Your top 5 choke artist MVPS in the NBA finals.

[Real14]

My top 5 so far in no order are....

94- starks
11- Bron
14- bron
15- Bron
04- kobe

What's yours?

[Andrei89]

Obvious troll is obvious :lol

[feyki]

2007 Lebron
2011 Lebron
1956 Neill J.
2004 Kobe

[Proctor]

Ironically I have two touted as some of the more physically imposing players to ever play the game...

Lebron and Wilt

[Andrei89]

But let us take the bait

In 2014 Lebron averaged 28/7/4 with 2 steals on 57% shooting

In 2015 Lebron averaged 36/13/9 with 1.3 steals on 40% shooting

Now Lebrons fg% is very AI but he also missed his 2nd and 3rd option.

Those are some godly finals numbers.

When you troll, at least be good at it. :applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

Ironically I have two touted as some of the more physically imposing players to ever play the game...

Lebron and Wilt

why is that ironic? Do you understand the basic difference between choking/mental and physical?

[Real14]

But let us take the bait

In 2014 Lebron averaged 28/7/4 with 2 steals on 57% shooting

In 2015 Lebron averaged 36/13/9 with 1.3 steals on 40% shooting

Now Lebrons fg% is very AI but he also missed his 2nd and 3rd option.

Those are some godly finals numbers.

When you troll, at least be good at it. :applause:
I'm not trolling:biggums:. Who cares how many points Bron statpads during those years he still choked when it mattered most, no excuses.

[Real14]

2007 Lebron
2011 Lebron
1956 Neill J.
2004 Kobe
2007 Bron is definitely in my top 10. I gave 07 bron a little slack because of the circumstances and it was his first time with a less stacked team.

[LBJFTW]

Big bron fan here but when you CHOOSE who you are going to play with and form a super team only to choke in the finals, then you deserve to be labeled a loser. In 2011, 2014, and 2015, Bron choked.

[LAZERUSS]

Ironically I have two touted as some of the more physically imposing players to ever play the game...

Lebron and Wilt

First of all, if the topic is about "choking" in the Finals, in an MVP season,...well, Chamberlain was a MONSTER in his '67 post-season and Finals.

If it is about players who have won MVPs that "choked" in the Finals...hell, Bird in '81, and '85. KAJ in '84, '88, and '89 (as well as being crushed by Moses in '83.) You could make a case for Duncan in '13. Kobe in '04, and '08. Lebron in '07 and '11. And I'm sure there would be others.

[LBJFTW]

First of all, if the topic is about "choking" in the Finals, in an MVP season,...well, Chamberlain was a MONSTER in his '67 post-season and Finals.

If it is about players who have won MVPs that "choked" in the Finals...hell, Bird in '81, and '85. KAJ in '84, '88, and '89 (as well as being crushed by Moses in '83.) You could make a case for Duncan in '13. Kobe in '04, and '08. Lebron in '07 and '11. And I'm sure there would be others.

And yet MJ never lost a finals when he won MVP and was in the finals.
Go figure. :confusedshrug:

[DrakeTheSnake]

2013 Manu is easily top 5.

[ShaqTwizzle]

2004 Finals (over the 4 losses)
Kobe : 20-ppg on 42%TS + 3.75-apg / 3.50-tov

Kobe needed 86 shots + 20 free throws to score 80pts over those 4 games.

:yaohappy:

[LAZERUSS]

And yet MJ never lost a finals when he won MVP and was in the finals.
Go figure. :confusedshrug:

But was 0-6 against Bird in his post-season career, including a series in which he shot .417 from the field (and a 9-35 FG/FGA closeout game), and 1-3 against Dumars, which included QUITTING on his team in a pivotal game five of a series in which his team would lose in six games.

Of course, he won six titles with rosters that went 55-27 without him.

[Gus Hemmingway]

07 Lebron "choking" with the cast of

Boobie
Hughes
Bron
Marshall
Z

agreed, the Cavs were suppose to SWEEP prime Duncan, Ginobli, Parker that year:lol

What.... A....

C
H
O
K
E

[Hey Yo]

Big bron fan here but when you CHOOSE who you are going to play with and form a super team only to choke in the finals, then you deserve to be labeled a loser. In 2011, 2014, and 2015, Bron choked.


And yet MJ never lost a finals when he won MVP and was in the finals.
Go figure. :confusedshrug:

Straight Ballin.....why use an alt to post the above? It's nothing different than what you would say with the other account.

:confusedshrug:

[LBJFTW]

Straight Ballin.....why use an alt to post the above? It's nothing different than what you would say with the other account.

