Curry in the late 80s/early 90s?

[sd3035]

seems like the ideal era for him, obviously not including the 60s where I could have dropped 30 a game.

The 80s and early 90s were tailor made for Curry. Defenders just stood around not guarding people, hence the inflated PPG for teams

I'd say Curry would average about 40 ppg on 70% TS

As pointed out by 3ball in several GIFs, many defenders just stood around in the paint not really doing anything

Today's Warriors would absolutely murder everyone, probably go 82-0

[1987_Lakers]

It would be interesting to see considering coaches didn't allow players to take many 3 pointers in those days, he may have been restricted in that era, who knows.

[Showtime80']

You're confusing eras, sitting around not guarding people is the MODERN NBA with the soft zone. Back then it was strictly man to man with hand checking and NO FLAGRANT fouls!!!. Let's see Baby Curry taste the deck a few times against the Bad Boy Pistons and the Celtics and see how he reacts.

The 80's had the greatest generation of players and teams that not only whipped the dudes from the 70's but ended up raping the new school 90's dudes in the next decade. Go look at the most dominant player in the last 30 years, Shaquille O'Neal's playoff record against Hakeem/Drexler, Jordan/Pippen and Stockton/Malone for four straight years, oh yeah 4-16 with 3 SWEEPS!!!

The present day Warriors are the result of the rule tinkering entertainment driven gimmicks that have gone on for more than 15+ years of the NBA.

They are a notch below ALL THE 80's CHAMPIONS!

[1987_Lakers]

The 80's had the greatest generation of players and teams that not only whipped the dudes from the 70's but ended up raping the new school 90's dudes in the next decade. Go look at the most dominant player in the last 30 years, Shaquille O'Neal's playoff record against Hakeem/Drexler, Jordan/Pippen and Stockton/Malone for four straight years, oh yeah 4-16 with 3 SWEEPS!!!

The present day Warriors are the result of the rule tinkering entertainment driven gimmicks that have gone on for more than 15+ years of the NBA.

They are a notch below ALL THE 80's CHAMPIONS!

You are right that the 80's probably had the best generation of players and teams, but you would be a fool to believe Curry and this Warriors team wouldn't excel in that era.

I've watched many 80's games and teams back then didn't even guard the 3 point line because it was shot so little, put Golden State in that era and defenses would have adjust their whole philosophy on how they defend the 3 point shot.

And to call this Warriors team gimmicks is just plain dumb, the NBA has NEVER seen a team that shoots/pass like the Warriors while also having the versatility on the defensive end as well, they have a bunch of perimeter defenders and a good rim-protector in Bogut. They would do well in any era.

[warriorfan]

You're confusing eras, sitting around not guarding people is the MODERN NBA with the soft zone. Back then it was strictly man to man with hand checking and NO FLAGRANT fouls!!!. Let's see Baby Curry taste the deck a few times against the Bad Boy Pistons and the Celtics and see how he reacts.

The 80's had the greatest generation of players and teams that not only whipped the dudes from the 70's but ended up raping the new school 90's dudes in the next decade. Go look at the most dominant player in the last 30 years, Shaquille O'Neal's playoff record against Hakeem/Drexler, Jordan/Pippen and Stockton/Malone for four straight years, oh yeah 4-16 with 3 SWEEPS!!!

The present day Warriors are the result of the rule tinkering entertainment driven gimmicks that have gone on for more than 15+ years of the NBA.

They are a notch below ALL THE 80's CHAMPIONS!

Curry dead lifts 415 pounds, if Joe Dumars put his hands on him Steph would pick him up like a teacup and move him right out of the way.

It's well known the tighter you play Curry the harder you get torched. This plus the shortened 3 point line and it would be a pure bloodbath.

[90sgoat]

Considering Curry got ethered by Delly, how would he deal with Dumars, Payton, Stockton (all time steals) and the like. Not well.

20-4-2 and that's being generous.

[JohnMax]

Curry is better than every 80s player including Michael Jordan.

[senelcoolidge]

From either being a very good role player/shot specialist to one of the better guards but more one dimensional. Taking the ball to the basket would be a lot harder. His father was an excellent shooter, probably one of the fastest releases ever but just a good player. Of course Stephen is better than his dad, but he would not have all the freedoms he has in today's guard friendly NBA.

[QuebecBaller]

RUN TMC vs RUN SMC?

[feyki]

18 pts , 3 ast with 5 to .

[G0ATbe]

Jordan fans would be Curry fans right now instead. Easily best player in the league. 40-45ppg in that era.

[Showtime80']

They would do well, just like the RUN TMC Warriors, Kevin Johnson's Suns, Dale Elli's Sonics and Alex English's Nuggets did, basically the Showtime Lakers B!TCH!!!

You needed BIG PEOPLE and 3 to 4 all stars in the 80's to win titles. They lost 2 out of 4 games to a one man team in the Finals!!! Basically the equivalent to the 80's Bulls who were getting bounced in the first and second round for most of the decade.

The Warriors don't have the talent and the physicality to compete with the 80's SUPER TEAMS.

They are a nice team in today's rule altered soft 3 point happy video game NBA. Nothing more, nothing less!

[warriorfan]

Considering Curry got ethered by Delly, how would he deal with Dumars, Payton, Stockton (all time steals) and the like. Not well.

20-4-2 and that's being generous.

http://s10.postimg.org/q4yxu3e13/Curry_Injured.gif

This happened less than a week before the Finals.

Curry suffered a concussion and a back and shoulder injury. He was experiencing dizziness and blured vision up to a month later...He shouldn't of even played in the Finals, it was a major neglect of the concussion protocols of the NBA.

Injured Curry also received not only the most double teams and defensive attention in NBA Finals history, he also faced perhaps the most physical defense as well.

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There was no foul called on this play.

This was one of only the numerous occasions where they allowed extremely physical play, hand checking and jersey grabbing was not called throughout the entire series as well.

So in spite of a severely injured Steph Curry facing the most aggressive defenses in the history of the game, he still put up 26/5/6/2 on 59% TS. So if an injured Curry can still put up 26/5/6/2 under these circumstances he would have no problem scoring 30, 40, or even more depending on how many minutes he played. Reminder, non-injured Steph Curry is scoring just under one point per minute right now...So Curry playing 40 minutes in a weaker league with weaker athletes, weaker schemes, and a shortened 3 point line...it would be numbers that we haven't seen since Wilt. However they would be within the context of winning and not "Empty Stats" like Wilt's were.

[Marchesk]

Curry is better than every 80s player including Michael Jordan.

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[1987_Lakers]

You needed BIG PEOPLE and 3 to 4 all stars in the 80's to win titles. They lost 2 out of 4 games to a one man team in the Finals!!! Basically the equivalent to the 80's Bulls who were getting bounced in the first and second round for most of the decade.

The Warriors don't have the talent and the physicality to compete with the 80's SUPER TEAMS.

Talent wise the Warriors are very comparable to the '89 Bad Boy Pistons to be honest.

Both have elite backcourts in Curry/Thompson & Isiah/Dumars. Both have comparable frontlines in Bogut/Green & Laimbeer/Mahorn. Both have very deep benches.

BTW that same Pistons team lost 2 out of 4 games to a one man team in the playoffs to Chicago, it was basically MJ & scrubs that year.

[Marchesk]

Today's Warriors would absolutely murder everyone, probably go 82-0

Yeah, because the 83 76ers, 86 Celtics, 87 Lakers, and 89 Pistons wouldn't provide any problems.

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[RoundMoundOfReb]

jordan goes ringless

[SHAQisGOAT]

STILL one of the very best in the game but not quite as good as right now, tbh... Reasons? Mostly these...

- 3pointers were shot at a way lower rate than nowadays... Style of game was different in terms of that, coaches didn't ran that much plays towards it, so on... And that's Curry's main "weapon".

I mean, looking at some of the best 3pt-shooters from back then (not comparing them as players to Steph, and whatnot, here):

> Mark Price - who was cut from the same cloth as Curry, or the other way around - only made all-nba 1st once, he was never top5 in MVP voting, so on...
> Larry Bird never shot over 3.5 3's per game for a season... And he's one of the GOAT shooters, who shot better as his volume of 3's increased... I mean, Bill Fitch didn't even want him shooting 3's at some point. Bird "had" to be elite in MANY other areas (even being 6'9 and such) to become the legend he is.
> Reggie Miller is one of the best, yea... But never won a ring, never was even top10 in MVP voting, never made all-nba 2nd.
> Dale Ellis, who at his best was like Klay Thompson on steroids, never was considered a highly impactful player, only was all-nba once and it was on the 3rd team.
> Who's really talking about Byron Scott, Chuck Person, Darrell Griffith or Dell Curry much nowadays? :confusedshrug:

(and Steph wouldn't even had came up with the 3pt-line but that's another story all together)

- You had more physicality going on - especially when driving down the lane - and that takes a toll especially on smaller guards, even in terms of longevity (look at dudes like Zeke, Price, Gus Williams, Fat Lever...).
Plus, you still had some form of hand-checking making it harder to get to the places you wanted to with the live dribble and such.

- Nowadays you can't even breathe on a player when he's shooting... Back then it was a bit different.
Oh, and you had to have plenty of toughness when moving off the ball to get your shots up, defenders were roughing you up all over.

- 80's is most likely the most stacked era... Various tremendous teams and you had superstars like Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Moses, Dr J, Hakeem, Barkley... EXTREMELY difficult to win MVP and such,


Mf'er need to get real and stop trolling/being ignorant though... Love Curry but let's talk objectively.

[deja vu]

He wouldn't shoot as well because of man-to-man defense and hand checking.

[plowking]

Love Curry but let's talk objectively.[/B]

Seems like 80's and 90's fans are the ones that can't talk objectively.

Objectively speaking, defenses now are better than ever before, and a more gravitated towards stopping a 3 point threat. Yet we are supposed to believe he would be worse in the 80's and 90's?

The game is better now. Mainly due to the systems, scouting and understanding of the game and how to exploit certain areas to make a team successful. Defense has particularly ascended higher than almost any other area. Players are expected to be locked in 100% of the time, and are absolutely blasted after run outs which lead to easy baskets. It couldn't be any more obvious simply due to the amount of time outs you see called right after one bad play.

