Percentage of points scored while player is on floor

[3ball]

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........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997.... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
JORDAN 1998.... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)


PIPPEN 1997..... 24.7..... 22.2..... 24.6..... 25.6....... 25.1...... 26.4
PIPPEN 1998..... 24.1..... 19.7..... 21.9..... 15.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/937/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)....... 22.1...... 14.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/937/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)


LEBRON 2009.... 35.0..... 39.3..... 41.5..... 42.4
LEBRON 2010.... 34.6..... 44.4..... 32.6..... 40.3
LEBRON 2011.... 32.0..... 32.8..... 28.1..... 30.7...... 21.4...... 14.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
LEBRON 2012.... 34.2..... 33.8..... 34.5..... 34.9...... 30.0...... 33.3
LEBRON 2013.... 32.1..... 32.1..... 30.6..... 36.0...... 29.3...... 39.1
LEBRON 2014.... 33.1..... 38.2..... 35.3..... 32.1...... 39.6...... 29.5
LEBRON 2015.... 30.1..... 38.9..... 35.0..... 42.4...... 40.0...... 44.5
LEBRON 2016.... 33.3..... 41.2

CURRY 2015..... 29.9..... 36.2...... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
CURRY 2016..... 34.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/)..... 41.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)


CONCLUSIONS:

1) As you can see, Jordan scored the highest percentage of his team's points while he was on the floor BY FAR, including 45-50% of his team's 4th quarter points in playoffs and Finals.

2) Lebron and Curry's proportion of their team's points often DECLINED in the 4th quarter, while Jordan's always increased, and significantly.
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[MMKM]

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......................RS......RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997.... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4
JORDAN 1998.... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1


LEBRON 2009.... 35.0..... 39.3..... 41.5..... 42.4
LEBRON 2010.... 34.6..... 44.4..... 32.6..... 40.3
LEBRON 2011.... 32.0..... 32.8..... 28.1..... 30.7...... 21.4...... 14.8
LEBRON 2012.... 34.2..... 33.8..... 34.5..... 34.9...... 30.0...... 33.3
LEBRON 2013.... 32.1..... 32.1..... 30.6..... 36.0...... 29.3...... 39.1
LEBRON 2014.... 33.1..... 38.2..... 35.3..... 32.1...... 39.6...... 29.5
LEBRON 2015.... 30.1..... 38.9..... 35.0..... 42.4...... 40.0...... 44.5
LEBRON 2016.... 33.1..... 41.9

CURRY 2015..... 29.9..... 36.2...... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
CURRY 2016..... 36.7..... 43.6


CONCLUSIONS:

1) As you can see, Jordan scored BY FAR the highest percentage of his team's points while he was on the floor - he puts Curry and Lebron to shame.

2) Lebron and Curry's proportion of their team's points often DECLINED in the 4th quarter, while Jordan's always increased, and significantly.

3) In the 4th quarter of playoffs and Finals, Jordan scored HALF his team's points while he was on the floor


SOURCES: All stats from stats.nba.com... Example: here's the link to Curry's 4th quarter stats from 2016:

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4

So what?

[DaOldLion]

Currys numbers in 16 are better than 97 & 98 Jordan

[3ball]

So what?
CONCLUSIONS:


1) As you can see, Jordan scored BY FAR the highest percentage of his team's points while he was on the floor - he puts Curry and Lebron to shame.

2) Lebron and Curry's proportion of their team's points often DECLINED in the 4th quarter, while Jordan's always increased, and significantly.

3) In the 4th quarter of playoffs and Finals, Jordan scored HALF his team's points while he was on the floor, which is GOAT

[3ball]

Currys numbers in 16 are better than 97 & 98 Jordan



......................RS......RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997.... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4
JORDAN 1998.... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1
CURRY 2015..... 29.9..... 36.2...... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
CURRY 2016..... 36.7..... 43.6


As you can see, Curry won a championship in 2015 without having to do NEARLY as much as MJ did.

This season, his proportion of scoring nearly the same thru 25 games, except Currry gets 25% from transition and MJ only ato 7% from transition in 1997 and 1998.... And let's see if Curry can score half his team's 4th quarter points in the playoffs like MJ while winning a championship like MJ did.