:confusedshrug:

That guy is a Jordan stan, I'm a big Lebron fan. You must have me mistaken for someone else. Weren't you also accusing me of being 3ball last month?

I guess that's what posters with multiple alts on ISH do. Accuse others of having alts to take attention away from them. :biggums:

[Gus Hemmingway]

Straight Ballin.....why use an alt to post the above? It's nothing different than what you would say with the other account.

:confusedshrug:
damn :lol :lol

[JohnMax]

1 Lebron James (2-4)
2 Wilt Chamberlain (2-4)
3 Jerry West (1-8)
4 Karl Malone (0-3)
5 Kevin Durant (0-1)

[Hey Yo]

That guy is a Jordan stan, I'm a big Lebron fan. You must have me mistaken for someone else. Weren't you also accusing me of being 3ball last month?

I guess that's what posters with multiple alts on ISH do. Accuse others of having alts to take attention away from them. :biggums:
Nope.....quite obvious both accounts are used by the same retard.

[SHAQisGOAT]

First of all, if the topic is about "choking" in the Finals, in an MVP season,...well, Chamberlain was a MONSTER in his '67 post-season and Finals.

If it is about players who have won MVPs that "choked" in the Finals...hell, Bird in '81, and '85. KAJ in '84, '88, and '89 (as well as being crushed by Moses in '83.) You could make a case for Duncan in '13. Kobe in '04, and '08. Lebron in '07 and '11. And I'm sure there would be others.

:biggums:

Bird was the one who CLOSED OUT (as in closer/clutch) the 1981 Finals with a 27/13/5/1/1 on 11-20 FG performance... He was the one who put Houston away in the final game6, scoring 9 of Boston's 11 points in the decisive late run; dude was clutch af:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoXOAs4Gz5A
Larry's shooting/scoring was very incosistent throughout the series (beasted in all-around play though), but he was overall clutch in those Finals, especially in games 1 and 6.


Kareem in 1984? :wtf:
Jabbar was LA's most clutch, best, most impactful player for the series (and the main reason they won in the following year)... If anything, Magic and Worthy were the ones choking... I mean, you bring up KAJ when Magic was pulling this type of shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ1bd2g3p1Y
Seriously, are you retarded? :rolleyes:


This fool gets more ridiculous by the day... You have no idea what you're talking about, tbh...
http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/snoop.png

I wouldn't even say that LeBron choked in 2007... He just played mostly like complete shit throughout, and the Cavs were clearly outmatched.

You shouldn't really be talking about choking and whatnot though, since your favorite player is Wilt http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/pachah1.png

[LBJFTW]

Nope.....quite obvious both accounts are used by the same retard.

Nope, but you are the guy who thinks that Shaq outplayed Kobe against the Spurs in 01 and 02. Only a moron would think that, so why should anyone believe anything that you have to say?

[Andrei89]

I'm not trolling:biggums:. Who cares how many points Bron statpads during those years he still choked when it mattered most, no excuses.


Lol you are so fking retarded :lol :lol

[24-Inch_Chrome]

2011 LeBron belongs somewhere on that list, 2007 Bron does not.

[Prime_Shaq]

LeBron
Karl Malone
Wilt

[rmt]

First of all, if the topic is about "choking" in the Finals, in an MVP season,...well, Chamberlain was a MONSTER in his '67 post-season and Finals.

If it is about players who have won MVPs that "choked" in the Finals...hell, Bird in '81, and '85. KAJ in '84, '88, and '89 (as well as being crushed by Moses in '83.) You could make a case for Duncan in '13. Kobe in '04, and '08. Lebron in '07 and '11. And I'm sure there would be others.

I don't see how a player who leads his team with:

Duncan 18.9 pts / 12.1 rebs / 1.4 blks 49%
Parker 15.7 pts / 6.4 asst 41.2%

in the series can be considered choking. And if you are referring to game 6 when he missed a little bunny, consider that that 36 year old had a 30 pt 17 rebs 62%FG game where he played 44:26 (just 1 minute less than the 21 year old Leonard) and maybe he was just darned TIRED at the end of the game.

[Sakkreth]

07 Lebron "choking" with the cast of

Boobie
Hughes
Bron
Marshall
Z

agreed, the Cavs were suppose to SWEEP prime Duncan, Ginobli, Parker that year:lol

What.... A....

C
H
O
K
E

Besides LeBron The only acceptable starter for a championship team on the cavs was Z. You can be goat and replacing one of the starters with a decent starter might still not have been enough vs 07 spurs. That Cavs roster was that bad.

