NBA Looking into adding 4-Point Line (What would Curry do to the League?)

[warriorfan]

NBA president of basketball operations Rod Thorn and vice president Kiki Vandeweghe acknowledged in a recent interview with ESPN.com that the league office, at least in an exploratory fashion, has weighed expanding the dimensions of the court and the introduction of a 4-point shot.
The NBA was thinking of doing it but they are adjusting the rules against Curry because he is already too dominant.

[#number6ix#]

3ball would lose his mind if that happened... Waaaaay too much space

[JerrySeinfeld]

If the league did this and Durant went to the Warriors :roll:

[3ball]

I hope they do it.

It will destroy the game more than they already have, which would lose fans, and ultimately force the league to change the rules back..

They'll probably do overkill when changing the rules back (like they always do), so the rules will be more like the 90's.

A 4-point line would save the game from being in the shitter like it currently is

[SexSymbol]

I hope they do it.

It will destroy the game more than they already have, which would lose fans, and ultimately force the league to change the rules back..

They'll probably do overkill when changing the rules back (like they always do), so the rules will be more like the 90's.

A 4-point line would save the game from being in the shitter like it currently is
3 point shot doesn't destroy the game, it improves it vastly.

[Rojogaqu11]

http://redsarmy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/antoine-walker.jpg

Just announced a come back for 2016.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

3 point shot doesn't destroy the game, it improves it vastly.

Jordan played during 3-point line era, but that little tidbit escapes 3ball's mind curiously.

:confusedshrug:

[3ball]

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The pass shown below is considered a good pass in today's spaced-out, soft ass game:


https://media.giphy.com/media/Be97UNLoHHxwA/giphy.gif



Otoh, without spacing, offense was harder in previous eras, so the standard for what was considered a "good" pass was higher:


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[buddha]

say hello to your new mvp

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a 4 point line would be terrible though, I can't imagine people hitting it at more than .3 percent, we would be witnessing a bunch of ****ing bricks.

[3ball]

3 point shot doesn't destroy the game, it improves it vastly.
Not according to the greatest minds in the game - Popovich, Phil Jackson, 3ball, etc..

The extra point awarded for making a three has made the entire game about seeking 3-point shots.

Most 3-pointers are stand-still, assisted shots... b-o-r-i-n-g..

Whereas 2-pointers are scored and executed in infinitely more diverse ways... Furthermore, the lack of spacing meant players needed to be more skilled offensively at both passing and scoring in heavier traffic (see 2 gifs in previous post)..

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Not according to the greatest minds in the game - Popovich, Phil Jackson, 3ball, etc..

:roll: :roll: :roll:

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woops wrong thread

[3ball]

laughable

[warriorfan]

They are changing the game because Curry would be too good. Kinda like Wilt.

Except Curry does it while winning within a system and doesn't try to pad stats. He also doesn't decline in the playoffs like Wilt did, he gets better.

[3ball]

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OMG, I had no idea about this list - look what the stat reveals!!!!... :eek:



Amir Johnson > Paul Pierce

Ricky Rubio > Stephen Curry

Baron Davis > John Stockton

Rasheed Wallace > Shaq

Manu Ginobili > Kobe and Wade



What an amazing stat... :lebronamazed:.

(obviously, an eye test and/or analysis of simple box score stats would never result in these obvious mistakes)
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[Clifton]

A 4-point shot would render the 2-point shot totally obsolete. Also would result in much more hack-a-player.

I'm sure the league explores many things in an exploratory fashion. If they didn't raise the rim to 11ft after Shaq and Wilt, they're not going to do this.

I could see them moving it out another foot or so, though. They've moved it in before. There's a precedent for something like that.


Otoh, without spacing, offense was harder in previous eras, so the standard for what was considered a "good" pass was higher:
The warriors and spurs make passes like this on a regular basis.

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OMG, I had no idea about this list - look what the stat reveals!!!!... :eek:



Amir Johnson > Paul Pierce

Ricky Rubio > Stephen Curry

Baron Davis > John Stockton

Rasheed Wallace > Shaq

Manu Ginobili > Kobe and Wade



What an amazing stat... :lebronamazed:.

