn't work hard in summers, came into camp and into the season totally out of shape. In those seasons he still dominated the league because of sheer overwhelming natural talent. Shaq gaining weight is a totally different situation.

Jabari has busted his ass day after day, there is zero slacking in his training. He didn't get fat, he added a ton of muscle. It looks like fat because his body type always looks like there's a layer of chub on top of everything else. So when he adds 15-20 pounds of muscle, it looks like 15-20 pounds of fat. But it's still muscle...like literally every pro trainer close to his training has explicitly stated.

Jabari could drop 50 pounds and he will still have little definition. Because that's just what his body type is, period. That's just what he looks like and has little to do with how actually in shape he is.

[iznogood]

He's actually in fantastic shape. He just has that body type where he'll always look fat despite how in shape he is. Dude has been freakishly explosive this year, more athletic than he's ever been, dunking pretty much everything within 10 feet of the rim.

People need to actually watch the games instead of just looking at pictures and stat sheets.
I don't want to comment on Parker's physical shape and his development, because I don't follow Bucks enough. However, to say one's body type is the reason he looks fat is usually just an excuse for not being disciplined at eating.

That's not to say that Parker doesn't put tremendous effort in his work on court and in the gym and is not fit. But seeing how he looked in college and how he looked while being injured, I guess he lacks the discipline to fully commit. It doesn't mean that won't or already hasn't changed his eating habits. I'm just saying all body types can look cut (some more than the others) if you put in enough work and follow your dieting plan.

Again, I agree with you when you say that his performance shouldn't be judged by his appearance.

[Milbuck]

I don't want to comment on Parker's physical shape and his development, because I don't follow Bucks enough. However, to say one's body type is the reason he looks fat is usually just an excuse for not being disciplined at eating.

That's not to say that Parker doesn't put tremendous effort in his work on court and in the gym and is not fit. But seeing how he looked in college and how he looked while being injured, I guess he lacks the discipline to fully commit. It doesn't mean that won't or already hasn't changed his eating habits. I'm just saying all body types can look cut (some more than the others) if you put in enough work and follow your dieting plan.

Again, I agree with you when you say that his performance shouldn't be judged by his appearance.
Again, literally everything surrounding his rehab indicates he's totally changed the way he approaches his body both in diet and in training. There is zero reason to believe he's been undisciplined in that regard.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Yeah, tho Jabari could drop 50 lbs and still be overweight. He needs to get off that Khalid El-Amin diet.

[iznogood]

Again, literally everything surrounding his rehab indicates he's totally changed the way he approaches his body both in diet and in training. There is zero reason to believe he's been undisciplined in that regard.
That's great to hear. It'll be interesting to see if it lasts.

[imdaman99]

Dunked against the Knicks a bunch of times though. Matter of fact, Michael Carter shitted on them :facepalm

[LoneyROY7]

Jabari looks very explosive from what I've seen (shockingly so tbh), but he also seems to have lost a little bit of confidence in his jumper.

I'm sure that will return soon though.

[HurricaneKid]

**** some of you guys are dense. He is 20. his body is still maturing. Saying he is lazy or not in shape is oblivious to reality. Milbuck has this spot on. Looking at his PPGZ when he wasn't even expected to be back from his ACL until XMas, while he has spent the entire season on a minutes restriction or out entirely, without a preseason, is downright stupid.

Look at pictures of him at Duke and pics of him now. He has completely reshaped his body. Does he still have some body fat? Sure. But he has a lot less of it than he did last year which, for an ACL victim is pretty impressive.