[feyki]

I didn't judge Lebron for swept at 07 finals . His individual level terrible for his level at 07 finals. %43 TS and 5 TO . That was choking .

Bird was best perimeter defender , best rebounder , best playmaker , second best defender(after Parish) and best offensive player of the championship team. That wasn't even close to choking.

Bird was just bad at 85 finals. But that wasn't choking .

Kareem was best player of his team at 84 finals. And he was 39-40 years olds at 88 and 89 finals .

Those weren't even close to choking too .

[Mr. Jabbar]

11- Bron


shut it down

[Lebronxrings]

13-duncan
15-curry (only won cause of iggy)
all kobe years (6-24 and STILL won?)
11,13,14-wade
13,14-bosh

[WayOfWade]

13-duncan
15-curry (only won cause of iggy)
all kobe years (6-24 and STILL won?)
11,13,14-wade
13,14-bosh
:biggums:
None of the bolded belong there at all. Perhaps it's a personal preference, but unless you lose, you can't count it

[Segatti]

People saying Lebron choked in 2014 and 2015, Wade in 2011, Duncan in 2013, Durant in 2011... :lol :lol

Choking is nothing but a buzzword.

[Artillery]

I don't see how a player who leads his team with:

Duncan 18.9 pts / 12.1 rebs / 1.4 blks 49%
Parker 15.7 pts / 6.4 asst 41.2%

in the series can be considered choking. And if you are referring to game 6 when he missed a little bunny, consider that that 36 year old had a 30 pt 17 rebs 62%FG game where he played 44:26 (just 1 minute less than the 21 year old Leonard) and maybe he was just darned TIRED at the end of the game.

2013 is Tony Parker EASILY. Outplayed by Mario ****ing Chalmers in the two crucial closeout games. Tony Parker was the first option for the Spurs in the regular season and playoffs and ended up choking big time against the Heat needing Duncan, Danny Green, and Leonard to bail him out. Possibly the worst Finals series ever for a first option player.

[Gileraracer]

2015 Lebron. 39%FG, 20% from beyond 5ft :facepalm

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Do people not understand that in order to choke you have to either be favoured to win or in a position to win? Losing a game or a series doesn't automatically make a team or a player a choker. Sometimes players or teams lose to better players or teams, and there's no shame in that.


In sports, a "choke" is the failure of an athlete or an athletic team to win a game or tournament when the player or team had been strongly favored to win or had squandered a large lead in the late stages of the event.

Was Cleveland favoured in 2007? No. Not a choke.

Was Miami favoured in 2011? Yes. Choke.

Was Miami favoured in 2014? No, but the odds were close. Arguably a choke.

Was Cleveland favoured in 2015? No. Not a choke.

[r15mohd]

Do people not understand that in order to choke you have to either be favoured to win or in a position to win? Losing a game or a series doesn't automatically make a team or a player a choker. Sometimes players or teams lose to better players or teams, and there's no shame in that.



Was Cleveland favoured in 2007? No. Not a choke.

Was Miami favoured in 2011? Yes. Choke.

Was Miami favoured in 2014? No, but the odds were close. Arguably a choke.

Was Cleveland favoured in 2015? No. Not a choke.

are you really trying to present logic as a defense...lol, you know these trolls won't have or understand that :oldlol:

[Ai2death]

Steph '0 Votes' Curry - 2015 Finals

[ShaqTwizzle]

Was Cleveland favoured in 2007? No. Not a choke.


I disagree with that definition of what a choke is.

When you are considered a great player let alone a GOAT type player and you play terribly in a playoff series then you choked.

Doesn't matter if your team is badly outmatched or visa-versa.

Sure no one would blame Lebron for "losing" in the 07 Finals given the apparent mediocrity of his cast however that doesn't excuse the fact that individually he didn't show up and played like garbage.

Jordan was often in similar situations in the late 80's and also "lost" but he still put up great numbers and performed like a GOAT player.

So yes Lebron "choked" in the 07 Finals.
There is no way around that.

[feyki]

I disagree with that definition of what a choke is.

When you are considered a great player let alone a GOAT type player and you play terribly in a playoff series then you choked.

Doesn't matter if your team is badly outmatched or visa-versa.

Sure no one would blame Lebron for "losing" in the 07 Finals given the apparent mediocrity of his cast however that doesn't excuse the fact that individually he didn't show up and played like garbage.

Jordan was often in similar situations in the late 80's and also "lost" but he still put up great numbers and performed like a GOAT player.

So yes Lebron "choked" in the 07 Finals.
There is no way around that.