(obviously, an eye test and/or analysis of simple box score stats would never result in these obvious mistakes)
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Context bro

Use it

[Clifton]

The NBA was thinking of doing it but they are adjusting the rules against Curry because he is already too dominant.
The Warriors are the only team that would be able to hit the 4 on a regular basis for the first 5 years of its existence. They're the only team with players with that kind of range. I guess Durant could hit it, but he's only one player, and he's better when he's near the middle of the floor.

Also 4 point line would just give the Warriors more fast breaks and easy shots in transition. This would help the warriors, not hurt them.

[3ball]

The warriors and spurs make passes like this on a regular basis.


Not nearly as often.. The Spurs and Warriors benefit from spacing, which makes passing and ALL offense much easier..

It's common knowledge that spacing makes offense easier - today's era has it, while previous eras didn't.. This isn't disputable.

[Clifton]

Not nearly as often.. The Spurs and Warriors benefit from spacing, which makes passing and ALL offense much easier.

It's common knowledge that spacing makes offense easier - today's era has it, while previous eras didn't.. This isn't disputable.
So? Spacing makes for a more elegant, beautiful game, and rewards good teamwork, good coaching, and hitting the gym and working on your shot.

Also, as teams start to go away from the Kobe / Iverson / Wade / D-Rose model, and move toward the Hawks, Spurs, Warriors model, players won't get injured as much and their primes will extend further.

It's good for the league. I'm not interested in the "the passes were harder then so they're more to be admired." These Warriors would have been brilliant in any era. Not as many lobs perhaps, but they would look much like those 80s celtics did. They had all the chemistry, almost as much vision and talent.

[3ball]

So? Spacing makes for a more elegant, beautiful game, and rewards good teamwork, good coaching, and hitting the gym and working on your shot.


:rolleyes:

No-spacing rewards these things too, except these things must be done at a superior level to have a good offense in a no-spacing environment.

Again, spacing makes all aspects of offense easier - i.e. today's players don't need to be as skilled at decision-making or passing, because spacing makes these things easier - with the spacing, today's passes and decisions are basic.

In addition to weaker passing and decision-making, today's player doesn't need to be as skilled at shooting 2-pointers, since the 3-pointers replace much of the 2-pointers.





Also, as teams start to go away from the Kobe / Iverson / Wade / D-Rose model, and move toward the Hawks, Spurs, Warriors model


In previous eras, the Celtics, Lakers, Sixers, Pistons, Jazz, and Bulls played some of the best team basketball the game has ever seen... Don't be ignorant by thinking that today's era is the only era that uses teamwork.

Also, the spacing MATTERS... Spacing allows ball movement to be more effective - it's easier for ball movement to shift a defense when the defense is all spread out... But when the defenders are all bunched up and in close proximity, ball movement isn't as effective at shifting the defense - naturally, the passing must be BETTER to shift the defense.
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[QuebecBaller]

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[SexSymbol]

Not according to the greatest minds in the game - Popovich, Phil Jackson, 3ball, etc..
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That's the funniest shit ever :roll: :roll:

[90sgoat]

All this talk about spacing missing two obvious points.

It's not only the spacing which provides 3s, it's the unhindered easy penetration to the top of the key.

I can't stress this enough. It's the 5 on 4 situations created when a dribble penetrating guard easily blows by his defender on the 3 point line which creates the situation where a help defender has to sag. This sag creates room for another player, which the penetrating guard then passes to for the open 3 or more commonly to swing the ball around until the 3 point shot is there.

Three things makes this possible:

1) No touch defense allowed on guards

2) Illegal moving screens now legal

3) Paint camping not allowed

Take away the above 3 and you will not have this situation of 5 vs 4 on every play.

[MMM]

What exactly is 3ball wrong about here??

I always hear people complain about why can't today's bigs post up, why can't players make entry passes, or why most players can't create a shot for them selves, but it seems to me that is a natural result for the rule changes the game has seen.

[DrakeTheSnake]

Not according to the greatest minds in the game - Popovich, Phil Jackson, 3ball, etc..

The extra point awarded for making a three has made the entire game about seeking 3-point shots.

Most 3-pointers are stand-still, assisted shots... b-o-r-i-n-g..