And not to mention, it really isn't any more, if at all more physical in the 80/90s than it is now. Hand checking is still as big a part of the game as it ever was.

[plowking]

He wouldn't shoot as well because of man-to-man defense and hand checking.

:oldlol:

[TommyGriffin]

http://s10.postimg.org/q4yxu3e13/Curry_Injured.gif

This happened less than a week before the Finals.

Curry suffered a concussion and a back and shoulder injury. He was experiencing dizziness and blured vision up to a month later...He shouldn't of even played in the Finals, it was a major neglect of the concussion protocols of the NBA.

Injured Curry also received not only the most double teams and defensive attention in NBA Finals history, he also faced perhaps the most physical defense as well.

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/9t71SxQSWpL_97Sc4gDLdlSoe9w=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3782442/Untitled.0.gif

There was no foul called on this play.

This was one of only the numerous occasions where they allowed extremely physical play, hand checking and jersey grabbing was not called throughout the entire series as well.

So in spite of a severely injured Steph Curry facing the most aggressive defenses in the history of the game, he still put up 26/5/6/2 on 59% TS. So if an injured Curry can still put up 26/5/6/2 under these circumstances he would have no problem scoring 30, 40, or even more depending on how many minutes he played. Reminder, non-injured Steph Curry is scoring just under one point per minute right now...So Curry playing 40 minutes in a weaker league with weaker athletes, weaker schemes, and a shortened 3 point line...it would be numbers that we haven't seen since Wilt. However they would be within the context of winning and not "Empty Stats" like Wilt's were.
Great post.

[raprap]

He'd destroy the 80's D

[Kvnzhangyay]

You're confusing eras, sitting around not guarding people is the MODERN NBA with the soft zone. Back then it was strictly man to man with hand checking and NO FLAGRANT fouls!!!. Let's see Baby Curry taste the deck a few times against the Bad Boy Pistons and the Celtics and see how he reacts.

The 80's had the greatest generation of players and teams that not only whipped the dudes from the 70's but ended up raping the new school 90's dudes in the next decade. Go look at the most dominant player in the last 30 years, Shaquille O'Neal's playoff record against Hakeem/Drexler, Jordan/Pippen and Stockton/Malone for four straight years, oh yeah 4-16 with 3 SWEEPS!!!

The present day Warriors are the result of the rule tinkering entertainment driven gimmicks that have gone on for more than 15+ years of the NBA.

They are a notch below ALL THE 80's CHAMPIONS!

I don't remember people back then guarding as closely the 3 point line as they do now

[PsychoBe]

Seems like 80's and 90's fans are the ones that can't talk objectively.

Objectively speaking, defenses now are better than ever before, and a more gravitated towards stopping a 3 point threat. Yet we are supposed to believe he would be worse in the 80's and 90's?

The game is better now. Mainly due to the systems, scouting and understanding of the game and how to exploit certain areas to make a team successful. Defense has particularly ascended higher than almost any other area. Players are expected to be locked in 100% of the time, and are absolutely blasted after run outs which lead to easy baskets. It couldn't be any more obvious simply due to the amount of time outs you see called right after one bad play.

And not to mention, it really isn't any more, if at all more physical in the 80/90s than it is now. Hand checking is still as big a part of the game as it ever was.

stop.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Seems like 80's and 90's fans are the ones that can't talk objectively.

Objectively speaking, defenses now are better than ever before, and a more gravitated towards stopping a 3 point threat. Yet we are supposed to believe he would be worse in the 80's and 90's?

The game is better now. Mainly due to the systems, scouting and understanding of the game and how to exploit certain areas to make a team successful. Defense has particularly ascended higher than almost any other area. Players are expected to be locked in 100% of the time, and are absolutely blasted after run outs which lead to easy baskets. It couldn't be any more obvious simply due to the amount of time outs you see called right after one bad play.

And not to mention, it really isn't any more, if at all more physical in the 80/90s than it is now. Hand checking is still as big a part of the game as it ever was.

Yea, I'm known to just go around and just stan the **** out of the 80's/90's :rolleyes: Please, get real...


Objectively speaking, defenses now are better than ever before, and a more gravitated towards stopping a 3 point threat.

^Prove it, please.

League average's DRtg/eFG% are more-or-less the same... So what else can you come up with?
Rules (written/unwritten)? Not a good path to follow from your side.
Footage? Not hard to tell you ain't seen much from those days... Gonna hit me with a couple of highlight plays with shitty D? I can do the same for this era.

And ofc that teams now are more gravitated towards stopping 3pointers than teams were back in the day... Thank you, Captain Obvious :rolleyes:
It is that way because teams nowadays shoot WAY more 3's, what's so hard to understand/tell? That was part of my "argument", saying that Curry wouldn't be shooting as many 3's back in the day because coaches didn't **** with it like that and didn't even run many plays towards, the game/players was different in some ways, so on... Thanks for adding to my point.

Game is better now? :lol Again, prove it, please :rolleyes:

Yes, the game was considerably more physical back then than it is now... If you can't tell, you just don't know what you're talking about.

Hand-checking is still a big part of the game as it ever was?! :wtf:
:biggums:
You just went full retard :facepalm

You answer the part of my post refering to objectivity and then you just go on and give your personal (and pretty ignorant) opinion, with lots of bullshit-ass claims :rolleyes: :oldlol:

[Fire Colangelo]

STILL one of the very best in the game but not quite as good as right now, tbh... Reasons? Mostly these...

- 3pointers were shot at a way lower rate than nowadays... Style of game was different in terms of that, coaches didn't ran that much plays towards it, so on... And that's Curry's main "weapon".

I mean, looking at some of the best 3pt-shooters from back then (not comparing them as players to Steph, and whatnot, here):

> Mark Price - who was cut from the same cloth as Curry, or the other way around - only made all-nba 1st once, he was never top5 in MVP voting, so on...
> Larry Bird never shot over 3.5 3's per game for a season... And he's one of the GOAT shooters, who shot better as his volume of 3's increased... I mean, Bill Fitch didn't even want him shooting 3's at some point. Bird "had" to be elite in MANY other areas (even being 6'9 and such) to become the legend he is.
> Reggie Miller is one of the best, yea... But never won a ring, never was even top10 in MVP voting, never made all-nba 2nd.
> Dale Ellis, who at his best was like Klay Thompson on steroids, never was considered a highly impactful player, only was all-nba once and it was on the 3rd team.
> Who's really talking about Byron Scott, Chuck Person, Darrell Griffith or Dell Curry much nowadays? :confusedshrug:

(and Steph wouldn't even had came up with the 3pt-line but that's another story all together)

- You had more physicality going on - especially when driving down the lane - and that takes a toll especially on smaller guards, even in terms of longevity (look at dudes like Zeke, Price, Gus Williams, Fat Lever...).
Plus, you still had some form of hand-checking making it harder to get to the places you wanted to with the live dribble and such.

- Nowadays you can't even breathe on a player when he's shooting... Back then it was a bit different.
Oh, and you had to have plenty of toughness when moving off the ball to get your shots up, defenders were roughing you up all over.

- 80's is most likely the most stacked era... Various tremendous teams and you had superstars like Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Moses, Dr J, Hakeem, Barkley... EXTREMELY difficult to win MVP and such,


Mf'er need to get real and stop trolling/being ignorant though... Love Curry but let's talk objectively.

All the guys you named aren't close to as good of a shooter as Curry is though. Price, Miller, Ellis, Dell, or even Bird don't even belong in the same breath as Curry as a 3pt shooter.

Curry shoots more 3's a game than some people shoot 2's, and shoot it at a better percentage, that's just ridiculous.

I understand that coaches didn't want to utilize the 3 back then as much as they do now. But you're telling me that they wouldn't use the 3 more if they had a guy that can chuck 10's a game and make almost half of them? We're not even talking about wide open 3's, we're talking about some of the most ridiculous 3's.

Like you said, 3's were not used that much in the 80s or 90s. Wouldn't that act as an advantage for Curry since teams won't have much experience guarding the 3? It works both ways IMO... I honestly don't know how anybody can guard current Curry. Dude's quick as hell, has great handles, has the fastest release known to man, and can knock down any shot.

[deja vu]

:oldlol:
I think he'd shoot about the same on 3 pointers. His 2 pt FG would go down though because of handchecking. I think he'd average 25-27 which is good for top 5 in the league.

[90sgoat]

All the guys you named aren't close to as good of a shooter as Curry is though. Price, Miller, Ellis, Dell, or even Bird don't even belong in the same breath as Curry as a 3pt shooter.

Curry shoots more 3's a game than some people shoot 2's, and shoot it at a better percentage, that's just ridiculous.

I understand that coaches didn't want to utilize the 3 back then as much as they do now. But you're telling me that they wouldn't use the 3 more if they had a guy that can chuck 10's a game and make almost half of them? We're not even talking about wide open 3's, we're talking about some of the most ridiculous 3's.

Like you said, 3's were not used that much in the 80s or 90s. Wouldn't that act as an advantage for Curry since teams won't have much experience guarding the 3? It works both ways IMO... I honestly don't know how anybody can guard current Curry. Dude's quick as hell, has great handles, has the fastest release known to man, and can knock down any shot.

Curry might be the best 3 point shooter ever, but you don't seem to understand he wouldn't get the same looks because defenders would be plastered at him, belly up Scottie Pippen defense.

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Like this:

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[SHAQisGOAT]

All the guys you named aren't close to as good of a shooter as Curry is though. Price, Miller, Ellis, Dell, or even Bird don't even belong in the same breath as Curry as a 3pt shooter.

Curry shoots more 3's a game than some people shoot 2's, and shoot it at a better percentage, that's just ridiculous.

I understand that coaches didn't want to utilize the 3 back then as much as they do now. But you're telling me that they wouldn't use the 3 more if they had a guy that can chuck 10's a game and make almost half of them? We're not even talking about wide open 3's, we're talking about some of the most ridiculous 3's.

Like you said, 3's were not used that much in the 80s or 90s. Wouldn't that act as an advantage for Curry since teams won't have much experience guarding the 3? It works both ways IMO... I honestly don't know how anybody can guard current Curry. Dude's quick as hell, has great handles, has the fastest release known to man, and can knock down any shot.

:biggums:

Not belonging in the same breath is a bit of an overstatement but anywways... I wasn't even comparing them as players or shooters, I was just posting some examples of the best shooters from back in those day and saying that they weren't shooting them 3's (for whatever the reason you can bring up) all that MUCH, while most of them weren't even viewed as ALL THAT, nor collecting MUCH accolades... Dude like Bird had to be MUCH MORE than the 3ball to be the legend that he is.

Let me try this, to paint a better picture... Dale motha****in Ellis was simply a terrific shooter (one of the best ever), a great scorer in many ways in his peak (like a Klay Thompson on steroids), who at his best was shooting 48% from 3pt-land!!! And that's on 4 attempted 3's per game... Now, with his shooting abilities, with the type of efficiency he shot them 3pointers at, he should've been shooting WAY MORE 3's... BUT he just wasn't.

^So, yea, that (and I can bring up much more examples) is what I'm telling you here. Can you grasp it?

That's the issue though... He wouldn't be shooting as many 3's, not even close. Not to mention he wouldn't have had came up with the 3pt-line either.
Can't you understand that?

:wtf: I just said that Bird shot better as his attempts increased and you STILL didn't see him shooting WAY more, you still didn't see the coach running much more plays towards it or emphasizing it more and more... Like I've said, at some point Bill Fitch didn't even want him taking 3's.
That's just another example out of many.

What the **** is experience at guarding the 3 though? Defenses adapt to certain players/teams... And if a dude was great at shooting 3's they'd deny him that... Larry Bird wasn't guarded the same way as a Magic Johnson or whatever, you had to play him very tigh all over... That's what they did.
Why do you think that Price became a beast at and was always displaying the art of splitting the p&r defense? Because they trapped/doubled him off of p&r's in order to deny the 3... Similar to how you have to play Curry... How you have to defend players with great handles and shooting skills.

Oh, and again, nowadays you CAN'T even breathe on a player who's shooting... It was a bit different back then. Nowadays you CAN'T handcheck in order to prevent the dribbler from going anywhere he wants... Different back then. Nowadays you just don't see guys getting checked on their way to the paint like they did back then.
^All of that and so on, also plays a role in this discussion... Ijs.

I swear, sometimes it's hard to get some simple points across here.

[plowking]

Yea, I'm known to just go around and just stan the **** out of the 80's/90's :rolleyes: Please, get real...



^Prove it, please.

League average's DRtg/eFG% are more-or-less the same... So what else can you come up with?
Rules (written/unwritten)? Not a good path to follow from your side.
Footage? Not hard to tell you ain't seen much from those days... Gonna hit me with a couple of highlight plays with shitty D? I can do the same for this era.

And ofc that teams now are more gravitated towards stopping 3pointers than teams were back in the day... Thank you, Captain Obvious :rolleyes:
It is that way because teams nowadays shoot WAY more 3's, what's so hard to understand/tell? That was part of my "argument", saying that Curry wouldn't be shooting as many 3's back in the day because coaches didn't **** with it like that and didn't even run many plays towards, the game/players was different in some ways, so on... Thanks for adding to my point.

Game is better now? :lol Again, prove it, please :rolleyes:

Yes, the game was considerably more physical back then than it is now... If you can't tell, you just don't know what you're talking about.

Hand-checking is still a big part of the game as it ever was?! :wtf:
:biggums:
You just went full retard :facepalm

You answer the part of my post refering to objectivity and then you just go on and give your personal (and pretty ignorant) opinion, with lots of bullshit-ass claims :rolleyes: :oldlol:

Prove it? Look at defensive ratings of the Pistons back in the day, and then take an average team of today. Defenses are more sound, deliberate and set up. All statistics say so.

The game was more physical? Based on what? Likelihood of the ref calling a flagrant. That is the only thing that has changed. Control of the game. The refs are quicker to give techs to discourage any kind of altercations between players. I bet you're one of the idiots on here seeing Dr J punch Bird while Barkley holds him, and type up one of those generic "this was real physical basketball" as if it had anything to do with the game.
Players are far heavier now than they ever were. I wonder why that is? We're all told how this generation is a "small ball" era, yet we have players being heavier and more muscle bound than ever. Might have something to do with how physical the game is today.

Yes, hand checking is prominent now.

This has literally been your argument to all the points I made: "better than the 80/90s? *scoff* no way, you're an idiot if you can't see that it isn't"...

Absolutely no backing or counter arguments.
You are probably too ingrained in your entitled train of thought to actually come up with an argument. You probably don't even know the rule for handchecking back in the 80s/90s. Go check the rule book back then and see how "legal" handchecking was. *hint* - you couldn't impede the players progress with your hands... aka, you weren't allowed to push at all. :oldlol:

All good though. You and the rest of the 80s and 90s rats on here can go ahead and keep thinking that the hand check was some brick wall that no current player could get by. Literally all stats back up how scoring is harder today, especially for wings. Proof:
- Defensive ratings
- Total scores
- Wings were somehow far more efficient back in the 80's and 90's. Dat handchecking doe!!!

[Fire Colangelo]

Curry might be the best 3 point shooter ever, but you don't seem to understand he wouldn't get the same looks because defenders would be plastered at him, belly up Scottie Pippen defense.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/68/2b/1f/682b1fb9633fcac113ebda4e8366ad8c.jpg

Like this:

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Like this?

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It's not that hard to find pictures...

[Fire Colangelo]

:biggums:

Not belonging in the same breath is a bit of an overstatement but anywways... I wasn't even comparing them as players or shooters, I was just posting some examples of the best shooters from back in those day and saying that they weren't shooting them 3's (for whatever the reason you can bring up) all that MUCH, while most of them weren't even viewed as ALL THAT, nor collecting MUCH accolades... Dude like Bird had to be MUCH MORE than the 3ball to be the legend that he is.

Let me try this, to paint a better picture... Dale motha****in Ellis was simply a terrific shooter (one of the best ever), a great scorer in many ways in his peak (like a Klay Thompson on steroids), who at his best was shooting 48% from 3pt-land!!! And that's on 4 attempted 3's per game... Now, with his shooting abilities, with the type of efficiency he shot them 3pointers at, he should've been shooting WAY MORE 3's... BUT he just wasn't.

^So, yea, that (and I can bring up much more examples) is what I'm telling you here. Can you grasp it?

That's the issue though... He wouldn't be shooting as many 3's, not even close. Not to mention he wouldn't have had came up with the 3pt-line either.
Can't you understand that?

:wtf: I just said that Bird shot better as his attempts increased and you STILL didn't see him shooting WAY more, you still didn't see the coach running much more plays towards it or emphasizing it more and more... Like I've said, at some point Bill Fitch didn't even want him taking 3's.
That's just another example out of many.

What the **** is experience at guarding the 3 though? Defenses adapt to certain players/teams... And if a dude was great at shooting 3's they'd deny him that... Larry Bird wasn't guarded the same way as a Magic Johnson or whatever, you had to play him very tigh all over... That's what they did.
Why do you think that Price became a beast at and was always displaying the art of splitting the p&r defense? Because they trapped/doubled him off of p&r's in order to deny the 3... Similar to how you have to play Curry... How you have to defend players with great handles and shooting skills.

Oh, and again, nowadays you CAN'T even breathe on a player who's shooting... It was a bit different back then. Nowadays you CAN'T handcheck in order to prevent the dribbler from going anywhere he wants... Different back then. Nowadays you just don't see guys getting checked on their way to the paint like they did back then.
^All of that and so on, also plays a role in this discussion... Ijs.

I swear, sometimes it's hard to get some simple points across here.

Larry Bird shot better as he shot more? Wtf, do you actually believe the bullshit you're spewing? You think Dale Ellis, Larry Bird, or whoever can take 11 3 pointers per game and make 46% of them? It's one thing taking 4 3pt shots per game, it's another to take 11.

You think the coaches wouldn't utilize the 3 ball more if you had a guy capable of making 11 contested 3's at 46%? Steph Curry shoots the 3 better than most player shoot the 2, you think any smart coach wouldn't take advantage of that?

Larry Bird didn't shoot 11 3's not because he chose not to, but because he wouldn't be efficient at shooting 11 3's. Simple as that, he's nowhere close to the shooter Steph Curry is. He's a good 3pt contest shooter, but in terms of taking and making contested 3's? He's not in the same breath.

Not to mention Curry isn't strictly a 3 point shooter, he can take it to the rim and finish as well. AND he has a great midrange game as well as great vision.

Again, how is it easier to game plan against him in the 80s than it is now?

If defenses were SO much better and so much harder to score on, why does the league average more points in the 80s than it does now?

Honestly, re-read your whole post. Larry Bird shot better as he shot more? Wtf lol does that even sound logical to you? Why didn't he just take 40 shots per game if that was the case then? There's a REASON he didn't take that many 3's.

[FKAri]

Larry Bird shot better as he shot more? Wtf, do you actually believe the bullshit you're spewing? You think Dale Ellis, Larry Bird, or whoever can take 11 3 pointers per game and make 46% of them? It's one thing taking 4 3pt shots per game, it's another to take 11.

You think the coaches wouldn't utilize the 3 ball more if you had a guy capable of making 11 contested 3's at 46%? Steph Curry shoots the 3 better than most player shoot the 2, you think any smart coach wouldn't take advantage of that?

Larry Bird didn't shoot 11 3's not because he chose not to, but because he wouldn't be efficient at shooting 11 3's. Simple as that, he's nowhere close to the shooter Steph Curry is. He's a good 3pt contest shooter, but in terms of taking and making contested 3's? He's not in the same breath.

Not to mention Curry isn't strictly a 3 point shooter, he can take it to the rim and finish as well. AND he has a great midrange game as well as great vision.

Again, how is it easier to game plan against him in the 80s than it is now?

If defenses were SO much better and so much harder to score on, why does the league average more points in the 80s than it does now?

Honestly, re-read your whole post. Larry Bird shot better as he shot more? Wtf lol does that even sound logical to you? Why didn't he just take 40 shots per game if that was the case then? There's a REASON he didn't take that many 3's.

Ofcourse Bird would shoot better as he shot more per game. He would get a rhythm going. All those guys could've done what Curry if they just started chucking 3's. Coaches and players didn't opt for it simply because it's gimmick basketball and no one wants to see that.TROLOLOL

[Fire Colangelo]

Ofcourse Bird would shoot better as he shot more per game. He would get a rhythm going. All those guys could've done what Curry if they just started chucking 3's. Coaches and players didn't opt for it simply because it's gimmick basketball and no one wants to see that.TROLOLOL

True.

That was the beauty of basketball back then.

Guys like Larry Bird could've shot 60% on 50 shots, and averaged 40PPG every year but decided to give the other teams a chance to win :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

lol

[Showtime80']

Jesus you really start to see the age difference when topics like this come up,

Larry Bird and Magic didn't take 11 3's per game or averaged 25 shots per game because they were two of the SMARTEST basketball players ever! And also part of some of the most STACKED lineups in league history including all time great post players in Kareem, Worthy, Parish and McHale. They were NOT going to take pressure off the defense by hoisting up 20 3's a game, why would they?!? The would rather pound the ball inside and get the opposing team in foul trouble as soon as possible not to mention the higher percentage for offensive rebounds for the shooting team and also getting open looks from the double or triple collapsing down low.

Teams in the 80's scored more and were generally more efficient because they were built in the model before the 90's "1 or 2 stars surrounded by role players" and had 3 to 4 all star caliber players with deep benches. Take a look at some of the lineups of teams that DID'T WIN in the 80's like the Mavs, Nuggets, Sonics, Cavs and Bucks!!! STACKED!

The present game can have ALL the technological advancements but it cannot substitute the erosion in basic fundamentals that has happened in the last 20+ years thanks to the "I wanna Be like Mike" syndrome, AAU, earlier entries in the draft being selected for raw potential instead of tangible basic FUNDAMENTAL SKILLS among a bunch of other things.

What you have today is not really basketball as a SPORT like it was in the 80's, it is a rule altered soft entertainment drive GAME! With no physicality or real intense rivalries to speak off where a jump shooter like Curry becomes the most valuable player! PATHETIC!!!

The game now PALES in comparison to the physical, fundamentally sound and overall more spectacular game from the 80's, the last decade when the NBA didn't to worry about making radical changes to the rules the way they have BEEN forced to thanks to the decay in overall play that happened in the 80's.

The 1980's were the Golden Age of the NBA and it will NEVER be duplicated! Deal with it and enjoy Steph Curry jack up more 3 pointers

[Fire Colangelo]

Jesus you really start to see the age difference when topics like this come up,

Larry Bird and Magic didn't take 11 3's per game or averaged 25 shots per game because they were two of the SMARTEST basketball players ever! And also part of some of the most STACKED lineups in league history including all time great post players in Kareem, Worthy, Parish and McHale. They were NOT going to take pressure off the defense by hoisting up 20 3's a game, why would they?!? The would rather pound the ball inside and get the opposing team in foul trouble as soon as possible not to mention the higher percentage for offensive rebounds for the shooting team and also getting open looks from the double or triple collapsing down low.

:roll:
And posts like this really shows how many low IQ posters there are.

First of all, Curry doesn't average 25 shots per game, nor does he "hoist up" 20 3's a game. This season, he's averaging just as many shots or even less than Bird did in his prime.

Second, Magic didn't take 11 3's because he's a shitty 3 point shooter.
Fun fact: Curry is once pace to make more 3's this season that Magic did in his entire career.

You do realize making 46% of your 3 pointers is the same as 69% of your 2 pointers?

But yes, they chose not to because they were smart. They'd make 45% of their 3's if they shot 11 per game. :rolleyes:


Teams in the 80's scored more and were generally more efficient because they were built in the model before the 90's "1 or 2 stars surrounded by role players" and had 3 to 4 all star caliber players with deep benches. Take a look at some of the lineups of teams that DID'T WIN in the 80's like the Mavs, Nuggets, Sonics, Cavs and Bucks!!! STACKED!

lol'd at the Mavs, who were a punching bag for most of the decade except for 1 or 2 seasons.

Nobody, in the history of the league has been as efficient as Curry has been this season.



Didn't bother to quote/respond to the rest of the post since it was all BS, and does not provide a reason why Curry wouldn't do as well in the 80s.

PHYSICALITY, BETTER DEFENSE, GOLDEN AGE THOUGH.

Why do teams score more back then compared to now?

Steph Curry plays on a team with the fastest pace in the NBA, we gonna act like he wouldn't be better on teams that played at a faster pace where every team is trying to out run each other?

[mehyaM24]

anybody who thinks defenses TODAY are better than they were in the 90s are full-blown idiots.

from 2000-2005? when league pace & drtg were at an ALL TIME low? yes. that's the GOAT era of defense that STILL allowed handchecking.

however, today's team stats - pace and eFG are hardly (if any) different than in the 90s - the only difference is BACK THEN you could handcheck and camp in the lane.

handchecking is always called btw - they're called reaching fouls. posting pics does both sides a disservice. just read the rulebook clowns.

[Fire Colangelo]

Prove it? Look at defensive ratings of the Pistons back in the day, and then take an average team of today. Defenses are more sound, deliberate and set up. All statistics say so.

The game was more physical? Based on what? Likelihood of the ref calling a flagrant. That is the only thing that has changed. Control of the game. The refs are quicker to give techs to discourage any kind of altercations between players. I bet you're one of the idiots on here seeing Dr J punch Bird while Barkley holds him, and type up one of those generic "this was real physical basketball" as if it had anything to do with the game.
Players are far heavier now than they ever were. I wonder why that is? We're all told how this generation is a "small ball" era, yet we have players being heavier and more muscle bound than ever. Might have something to do with how physical the game is today.

Yes, hand checking is prominent now.

This has literally been your argument to all the points I made: "better than the 80/90s? *scoff* no way, you're an idiot if you can't see that it isn't"...

Absolutely no backing or counter arguments.
You are probably too ingrained in your entitled train of thought to actually come up with an argument. You probably don't even know the rule for handchecking back in the 80s/90s. Go check the rule book back then and see how "legal" handchecking was. *hint* - you couldn't impede the players progress with your hands... aka, you weren't allowed to push at all. :oldlol:

All good though. You and the rest of the 80s and 90s rats on here can go ahead and keep thinking that the hand check was some brick wall that no current player could get by. Literally all stats back up how scoring is harder today, especially for wings. Proof:
- Defensive ratings
- Total scores
- Wings were somehow far more efficient back in the 80's and 90's. Dat handchecking doe!!!

Forum is getting ridiculous nowadays. Apparently everything in the past was better.

I learned something new today doe.

The more Larry Bird shoots the basketball, the more efficient he became. :lol :lol :lol

Some godly shit right there.

[Jameerthefear]

anybody that thinks defenses today are better than they were in the 90s are full-blown idiots.

from 2000-2005? when league pace & drtg were at an ALL TIME low? yes. that's the GOAT era of defense that STILL allowed handchecking.

today's team stats/pace and eFG are hardly (if any) different than in the 90s - the only difference is back then you could handcheck and camp in the lane.

handchecking is always called btw - they're called reaching fouls.
:roll:

[mehyaM24]

2000-2005 = goat era of defense. stats and rules back this up

today and 90s defense = no difference except defenses were more physical and the lanes were more clogged in the 90s.

look it up.

watch the tape.

do your homework.

[diamenz]

why do folks think the 80's d was shit? you protected the paint in the 80's - you didn't let guards run around it under the basket without shooting or passing the ball lmao.

[Round Mound]

Jesus you really start to see the age difference when topics like this come up,

Larry Bird and Magic didn't take 11 3's per game or averaged 25 shots per game because they were two of the SMARTEST basketball players ever! And also part of some of the most STACKED lineups in league history including all time great post players in Kareem, Worthy, Parish and McHale. They were NOT going to take pressure off the defense by hoisting up 20 3's a game, why would they?!? The would rather pound the ball inside and get the opposing team in foul trouble as soon as possible not to mention the higher percentage for offensive rebounds for the shooting team and also getting open looks from the double or triple collapsing down low.

Teams in the 80's scored more and were generally more efficient because they were built in the model before the 90's "1 or 2 stars surrounded by role players" and had 3 to 4 all star caliber players with deep benches. Take a look at some of the lineups of teams that DID'T WIN in the 80's like the Mavs, Nuggets, Sonics, Cavs and Bucks!!! STACKED!

The present game can have ALL the technological advancements but it cannot substitute the erosion in basic fundamentals that has happened in the last 20+ years thanks to the "I wanna Be like Mike" syndrome, AAU, earlier entries in the draft being selected for raw potential instead of tangible basic FUNDAMENTAL SKILLS among a bunch of other things.

What you have today is not really basketball as a SPORT like it was in the 80's, it is a rule altered soft entertainment drive GAME! With no physicality or real intense rivalries to speak off where a jump shooter like Curry becomes the most valuable player! PATHETIC!!!

The game now PALES in comparison to the physical, fundamentally sound and overall more spectacular game from the 80's, the last decade when the NBA didn't to worry about making radical changes to the rules the way they have BEEN forced to thanks to the decay in overall play that happened in the 80's.

The 1980's were the Golden Age of the NBA and it will NEVER be duplicated! Deal with it and enjoy Steph Curry jack up more 3 pointers

:applause:

[sportjames23]

Curry's my nigguh, but he wouldn't do anything close to what he's doing now in an era where a perimeter player could get roughed up driving to the basket and where defenders could hand check the shit outta you.

The NBA today is a pussified league that shuns hard defense and contact. The only players today who could play back then are the guys who actually DID play back then (Kobe, Garnett, Duncan, Pierce).

[plowking]

why do folks think the 80's d was shit? you protected the paint in the 80's - you didn't let guards run around it under the basket without shooting or passing the ball lmao.

Interesting since I saw Price, Strickland and Mark Jackson do it all the time.

[plowking]

Curry's my nigguh, but he wouldn't do anything close to what he's doing now in an era where a perimeter player could get roughed up driving to the basket and where defenders could hand check the shit outta you.

The NBA today is a pussified league that shuns hard defense and contact. The only players today who could play back then are the guys who actually DID play back then (Kobe, Garnett, Duncan, Pierce).

Hand check the shit out of you? Do you even know the rules. The handcheck in the 80s and 90s wasn't allowed to impede a players progress. Cut the shit with the "brick wall" hand check.


Your whole post is just garbage.

[plowking]

I'd love to see how these "fundamentals" are gone in today's game.

Someone post some stats and show me. Prove it.

[GIF REACTION]

Trust me when I say this, there is nobody on this forum that has researched and discussed era v era more than me...

All boiled down to,

The perimeter defense is a little softer

But inside it is still the same it has always been

Only now defenses have become much more advanced across the league

This is why the evolution of 5 man offenses and the value of the 3pt shot has come about

In the 70's when real hand-checking was still around, it was primarily a jump shot league... of course there was no 3 point line back then. You were hard pressed to find so many slashing type guards you see today. It wasn't until the first handchecking rules, 3pt line introduction and 1981 Illegal defense laws, that the game started to open up and we were introduced to the run and gun 80's.

Getting back to today... Less physicality on the perimeter, BUT this goes both ways. More offensive fouls are called than ever, the whole physicality idea is overblown and a null point essentially. We clearly have too many old school fans who didn't actually watch the games back then... Impeding the offensive player has always been a foul. Refs always swallow their whistles in the playoffs/finals so posting 96 Payton Jordan gifs are irrelevant. Go watch any Golden State game this season, or last years playoffs. There is ALOT of perimeter contact that can be deemed handchecking.

End point; Look at Michael Adams. Curry would be a great player in any time. Curry is commanding instant double teams 23ft from the basket,

IMAGINE that under the old illegal defense rules. Jesus christ.

I think he'd be more or less the same player. The weaker team defenses would be balanced out with more physicality on the perimeter, which goes both ways. Curry would have to work harder, but he would be more efficient, less turnover prone with each and every possession.

[1987_Lakers]

I love how in the last 5 years or so were are starting to see teams run more complex offenses with everyone involved instead the the predictable ISO ball we saw in a good part of the 90's and 00's.

The 2011 Mavs ran a free flowing offense, the 2012-2014 Spurs took it to another level with historic good passing and now you are seeing the Warriors dominating the same way with insane shooting.

Look at the Hawks last year, not a very talented team, but because they ran a offense that had great ball-movement you saw them win like 60 games.

[GIF REACTION]

I love how in the last 5 years or so were are starting to see teams run more complex offenses with everyone involved instead the the predictable ISO ball we saw in a good part of the 90's and 00's.

The 2011 Mavs ran a free flowing offense, the 2012-2014 Spurs took it to another level with historic good passing and now you are seeing the Warriors dominating the same way with insane shooting.

Look at the Hawks last year, not a very talented team, but because they ran a offense that had great ball-movement you saw them win like 60 games.
You missed probably the most important team of that era of time the 2010-2014 Miami Heat

They popularized the stretch 4 versatile offense that we see GSW use today

Lebron made it cool to pass again

[1987_Lakers]

You missed probably the most important team of that era of time the 2010-2014 Miami Heat

They popularized the stretch 4 versatile offense that we see GSW use today

Lebron made it cool to pass again

I was talking in terms of team passing, Miami was a good passing team, but they were no where near the passing team that the Spurs or Warriors were.

[GIF REACTION]

I was talking in terms of team passing, Miami was a good passing team, but they were no where near the passing team that the Spurs or Warriors were.
I'm not sure that's a very good statement

Those Miami teams passed the ball every bit as good as any team in history

[1987_Lakers]

I'm not sure that's a very good statement

Those Miami teams passed the ball every bit as good as any team in history

I never watched Miami play and came out amazed by their passing. It was alot of LeBron waiting for the defense to collapse on him and making plays for his teammates, they were a good passing team, but watching the Spurs from 2012-2014 and the current Warriors is on another level in terms of ball movement.

[Bankaii]

Curry's my nigguh, but he wouldn't do anything close to what he's doing now in an era where a perimeter player could get roughed up driving to the basket and where defenders could hand check the shit outta you.

The NBA today is a pussified league that shuns hard defense and contact. The only players today who could play back then are the guys who actually DID play back then (Kobe, Garnett, Duncan, Pierce).
You just made it so obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.

You literally made shit up because it's a popular myth that the 80s/90s were an all out brawl, and that's completely false. Being the Jordan slurper you are you should be well aware of all the ghost calls Jordan got.

Curry would do just as well if not better in the 80s.

And did this fgt really list Pierce and not AI, Lebron, Durant, etc. Jordan fans are the worst.

[dhsilv]

People seem to forget that Curry would be a big point guard by 90's and certainly 80's standards. It would be interesting see him posting up 30 feet from the basket....though that was horrible basketball and it's amazing people really want to return to that crap.

[plowking]

I think he'd shoot about the same on 3 pointers. His 2 pt FG would go down though because of handchecking. I think he'd average 25-27 which is good for top 5 in the league.

Yep.

Dale Ellis, who is not half the player Curry is put up 28ppg in the 80's, yet Curry would somehow struggle more than him and only put up 25-27ppg.

:oldlol:

[deja vu]

Yep.

Dale Ellis, who is not half the player Curry is put up 28ppg in the 80's, yet Curry would somehow struggle more than him and only put up 25-27ppg.

:oldlol:
Half a player? He's one of the best pure shooters of all time. Obviously Curry is better but Ellis is no slouch. He's also 6'7" tall.

Curry averages about the same on more 3 pointers.

[magnax1]

There really should be no question he wouldn't be nearly as good, and he's really an exception in the sense that you could stick almost any superstar in any era and they'd be nearly as dominant. Go watch his series against Memphis last year, and you will see he was still good, but not quite superstar curry. Now compare Memphis to Detroit in the 80s or the Knicks in the 90s. The Grizzlies might below the average level of physicality in the 90s.
People say that defenses weren't as sophisticated and fast in the 90s, and from a certain way of looking at that, it was true. They didn't have nearly as fast or complex or fast of rotations as today, but they didn't need to because the rules were different. Plopping a center in the paint to block shots all game was a lot easier, they never called the soft fouls on the perimeter they do today. Go look up that four point play from larry johnson in the late 90s. People were freaking the hell out because the refs never called a foul like that back then. Now it's everywhere. Guys like Kobe, Harden, KD, Curry have been getting calls like that almost every game the past 5 or so years.



This knicks bulls series is a good example of the differences,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJtIjc8_o9c

Notice at 1:05 Jordan gets bumped hard driving to the paint. They don't call anything. That's the biggest star in the history of the league. There's another shot that would be a 50/50 chance of free throws in todays league around 2:08 Then another around 2:54.

Now I might sound like I'm saying that the league was better back then. It really wasn't. It was different, but I don't think any one era is objectively a lot tougher to play in. You'll see they even give shooters like starks a lot of space, because that long 3 just isn't worth as much back then when you can dump it inside so much more easily and get a consistent shot that will come with a good amount of free throws. When you HAVE to commit to a double team and can't play any sort of quasi-zone defense, it make guarding the paint so much more important.You'd ISO your star in a way you just wouldn't today. Remember how the cavs plainly cleared out for Lebron in the finals a lot? I wouldn't say that was common place, but you'd see it quite often. If you doubled back then you have to commit fully by league rules and your defense didn't stand a chance when the ball was passed.

This isn't taking anything away from curry. He shouldn't be judged on what he would do 20-30 years ago, even if it is an inevitable question. So far his season might be the best since Shaq. At the very least, he's having a scoring season that's only comparably to Jordan Kobe and Wilt right now. I think it's inevitable he will slow down-shooting 70 TS% at 33 points doesnt seem sustainable, but 32 on 65 TS% is something that has never been done either.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Larry Bird shot better as he shot more? Wtf, do you actually believe the bullshit you're spewing? You think Dale Ellis, Larry Bird, or whoever can take 11 3 pointers per game and make 46% of them? It's one thing taking 4 3pt shots per game, it's another to take 11.

You think the coaches wouldn't utilize the 3 ball more if you had a guy capable of making 11 contested 3's at 46%? Steph Curry shoots the 3 better than most player shoot the 2, you think any smart coach wouldn't take advantage of that?

Larry Bird didn't shoot 11 3's not because he chose not to, but because he wouldn't be efficient at shooting 11 3's. Simple as that, he's nowhere close to the shooter Steph Curry is. He's a good 3pt contest shooter, but in terms of taking and making contested 3's? He's not in the same breath.

Not to mention Curry isn't strictly a 3 point shooter, he can take it to the rim and finish as well. AND he has a great midrange game as well as great vision.

Again, how is it easier to game plan against him in the 80s than it is now?

If defenses were SO much better and so much harder to score on, why does the league average more points in the 80s than it does now?

Honestly, re-read your whole post. Larry Bird shot better as he shot more? Wtf lol does that even sound logical to you? Why didn't he just take 40 shots per game if that was the case then? There's a REASON he didn't take that many 3's.

Bullshit?? :biggums: Are you dumb, my nikka? :wtf: :facepalm
It's a simple matter of looking at Bird's 3pointers attempted and his 3P%... He came into the league shooting 40.6% on 1.7 attempts then you had Bill Fitch not "wanting" him shooting the 3ball and he did it very little for the next years, mostly bail-out shots and at the end of the clock and such... From 1980-81 til 1983-84 he only shot 25.7% on only 0.9 attempts! Then for the next 4 years, the last 4 years of his prime, he raised it up to over 2 3pointers per game, even over 3 per game, always shooting 40+% from beyond the arc...

^Such bullshit :rolleyes:
Who the **** didn't understand that though? I tell you, it's hard to get a point across here... Yea, I was really implying he should've raised his 3pt attempts to 10 or something while keeping/raising his efficiency or something :rolleyes:

You keep talking about 11 threes per game like I've said they could shoot at the same volume/efficiency as Curry :facepalm Moth****a, learn how to read... Again, I was merely bringing up some of the best 3pt shooters in those days, not comparing them as shooters, not comparing them as players to Curry.

Again, are you dumb? How the **** they gonna know if he shoots 46% on 11 3's attempted if they ain't even gonna let him attempt more than 5 or so, most likely.
And 11 CONTESTED 3's at 46%? First of all, season's not over, secondly, do you think he ONLY shoots contested 3's? :facepalm

Oh, and one more time... Curry WOULDN'T have came up with the 3pt-line... That's VERY important here... Not as a kid, not in high-school, not in college...

