The thing that NBA casual fans or low IQ fans don't understand in Curry vs Lebron

[masonanddixon]

When Lebron has 40-8-8 on horrible efficiency in the Finals and no defense whatsoever, he's freezing out his teammates and making nobody better--its simply a function of his dominating the ball. Lebron isn't a great shooter and he isn't a great one on one guy. He's an in-the-flow-of-the-offense player.

But when Curry goes 9-27 and 7 turnovers the simple fact that he commands so much attention from 32 feet away from the basket to making a simple dribble drive it's an unofficial assist to his teammates.

And thats why Curry is the better player. Now I know I'll get shit from Lebron fanbois about this and that but anyone who has ever played the game of basketball knows exactly what I am talking about.

[RRR3]

OP eats moldy urinas hasha

[Akrazotile]

When Lebron has 40-8-8 on horrible efficiency in the Finals and no defense whatsoever, he's freezing out his teammates and making nobody better--its simply a function of his dominating the ball. Lebron isn't a great shooter and he isn't a great one on one guy. He's an in-the-flow-of-the-offense player.

But when Curry goes 9-27 and 7 turnovers the simple fact that he commands so much attention from 32 feet away from the basket to making a simple dribble drive it's an unofficial assist to his teammates.

And thats why Curry is the better player. Now I know I'll get shit from Lebron fanbois about this and that but anyone who has ever played the game of basketball knows exactly what I am talking about.


His teammates in the finals were Mathew Delevadova, JR Smith, and Christian Thompson. Lebron didn't have to freeze those guys out on offense - they're already frozen.

[Nick Young]

Another day, another new excuse for Lebron being an underachiever.

[dubeta]

OP is a loser, stop posting

[masonanddixon]

His teammates in the finals were Mathew Delevadova, JR Smith, and Christian Thompson. Lebron didn't have to freeze those guys out on offense - they're already frozen.

I don't see how thats any different to Tyson Chandler, Jason Kidd, Jason terry, and Shawn Marion.

[plowking]

The thing is when Dragic has a game where he sucks, you can't see that he sucks, bad. Really bad.

Like today.

Bledsoe>Dragic.

[masonanddixon]

The thing is when Dragic has a game where he sucks, you can't see that he sucks, bad. Really bad.

Like today.

Bledsoe>Dragic.

Thats not the topic at hand here.

[Cocaine80s]

I see we've already discovered Kenneth's alt

[RRR3]

I don't see how thats any different to Tyson Chandler, Jason Kidd, Jason terry, and Shawn Marion.
duhhhhh derrr duhhhh is what you said basically haha

[masonanddixon]

duhhhhh derrr duhhhh is what you said basically haha

Give the fake pseudo marijuana weed head toking schtick a rest, man. It's lame as hell.

[RRR3]

**** off you racist

[ralph_i_el]

I don't see how thats any different to Tyson Chandler, Jason Kidd, Jason terry, and Shawn Marion.

:facepalm

Tyson Chandler was an all-world caliber defender and finisher
Terry was an excellent combo guard that season.
Jason Kidd made 100% of the right plays and could defend 3 positions.

JR Smith= retarded chucked
Dellavadova = defensive specialist guard with a really bad off the dribble game
Thompson= can't shoot

Mozgov was the Cavs second best player in the finals. Mozgov

[masonanddixon]

:facepalm

Tyson Chandler was an all-world caliber defender and finisher
Terry was an excellent combo guard that season.
Jason Kidd made 100% of the right plays and could defend 3 positions.

JR Smith= retarded chucked
Dellavadova = defensive specialist guard with a really bad off the dribble game
Thompson= can't shoot

Mozgov was the Cavs second best player in the finals. Mozgov

Mozgov is pretty good actually and Jr Smith raped Terry in the Nuggets series. Kidd had a bunch of zero point games in the postseason and Terry is very streaky. I fail to see the difference.

[WayOfWade]

Let's be honest, did LeBron really have any other choice?

[Human Error]

When Lebron has 40-8-8 on horrible efficiency in the Finals and no defense whatsoever, he's freezing out his teammates and making nobody better--its simply a function of his dominating the ball. Lebron isn't a great shooter and he isn't a great one on one guy. He's an in-the-flow-of-the-offense player.

But when Curry goes 9-27 and 7 turnovers the simple fact that he commands so much attention from 32 feet away from the basket to making a simple dribble drive it's an unofficial assist to his teammates.

And thats why Curry is the better player. Now I know I'll get shit from Lebron fanbois about this and that but anyone who has ever played the game of basketball knows exactly what I am talking about.
Shut up idiot. You're a freaking retard if you think the talent level of Dellavedova, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, James Jones can even remortedly match that of Klay Thompson, Andrew Bogut, Draymond Green, Harrison Barnes, and the series MVP Andre Iguodala.

[masonanddixon]

Let's be honest, did LeBron really have any other choice?

Yes I think he should have switched tactics after Game 3 but his ego wouldn't allow him to do so.

Mozgov should have been taking 25 shots a game. He was raping the Warriors front line. I remember those first 2 or 3 games he was shooting like 80%, then Lebron stopped feeding him.

[WayOfWade]

Yes I think he should have switched tactics after Game 3 but his ego wouldn't allow him to do so.

Mozgov should have been taking 25 shots a game. He was raping the Warriors front line. I remember those first 2 or 3 games he was shooting like 80%, then Lebron stopped feeding him.
You can't seriously tell me that Mosgov could've taken 25 shots a game against the Warriors and had better results than LeBron. Now I've got to say I did not watch the finals, I was busy out of the country, but Mozgov isn't the caliber of player who can change the outcome of a series. If I remember correctly though, in the games the Cavs did win, LeBron put up something like 39/16/13 and then 40/12/8 (rough numbers). In hindsight though, I don't think the Cavs had a shot either way.

[masonanddixon]

You can't seriously tell me that Mosgov could've taken 25 shots a game against the Warriors and had better results than LeBron. Now I've got to say I did not watch the finals, I was busy out of the country, but Mozgov isn't the caliber of player who can change the outcome of a series. If I remember correctly though, in the games the Cavs did win, LeBron put up something like 39/16/13 and then 40/12/8 (rough numbers). In hindsight though, I don't think the Cavs had a shot either way.

I was following most of the series because I had time off and Mozgov was basically getting anything he wanted and getting the Warriors front line in trouble. I would've liked to have seen Cleveland play through him more instead of lebron taking horrible shots he can't make and on poor efficiency.

Yeah Lebron had monster numbers but he shot below 40% and made nobody better.

Warriors showed they were weak when defenses focused on Curry (eg Memphis series) and their bigs got into foul trouble. Cavs completed the former with Dellavadova but not the latter when they went away from Mozgov.

[warriorfan]

You can't seriously tell me that Mosgov could've taken 25 shots a game against the Warriors and had better results than LeBron. Now I've got to say I did not watch the finals, I was busy out of the country, but Mozgov isn't the caliber of player who can change the outcome of a series. If I remember correctly though, in the games the Cavs did win, LeBron put up something like 39/16/13 and then 40/12/8 (rough numbers). In hindsight though, I don't think the Cavs had a shot either way.

You are underrating Mozgov. Mozgov put up 28 points on 66% TS in game 4 of the Finals. He should of been more involved in the offense for the entire series, this guy isn't a stiff.

[WayOfWade]

You are underrating Mozgov. Mozgov put up 28 points on 66% TS in game 4 of the Finals. He should of been more involved in the offense for the entire series, this guy isn't a stiff.
Perhaps I am underrating him, he is pretty solid, but would involving him that much more have changed the outcome of the series?

[dubeta]

Perhaps I am underrating him, he is pretty solid, but would involving him that much more have changed the outcome of the series?

Save your breath, your arguing with a homeless mexican troll

[WayOfWade]

I was following most of the series because I had time off and Mozgov was basically getting anything he wanted and getting the Warriors front line in trouble. I would've liked to have seen Cleveland play through him more instead of lebron taking horrible shots he can't make and on poor efficiency.

Yeah Lebron had monster numbers but he shot below 40% and made nobody better.

Warriors showed they were weak when defenses focused on Curry (eg Warriors series) and their bigs got into foul trouble. Cavs completed the former with Dellavadova but not the latter when they went away from Mozgov.
Do you really think Curry's poor shooting was because of the Cavs D or just because he was in a slump? I ask because I didn't watch the (finals) games but watching Curry now he seems nearly unstoppable

[masonanddixon]

You are underrating Mozgov. Mozgov put up 28 points on 66% TS in game 4 of the Finals. He should of been more involved in the offense for the entire series, this guy isn't a stiff.

Exactly. I was exaggerating with the 25 shots a game thing, but 16-20 shots a game wouldve been nice with the offense running through him. Plus he's an excellent finisher at the rim.

The other thing I hated about Lebron's performance was that he wasnt really attacking. I don't want a bad shooter like Lebron taking 23-25foot three pointers instead of my big man potentially getting guys like Green and Bogut in foul trouble.

That series had so much to do with Lebron's ego it's not even funny.

[warriorfan]

Perhaps I am underrating him, he is pretty solid, but would involving him that much more have changed the outcome of the series?

I'm not a fortune teller so I wouldn't be able to say but I think it couldn't of hurt to try other alternatives rather than LeBron chuck up 30+ shots a game on awful efficiency.

JR Smith and Shumpert are good shooters, the only problem is they were never able to get into a groove. If you check into a game and don't touch the ball for 5 minute stretches and then are asked to hit a spot up 3 it is very difficult. Proper ball movement helps your other players get into the rhythm of the game and makes them more productive. LeBron did the opposite of that and then people try to blame his teammates when really it was a causation of LeBron-Ball.

That is just my two cents on it.

[masonanddixon]

Do you really think Curry's poor shooting was because of the Cavs D or just because he was in a slump? I ask because I didn't watch the (finals) games but watching Curry now he seems nearly unstoppable

No he really was getting locked up by Dellavadova. Like consistently and in every single game. And there was that final shot where Dellavadova forced him into an airball and it was 100% man on man, no help whatsoever on that play.

The last two games GSW was doing literally EVERYTHING to get Dellavadova off him, multiple screens and switches etc, Curry was scoring but he took a shitload of shots so it was deceiving and he was getting garbage time buckets etc.

I don't understand why people don't give Dellavadova credit. It's clearly a race thing. But he was killing everyone in the previous series' so it obviously wasn't a fluke or just random occurrence in the Finals.

[warriorfan]

No he really was getting locked up by Dellavadova. Like consistently and in every single game. And there was that final shot where Dellavadova forced him into an airball and it was 100% man on man, no help whatsoever on that play.

The last two games GSW was doing literally EVERYTHING to get Dellavadova off him, multiple screens and switches etc, Curry was scoring but he took a shitload of shots so it was deceiving and he was getting garbage time buckets etc.

I don't understand why people don't give Dellavadova credit. It's clearly a race thing. But he was killing everyone in the previous series' so it obviously wasn't a fluke or just random occurrence in the Finals.

Dellavadova did a good job on Curry and had a gutsy performance but lets be real he was getting a lot of team help with the traps set on Curry as well.

[masonanddixon]

Dellavadova did a good job on Curry and had a gutsy performance but lets be real he was getting a lot of team help with the traps set on Curry as well.

That's true but he was seriously incredible on Curry. And you notice people didn't say anything when Tony Allen had like one good game on him but when Dellavadova consistently guards him well it becomes an uproar because a white player is holding down a black guy.

Curry has obviously improved this season and is on a different level and no one can come close to stopping him.

[WayOfWade]

Cool, thanks for the responses guys, have a good night! :cheers:

[3ball]

Curry has been on fire.

[3ball]

Let's be honest, did LeBron really have any other choice?



Lebron needs to shoot a percentage worthy of extra defensive attention to free up his teammates - his teammates can't be expected to get off when the other team is sticking to them like glue and letting Lebron be all alone on the strongside over and over with no double-teaming:


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Lebron was doubled-teamed a TOTAL of 18 times in the entire Finals..


"Curry’s ability to guard one-on-one allowed the Warriors’ wing defenders to double-team LeBron James effectively. When James was double-teamed, the Cavaliers scored 5 points on 2-of-18 shooting (11 percent)".

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/106718/iguodala-heads-all-playoff-defensive-team


By contrast, MJ was often doubled that much in a single QUARTER or half.. Here's a video of MJ against Atlanta - he's double-teamed 12 of 13 possessions, seen in rapid succession from 6:40 to the 8:40 of the video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLDGm8pV6uU&t=6m40s


This type of every-possession double-teaming was standard (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) for Jordan..

[warriorfan]

3ball

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