What do you think about women coaching and analyzing pro football?

[MMKM]

A lot has been made of Jen Welter being the first female coach on an NFL staff. In general when I see female football analysts on ESPN etc, I feel like women have no business talking about football because having never played it, how could they possibly understand it beyond a superficial, rudimentary understanding. But Welter seems like an extreme exception. She's played pro football in women's leagues, and has even played in male football leagues. I think that adds credibility.

But my question is, if you were a pro football player in the NFL, would you take a woman as seriously as a male coach? Even if she is as qualified as any of the male coaches, would she be as effective in terms of "buy in" from the players?

[Nick Young]

The ones on ESPN are retarded and say retarded things everytime they improv and go off the teleprompter. They also always kill the chemistry of the team by interjecting bad akward jokes that aren't funny, and everyone else has to laugh along with her to be polite.

That said, if the woman is a good analyst or a good coach, why not, let them have a chance if they've truly earned it on merit, just like you would with a dude.

[MMKM]

The ones on ESPN are retarded and say retarded things everytime they improv and go off the teleprompter. They also always kill the chemistry of the team by interjecting bad akward jokes that aren't funny, and everyone else has to laugh along with her to be polite.

That said, if the woman is a good analyst or a good coach, why not, let them have a chance if they've truly earned it on merit, just like you would with a dude.

Yeah, I'm just wondering if its even possible for a woman to get a fair shake, because even if you are a great coach, if everything you say just falls on deaf ears because no one takes a woman seriously, then you are kind of wasting your money hiring a female coach.....

Publicity stunt?

[Akrazotile]

A lot has been made of Jen Welter being the first female coach on an NFL staff. In general when I see female football analysts on ESPN etc, I feel like women have no business talking about football because having never played it, how could they possibly understand it beyond a superficial, rudimentary understanding.

Most women will suck as coaches, but it has nothing to do with playing the sport.

How many times have we seen ex pro players make HORRIBLE coaches and GM's? While guys who barely got off the bench in high school excel far more?

Understanding football has nothing to do with playing the game. Just like learning trigonometry doesn't require you to build pyramids.

There's going to be a lot of bias, because in general men comprise the "elite" category of most abilities. So people, unless they're trying super hard to be PC, will be naturally skeptical of women coaches. But, if they can actually prove themselves legitimately, I guess it doesn't much matter if they're a woman.

I personally wouldn't bother with all the hassle and attention that comes with hiring one, but if someone else wants to give it a try, whatever.

[Nanners]

A lot has been made of Jen Welter being the first female coach on an NFL staff. In general when I see female football analysts on ESPN etc, I feel like women have no business talking about football because having never played it, how could they possibly understand it beyond a superficial, rudimentary understanding. But Welter seems like an extreme exception. She's played pro football in women's leagues, and has even played in male football leagues. I think that adds credibility.

But my question is, if you were a pro football player in the NFL, would you take a woman as seriously as a male coach? Even if she is as qualified as any of the male coaches, would she be as effective in terms of "buy in" from the players?

this is true for lots of men as well.

mike tirico never played football and hes broadcasting the mnf game on my tv as i type this.

[MMKM]

Most women will suck as coaches, but it has nothing to do with playing the sport.

How many times have we seen ex pro players make HORRIBLE coaches and GM's? While guys who barely got off the bench in high school excel far more?

Understanding football has nothing to do with playing the game. Just like learning trigonometry doesn't require you to build pyramids.

There's going to be a lot of bias, because in general men comprise the "elite" category of most abilities. So people, unless they're trying super hard to be PC, will be naturally skeptical of women coaches. But, if they can actually prove themselves legitimately, I guess it doesn't much matter if they're a woman.

I personally wouldn't bother with all the hassle and attention that comes with hiring one, but if someone else wants to give it a try, whatever.

Yeah but the point is, they still played. They might not have been good, but they went through practice and learned by doing. I think there's a huge difference between learning by doing and learning by watching. Personally having played football, I think it would be impossible to understand the game if you've never actually put on a helmet. But that's just my opinion....that's why I'm asking.

[MMKM]

this is true for lots of men as well.

mike tirico never played football and hes broadcasting the mnf game on my tv as i type this.

This is a little different because Tirico is more like the moderator/general announcer and then the color commentators are the real experts. Usually it's the women doing color, and that just doesn't make any sense to me. There's no authenticity to it.