Again, one of the best examples is prime Dale Ellis... Great scorer, #1 option on his team, one of the best shooters of all-time who could do it in various ways... He was shooting 48% from 3pt-land!!! On 4 attempted 3pointers per-game... Given the situation, given his efficiency, given his ability and skill... He SHOULD'VE been taking WAY more 3's... But guess what? He WASN'T.

In perspective, Larry Bird SHOULD'VE/COULD'VE shot more 3's... Especially in the years he was shooting less than 1 attempt per game.

Never said Curry was strictly a 3pointer, did I? For the contrary though... I even argued in favor of Curry in some of those 3ball's threads where he was saying Steph wouldn't dominate in those days...
Still, three-pointers are Curry's main weapon.

Again :facepalm 40 shots? 11 3's? **** you talking about??? I was talking reasonably OFC, not with those overblown hyperboles like you... Bird ACTUALLY shot better from 3 as he increased his attempts in his prime years... But, yea, only a kid would come out thinking I was implying he should be shooting 11 3's per game at the same rate as Steph or something :facepalm

Quote me on where I've said defenses where much better, please :rolleyes:
I've just said that it would've been harder for a player like Steph in those days... No 3pt-era, more physicality, still some version of handchecking, so on... Harder for smaller guards like him (and it takes a toll), even for jump-shooters... I mean, even looking at the MVP's in those days, you had Kareem, Bird, Moses, Magic, Jordan, Dr J... Not one small guard, and everyone could've been very physical and had a terrific all-around game.

More points scored? Huh, because most teams ran at a higher pace... OVERALL, it's bound to happen. It ain't hard to tell... HOWEVER, DRtg/eFG% is more-or-less the same so...

[SHAQisGOAT]

Prove it? Look at defensive ratings of the Pistons back in the day, and then take an average team of today. Defenses are more sound, deliberate and set up. All statistics say so.

The game was more physical? Based on what? Likelihood of the ref calling a flagrant. That is the only thing that has changed. Control of the game. The refs are quicker to give techs to discourage any kind of altercations between players. I bet you're one of the idiots on here seeing Dr J punch Bird while Barkley holds him, and type up one of those generic "this was real physical basketball" as if it had anything to do with the game.
Players are far heavier now than they ever were. I wonder why that is? We're all told how this generation is a "small ball" era, yet we have players being heavier and more muscle bound than ever. Might have something to do with how physical the game is today.

Yes, hand checking is prominent now.

This has literally been your argument to all the points I made: "better than the 80/90s? *scoff* no way, you're an idiot if you can't see that it isn't"...

Absolutely no backing or counter arguments.
You are probably too ingrained in your entitled train of thought to actually come up with an argument. You probably don't even know the rule for handchecking back in the 80s/90s. Go check the rule book back then and see how "legal" handchecking was. *hint* - you couldn't impede the players progress with your hands... aka, you weren't allowed to push at all.

All good though. You and the rest of the 80s and 90s rats on here can go ahead and keep thinking that the hand check was some brick wall that no current player could get by. Literally all stats back up how scoring is harder today, especially for wings. Proof:
- Defensive ratings
- Total scores
- Wings were somehow far more efficient back in the 80's and 90's. Dat handchecking doe!!!

Prove what my nikka? :rolleyes: You were the one saying defenses are much better nowadays and whatnot... You ARE the ONE who needs to prove something...
Like I've said, DRtg/eFG% are more-or-less the same... So WHAT'S your argument here?

What statistics? :roll:

Oh, and I guess that for you the 70's are the GOAT defensive era, given that DRtg/eFG% was considerably lower, given that "true" handchecking was still around... Or just worse offense? :confusedshrug: What you say, oh he-who-knows-it-all? :rolleyes:
And as the pace decreased into the 80's, league average's ORtg/eFG% actually increased... I thought that that couldn't happen? All this subjective stuff... Please, enlighten us all...

Funny, because you're the one bringing up fights and such :oldlol:
Yea, the game was more physical back then... Based on what? Based on still some form of handchecking going on, based on the refs being least likely to blow their whistles on some ticky-tack fouls with little contact, based on less star treatment going on, based on players way less likely to get a flagrant or ejected, based on much more contact allowed when stopping players from driving into the paint...
It's CLEAR to tell.

Players are MUCH heavier now? :rolleyes: Huh, checking the league's average weight I only see is a difference of 10 lbs or so AND (very important here) they didn't keep track of players' weights back then, you were measured upon entering the league and it stayed like that til you retired... VERY different nowadays. You had Moses Malone still being listed as 215 lbs in the mid-80's :oldlol: For example...

In terms of height though? Average height was higher back then, so **** you talking bout???
AND most players were measured w/o shoes on back then... VERY different right now.

You keep going on with the all 'hand-checking is prominent now' routine? :roll:

I've forgotten more about basketball and the rules than you've ever known... Yes, I'm aware that the handchecking going on in the 80's wasn't "real" handchecking BUT it was still some form of it, you could still do it in SOME way... Nowadays though? You just CAN'T, it's CLEAR to tell... *hint* - go watch some games and read the rule-book while you're at it.

Huh? Are you dumb? :facepalm
Again, DRtg/eFG% are more-or-less the same... **** you talking about?
Total scores? Yea, OVERALL higher pace, that's bound to happen... Funny because the pace has been going up due to the most dominant team, the champions pushing up the pace and such :lol Guess that that's just better basketball right now or something, huh? But let's fault Steph/GS for it.
Wings are actually more efficient nowadays when you think about it... But a s.o.b. like you only brings TS% when it serves your point though. And, again, eFG% is more-or-less the same so... That efficiency talk is null.

[90sgoat]

handchecking is always called btw - they're called reaching fouls. posting pics does both sides a disservice. just read the rulebook clowns.

I was not posting pics to show handchecking, I was trying to show what constituted allowed contact on perimeter defense and no one showcases that better than Pippen and Payton.

It's not just handchecking, it's that you simply can't touch a player today on the perimeter, remember Durants rip through move?

In the 90s if someone played hard defense on you, there would NOT be daylight between you and you defender. That's why Penny in the pic has his back turned to his man and that's why Marc Jackson played that way and Magic. It was COMMON for point guards to have to shield the ball like that at the perimeter because of the close defense.

It is a world of difference.

[90sgoat]

I love how in the last 5 years or so were are starting to see teams run more complex offenses with everyone involved instead the the predictable ISO ball we saw in a good part of the 90's and 00's.

The 2011 Mavs ran a free flowing offense, the 2012-2014 Spurs took it to another level with historic good passing and now you are seeing the Warriors dominating the same way with insane shooting.

Look at the Hawks last year, not a very talented team, but because they ran a offense that had great ball-movement you saw them win like 60 games.

Iso ball only happened from around 1998 - 2005 or so.

The 90s had great passing teams, the Bulls played some of the most beautiful team ball ever.

Utah Jazz the same are you kidding me, that was a clinic in fundamental passing play.

The difference is a lot of games were played inside-out, which has a different aestethic.

[GIF REACTION]

Iso ball only happened from around 1998 - 2005 or so.

The 90s had great passing teams, the Bulls played some of the most beautiful team ball ever.

Utah Jazz the same are you kidding me, that was a clinic in fundamental passing play.

The difference is a lot of games were played inside-out, which has a different aestethic.
The game for all intents and purposes is still played inside-out

It's just a different style... Less post ups and more high pick and rolls leading to drive and kicks

The league is still inside-out, as it has always been

Don't be fooled by the Warriors. They are an anomaly... The only true team that plays outside-in

[90sgoat]

The game for all intents and purposes is still played inside-out

It's just a different style... Less post ups and more high pick and rolls leading to drive and kicks

The league is still inside-out, as it has always been

Don't be fooled by the Warriors. They are an anomaly... The only true team that plays outside-in

Will you at least agree there is less diversity in play styles?

[Showtime80']

To me the game went in crapper due to the "I wanna be like Mike" phenomenon. It not only affected players and how they were being developed but also in their attitudes where scoring 30 points became the thing for al positions including PG'S! The league also went overboard with it taking their protection of players specially stars to a pathetically pampered level.

Right now there are NO RIVALRIES!!! Like Don King said once "Without rivalries and storylines is just basically two dumb niqqas beating up on each other and NOBODY pays to see that"!!! That's what the NBA is today, a bunch of soft, athletic, fundamentally lacking dudes running up and down the floor chucking 3's and being buddy buddy with the other superstars in the league. PITIFUL!!!

The 80's had the GREATEST AND MOST INTENSE RIVALRIES in the history of the NBA and that coupled with the style of play and the magnetic superstars of the era made the Golden Period for the game.

Today can't even compare to the early 90's for God's sake

[90sgoat]

To me the game went in crapper due to the "I wanna be like Mike" phenomenon. It not only affected players and how they were being developed but also in their attitudes where scoring 30 points became the thing for al positions including PG'S! The league also went overboard with it taking their protection of players specially stars to a pathetically pampered level.

Right now there are NO RIVALRIES!!! Like Don King said once "Without rivalries and storylines is just basically two dumb niqqas beating up on each other and NOBODY pays to see that"!!! That's what the NBA is today, a bunch of soft, athletic, fundamentally lacking dudes running up and down the floor chucking 3's and being buddy buddy with the other superstars in the league. PITIFUL!!!

The 80's had the GREATEST AND MOST INTENSE RIVALRIES in the history of the NBA and that coupled with the style of play and the magnetic superstars of the era made the Golden Period for the game.

Today can't even compare to the early 90's for God's sake

Yes, I agree.

I grew up with Mike so naturally I thought being Michael Jordan was the optimal way to win at basketball. The fact is though, that MJ won DESPITE being a high scoring guard, just because he was so incredibly good. This realization probably took about 10 years before I realized there would never be another Michael Jordan, just like 6'9'' all star point guards don't come along every draft either.

Another thing, the expansions really diluted the league. The 80s had what? 4 less teams than the 90s, 6 less than the 00s?

You have Tristan Thompson being paid 85 million, that's how diluted the league has become.

[Showtime80']

Exactly! 23 teams back then and around 16 of those teams had a hall of famer/transcendent superstar in their lineups!

Good call on Tristan Thompson! Would he be doing anything other than getting DNP's for ANY of the teams that made the Finals in the 80's!?!

Kurt Rambis must be rolling in his grave right now, he would be an 80 million dollar player today!

[90sgoat]

Exactly! 23 teams back then and around 16 of those teams had a hall of famer/transcendent superstar in their lineups!

Good call on Tristan Thompson! Would he be doing anything other than getting DNP's for ANY of the teams that made the Finals in the 80's!?!

Kurt Rambis must be rolling in his grave right now, he would be an 80 million dollar player today!

He is a pretty good rebounder, he would have a Popeye Jones role on a bad team. I doubt any more than that, because why have TT when you could have a Kevin Willis putting up 20 points and 14 boards or a Charles Oakley or a Derrick Coleman or a Karl Malone or Ralph Sampson or McHale or Charles Barkley or Otis Thorpe or any number of other great power forwards of the 80s and 90s.

If you can box out today - something which most players seriously don't seem to be able to do - then you can get a max contract.

[OldSchoolBBall]

I was not posting pics to show handchecking, I was trying to show what constituted allowed contact on perimeter defense and no one showcases that better than Pippen and Payton.

It's not just handchecking, it's that you simply can't touch a player today on the perimeter, remember Durants rip through move?

In the 90s if someone played hard defense on you, there would NOT be daylight between you and you defender. That's why Penny in the pic has his back turned to his man and that's why Marc Jackson played that way and Magic. It was COMMON for point guards to have to shield the ball like that at the perimeter because of the close defense.

It is a world of difference.

Yup. It's hysterical that some people don't realize this - or refuse to acknowledge it, more accurately. A guy like Curry would have to work a lot harder to get looks at the basket than he does today. And expending more energy = fewer shots going in due to fatigue.

[mehyaM24]

I was not posting pics to show handchecking, I was trying to show what constituted allowed contact on perimeter defense and no one showcases that better than Pippen and Payton.

It's not just handchecking, it's that you simply can't touch a player today on the perimeter, remember Durants rip through move?

In the 90s if someone played hard defense on you, there would NOT be daylight between you and you defender. That's why Penny in the pic has his back turned to his man and that's why Marc Jackson played that way and Magic. It was COMMON for point guards to have to shield the ball like that at the perimeter because of the close defense.

It is a world of difference.

i didn't mean to single you out, i was actually more or less persecuting the dumb ape inserting pics in an effort to say "the nba still allows handchecking. hurr durr"

but, wanted to be fair and just say "both sides".. you are 100% correct though.

2000-2004 = goat era of defense (handchecking still allowed, best combination of pace & drtg stats)

1990s > current era because while defensive stats may be the SAME today, the perimeter defense NOW is softer due to the abolition of handcheck, and as you said, the inability to put your hands on the offensive player.

OT: i always said that lebron in the 90s would be utterly insane. his freakish build would be better suited for the physicality, especially on the defensive side.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Half a player? He's one of the best pure shooters of all time. Obviously Curry is better but Ellis is no slouch. He's also 6'7" tall.

Curry averages about the same on more 3 pointers.

Pretty much.

Dale Ellis had seasons where he shot over 47% from the 3PT line (while averaging 25-28ppg). He was also more athletic and a MUCH better defender than Curry (partially due to his height).

The new gen posters are sleeping on this dude. He's a modern star stuck in the 80s and early 90s. :lol

[Straight_Ballin]

Curry dead lifts 415 pounds, if Joe Dumars put his hands on him Steph would pick him up like a teacup and move him right out of the way.

It's well known the tighter you play Curry the harder you get torched. This plus the shortened 3 point line and it would be a pure bloodbath.

What does Delly dead lift then? 500?

[Straight_Ballin]

Yes, I agree.

I grew up with Mike so naturally I thought being Michael Jordan was the optimal way to win at basketball. The fact is though, that MJ won DESPITE being a high scoring guard, just because he was so incredibly good. This realization probably took about 10 years before I realized there would never be another Michael Jordan, just like 6'9'' all star point guards don't come along every draft either.

Another thing, the expansions really diluted the league. The 80s had what? 4 less teams than the 90s, 6 less than the 00s?

You have Tristan Thompson being paid 85 million, that's how diluted the league has become.

This plus it's also universally accepted that Jordan was so good that you replace lebron with him, he still goes 6/6. The evidence is that in all 6 finals, he showed that he didn't know how to lose.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Pretty much.

Dale Ellis had seasons where he shot over 47% from the 3PT line (while averaging 25-28ppg). He was also more athletic and a MUCH better defender than Curry (partially due to his height).

The new gen posters are sleeping on this dude. He's a modern star stuck in the 80s and early 90s. :lol

Prime Dale Ellis is very underrated.
He's also very underrated when talking about the all-time best shooters, you don't see him featured as much as he should've in GOAT shooters lists.

Dude was 6'7 barefooted, pretty good athlete, terrific without the ball, could score in many ways, elite shooter from anywhere except at the FT-line, had a post-game, could score inside, rebounded very well for his position on the offensive glass, not a bad defensive player (plenty due to length+athleticism)... He put up 27.5 PPG on 50.1 / 47.8 / 81.6 in his best season (1989); he played extremely well in the 1987 Playoffs, unexpectedly leading the Sonics to the Conference Finals, shitting on the team that drafted him and didn't give him a chance (Mavs).

Like I've said, on the offensive end, dude was something like Klay Thompson on steroids.

With that said, he peaked in the late 80's and never made more than all-nba 3rd, never was top20 in MVP voting, was only once an all-star, was only shooting around 4 3's per game - playing like 38 minutes - when he EASILY COULD'VE and SHOULD'VE... Just an example from one of the best shooters at the time, and one of the best shooters of all-time really.

He then got hit by injuries and became more of a journeyman (scoring/shooting role-player), while still relatively young.

And you're right, there... Ellis didn't have Curry's handles and wasn't even quite as good as a shooter but he was considerably taller than Steph, more athletic, more physical and equipped with a post-game... Which were very valuable "assets" to have in those days.

Dale would've been MUCH BETTER suited to today's game though, he would've beasted in the right situation in this league.

And it wasn't just that he didn't play in 3pt-era... He also didn't come up with the 3pt-line and still made it into a big-time weapon for him on the basketball court.

Killing McCray/Reid, with Hakeem and Sampson in the paint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt9yVTauZbo
Going in on his former team, in the post-season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO4KBGEPM2E
Duel vs Jordan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhNJN2RyRd0

[Marchesk]

Duel vs Jordan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhNJN2RyRd0[/B]

Feb 23rd, announcer says Jordan is averaging 34, 7.9 assists and 4.1 steals on the season.

If you're a Jordan stan, all you literally have to do is post an image of him holding up six fingers and then a link to basketball reference.

With all due respect to 3Ball ...

[dreamwarrior]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dg7bLL5Kgo

Curry couldn't even beat 80's role player Mark Jackson in a 3pt contest.

[Fire Colangelo]

Bullshit?? :biggums: Are you dumb, my nikka?

It's a simple matter of looking at Bird's 3pointers attempted and his 3P%... He came into the league shooting 40.6% on 1.7 attempts then you had Bill Fitch not "wanting" him shooting the 3ball and he did it very little for the next years, mostly bail-out shots and at the end of the clock and such... From 1980-81 til 1983-84 he only shot 25.7% on only 0.9 attempts! Then for the next 4 years, the last 4 years of his prime, he raised it up to over 2 3pointers per game, even over 3 per game, always shooting 40+% from beyond the arc...


You could say the same about a lot of players. In fact, you could say the same about Curry, Durant, etc as well.

How does that even mean anything. In your entire post you brought out arguments that has NOTHING to do what how Curry would do in the 80s/90s and came to the conclusion that Curry wouldn't do as well.

You don't seem to understand that for guys like Larry Bird and Dale Ellis, all they get is 4-5 efficient looks at the 3 per game. For Curry, every 3 pointer is a good look. Do you not understand the difference between that?

Respect to Larry Bird and Dale Ellis, but like I said before, they don't breath on Curry as a 3 point shooter.


^Such bullshit
Who the **** didn't understand that though? I tell you, it's hard to get a point across here... Yea, I was really implying he should've raised his 3pt attempts to 10 or something while keeping/raising his efficiency or something :rolleyes:

I don't know what the **** you're implying then because the point that you're trying to imply, nobody gives a **** about it and it doesn't even relate to the topic. So what if Larry Bird shot better % when he shot 4 3 pointers instead of 2? Curry shot better % when he shot 11 3 pointers instead of 7, what the hell does that even proof? You're literally pulling shit out of your ass that doesn't mean jackshit.


Again, are you dumb? How the **** they gonna know if he shoots 46% on 11 3's attempted if they ain't even gonna let him attempt more than 5 or so, most likely.
And 11 CONTESTED 3's at 46%? First of all, season's not over, secondly, do you think he ONLY shoots contested 3's? :facepalm

Are you mentally challenged? You don't think coaches see this shit in practice? You don't think the coaches will see Curry draining a shitloads of 3's in practice and decide to give it a shot in game? Or even in the pre-season maybe?

But yeah, Bill Fitch this Bill Fitch that, we're gonna use Bill Fitch of all people as an example of a good coach? We're talking about someone that's done jackshit outside of riding Larry Bird's greatness to a title.


Oh, and one more time... Curry WOULDN'T have came up with the 3pt-line... That's VERY important here... Not as a kid, not in high-school, not in college...


Again going off topic

I'm talking about inserting current Curry in the 80s/90s. Nobody gives a **** how he would've been brought up in the 80s and 90s, that's a completely different topic.

That's the same as me saying Kareem wouldn't be as good in this era because he wouldn't work on his post game as much. Same goes for Hakeem or every other great big men.

Jordan wouldn't be as good driving to the basket because he'd be more focused on the 3 pointer.

etc.

But going with your logic here, if Curry was brought up in the 80s wouldn't he be ALOT MORE physical? Dude's 6'3 and definitely would've straight up killed dudes like Stockton and Isiah. You wouldn't admit to that though.



Again, one of the best examples is prime Dale Ellis... Great scorer, #1 option on his team, one of the best shooters of all-time who could do it in various ways... He was shooting 48% from 3pt-land!!! On 4 attempted 3pointers per-game... Given the situation, given his efficiency, given his ability and skill... He SHOULD'VE been taking WAY more 3's... But guess what? He WASN'T.