And if we are talking about individual situation , that must about individually .

[inclinerator]

2 big macs

and

a large diet coke please

[cltcfn2924]

First of all, if the topic is about "choking" in the Finals, in an MVP season,...well, Chamberlain was a MONSTER in his '67 post-season and Finals.

If it is about players who have won MVPs that "choked" in the Finals...hell, Bird in '81, and '85. KAJ in '84, '88, and '89 (as well as being crushed by Moses in '83.) You could make a case for Duncan in '13. Kobe in '04, and '08. Lebron in '07 and '11. And I'm sure there would be others.


'81 Bird, 15,15,7 is a choke? And they won?

[outbreak]

Carmelo.....oh wait you said MVP and NBA finals; 2 things Melo will never achieve.

[ArbitraryWater]

Do people not understand that in order to choke you have to either be favoured to win or in a position to win? Losing a game or a series doesn't automatically make a team or a player a choker. Sometimes players or teams lose to better players or teams, and there's no shame in that.



Was Cleveland favoured in 2007? No. Not a choke.

Was Miami favoured in 2011? Yes. Choke.

Was Miami favoured in 2014? No, but the odds were close. Arguably a choke.

Was Cleveland favoured in 2015? No. Not a choke.

you had me until this goodie

[dubeta]

:biggums:
None of the bolded belong there at all. Perhaps it's a personal preference, but unless you lose, you can't count it

Wade lost in 2011, as lebronxrings pointed out



So that was a choke, especially since Wade had HCA as well

[sd3035]

Lebron and Ilt take this pretty easily

[Megabox!]

Carmelo.....oh wait you said MVP and NBA finals; 2 things Melo will never achieve.
God damn

[GrapeApe]

Wade lost in 2011, as lebronxrings pointed out



So that was a choke, especially since Wade had HCA as well

Yet basically the entire basketball world accepts and agrees that Lebron is the one who choked. Keep trying to convince us the world is flat.

That was the only finals Lebron choked in though. Anyone saying 2007, 2014, or 2015 is either trolling, ignorant, or both.

[dubeta]

Yet basically the entire basketball world accepts and agrees that Lebron is the one who choked. Keep trying to convince us the world is flat.

That was the only finals Lebron choked in though. Anyone saying 2007, 2014, or 2015 is either trolling, ignorant, or both.

How was Wade in the 4th quarters of Games 2, 4, 5, and how was his Game 6 performance?

Give me your opinion

[ballinhun8]

How was Wade in the 4th quarters of Games 2, 4, 5, and how was his Game 6 performance?

Give me your opinion



The irony.


Be lucky you're off the ban bro. Try to make the board better. Don't flood it with the same crap.

[SouBeachTalents]

How was Wade in the 4th quarters of Games 2, 4, 5, and how was his Game 6 performance?

Give me your opinion

What was LeBron's ppg average in the 4th that series? And how many points did he score in Game 4?

[GrapeApe]

How was Wade in the 4th quarters of Games 2, 4, 5, and how was his Game 6 performance?

Give me your opinion

Better than Lebron. I'm not absolving Wade of all blame, never have, but it doesn't change the fact that Lebron was worse. If you want to say Wade choked too, fine, but it's an accepted fact that Lebron was the primary culprit.

[KungFuJoe]

I'm not going to say he's the biggest Finals choker ever, but Lebron just doesn't have that mental fortitude that the other "greats" had. He's just got godly talent and physical ability...but he's had some cringeworthy choke moments. The game where Allen bailed him out, it was like he was trying to lose. Horrible TOs and missed uncontested lay ups.

Then last year...he put up great stats, but he disappeared in the clutch and because he was hogging the ball so much, no one else on his team could step up since they were so used to standing around and watching him. He basically played right into Pop's hands.

And I don't think anyone needs to bring up '11. That would be like beating a dead horse.

[Smoke117]

John Starks over Ewing...right. Starks was never even a player who should have been a 2nd option at any point in his career. The only reason he was so prevalent in the Knicks offense is because they pretty much had no scorers. Ewing on the other hand? Laid a complete egg in the finals.

[AceManIII]

2011 LeBron is a given

1967-68 Wilt should be one as well (Didn't win MVP in '68 but still..)
-Won MVP
-Team went 62-20
-Team blew a 3-1 playoff lead against the Celtics
-Demanded a trade to the Lakers
-Went to the Finals with a stacked Lakers team following season
-Lost in one of the biggest upsets ever
-Teammate Jerry West won MVP in lost

1993 Barkley should get a mention