Btw, MJ played more minutes at the same proportion, so his overall percentage of team points was higher - he scored 30% of his team's points for all his 6 rings, whereas Curry is only scoring 27% of his team's total points this season.
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[Kvnzhangyay]

Post the other quarters

[G0ATbe]

Curry > Jordan.

[MMKM]

CONCLUSIONS:


1) As you can see, Jordan scored BY FAR the highest percentage of his team's points while he was on the floor - he puts Curry and Lebron to shame.

2) Lebron and Curry's proportion of their team's points often DECLINED in the 4th quarter, while Jordan's always increased, and significantly.

3) In the 4th quarter of playoffs and Finals, Jordan scored HALF his team's points while he was on the floor, which is GOAT

What if one player scores half of his teams Q4 points and his team scores 20, while another player only scores 1/4 of the Q4 points and the team scores 40?

Hence my original question; so what?

[3ball]

What if one player scores half of his teams Q4 points and his team scores 20, while another player only scores 1/4 of the Q4 points and the team scores 40?

Hence my original question; so what?



Forget "what if"... We don't need to make stuff up - MJ won 2 championships so we know what happened.

He won 2 championships in 1997 and 1998 while scoring 50% of his team's 4th quarter points while he was on the floor, compared to 40.9% for Curry in 2015 Finals, or 14% for Lebron in 2011 Finals.

The data is pretty clear.

[Bay Area Baller]

OP is right Jordan was a ball hog.

[tmacattack33]

1. This a purely volume based stat...how do we know if MJ wasn't just chucking up shots? Please post FG%/eFG% so we know what's up. Sixers Iverson probably had stats like this...but his FG% probably made it not so impressive.



2. Lebron is an elite passer and Curry is a very good passer...this stat would penalize them for using their amazing passing skills.

Please also post the same stats for assists.

[3ball]

This a purely volume based stat...how do we know if MJ wasn't just chucking up shots?



Jordan did more at the same efficiency - he had higher volume while maintaining the same efficiency as the other scorers.

If Kobe, Curry or Lebron could shoot a higher volume at the same efficiency - they would... But they can't - only Jordan is capable of maintaining the same efficiency at very high volume.


Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:.... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
CURRY:... 32.6 pts.. 0.9 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 9.1 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 0.2 blk.. 34.8 fga.. 115 ORtg.. 59.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts


If you look at the #2 and #6 guys are between 32-36 points, you'd think the #1 guy would be at 37 or 38... But MJ is a 43.3, all alone, far above the pack.
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[Bankaii]

What an arbitrary stat with no context whatsoever.

Lebron is by far the best passer in the group, and Curry also isn't as selfish as Jordan.

Post eFG%, assists, and FGA cause I'm more than sure Jordan's chucking accounts for the difference in volume scoring.

[Donkey4trading]

link to the stats?

[3ball]

I'm more than sure Jordan's chucking accounts for the difference in volume scoring.


That's ludicrous, since Jordan was more efficient than Lebron and others... Jordan did more at the same efficiency - he had higher volume while maintaining the same efficiency as the other scorers.

If Kobe, Curry or Lebron could shoot a higher volume at the same efficiency - they would... But they can't - only Jordan is capable of maintaining the same efficiency at very high volume.


Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:.... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
CURRY:... 32.6 pts.. 0.9 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 9.1 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 0.2 blk.. 34.8 fga.. 115 ORtg.. 59.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts


If you look at the #2 and #6 guys are between 32-36 points, you'd think the #1 guy would be at 37 or 38... But MJ is a 43.3, all alone, far above the pack - while still maintaining equal or better efficiency.

[dubeta]

That's ludicrous, since Jordan was more efficient than Lebron and others... Jordan did more at the same efficiency - he had higher volume while maintaining the same efficiency as the other scorers.

If Kobe, Curry or Lebron could shoot a higher volume at the same efficiency - they would... But they can't - only Jordan is capable of maintaining the same efficiency at very high volume.


Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:.... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
CURRY:... 32.6 pts.. 0.9 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 9.1 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 0.2 blk.. 34.8 fga.. 115 ORtg.. 59.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts


If you look at the #2 and #6 guys are between 32-36 points, you'd think the #1 guy would be at 37 or 38... But MJ is a 43.3, all alone, far above the pack - while still maintaining equal or better efficiency.


Why does Jordan only get 66% to 70% of LeBrons rebounds and assists?

[MMKM]

OP is right Jordan was a ball hog.

:oldlol:

[3ball]

Curry > Jordan.



......................RS......RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997.... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4
JORDAN 1998.... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1
CURRY 2015..... 29.9..... 36.2...... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
CURRY 2016..... 36.7..... 43.6


As you can see, Curry won a championship in 2015 without having to do NEARLY as much as MJ did.

This season, his proportion of scoring is nearly the same as MJ's thru 25 games, except Currry gets 25% from transition and MJ only got 7% from transition.... Also, let's see if Curry can score half his team's 4th quarter points in the playoffs while winning a championship like MJ did..

Also, MJ had many stretches that were superior to Curry's across the board, including this one from 1991:


Jordan 1991 (25 games) (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1991/#440-464-sum:pgl_basic): 32.6 ppg.. 6.4 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.4 tov.. 2.7 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 56.7 fg.. 62.6 ts.. 130 ortg
Curry. 2016 (25 games): 32.5 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 3.7 tov.. 2.2 spg.. 0.1 bpg.. 51.7 fg.. 68.8 ts.. 125 ortg


MJ had many more superior stretches, such as his first 20 games of the Finals, where he averaged 36/7/7 on 51%, while garnering 3 fmvps and a 3-0 lead towards his 4th fmvp... He also averaged 35/7/7 on 50% in 1986-1993 playoffs (107 games).

[dhsilv]

So what?

He's posting about how MJ is a ball hog and was bad for his team.

[3ball]

He's posting about how MJ is a ball hog and was bad for his team


Nah, just showing how MJ carried the biggest load of all time.





He's posting about how MJ is a ball hog and was bad for his team.


Oh, and that's ludicrous, since Jordan was more efficient than Lebron and others... Jordan did more at the same efficiency - he had higher volume while maintaining the same efficiency as the other scorers.

If Kobe, Curry or Lebron could shoot a higher volume at the same efficiency - they would... But they can't - only Jordan is capable of maintaining the same efficiency at very high volume.


Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:.... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
CURRY:... 32.6 pts.. 0.9 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 9.1 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 0.2 blk.. 34.8 fga.. 115 ORtg.. 59.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts


If you look at the #2 and #6 guys are between 32-36 points, you'd think the #1 guy would be at 37 or 38... But MJ is a 43.3, all alone, far above the pack - while still maintaining equal or better efficiency.

[aj1987]

CONCLUSIONS:


1) As you can see, Jordan scored BY FAR the highest percentage of his team's points while he was on the floor - he puts Curry and Lebron to shame.

2) Lebron and Curry's proportion of their team's points often DECLINED in the 4th quarter, while Jordan's always increased, and significantly.

3) In the 4th quarter of playoffs and Finals, Jordan scored HALF his team's points while he was on the floor, which is GOAT
Am I reading your OP wrong or are you just being your usual retarded self?

Decrease in points for LeBron in the RS happened once in '12, once in the PO's in 14, and twice in the Finals in '11 and '14. There were a bunch of blowouts in the EC PO's and Finals in '14. That would explain the decline in production. '11 was obviously a choke.

Curry's numbers NEVER dropped from what I can see.

Where did you get "Lebron and Curry's proportion of their team's points often DECLINED in the 4th quarter" from?

[3ball]

......................RS......RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997.... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4
JORDAN 1998.... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1


LEBRON 2009.... 35.0..... 39.3..... 41.5..... 42.4
LEBRON 2010.... 34.6..... 44.4..... 32.6..... 40.3
LEBRON 2011.... 32.0..... 32.8..... 28.1..... 30.7...... 21.4...... 14.8
LEBRON 2012.... 34.2..... 33.8..... 34.5..... 34.9...... 30.0...... 33.3
LEBRON 2013.... 32.1..... 32.1..... 30.6..... 36.0...... 29.3...... 39.1
LEBRON 2014.... 33.1..... 38.2..... 35.3..... 32.1...... 39.6...... 29.5
LEBRON 2015.... 30.1..... 38.9..... 35.0..... 42.4...... 40.0...... 44.5
LEBRON 2016.... 33.1..... 41.9

CURRY 2015..... 29.9..... 36.2...... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
CURRY 2016..... 36.7..... 43.6




A decrease in points for LeBron happened in:

- once in '12 reg season
- once in the PO's in 14
- twice in the Finals in '11 and '14.


^^^^ That's a super-ton dude, whereas it NEVER happened for Jordan.. Your excuses sound childishly delusional: "b-but it only happened 4 times for Lebron!!!".... :rolleyes:

Everyone knows Lebron isn't good in the clutch and the data supports it.

Not only does Lebron's production often decline in the 4th quarter, but his proportion of team points was much lower than Jordan's to BEGIN with.. In the playoffs and Finals, Jordan scored HALF his team's 4th quarter points - Lebron is normally around 30%, and he's been as low as 14%.

[DrakeTheSnake]

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......................RS......RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997.... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4
JORDAN 1998.... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1


LEBRON 2009.... 35.0..... 39.3..... 41.5..... 42.4
LEBRON 2010.... 34.6..... 44.4..... 32.6..... 40.3
LEBRON 2011.... 32.0..... 32.8..... 28.1..... 30.7...... 21.4...... 14.8
LEBRON 2012.... 34.2..... 33.8..... 34.5..... 34.9...... 30.0...... 33.3
LEBRON 2013.... 32.1..... 32.1..... 30.6..... 36.0...... 29.3...... 39.1
LEBRON 2014.... 33.1..... 38.2..... 35.3..... 32.1...... 39.6...... 29.5
LEBRON 2015.... 30.1..... 38.9..... 35.0..... 42.4...... 40.0...... 44.5
LEBRON 2016.... 33.1..... 41.9

CURRY 2015..... 29.9..... 36.2...... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
CURRY 2016..... 36.7..... 43.6


CONCLUSIONS:

1) As you can see, Jordan scored BY FAR the highest percentage of his team's points while he was on the floor - he puts Curry and Lebron to shame.

2) Lebron and Curry's proportion of their team's points often DECLINED in the 4th quarter, while Jordan's always increased, and significantly.

3) In the 4th quarter of playoffs and Finals, Jordan scored HALF his team's points while he was on the floor


SOURCES: All stats from stats.nba.com... Example: here's the link to Curry's 4th quarter stats from 2016:

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4

But what are the percentages of points plus points the player assisted on?

[3ball]

But what are the percentages of points plus points the player assisted on?



Here's the years Lebron won the championship:


...............................................Poi nts......... Assists

Lebron 2012 playoffs 4th Qtr ....... 34.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)............ 28.8
Lebron 2013 playoffs 4th Qtr.........36.0............ 39.2

Jordan 1997 playoffs 4th Qtr........ 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)............ 38.2
Jordan 1998 playoffs 4th Qtr........ 48.8............ 27.7


Jordan is much >>>>>>

[Dr Hawk]

Conclusion: The better player performed better

[Straight_Ballin]

Solid post 3ball. This proves that when Jordan was on the floor, he had a bigger offensive impact interms of scoring the ball.

We could put his defensive impact as well, but then Lebron and Curry fans wouldn't be able to sleep for days....

[DrakeTheSnake]

Here's the years Lebron won the championship:


...............................................Poi nts......... Assists

Lebron 2012 playoffs 4th Qtr ....... 34.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)............ 28.8
Lebron 2013 playoffs 4th Qtr.........36.0............ 39.2

Jordan 1997 playoffs 4th Qtr........ 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)............ 38.2
Jordan 1998 playoffs 4th Qtr........ 48.8............ 27.7


Jordan is much >>>>>>
What about Curry? How does this season compare with Jordan's?

[aj1987]

I'm a delusional ****** who jacks off to MJ.
Yep.


Not only does Lebron's production often decline in the 4th quarter, but his proportion of team points was much lower than Jordan's to BEGIN with.. In the playoffs and Finals, Jordan scored HALF his team's 4th quarter points - Lebron is normally around 30%, and he's been as low as 14%.
Hey dumb****, care to provide stats for the remainder of MJ's years?

Again, '14 PO's and Finals were basically blowouts and LeBron didn't even play much in some of the 4th Q's. '11 was a legitimate choke job. '12, he was playing only 7.5 minutes a game in the 4th. It really doesn't work like that, when LeBron is playing fewer minutes in the 4th because his teams are winning before than.