In perspective, Larry Bird SHOULD'VE/COULD'VE shot more 3's... Especially in the years he was shooting less than 1 attempt per game.

You keep saying you don't want to compare Ellis and Bird to Curry, but you KEEP bringing this shit up.

Larry Bird and Dale Ellis can only manage so many efficient looks at the 3, and that's the amount of 3's they took. If they took more, it'd be detrimental to their team.

Curry is different, every 3 is an efficient 3. He's the best 3 point shooter in the history of the league, better Reggie Miller, better than Ray Allen, and way better than Larry Bird/Dale Ellis.



Again 40 shots? 11 3's? **** you talking about??? I was talking reasonably OFC, not with those overblown hyperboles like you... Bird ACTUALLY shot better from 3 as he increased his attempts in his prime years... But, yea, only a kid would come out thinking I was implying he should be shooting 11 3's per game at the same rate as Steph or something :facepalm

Again, what the **** are you trying to imply then? Because anything else would be completely unrelated. Larry Bird shot better % when he shot 4 3's compared to 1.

SO WHAT?

He's still not even close to the same level as Curry is. Curry shoots 3 times as more, and still shoot the 3 ball more efficiently.


Quote me on where I've said defenses where much better, please :rolleyes:
I've just said that it would've been harder for a player like Steph in those days... No 3pt-era, more physicality, still some version of handchecking, so on... Harder for smaller guards like him (and it takes a toll), even for jump-shooters... I mean, even looking at the MVP's in those days, you had Kareem, Bird, Moses, Magic, Jordan, Dr J... Not one small guard, and everyone could've been very physical and had a terrific all-around game.

Again, I'm inserting current Curry in the 80s/90s, and as far as I'm concerned the 3 point line existed.

Smaller guards :lol :lol :lol

You do realize Curry would be one of the bigger guards in the 80s?

Are we gonna act like Curry doesn't have a complete game? I mean sure, the game back then was geared towards bigger players, but that doesn't mean Curry wouldn't be just as good back then as he is now.

You bring out physicality like it's a thing :lol :lol fouls are still fouls and they still get called. Sure the defense gets away with more due to hand checking rules, but the offense an also get away with more offense fouls. It works both ways.



More points scored? Huh, because most teams ran at a higher pace... OVERALL, it's bound to happen. It ain't hard to tell... HOWEVER, DRtg/eFG% is more-or-less the same so...

Exactly, could you imagine teams actually trying to outrun Curry?

It'd be a slaughter.

[dhsilv]

I recall Bobby knight talking about how he told everyone to not jump without knowing what they'd do with the ball and then MJ on the olympics team made some SICK play and he's like "ok he cna do that, but nobody else". That's how I imagine Curry would be in the 90's.

[MiseryCityTexas]

People are under estimating 60s era of basketball. Wilt Chamberlain would destroy today's centers. Prime Jerry West could hang with Steph Curry.

[Marchesk]

People are under estimating 60s era of basketball. Wilt Chamberlain would destroy today's centers. Prime Jerry West could hang with Steph Curry.

Prime West:

31.2 with 7.5 assists on 49.7% :applause:

[swagga]

i'm no curry hater because he is pure skill and fun to watch, but anybody thinking he would be anywhere close to a big star in the late 80s/early 90s doesn't know shit about that era.

2 simple reasons.

1. he'd break down physically.
It was the era of hand checking, bodying, undercutting, elbowing, fights-on-court, aggresive defense, old skool hip hop sports. People really got away with murder. He'd get manhandled a lot and would break down fast. Right now he is protected by the style of play imposed by the league but back then ... bad boy pistons, jordan bulls, sonics, jazz, riley knicks ... those teams really laid the beatdown. I love curry but I don't see him playing too many games. With his skill and fragility he'd be a constant target for bullies like oakley/mason/rodman/malone/laimbeer/...

2. he struggles with physicality.
he is babied by the league and people can't be physical with him like with other people, but look at what dellavedova or the spurs gave him last year. A shooting based game is ALWAYS highly vulnerable to physicality. Now imagine playing under late 80s/early 90s rules.

IMO curry is a fantastic player but anybody who seen enough ball knows that he wouldn't be as devastating in previous eras. That's the true difference between curry and true GOATs. Players like bryant/duncan/lebron would be monsters in any era.

[juju151111]

Yup. It's hysterical that some people don't realize this - or refuse to acknowledge it, more accurately. A guy like Curry would have to work a lot harder to get looks at the basket than he does today. And expending more energy = fewer shots going in due to fatigue.
Is that why Mark price could play in the league and Curry>>>>>Price

[swagga]

They would do well, just like the RUN TMC Warriors, Kevin Johnson's Suns, Dale Elli's Sonics and Alex English's Nuggets did, basically the Showtime Lakers B!TCH!!!

You needed BIG PEOPLE and 3 to 4 all stars in the 80's to win titles. They lost 2 out of 4 games to a one man team in the Finals!!! Basically the equivalent to the 80's Bulls who were getting bounced in the first and second round for most of the decade.

The Warriors don't have the talent and the physicality to compete with the 80's SUPER TEAMS.

They are a nice team in today's rule altered soft 3 point happy video game NBA. Nothing more, nothing less!

i feel you man. These kids right here need to acknowledge that a banged up cavs took the mighty warriors to 6 just because they were a huge team and compensated for their lack of team skill by constantly mauling them in the post and on the glass. If a front court of tristan thompson and mozgov gave them fits ... I shudder to think what any of the true GOAT teams from the 80s would do them with any rules. You put the 80s/90s rules and it's :roll:

83 sixers/89 pistons vs warriors on 80s rules :biggums: talk about a BEATDOWN.

[Rocketswin2013]

Curry and the current Warriors during the 80's would be a disaster for the league.

The only time they have struggled is when they have played East teams who slow the game down, and a West team like Utah that plays like an East team(they literally play at the slowest pace in the league).

Them in the 80s, where teams would try to run with them? :oldlol: Curry would get better looks now than before. He's looking like the GOAT transition player as it is.

[swagga]

Is that why Mark price could play in the league and Curry>>>>>Price

mark price was a tough bastard, do you see curry diving for a ball against a player like payton?
http://i.giphy.com/s9HJV5iAT1oA.gif

[MiseryCityTexas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dg7bLL5Kgo

Curry couldn't even beat 80's role player Mark Jackson in a 3pt contest.

Michal Finley beat Jordan in a one on one pickup game. Jordan's still a better overall player.

[swagga]

Curry and the current Warriors during the 80's would be a disaster for the league.

The only time they have struggled is when they have played East teams who slow the game down, and a West team like Utah that plays like an East team(they literally play at the slowest pace in the league).

Them in the 80's west, where teams would try to run with them? :oldlol: Curry would get better looks now than before. He's looking like the GOAT transition player as it is.

he'd get his numbers allright, and GSW would make a killing in the wild west. I agree on that. But there is no way in HELL this warriors teams gets by the showtime lakers. NO WAY. Magic johnson would make curry his bitch and old man KAJ would drop 30+ a game. You got nobody to put on worthy. It's just a horrible matchup for the warriors.

If you put the warriors in the east they'd go against philly/detroit/boston. They don't have the size to match any of these teams and they'll tire out by the end of the 2nd game in the series. And of course you have the jordan's bulls, another horrible matchup, that would absolutely suffocate GSW.

Even 2nd tier teams like the 90s knicks, 90s indiana would pose major problems for the warriors because they were BIG and they were physical as hell.... as we are talking about 80s/90s rules.

Then you have mid 90s rockets and mid 90s orlando with peak hakeem and prime shaq... i don't even want to imagine what statlines these dude would put on gsw.

[MiseryCityTexas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J89PJdjCkHQ

Michael Finley was a beast when he played in the mid to late 90s though.

[juju151111]

mark price was a tough bastard, do you see curry diving for a ball against a player like payton?
http://i.giphy.com/s9HJV5iAT1oA.gif
Are you retarded? I said Curry is better then Price and he played in the 80s and 90s.

[andgar923]

So let me get this straight.
Around 90% of posters that are actually old enough to witness 80s and 90s bball agree that Curry wouldn't be as good back then.

Yet those that aren't old enough think he'd dominate?

Tell me who's delusional here.

[Jameerthefear]

So let me get this straight.
Around 90% of posters that are actually old enough to witness 80s and 90s bball agree that Curry wouldn't be as good back then.

Yet those that aren't old enough think he'd dominate?

Tell me who's delusional here.
you guys.

[juju151111]

So let me get this straight.
Around 90% of posters that are actually old enough to witness 80s and 90s bball agree that Curry wouldn't be as good back then.

Yet those that aren't old enough think he'd dominate?

Tell me who's delusional here.
Your delusional. Who better Mark price or Steph Curry.

[Jameerthefear]

Your delusional. Who better Mark price or Steph Curry.
that's seriously all you have to ask these morons. not one person in the world thinks price or vandeweghe or some other guy putting up 30ppg in that era are better than curry... but somehow there's a disconnect that curry WHO IS CLEARLY BETTER THAN THOSE PLAYERS would struggle. it's ****ing hilarious

[Lebron23]

Best shooter in any era.

[Bronbron23]

theres alot of comments that show people dont know the game or know stephs game. Steph would be great in any era lets jist get that out of the way. That said hes not dominating that era. Defensively you were aloud way more physicality on the perimeter and there was way more rim protection. On the other hand his shooting ability is insane so hes still gonna get his looks. He'd probably be right around what he is now. Difference is he wouldnt be able to finish as easy so hed have to shoot more threes or mids. Like now days he still wouldn't be the best player in the league and he'd still need luck or a weak move by the second best player in the league to win chips.

[getting_old]

I can say under "what if" that i would have enjoyed letting Rick Barry, Larry Bird, Pete Maravich, World B Free have the freedom to put up 20 3PA on any given night, a reversal of the question.

[Uncle Drew]

Poor man's Abdul-Rauf.

[Stephonit]

Poor man's Abdul-Rauf.

I suppose Abdul-Rauf in the current NBA would have won 5 rings.

No one can deny you're funny. :roll:

[Uncle Drew]

I suppose Abdul-Rauf in the current NBA would have won 5 rings.

No one can deny you're funny. :roll:

Yes, anyone can win 5 rings getting carried. Yes, that is correct.