Whereas 2-pointers are scored and executed in infinitely more diverse ways... Furthermore, the lack of spacing meant players needed to be more skilled offensively at both passing and scoring in heavier traffic (see 2 gifs in previous post)..
:roll:

[WorldWarriors]

http://redsarmy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/antoine-walker.jpg

Just announced a come back for 2016.
:oldlol:

[Mass Debator]

Should just make the half-court line the 4pt shot.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:facepalm

[Showtime80']

MMM it has NOTHING to do with rule changes!

All those things that you mentioned starting taking place in the mid 90's, way before the soft zone rule came into play. Big players aside from Shaq, Duncan and Zo wanted to play like guards facing the basket and taking 20 foot jumpers (Webber, Nowitzky, Garnett, Wallace) and PG's didn't want to be pass first quarterbacks like Magic, Isaiah and Stockton they wanted to play iso ball and shoot 20+ times (Marbury, Iverson, Francis, Davis). This combination resulted in some of the worst basketball EVER seen develop back in the late 90's early 2000's.

The league WAS FORCED to change the rules to counter the pathetic product that was on the floor. Basic fundamentals and high basketball IQ started suffering WAY BEFORE that.

[jongib369]

They are changing the game because Curry would be too good. Kinda like Wilt.

Except Curry does it while winning within a system and doesn't try to pad stats. He also doesn't decline in the playoffs like Wilt did, he gets better.
Every players output is due to a system...Do you think the entire team was running plays, while Wilt ran around somehow force feeding himself the ball. Doing as he pleased? Curry has said he wants to be in the 50/40/90 club. That's a form of stat padding is it not?

Wilts coach puts him in a 'system' to score all the points, puts up 50 with a rediculous FG% considering the volume...Somehow a ball hog stat padder. Puts up 24/24/10 for the second half of the 67 season...He was responsible for a total of 44 points and 24 rebounds...Won a chip...Stat padding Beta...If we're winning the game, I could care less if Wilt passed when he had an opportunity to score for a couple more assists, because those are buckets too, and throws the D off. He's always a danger to pass, or score. Ask Gary Peyton if that's a pain in the ass to deal with or not lol.

The man can't do right in some peoples eyes, even a year he wins a chip lol. I bet if he was lucky enough to be on the Celtics, and won between 9-15 chips it'd be held against him, and Russell would be the underdog who never gave up, eventually getting one from him in 67. Theyd make him the logo blocking Wilt

[dunksby]

How is it against Curry if it benefits him? OP is dumb as bricks :lol

[Andrei89]

How is it against Curry if it benefits him? OP is dumb as bricks :lol
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[Levity]

yeah.... lets not do that, nba.

[Thechosen1]

when teams learn that the warriors arent good because of curry, but curry is so dominant because of who the warriors are as a whole and change their defensive approach against them, maybe this bullshit wont happen...

[imnew09]

This is already tiring for the players, expanding the fken court, fken 82 games a season, back to back to back games... da fu. might as well make it 6 players vs 6 players game.


STOP, just fken stop man fken NBA

[diamenz]

a four point line would be laughable. any player or coach with a brain would ignore it. the only good it would do it for beating the buzzer with a long heave.

[senelcoolidge]

As if the league wasn't such a gimmick now, it's going to get even more gimmicky. Real basketball needs to make a comeback.

[bdreason]

I'd like to see the NBA widen the court and extend the corner 3 ball.

[Round Mound]

MMM it has NOTHING to do with rule changes!

All those things that you mentioned starting taking place in the mid 90's, way before the soft zone rule came into play. Big players aside from Shaq, Duncan and Zo wanted to play like guards facing the basket and taking 20 foot jumpers (Webber, Nowitzky, Garnett, Wallace) and PG's didn't want to be pass first quarterbacks like Magic, Isaiah and Stockton they wanted to play iso ball and shoot 20+ times (Marbury, Iverson, Francis, Davis). This combination resulted in some of the worst basketball EVER seen develop back in the late 90's early 2000's.

The league WAS FORCED to change the rules to counter the pathetic product that was on the floor. Basic fundamentals and high basketball IQ started suffering WAY BEFORE that.

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[Wally450]

OP would be salty as hell when Klay Thompson goes off. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ProfessorMurder]

I would straight up stop watching basketball if that happened.

Getting rid of the three would be more interesting. Teams understand the spacing aspect now, but would have no three to work for. That would be cool.

[morbius]

I wouldn't mind if shots from your half of the court counts 4 points. Would put some fun in the ends of the quarters. Right now, a lot of players won't even take those desperation shots not to mess their shooting stats.

[dhsilv]

All this talk about spacing missing two obvious points.

It's not only the spacing which provides 3s, it's the unhindered easy penetration to the top of the key.

I can't stress this enough. It's the 5 on 4 situations created when a dribble penetrating guard easily blows by his defender on the 3 point line which creates the situation where a help defender has to sag. This sag creates room for another player, which the penetrating guard then passes to for the open 3 or more commonly to swing the ball around until the 3 point shot is there.

Three things makes this possible:

1) No touch defense allowed on guards

2) Illegal moving screens now legal

3) Paint camping not allowed

Take away the above 3 and you will not have this situation of 5 vs 4 on every play.

Post play drew doubles which allowed for the ball to kickout and then allowed offenses to throw off the defense. The pick and roll has always created this. Teaching players to stand behind the 3 point line and teaching players were optimal 3's are (corners) is why we see more 3's and better use of them. The rules changes have just changed how offenses put defenses on their heels ever so slightly.

Go watch game one of the 92 finals (Lakers Bulls). Please tell me you can avoid screaming at Paxton to step 2 feet back so when he gets a pass he can shoot a 3 instead of a long 2. It's seriously maddening that any coach ever allowed a guy who supposed to be a shooting specialist to stand in seriously the worst spot he could be in constantly.

[Prime_Shaq]

They are changing the game because Curry would be too good. Kinda like Wilt.

Except Curry does it while winning within a system and doesn't try to pad stats. He also doesn't decline in the playoffs like Wilt did, he gets better.
Wouldn't it benefit Curry? Rule changes for Wilt and Shaq actually hindered em

[pastis]

finally jimmer fredette could impose his game :applause: :applause:

[Clifton]

I can't stress this enough. It's the 5 on 4 situations created when a dribble penetrating guard easily blows by his defender on the 3 point line which creates the situation where a help defender has to sag. This sag creates room for another player, which the penetrating guard then passes to for the open 3 or more commonly to swing the ball around until the 3 point shot is there.
But that's not how it plays out in real life. In real life, open 3s come from motion, ball movement, and the pick and roll, just like they always have.

Seen the Warriors this year? Every 3 seems to come off of a Draymond Green-led 4-on-3 off a screen and roll.

The inability to stop the pick and roll didn't start with Draymond Green, the Warriors, or the "new rules." It goes back to the 90s Jazz and further.

In 2006-2012, there was much more of what you describe. Not anymore.

[90sgoat]

But that's not how it plays out in real life. In real life, open 3s come from motion, ball movement, and the pick and roll, just like they always have.

Seen the Warriors this year? Every 3 seems to come off of a Draymond Green-led 4-on-3 off a screen and roll.

The inability to stop the pick and roll didn't start with Draymond Green, the Warriors, or the "new rules." It goes back to the 90s Jazz and further.

In 2006-2012, there was much more of what you describe. Not anymore.

Come on man, I get really tired from repeating myself.

Do you not see that the NBA now also allows moving screens which would 100% be called illegal screens in the past?

You have these screens were the screener changes his position back and forth, walks slowly while screening and so on. These are 100% illegal screens and they basically means it is impossible to guard the pick and roll.

Add to that you can't cover airtight because of no touch perimeter D rules and the pick and roll becomes way too powerfull, which is why ALL teams use it ALL the time.

Just boring to me.

[warriorfan]

Wouldn't it benefit Curry? Rule changes for Wilt and Shaq actually hindered em

The league was on it's way to make the change to add the 4 point line before the emergence of the dominance of Steph Curry. The league would never think about doing it now because Steph Curry is the best player in the league already and would become too dominant with the addition of the 4 point line.

Technically they didn't remove a rule because of Curry, they just stopped it from being implemented because of him. Fundamentally the same as when they changed they widened the key due to Wilt destroying the lackluster competition of the time.