You still haven't shown me how Curry "often declined".


Everyone knows Lebron isn't good in the clutch and the data supports it.

Actually, LeBron has been one of the best clutch players since the '05 season, IIRC. Better than Kobe. There's a ton of data to prove it as well.

[Hey Yo]

Nah, just showing how MJ carried the biggest load of all time
MJ led his team in MP, Points, rebounds and assists in 4 straight Finals appearances?


edit: Since MJ wasn't mentally tough enough to play for a 4th consecutive Finals appearance, we have to use 3 straight.

[3ball]

What about Curry? How does this season compare with Jordan's?



......................RS......RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997.... 36.0..... 40.1..... 37.7..... 46.3...... 40.9...... 50.4
JORDAN 1998.... 36.3..... 42.1..... 39.7..... 48.8...... 43.6...... 49.1
CURRY 2015..... 29.9..... 36.2...... 33.4..... 36.6...... 29.3...... 40.6
CURRY 2016..... 36.7..... 43.6


As you can see, Curry won a championship in 2015 without having to do NEARLY as much as MJ did.

This season, his proportion of scoring is nearly the same as MJ's thru 25 games, except Currry gets 25% from transition and MJ only got 7% from transition.... Also, let's see if Curry can score half his team's 4th quarter points in the playoffs while winning a championship like MJ did..

Also, MJ had many stretches that were superior to Curry's across the board, including this one from 1991:


Jordan 1991 (25 games) (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1991/#440-464-sum:pgl_basic): 32.6 ppg.. 6.4 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.4 tov.. 2.7 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 56.7 fg.. 62.6 ts.. 130 ortg
Curry. 2016 (25 games): 32.5 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 3.7 tov.. 2.2 spg.. 0.1 bpg.. 51.7 fg.. 68.8 ts.. 125 ortg


MJ had many more superior stretches, such as his first 20 games of the Finals, where he averaged 36/7/7 on 51%, while garnering 3 fmvps and a 3-0 lead towards his 4th fmvp... He also averaged 35/7/7 on 50% in 1986-1993 playoffs (107 games).

[3ball]

MJ led his team in MP, Points, rebounds and assists in 4 straight Finals appearances?


Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts


Their assists are the same when you consider turnovers.

I prefer Jordan's 20% higher scoring, greater efficiency and steals over Lebron's 3 defensive rebounds... :confusedshrug:

And lets not forget the OP stats, which shows Jordan did far more in the 4th quarter - he scored 50% of his team's 4th quarter points in playoffs and Finals, compared to only 30% for Lebron.

[IllegalD]

You have to be at least in your 40s, probably in your 50s. And you spend all your time posting on a message board run over by 15-20 year old Curry/LeBron Stans violently defending Jordan.

#LifeGoals :lol

[diamenz]

you've convinced me through insecurity 3ball, curry > jordan.

[3ball]

you've convinced me through insecurity 3ball, curry > jordan.
MJ had many 25-game stretches that were superior to Curry's across the board, including this one from 1991:


Jordan 1991 (25 games) (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog/1991/#440-464-sum:pgl_basic): 32.6 ppg.. 6.4 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.4 tov.. 2.7 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 56.7 fg.. 62.6 ts.. 130 ortg
Curry. 2016 (25 games): 32.5 ppg.. 5.3 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 3.7 tov.. 2.2 spg.. 0.1 bpg.. 51.7 fg.. 68.8 ts.. 125 ortg


MJ had many more superior stretches, such as his first 20 games of the Finals, where he averaged 36/7/7 on 51%, while garnering 3 fmvps and a 3-0 lead towards his 4th fmvp... He also averaged 35/7/7 on 50% in 1986-1993 playoffs (107 games).


Of course, MJ was a two-way player - according to Popovich, he's the standard for 2-way play:


"He (Kawhi) has the ability to do what a Michael Jordan did at both ends, and I don’t mean he’s Michael Jordan,” Popovich said. “But you think about the best players in the league, they’re not two-way players. He wants to do that.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/spurs/2015/11/11/kawhi-leonard-gregg-popovich-spurs-charles-barkley-michael-jordan/75612616/


CLIFFS: if you gave Stephan Curry better offense, and then gave him superior athleticism to Kawhi Leonard - you'd have MJ.