[Nanners]

This is a little different because Tirico is more like the moderator/general announcer and then the color commentators are the real experts. Usually it's the women doing color, and that just doesn't make any sense to me. There's no authenticity to it.

there are countless males involved in all levels of football analysis and media that have zero football playing experience.

bill simmons never played basketball

[MMKM]

there are countless males involved in all levels of football analysis and media that have zero football playing experience.

bill simmons never played basketball

That is a good example I must admit. But how about COACHING? Keep in mind that these are testosterone junkies who with 99% likelihood have never had a female coach in their lives. Do you think a female coach has a chance at even getting through to NFL players? If not, whether it's right or wrong, why would you hire one?

[Nanners]

i totally agree for coaching. coaches need to be able to manage the locker room and communicate effectively with their players, and i think this would be much harder for anybody without playing experience.

[ROCSteady]

Women actually know a good bit about football these days so I'd be ok with the creme de la creme doing it on the big stage.

Many dudes are dumb as shit and do it for a living. Even some guys who played are terrible at analyzing the game

[Nanners]

Many dudes are dumb as shit and do it for a living. Even some guys who played are terrible at analyzing the game

all of the worst analysts are ex-players, guys who are only analysts because they are sports legends, not because they actually have interesting things to say.

ray lewis for example had one of the highest football iqs of any player to ever play the game, but my god he makes a horrible analyst.

[NumberSix]

Will she also serve snacks and Gatorade?

[MMKM]

all of the worst analysts are ex-players, guys who are only analysts because they are sports legends, not because they actually have interesting things to say.

ray lewis for example had one of the highest football iqs of any player to ever play the game, but my god he makes a horrible analyst.

Well yeah you have to have both experience and some degree of intellect. For example in the NBA Steve Kerr was a great commentator, I personally feel like Reggie Miller is a great commentator.....I completely agree that you can hire the wrong ex pro as a commentator who will fail miserably, but on the same token how does someone who has zero experience in the field of work they are speaking about garner any credibility. Many would call that talking out of your ass.

[Akrazotile]

Will she also serve snacks and Gatorade?


Are you being racist?

[Nanners]

Well yeah you have to have both experience and some degree of intellect. For example in the NBA Steve Kerr was a great commentator, I personally feel like Reggie Miller is a great commentator.....I completely agree that you can hire the wrong ex pro as a commentator who will fail miserably, but on the same token how does someone who has zero experience in the field of work they are speaking about garner any credibility. Many would call that talking out of your ass.

i dont really follow your point here. you gain credibility by writing things that make sense, making insightful points and observations, etc. i doubt people tell bill simmons his book is just him talking out of his ass.

[ROCSteady]

all of the worst analysts are ex-players, guys who are only analysts because they are sports legends, not because they actually have interesting things to say.

ray lewis for example had one of the highest football iqs of any player to ever play the game, but my god he makes a horrible analyst.

I still have no idea how CBS lets Phil Simms call all their big games.

He is the doltiest dolt who ever dolted.

I Fcking HATE Phil Simms and he talks for 3 hours :facepalm

[Draz]

Women are only good for one thing and one thing only. House work and sex.

[tmacattack33]

Yeah but the point is, they still played. They might not have been good, but they went through practice and learned by doing. I think there's a huge difference between learning by doing and learning by watching. Personally having played football, I think it would be impossible to understand the game if you've never actually put on a helmet. But that's just my opinion....that's why I'm asking.

I think you overrate this a little bit.

Because even in the case of someone who did play football, they only played one position.

So, if a coach that was an ex-QB (Harbaugh for example) is talking to his defensive lineman, are they going to sit there and ignore his comments because he never played as a defensive lineman?

[MMKM]

I think you overrate this a little bit.

Because even in the case of someone who did play football, they only played one position.

So, if a coach that was an ex-QB (Harbaugh for example) is talking to his defensive lineman, are they going to sit there and ignore his comments because he never played as a defensive lineman?

No, they'll respect him because he went through the same battles they did and therefore he's part of the brotherhood. Kind of like how a soldier will respect other soldiers more who actually went to war with them, versus some college professor who talks about war from
What he read in a book. This may seem dramatic or like a gross exaggeration but having played college football I can assure you there is an "in the trenches" mentality and a brotherhood. I really can't believe a woman, in the players' eyes, is a credible expert.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Bring Back Lisa Guerrero to MNF. :banana: