CNN GOP Debate Thread

[MMKM]

Appreciate, mock, whatever. Should be fun. 3pm today!

[MMKM]

Undercard. I like Rowdy Rick Santorum. Seems less rowdy this time around tho. Next to trump he seems pretty tame

[Nick Young]

Everyone here is shit.


Where is based Webb?

Jim Webb was our only hope and his own party disowned him-because he was too much of a badass for them:facepalm


Save us Based Webb, you're our only hope.

[Trollsmasher]

pataki already calls Trump "president"

Donald's got this in the bag

cant con the don

cant stump the trump

[MMKM]

Graham dominating the undercard

[Trollsmasher]

Graham dominating the undercard
like always

too bad it's like dominating the special school

[MMKM]

like always

too bad it's like dominating the special school

MVP of the d league

[Nick Young]

Graham and that other war guy saying "F*ck medical marijuana, we'll send these kids to the middle east to fight ISIS" **** that, these guys are insane. So far, every democrat and republican candidate is shit. Maybe Hilldawg really is the best option, if Webb has no chance.:facepalm

[Nick Young]

MVP of the d league
Yeah, Graham is definitely the Morris Almond here.

[MMKM]

Graham and that other war guy saying "F*ck medical marijuana, we'll send these kids to the middle east to fight ISIS" **** that, these guys are insane. So far, every democrat and republican candidate is shit. Maybe Hilldawg really is the best option, if Webb has no chance.:facepalm

If Hillary wins I'm moving to Ireland

[knickballer]

As much democrats can suck these republicans are bigger idiots with their viewpoints unchanged from the 70's. N1ggas are still talking about the Ayatollah :facepalm

We all lose bruh. I guess we all should stfu and enjoy our NFL, iphones, steaks, oversized cars and what not.

[Akrazotile]

It's all one big clown show.

Republican candidates trying to appeal to simple, ornery, ignorant people.

Democrat candidates trying to appeal to 'hip', effeminate, pretentious sheep.


Nobody just speaking the real intellectual truth. No market for that shit with the public.

[Cactus-Sack]

"I love George Bush" -Lindsay Graham


You guys are insane if you think Graham has ever made any sense. He never has and that is why he is polling at 0% in Iowa, NH and nationally

[Smook B]

"I will bomb Russian planes" yeah right. :rolleyes:

[Nick Young]

It's all one big clown show.

Republican candidates trying to appeal to simple, ornery, ignorant people.

Democrat candidates trying to appeal to 'hip', effeminate, pretentious sheep.


Nobody just speaking the real intellectual truth. No market for that shit with the public.
This man was Jim Webb-perfectly in the middle, so repubs and dems can't handle it.

[knickballer]

Rand Paul going after Trump and Rubio from the get go! Rand Paul is the president America needs but not what it deserves.

[BasedTom]

I stand with Rand.

[DonDadda59]

These are some melodramatic muhphuckas out there.

[fiddy]

I stand with Rand.
:applause:

[DonDadda59]

Jeb getting it in. Trump turning into a meek mute as usual when he's not in front of his yokel crowd.

[BasedTom]

I thought rubio started off weak in the opening statement, but that was pretty good right there

[Giaodollo]

IM in awe every time Rubio talks. Not only does he say the truth but, also such a good speaker.

[Patrick Chewing]

IM in awe every time Rubio talks. Not only does he say the truth but, also such a good speaker.


He's the Cuban Obama. He's a great orator, but will he make a great President? Clearly, Obama failed us as President.


We need an all Cuban ticket. Cruz/Rubio or Rubio/Cruz

Anyone who does not like these two Cubans is just a bigot against them and against me. Shameful.

[DonDadda59]

Gotdamn, Rand just got in Ricky Rubio's ass. Had him doing the stupid face as the camera zoomed in on him.

[BasedTom]

that ****ing crowd reaction

rand killing it

[Giaodollo]

Gotdamn, Rand just got in Ricky Rubio's ass. Had him doing the stupid face as the camera zoomed in on him.
Rubio came back good

[BasedTom]

carson reminds me of an elementary school teacher

[Giaodollo]

carson reminds me of an elementary school teacher
He is more dull.

[qrich]

That feeling when Rand Paul is shitting on the debate

[DonDadda59]

Thank you Jeb, someone had to say it.

[MMKM]

Trump defending his stance on killing terrorists families: "we need toughness.":biggums:

:applause:

[DonDadda59]

Trump getting laid out by Jeb. Bloodbath.

Toughness doe.

[Nick Young]

they all are shit, only a few are better than Hilldog.


HELL YEH CONSTITUTION:rockon:

[Godzuki]

even tho carson has down syndrome, i respect how he stuck to killing innocents to get rid of the tumor :applause:

[Jameerthefear]

watching old people try to talk about "shutting down the internet" is hilarious tbh

[KevinNYC]

idiots with their viewpoints unchanged from the 70's. N1ggas are still talking about the Ayatollah :facepalm

http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/december032015/putin-khameni350.jpg

They are talking about the Ayatollah talking to Putin not the guy who's picture is on the wall.

[MMKM]

This is the ultimate middle school election. The popular bully promises the best of everything, makes outrageous statements and makes fun of the competition, and he's winning.:lol

[MMKM]

even tho carson has down syndrome, i respect how he stuck to killing innocents to get rid of the tumor :applause:

:biggums: Carson is the most intelligent person on that stage

[zoom17]

Trump is so insecure. :lol

[KevinNYC]

Anyone who does not like these two Cubans is just a bigot against them and against me. Shameful.What if we don't like them because of you?

[Jameerthefear]

Rubio is a very strong speaker

[Jameerthefear]

:biggums: Carson is the most intelligent person on that stage
Medically, yes. Politically, no.

[Godzuki]

This is the ultimate middle school election. The popular bully promises the best of everything, makes outrageous statements and makes fun of the competition, and he's winning.:lol

or maybe the competition/obama is fukkin awful at foreign policy :coleman:

[Nick Young]

This is the ultimate middle school election. The popular bully promises the best of everything, makes outrageous statements and makes fun of the competition, and he's winning.:lol
That's how politics has always worked.


Holy shit Carly is like a shittier version of Hillary.


You guys are all familiar with her epic failure as CEO of HP right? She was an ego tripping nutcase over there.

Playing the woman card too, holy shit this is bad.


I think Christie is decent but he's a fat f*ck, could die of a heart attack at any moment.

[MMKM]

Medically, yes. Politically, no.

That's not intelligence that's knowledge. No one on that stage has done anything that requires 1/10 the intelligence it takes to be a top ranked neurosurgeon

[Nick Young]

Carson has zero charisma, dude has no chance.

[Patrick Chewing]

What if we don't like them because of you?


Bigot!

[Cactus-Sack]

Trump getting his shit pushed in again. He's been destroyed in every debate so far

[Godzuki]

:biggums: Carson is the most intelligent person on that stage

he has zero charisma :coleman:

[dude77]

trump taking on the audience .. the man's a savage

[MMKM]

Trump getting his shit pushed in again. He's been destroyed in every debate so far

But does it matter?

Trump = the new Arnold (even Arnold sounded smarter...)

[KevinNYC]

Bigot!
You mean all Cubans are not like you?

[DonDadda59]

Trump getting his shit pushed in again. He's been destroyed in every debate so far

Trump = Ric Flair. Good showman in front of a crowd, but not at all serious. The man is a buffoon.

The fact that he's been in the lead so long just shows how far gone the GOP is.

[Godzuki]

That's not intelligence that's knowledge. No one on that stage has done anything that requires 1/10 the intelligence it takes to be a top ranked neurosurgeon


being a neurosurgeon doesnt mean shit for leadership. GTFO here :biggums:

[Giaodollo]

Trump = Ric Flair. Good showmen in front of a crowd, but not at all serious. The man is a buffoon.

The fact that he's been in the lead so long just shows how far gone the GOP is.

I don't think he really stands a chance, I saw there was like a 17-18 percent point spread but it will quickly fade. He isn't doing himself a favor in these debates.

Rubio is my favorite but I'd say him, Cruz or Bush, maybe Christie with an outside chance.

[GIF REACTION]

has anyone got a stream

[MMKM]

being a neurosurgeon doesnt mean shit for leadership. GTFO here :biggums:

:biggums: :biggums:

What is your deal? We weren't talking about leadership you said he had Down syndrome. This was strictly about intelligence not who would be the best president. ???

[Jameerthefear]

has anyone got a stream
live on CNN.com

[Patrick Chewing]

You mean all Cubans are not like you?


If it's Hillary and some old guy versus the Cuban Connection, I dare someone to say something bad about the Cubans. If Obama haters are racist, then Cuban haters are just the same. If a Cuban wins the White House, I don't think a White guy wins the White House again.


http://1f0hrf3k9u4d4eiecjguy0r1bn5.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Rubio-cruz.png

[Giaodollo]

has anyone got a stream
streamed free on Cnn.com.

[Godzuki]

Trump = Ric Flair. Good showman in front of a crowd, but not at all serious. The man is a buffoon.

The fact that he's been in the lead so long just shows how far gone the GOP is.

trump is successful because he says straight up politically incorrect shit everybody else is afraid to say. obama is the epitome of useless PC leadership. he's so bad its laughable he has any support at this point :facepalm

[DonDadda59]

trump is successful because he says straight up politically incorrect shit everybody else is afraid to say. obama is the epitome of useless PC leadership. he's so bad its laughable he has any support at this point :facepalm

Toughness will solve the World's issues. No more PC. MAC. :applause:

[Godzuki]

:biggums: :biggums:

What is your deal? We weren't talking about leadership you said he had Down syndrome. This was strictly about intelligence not who would be the best president. ???

the way he talks ie his charisma, is down syndrome. he does not inspire which accounts for 3/4's of leadership :coleman:

[BasedTom]

trump carson bromance strong

[dude77]

trump came off strong there .. laying truth bombs .. bush is irrelevant .. I don't even know why he's up there .. no one's electing another bush

[KevinNYC]

The part in Trump's hair starts at his eyebrows.

[Patrick Chewing]

Hillary Clinton is an idiot. Not one Republican candidate has said that the country is at war with a religion, and here she goes....


Hillary Clinton
✔
@HillaryClinton

We're not at war with a religion. We're at war with radical jihadism. Hillary knows the difference. #GOPdebate


Her assistants have to be some of the dumbest people assembled, or they are literally sabotaging her campaign by making her look this stupid.

[Godzuki]

Toughness will solve the World's issues. No more PC. MAC. :applause:

yep because making believe we're all the same with zero profiling is so honest and realistic to the country's issues :facepalm

[BasedTom]

rand gonna get panties thrown at him by the end of the night

[Cactus-Sack]

Aaaaand Cruz just undid all that good work

[MMKM]

the way he talks ie his charisma, is down syndrome. he does not inspire which accounts for 3/4's of leadership :coleman:

I would agree, but I've never heard someone associate a "lack of charisma" with Down syndrome. But whatevs.

[DonDadda59]

yep because making believe we're all the same with zero profiling is so honest and realistic to the country's issues :facepalm

Get dem Muzzies and Mexicans outta here. The Great Wall of America is coming. :pimp:

Even his own party mates know this man is a clown.

[Nick Young]

Hillary Clinton is an idiot. Not one Republican candidate has said that the country is at war with a religion, and here she goes....




Her assistants have to be some of the dumbest people assembled, or they are literally sabotaging her campaign by making her look this stupid.
The common person relates to stupid.

[BasedTom]

Hillary Clinton is an idiot. Not one Republican candidate has said that the country is at war with a religion, and here she goes....




Her assistants have to be some of the dumbest people assembled, or they are literally sabotaging her campaign by making her look this stupid.
they specifically went out of their way to hammer home that message....idk I guess she's banking that her followers aren't watching this anyway or are going in with their attitude firmly set

[Godzuki]

rand gonna get panties thrown at him by the end of the night

his privacy advocation while pretending to give law enforcement the tools to apprehend terrorists is his hypocrisy. he is the worst candidate for world affairs, best for sheltered libertarians,

[Giaodollo]

Carky fiorina is actually trying to create a war against Russia. She's so ****ing stupid.

[Cactus-Sack]

That bridge line... :roll:

[GIF REACTION]

Trump and Carson

https://michaelpiff.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/pred-biceps.gif

[DonDadda59]

Rand Paul is easily the best candidate on that stage.

Chris Christie's fake Tony Soprano act is ridiculous. Guess he wants to shed that RINO tag he got after sucking Barry O's d*ck after Hurricane Sandy.

[Jameerthefear]

i don't get the bridge thing :(
harry help

[Giaodollo]

i don't get the bridge thing :(
harry help
read about bridgegate:oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

Hillary Clinton is an idiot. Not one Republican candidate has said that the country is at war with a religion, and here she goes....




Her assistants have to be some of the dumbest people assembled, or they are literally sabotaging her campaign by making her look this stupid.


It's still amazing how pretentiously the left absolutely LOVES to taunt Christian Americans... but freaks the **** out if anyone raises an eyebrow at Muslims.

It's truly incredible. On this very board we see it all the time. People so desperate to go against the GOP, that they're literally clinging to terrorists and jihadists in mutual support.

Muslims do not give a FUKK about liberal Americans. They fukking hate them. And liberals are so desperate to look like 'the good guys' that they stand up proudly for Muslim radicals and condemn anyone else for daring to be so bigoted as to mock the religion of peace. And then they all have a good laugh about jesus and dinosaurs.

Complete sheep.

[DonDadda59]

Damn Trump is soft as baby shit. Overly sensitive bitch. :roll:

[Cactus-Sack]

Trump crying about the media again. This is the end, it's over folks

[Jameerthefear]

:roll: :roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Trump murdered Jeb there. Jeb is done.

[GIF REACTION]

RIP

[Nick Young]

lol Based Trump.


Carly is the most dangerous out of all these people. She's hungry for war and sociopathic enough to not care about killing millions.


RIP Jeb

[Godzuki]

Damn Trump is soft as baby shit. Overly sensitive bitch. :roll:

thats his kryptonite. he can dish it but cant take the hits :coleman:

[Cactus-Sack]

i don't get the bridge thing :(
harry help
Get a warrant you fat fvck (http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjc2cTutd_JAhUDx6YKHUCMCTgQFggbMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFort_L ee_lane_closure_scandal&usg=AFQjCNFyD56vax716WaODQe6iNt7gIow8w)

[dude77]

jebby trying and trying and trying .. he's totally outmatched .. it's not about what you say jebby ..it's about how you say it .. you have no presence and you look like a wimp .. trump just brushes him off every time and bitch slaps him

[zoom17]

Trump :oldlol:

[KevinNYC]

Carky fiorina is actually trying to create a war against Russia. She's so ****ing stupid.
I believe the JV debate opened with someone declaring we are in WWIII.

[Patrick Chewing]

It's still amazing how pretentiously the left absolutely LOVES to taunt Christian Americans... but freaks the **** out if anyone raises an eyebrow at Muslims.

It's truly incredible. On this very board we see it all the time. People so desperate to go against the GOP, that they're literally clinging to terrorists and jihadists in mutual support.

Muslims do not give a FUKK about liberal Americans. They fukking hate them. And liberals are so desperate to look like 'the good guys' that they stand up proudly for Muslim radicals and condemn anyone else for daring to be so bigoted as to mock the religion of peace. And then they all have a good laugh about jesus and dinosaurs.

Complete sheep.


I just realized that she or some 20 year old pimple-faced assistant of hers wrote "Radical Jihadism".....LOL. Jihad is an Arabic word. Jihad is an Islamic word. The lengths they will go to avoid saying that word :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

Rubio is the voice of reason. If it can't be Webb I choose this guy. He seems normal compared to the rest. Trump is the only one capable of going toe to toe with Putin and winning, but the bald eagle said no, so Trump's got to go.

[DonDadda59]

thats his kryptonite. he can dish it but cant take the hits :coleman:

Exactly the sort of person you want in the Oval office. Can't take a little criticism and blows up when the media asks him questions he doesn't like. The man's a toddler trapped in an adult's body, still living off daddy's money.

[KevinNYC]

I just realized that she or some 20 year old pimple-faced assistant of hers wrote "Radical Jihadism".....LOL. Jihad is an Arabic word. Jihad is an Islamic word. The lengths they will go to avoid saying that word :oldlol:

I really don't know what you're talking about. But quick google search proves that bold part is not true.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=clinton+jihadi

[GIF REACTION]

**** off kevin you bitch

[longtime lurker]

Exactly the sort of person you want in the Oval office. Can't take a little criticism and blows up when the media asks him questions he doesn't like. The man's a toddler trapped in an adult's body, still living off daddy's money.

Enough about Akrazotile, what do you think of Trump?

[Akrazotile]

Rubio is the voice of reason. If it can't be Webb I choose this guy. He seems normal compared to the rest. Trump is the only one capable of going toe to toe with Putin and winning, but the bald eagle said no, so Trump's got to go.


Would be hilarious to see Rubio get into office and propose increased border security, and liberals faces contorting and throw their fists and the air and scream:

"RACCCCIIISSSS- wait, shit. Uhh.. ****. Err.. Quick, someone tell us what to think!"

[KevinNYC]

Refugees don't have background checks?

[Patrick Chewing]

I really don't know what you're talking about. But quick google search proves that bold part is not true.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=clinton+jihadi


You're off your game bro and just shot yourself in the foot. Read that second link and tell me you're not serious. :facepalm

[dude77]

rubio lecturing cruz on amnesty da ***

[Godzuki]

Exactly the sort of person you want in the Oval office. Can't take a little criticism and blows up when the media asks him questions he doesn't like. The man's a toddler trapped in an adult's body, still living off daddy's money.

well lucky the PREZ is executive in chief. he gets to throw punches and answer to them when its over. beats obama's bitch ass every day of the week :pimp:

[DonDadda59]

Enough about Akrazotile, what do you think of Trump?

Oh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOU7MdkwyOk) :(

[Jameerthefear]

Carly :roll:

[Nick Young]

Would be hilarious to see Rubio get into office and propose increased border security, and liberals faces contorting and throw their fists and the air and scream:

"RACCCCIIISSSS- wait, shit. Uhh.. ****. Err.. Quick, someone tell us what to think!"
He's the exact kind of guy the Repubs need to fight the PC Liberal menace.

Carly is a nutcase-I hope she has no chance, it will be scary if she's in charge.

[GIF REACTION]

Exactly the sort of person you want in the Oval office. Can't take a little criticism and blows up when the media asks him questions he doesn't like. The man's a toddler trapped in an adult's body, still living off daddy's money.
Enough about Deucewallaces, what do you think of Trump?

[KevinNYC]

You're off your game bro and just shot yourself in the foot. Read that second link and tell me you're not serious. :facepalm
Dude it's Bretibart. Are you ****ing high? Are you playing some debate drinking game?

[DonDadda59]

Enough about Deucewallaces, what do you think of Trump?

Say what you will about Deuces, but he's a self made man.

[Akrazotile]

Check me out yall, I have game with teh ladies!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AYwY74fDryU/SqtF3VzPyYI/AAAAAAAAVhI/Bh3JMeY9nXM/s400/funny+skinny+man+fat+woman+photos+7.jpg



:applause:

[Patrick Chewing]

I don't like these guys dancing around the issue of border control.

Here's what I would say if I was up there...


"You are damn right I want to secure the border. If you're here illegally, YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW. And no one is above the law....well, maybe Obama, but I don't care about the pundits, I care about the American people. And right now, under the threat that we are in, if you are not American and are not willing to become an American the legal way, then I've got one word for you....adios."

[Akrazotile]

Say what you will about Deuces, but he's a self made man.


Remind us how you make a living again?

Residuals from playing Gangster #3 in one production a year can't be payin ALL the bills..

[Nick Young]

Hell yeah arm the shit out of the Kurds and make them Israel 2:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[KevinNYC]

So Cruz gives the number of deportations under Clinton and the number under Bush and then.........just stops?

http://blogs.reuters.com/data-dive/files/2015/02/Deportations022515.jpg

Politifact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/10/american-principles-action/has-barack-obama-deported-more-people-any-other-pr/) in 2012.

According to current figures from Immigration and Customs Enforcement -- the federal agency responsible for deportations -- Obama has removed 1.4 million people during his 42 months in office so far. Technically, that's fewer than under George W. Bush, whose cumulative total was 2 million. But Bush’s number covers eight full years, which doesn’t allow an apples-to-apples comparison.

If you instead compare the two presidents’ monthly averages, it works out to 32,886 for Obama and 20,964 for Bush, putting Obama clearly in the lead. Bill Clinton is far behind with 869,676 total and 9,059 per month. All previous occupants of the White House going back to 1892 fell well short of the level of the three most recent presidents.

[oh the horror]

I really dislike politicians. Wow. Both sides. They all suck.

[DonDadda59]

I don't like these guys dancing around the issue of border control.

Here's what I would say if I was up there...


"You are damn right I want to secure the border. If you're here illegally, YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW. And no one is above the law....well, maybe Obama, but I don't care about the pundits, I care about the American people. And right now, under the threat that we are in, if you are not American and are not willing to become an American the legal way, then I've got one word for you....adios."

http://tellersvision.com/uploads/2/9/0/5/2905225/9225424.png


Remind us how you make a living again?

Residuals from playing Gangster #3 in one production a year can't be payin ALL the bills..

Here I am with Tay Tay... sorry, that's Taylor Schilling to you...

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-10-2015/DI9NSJ.gif

Got past the gangster #3 parts years ago, homie. Different pay grade. #SelfMade :pimp:

Now show me what YOU've done...

[KevinNYC]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-10-2015/DI9NSJ.gif
I don't know about y'all, but I'm legit concerned.

Hope the brother pulls through.

[GIF REACTION]

So Cruz gives the number of deportations under Clinton and the number under Bush and then.........just stops?

http://blogs.reuters.com/data-dive/files/2015/02/Deportations022515.jpg

Politifact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/10/american-principles-action/has-barack-obama-deported-more-people-any-other-pr/) in 2012.
Can yo cross reference this data with the amount of immigrants illegal and legal?

Can I get the official Deportation rate (DR%) ? It's 2015 Kev. Nobody uses raw stats anymore. It's all about the advanced stats.

[Nick Young]

Carly wants war with Russia, now she wants it with China:eek:

[GIF REACTION]

Didn't you see him in that rap video Don?

[KevinNYC]

Can yo cross reference this data with the amount of immigrants illegal and legal?

Can I get the official Deportation rate (DR%) ? It's 2015 Kev. Nobody uses raw stats anymore. It's all about the advanced stats.
Well it's known that illegal immigration has been negative for the past few years.

That is, more people going back than coming over.

[Akrazotile]

Here I am with Tay Tay... sorry, that's Taylor Schilling to you...

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-10-2015/DI9NSJ.gif




Who?


Anyway, who's Leo talking to right here in the tan colored coat with the thick neck?

http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/dicaprio-hammer/leonardo-dicaprio-armie-hammer-j-edgar-03.jpg


Looks familiar.

[BasedTom]

I don't like these guys dancing around the issue of border control.

Here's what I would say if I was up there...


"You are damn right I want to secure the border. If you're here illegally, YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW. And no one is above the law....well, maybe Obama, but I don't care about the pundits, I care about the American people. And right now, under the threat that we are in, if you are not American and are not willing to become an American the legal way, then I've got one word for you....adios."
this reads like a coach in a corny football movie

[Patrick Chewing]

Dude it's Bretibart. Are you ****ing high? Are you playing some debate drinking game?


What are you talking about? This is the second link to the link you posted, which clearly backs up what I was saying. Old bitch can't utter 'Radical Islam' to save her pasty entitled ass.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/260187-clinton-says-us-at-war-with-jihadists-not-radical-islam

[Nick Young]

http://tellersvision.com/uploads/2/9/0/5/2905225/9225424.png



Here I am with Tay Tay... sorry, that's Taylor Schilling to you...

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-10-2015/DI9NSJ.gif

Got past the gangster #3 parts years ago, homie. Different pay grade. #SelfMade :pimp:

Now show me what YOU've done...
getting it done, even became a GIF:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: You are doing ISH proud, old sport

http://i.imgur.com/Gbxx90A.gif

[Akrazotile]

http://i.imgur.com/Gbxx90A.gif


Oh snap, my homie Leo!

[GIF REACTION]

Who?


Anyway, who's Leo talking to right here in the tan colored coat with the thick neck?

http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/dicaprio-hammer/leonardo-dicaprio-armie-hammer-j-edgar-03.jpg


Looks familiar.
Holy shit

Hollywood Samuels.

[DonDadda59]

Who?


Anyway, who's Leo talking to right here in the tan colored coat with the thick neck?

Looks familiar.

Looks like your average run-of-the-mill Non Union extra.

What do I win?


Didn't you see him in that rap video Don?

No.

Anyway, back on topic...

Jeb has been much improved this debate. Will be interesting to see the poll numbers in a week or so. Trump seems to be the Teflon Buffoon doe. Nothing he says or does seems to affect his standing with his base.

[GIF REACTION]

Well it's known that illegal immigration has been negative for the past few years.

That is, more people going back than coming over.
Can we truly know the illegal immigration stats? I mean they are illegal after all

[Nick Young]

jeb is good and speaks sense but there's no coming back from the ETHER Trump dropped on his ass.

[KevinNYC]

2007 was the peak

this article (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/19/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/)is from last month.
There were 11.3 million unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. in 2014. The population has remained essentially stable for five years, and currently makes up 3.5% of the nation’s population. The number of unauthorized immigrants peaked in 2007 at 12.2 million, when this group was 4% of the U.S. population.

2. Mexican Unauthorized Immigrant Population Declines Since 2007 PeakMexicans make up about half of all unauthorized immigrants (49%), though their numbers have been declining in recent years. There were 5.6 million Mexican unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. in 2014, down from 6.4 million in 2009, according to preliminary Pew Research Center estimates.

[Nick Young]

Oh snap, my homie Leo!
You can only claim homieship if he's invited you on a yacht tour.

You been on Leo's yachy bro?:confusedshrug:

[Akrazotile]

Looks like your average run-of-the-mill Non Union extra.

What do I win?



Bout $100 more dollars than I made for the 8 hours of work, and the chance to sit by your phone for five months til the next 2-3 line bit-part comes your way.


http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3863231/PriceIsRight.gif

[RedBlackAttack]

Ted Cruz is looking slightly less grotesque and greasy tonight as compared to his usual appearance. Either they have the air conditioning turned down or he's on anti-sweat PEDs.

Kasich continues to be the most electable, best choice on the dais and he has no chance.

[Godzuki]

one things for sure, these gop debates on cnn have killed obama/hillary :applause:

[DonDadda59]

Ted Cruz with his usual circle talk. Can't say in public what he said in private.


Bout $100 more dollars than I made for the 8 hours of work, and the chance to sit by your phone for five months til the next 2-3 line bit-part comes your way.

Damn. Pwned.

Can I hop onto one of your million daddy-funded projects that never get past the sitting on the toilet planning stages? What I lack in outlandish internet ideas I more than make up for in actually getting shit done in real life. I think I can be a valuable member of the team.

[Nick Young]

Mr. Ohio needs to get the phuck out:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[KevinNYC]

What are you talking about? This is the second link to the link you posted, which clearly backs up what I was saying. Old bitch can't utter 'Radical Islam' to save her pasty entitled ass.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/260187-clinton-says-us-at-war-with-jihadists-not-radical-islam

You are drunk. You didn't say "Radical Islam." Let me make this clearer for you.

I just realized that she or some 20 year old pimple-faced assistant of hers wrote "Radical Jihadism".....LOL. Jihad is an Arabic word. Jihad is an Islamic word. The lengths they will go to avoid saying that word She has no problem saying jihadism.

She doesn't say Radical Islam, because it's very stupid and counterproductive to do so and she's following the advice of counterterrorism experts. We want to go after ISIS not Islam.

[Nick Young]

Cruz can get the phuck out too, he's almost as crazy as Carly.

[RedBlackAttack]

Every time Ben Carson starts to speak, I cringe in preparation for some random perplexing comment that doesn't make any sense. That guy makes me incredibly uncomfortable with his weirdness.

[Jameerthefear]

Every time Ben Carson starts to speak, I cringe in preparation for some random perplexing comment that doesn't make any sense. That guy makes me incredibly uncomfortable with his weirdness.
i thought i was the only one :roll:

[KevinNYC]

one things for sure, these gop debates on cnn have killed obama/hillary :applause:

This is for sure?

Pollster Clinton vs GOP leader +7 points.


Hillary Clinton 49.7%
Donald Trump 42.7%
Undecided

CONFIDENCE OF LEAD The probability that Clinton leads Trump is 99%.

Real Clear Politics Average.
Clinton up 5.8 points on Trump.
This with much more media focus on the GOP side.


Did you expect GOP debates to be pro the other party?

[MMKM]

Every time Ben Carson starts to speak, I cringe in preparation for some random perplexing comment that doesn't make any sense. That guy makes me incredibly uncomfortable with his weirdness.

What did he say that you didn't get?

[GIF REACTION]

This is for sure?

Pollster Clinton vs GOP leader +7 points.



Real Clear Politics Average.
Clinton up 5.8 points on Trump.
This with much more media focus on the GOP side.
Then God help us all.

[MMKM]

Mr. Ohio needs to get the phuck out:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Agreed he's friggin annoying

[RedBlackAttack]

What did he say that you didn't get?
Nothing really of note tonight, but the list of bizarre diatribes he has dished out over the last few months is almost endless. The one about stabbing his friend was particularly unsettling.

He's a really weird guy.

[mehyaM24]

some of these candidates are like sharks in the water. :oldlol: a lot of fear mongering by these clowns and a lot of BS by trump, especially at the end about how great "everyone was" and how he enjoyed it - barf bags for everybody!

outside of rand paul, this group is a ****ing trainwreck

[Akrazotile]

Ted Cruz with his usual circle talk. Can't say in public what he said in private.



Damn. Pwned.

Can I hop onto one of your million daddy-funded projects that never get past the sitting on the toilet planning stages? What I lack in outlandish internet ideas I more than make up for in actually getting shit done in real life. I think I can be a valuable member of the team.


Ive invited you to before, havent I??

[KevinNYC]

Desi ‏@DesiJed 2h2 hours ago
Is this a debate to get the Republican presidential nomination or to become the president of making my ***** dry? #GOPDebate

Desi ‏@DesiJed 9m9 minutes ago
Ted Cruz is now leading in the state of my *****

[Jameerthefear]

Desi ‏@DesiJed 2h2 hours ago
Is this a debate to get the Republican presidential nomination or to become the president of making my ***** dry? #GOPDebate

Desi ‏@DesiJed 9m9 minutes ago
Ted Cruz is now leading in the state of my *****
you're such a ****ing loser dude. No one cares about what some random feminist bitch thinks about the debate. Not one ****ing person.

[KevinNYC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nanOevuxpdM

[KevinNYC]

you're such a ****ing loser dude. No one cares about what some random feminist bitch thinks about the debate. Not one ****ing person.

lol.

yeah, you don't care at all. Not at all.


Holy shit.

[Jameerthefear]

lol.

yeah, you don't care at all. Not at all.


Holy shit.
I don't, you limp wristed son of a bitch. Go take your bullshit to Tumblr. They'd love a little f*ggot like you. You'd be a ****ing celebrity.

[KevinNYC]

I don't, you limp wristed son of a bitch. Go take your bullshit to Tumblr. They'd love a little f*ggot like you. You'd be a ****ing celebrity.
yeah, that's obvious.

You don't care.

You're so calm about it.

Perfectly Calm, Dude.

[Jameerthefear]

yeah, that's obvious.

You don't care.

You're so calm about it.

Perfectly Calm, Dude.
I already shit down your throat dude. Don't make me ****ing embarrass you in this thread.

[KevinNYC]

I already shit down your throat dude. Don't make me ****ing embarrass you in this thread.
I'm calmer than you are.

[Jameerthefear]

I'm calmer than you are.
I'm calm. I just won't allow clowns like you to post feminist bullshit on here. Jeff and I have already discussed you. Your leash has gotten shorter and shorter.

[KevinNYC]

I'm calm. I just won't allow clowns like you to post feminist bullshit on here. Jeff and I have already discussed you. Your leash has gotten shorter and shorter.


LOL. OMG that is funny.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm calmer than you are.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcyeksuHdq1rezavlo6_250.gif

[Jameerthefear]

LOL. OMG that is funny.
You won't be laughing when you have a 'Banned' title under your name.

[KevinNYC]

You won't be laughing when you have a 'Banned' title under your name.
Actually, I would be laughing really, really hard.

[KevinNYC]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcyeksuHdq1rezavlo6_250.gif
I was definitely thinking of Walter.

Also for Lebowski fans, my office Christmas Party is Friday evening and we're going bowling. I'm going to do the whole speech.

[TripleA]

You won't be laughing when you have a 'Banned' title under your name.

:roll:

[oh the horror]

Jameer is going to rage kill a woman one day while having a boner. Complicated kid. Merry Christmas

[Jameerthefear]

Actually, I would be laughing really, really hard.
Alright. We'll put it to test then.

[KevinNYC]

I’m staying....... Finishing my coffee. .................................................. .................Enjoying my coffee.

[NumberSix]

You are drunk. You didn't say "Radical Islam." Let me make this clearer for you.
She has no problem saying jihadism.

She doesn't say Radical Islam, because it's very stupid and counterproductive to do so and she's following the advice of counterterrorism experts. We want to go after ISIS not Islam.
"Radical islam" is in fact a dumb meaningless phrase. "Jihadism" actually is more appropriate. The big problem though is that it's inconvenient to point out that it's the Saudi's particular brand of Islam that is the problem and role that saudi oil money plays in spreading/funding it.

Do you think Saudi Arabia would put up with America funding churches being built across Saudi Arabia for the purpose of preaching a crusade against the Saudi government, Saudi laws, Saudi culture, etc..? Why do we put up with it?

[Akrazotile]

"Radical islam" is in fact a dumb meaningless phrase. "Jihadism" actually is more appropriate. The big problem though is that it's inconvenient to point out that it's the Saudi's particular brand of Islam that is the problem and role that saudi oil money plays in spreading/funding it.

Do you think Saudi Arabia would put up with America funding churches being built across Saudi Arabia for the purpose of preaching a crusade against the Saudi government, Saudi laws, Saudi culture, etc..? Why do we put up with it?


http://s17.postimg.org/4czuzdvov/473199792_president_barack_obama_welcomes_sheikh.j pg

http://1389blog.com/pix/gwb-with-saudi-king-abdullah.jpg


As long as the President either loves or hates gays, he's gonna get carte blanche from half the country to be as corrupt as he wants.


Arguing about marginal incidences of bigotry is what matters in this country.

[Patrick Chewing]

You are drunk. You didn't say "Radical Islam." Let me make this clearer for you.
She has no problem saying jihadism.

She doesn't say Radical Islam, because it's very stupid and counterproductive to do so and she's following the advice of counterterrorism experts. We want to go after ISIS not Islam.

You blithering idiot. She wrote that on her Twitter feed even though the candidates were talking about radical Islam. It's like she made it a point to not write out the word.

Islam and Radical Islam are two totally different things. Don't try to play stupid.

And how is saying radical Islam stupid?? That's what it is!!!

[thefatmiral]

why isn't healthcare and economics issues that are talked about anymore?
its all just about trump saying something outlandish. and terrorism. what the hell is going on

[NumberSix]

why isn't healthcare and economics issues that are talked about anymore?
its all just about trump saying something outlandish. and terrorism. what the hell is going on
This debate was specifically dedicated to foreign policy. The last debate was all about the economy.

[Dresta]

You are drunk. You didn't say "Radical Islam." Let me make this clearer for you.
She has no problem saying jihadism.

She doesn't say Radical Islam, because it's very stupid and counterproductive to do so and she's following the advice of counterterrorism experts. We want to go after ISIS not Islam.
No, what's incredibly, and in fact, unforgivably stupid, is to be talking of war and bombing without even recognising what our enemy is, which is most certainly Islam, specifically the branch of Islamic Wahhabist ideology that is spread by one of our major allies, and supported by others - you can't fight an enemy if you're busy stubbornly pretending not to know who they are, or its root source.

This is why we have such a clueless policy regarding the middle east, why we have armed fanatics and brought Libya and Syria to ashes out of our own hubris: the clowns in power don't even know who their real enemies are, rather, they're usually entertaining them with expensive dinners or allowing their families to buy up property in our capital cities (gotta plug GDP growth no matter what - oil and blood soaked arabs probs own a hefty portion of the prime real estate in London by now). It's called selling your soul for a few bags of gold, and America is doing it too: inviting a bunch of rich Chinese and South Americans to buy up loads of real estate, making housing completely unaffordable for actual Americans - but, of course, people like you have never given the slightest shit about the wellbeing of their fellow countrymen - you're too busy trying to think well of yourself.

Seriously, what drivel - this foolish opinion of yours (and hers) is the most blatant denial of facts for the sake of either PR or ideological delusion. Suddenly IS is the only problem, and groups like Al-Nusra are filled with cuddly bunnies just trying to throw of the yoke of tyranny? Amirite?

[Blue&Orange]

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150818-chimps-living-in-the-stone-age


Already ahead of Trump and his followers.


Closing the internet, priceless, closing the internet but only Syria, priceless. What a buffoon.

[NumberSix]

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150818-chimps-living-in-the-stone-age


Already ahead of Trump and his followers.


Closing the internet, priceless, closing the internet but only Syria, priceless. What a buffoon.
You know the United States actually did shut down Internet servers in North Korea for a little while not long ago.

[Trollsmasher]

trump's best debate yet

easily

took YEB!'s lunch and showed it up his guacabowl

Rand and Cruz did pretty well too.

Rubio was pretty weak for the establishment's great hope. That immigration history was always going to come back and bite him in the ass.

[Take Your Lumps]

Why do people keep trotting out the false narrative that Obama caused ISIS because he pulled out of Iraq?

We can all agree on the fact that the pull back was agreed upon years in advance by the GWB administration, right? Or are we just going to make up our own facts? They set a deadline of Dec 31, 2011 all the way back in '08.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf

[NumberSix]

Why do people keep trotting out the false narrative that Obama caused ISIS because he pulled out of Iraq?

We can all agree on the fact that the pull back was agreed upon years in advance by the GWB administration, right? Or are we just going to make up our own facts? They set a deadline of Dec 31, 2011 all the way back in '08.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf
The government of Iraq wanted the United States to stay in Iraq. Everybody in the military and intelligence community told Obama that leaving would be a disaster. Don't pretend that Obama had no choice in the matter.

[Trollsmasher]

Why do people keep trotting out the false narrative that Obama caused ISIS because he pulled out of Iraq?

We can all agree on the fact that the pull back was agreed upon years in advance by the GWB administration, right? Or are we just going to make up our own facts? They set a deadline of Dec 31, 2011 all the way back in '08.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf
it was also agreed that the withdrawal could be renegotiated at that point

[Dresta]

The government of Iraq wanted the United States to stay in Iraq. Everybody in the military and intelligence community told Obama that leaving would be a disaster. Don't pretend that Obama had no choice in the matter.
Not to mention that he was warned that the destabilization of Syria would result in spillover into Iraq, and that it would aid the growth of AQI, and possibly facilitate the establishment of a caliphate - these are known facts, proven by government intelligence records, yet they are ignored or denied. Former aids of Obama have come out and publicly said that he ignored the threat of IS (knowingly), played it down, and tried to pretend the spectre of Islamism died with Bin Laden - for electioneering purposes. This is shameless and disgraceful, but nothing can break down the fanatical devotion of Obamites, who will excuse him anything because he doesn't 'hate gays' or some other irrelevancy.

Why can't Obama bummers stand the slightest criticism of their demi-God? It is near universally accepted that Bush ****ed up with his Iraq adventure, but for some reason Dems want to sweep Obama's record in Syria, Libya, and even Ukraine, under the carpet (with the exception of respectable Democrats who are barely Democrats like Jim Webb). The US is still engaged in incessant attempts to overthrow whatever sovereign governments it does not like, whenever it has some geopolitical advantage to score, and then tries to pretend that someone else is responsible when these places descend into chaos. How about just letting that Wilsonian dream die already, and finally admitting that it was another liberal-utopian catastrophe?

This is called ideological blindness, or even madness. When will these people learn their lesson? It's been decades of the same bullshit now.

edit: and with American troops stationed literally all over the world, the notion that we had to withdraw by that self set deadline (by a previous President, no less) as completely as we did, is absurd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments

Yeah, i'm sure Obama's hands were completely tied, and he withdrew against his own desires and inclinations :roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Why do people keep trotting out the false narrative that Obama caused ISIS because he pulled out of Iraq?

We can all agree on the fact that the pull back was agreed upon years in advance by the GWB administration, right? Or are we just going to make up our own facts? They set a deadline of Dec 31, 2011 all the way back in '08.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf


Who cares what Bush said. It was Obama's decision to remove troops and look at the turmoil that soon followed. He went against the advice of the people on the ground, just to look like some grand politician that brought the troops back home.

The sad part is, when a Republican takes the White House, they'll eventually put boots on the ground and the deaths of those soldiers will lie solely on Obama's incompetence.

[KevinNYC]

The government of Iraq wanted the United States to stay in Iraq.

No. They didn't. In the status of forces agreement signed by George Bush in 2008. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDriV-8qUuw) (If you click that link and go to 17:30, you'll find this was one of the more memorable moments of the Iraq war.) The Iraqi government pushed for and got these two items:

......U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009,
......All U.S. combat forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

We pushed for and got
....immunity for US troops unless they committed "grave" and "premeditated" crimes while off duty and outside US bases. And we got to decide who was "off-duty."

Even this 2008 agreement was controversial. The Iraqi parliament only agreed to to ratify it after it was decided a referendum on it would be held in 2009 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7752580.stm)where the agreement could be voted down and US troop withdrawal moved up to 2010. That referendum was pushed back and then never held.
Sadrists turned out in tens of thousands to protest (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1078747/50-000-Iraqis-march-U-S-security-pact-stigmatise-Iraq-years.html)and burned effigies of Bush

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/18/article-1078747-0229D7F3000005DC-532_468x645.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/18/article-1078747-0229D917000005DC-399_233x423.jpg

So for our troops to stay beyond 2011. We would have had to RE-negotiate this agreement which was already unpopular in a lot of areas of Iraq. Negotiations started in fall 2010, but reached an impasse over a key US condition: Iraq wanted to remove that protection of immunity for US forces. The Iraqi government would not sign an agreement without it and it's a standard part of out SOFA agreements around the world.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/may/18/jeb-bush/obama-refused-sign-plan-place-leave-10000-troops-i/
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/24/martha-raddatz/obama-wanted-keep-10000-troops-iraq-abcs-raddatz-c/

So it's not accurate to say the Iraqi government wanted us there. They wanted us there but only on their conditions and would not agree to the conditions we needed to stay there. The SOFA agreement would have required the vote of the Iraqi Parliament.

[KevinNYC]

It was Obama's decision to remove troops.

Nope. As stated above, the SOFA, Bush negotiated did not go pass 2011.

Iraq would not agree to the same conditions of that SOFA because it was domestically unpopular AND Iraqi politicians felt Iraq was stable.

To keep troops there past 2011, the US would have had to give IRAQ jurisdiction of US troops which we were never go to do or violate Iraqi sovereignty and keep US troops there as a occupying force.

To say it was Obama's choice alone is to ignore Iraqi sovereignty. Even critics who felt Obama should have kept troops there DO NOT argue that he should agreed to Iraqi jurisdiction over US troops. They argue he didn't try hard enough to get the Iraqis to make a concessions over this issue.


Another factor that folks who argue this way miss, is that if you look at his subsequent actions Maliki clearly wanted us gone. He basically began a sectarian crackdown after US troops left. EDIT: An arrest warrant was issued for a prominent Sunni politician the day after US troops left.

[KevinNYC]

Factchecks coming in.

I like these

Ted Cruz
In describing his plans as commander-in-chief, Ted Cruz said: “[I would use] overwhelming air power to utterly and completely destroy ISIS.... You would carpet bomb where ISIS is -- not a city, but the location of the troops. You'd use air power. You'd have embedded special forces direct the airpower. But the object isn't to level the city — the object is to kill the ISIS terrorists."
His description of is pretty much the opposite of carpet bombing.

Sen. Ted Cruz said, “The head of the FBI told Congress that we cannot vet these refugees.”
That’s not exactly right. The federal government has developed a significant vetting process for refugees that requires in-person interviews and can take years.


Carly Fiorina:
“One of the things I would immediately do, in addition to defeating [the terrorists] at home, would be to bring back the warrior class – Petraeus, McChrystal, Mattis, Keane, Flynn. Every one was retired early because they told President Obama things he didn’t want to hear.”

Not exactly.

Jack Keane, who served as vice chief of staff of the Army, retired in 2003
David Petraeus....retired from the Army in 2011 when Obama appointed him director of the CIA. (He resigned a year later after news of an extramarital affair and a parallel FBI investigation.)

Stanley McChrystal, then the commander in Afghanistan, was relieved and later retired in 2010 after an unscripted interview for a Rolling Stone magazine profile quoted his aides mocking Vice President Joe Biden.


Chris Christie
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie declared, "When I stand across from King Hussein of Jordan and I say to him, 'You have a friend again, sir, who will stand with you to fight this fight,' he'll change his mind."

Unfortunately, the New Jersey governor's dream meeting is not destined to take place. King Hussein of Jordan has been dead since 1999.

Christie should know. He and his family vacationed in Jordan with King Hussein's son, King Abdullah, three years ago.

[Derka]

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Ted Cruz
In describing his plans as commander-in-chief, Ted Cruz said:

[D-Wade316]

Kev owning these turds, as usual.

[KevinNYC]

So Cruz gives the number of deportations under Clinton and the number under Bush and then.........just stops?

http://blogs.reuters.com/data-dive/files/2015/02/Deportations022515.jpg

Politifact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/10/american-principles-action/has-barack-obama-deported-more-people-any-other-pr/) in 2012.

So CNN gave Cruz a true but misleading (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/15/politics/republican-debate-factcheck/)because he's comparing different things. The stats I cited are for removals.


Reality Check: Cruz on deportation records

Demanding tougher enforcement of immigration laws, Sen. Ted Cruz cited the deportation records of previous presidents.

"You enforce the law," Cruz said. "That means you stop the Obama administration's policy of releasing criminal illegal aliens. You know how many illegal aliens Bill Clinton deported? Twelve million. You know how many illegal aliens George W. Bush deported? Ten million."

Those numbers are tricky, since "deportation" isn't an official law enforcement term used by the U.S. government. There are two types of ways that detained undocumented immigrants are forced to leave the country: "removals," which require a court order, and "returns," which occur when immigrants apprehended near the Mexican or Canadian border are told to turn back.

When counting both "removals" and "returns," 12.3 million undocumented immigrants were forced to leave the country under Clinton. The figure for Bush is close to 10 million, according to Homeland Security records.

From the years 2009-2013 -- the years Obama has been in office where data is available -- 3.8 million undocumented immigrants were either "removed" or "returned."

Breaking down those statistics, Obama has relied far more heavily on "removals," and is outpacing any previous commander-in-chief.

Cruz is suggesting in his statement that Obama has been weaker on deportation than his two predecessors -- an assertion that doesn't stand up to figures showing Obama "removing" far more people than Clinton or Bush.

But under his administration, there have been fewer "returns" since there have been fewer Mexicans or Canadians attempting to cross the southern or northern borders.

Verdict: True, but misleading

[KevinNYC]

Also, I don't think he knows what carpet bombing is

He claimed that we carpet bombed Iraq in the 1991 Gulf War. This was also not carpet bombing.

[MMKM]

One impression I've gained from these debates is that Rand Paul is a huge contrarian and know it all when it comes to everyone else's policies, but he never has to defend his own. He kind of sits up there as the resident expert of all things political and sermonizes down to the other candidates, but he never has to defend the effectiveness of anything he would do as president himself. He's kind of like the annoying kid in the classroom who is always correcting the other students and pretending to be the teacher.

[TheMan]

Kev owning these turds, as usual.
No doubt

That's why the reactionary doofuses here hate him and throw him shade cuz he calls out their bullshit with facts...

Keep owning them, homie :applause:

[zoom17]

I don't like Rand Paul but he was the most sane person on the stage last night. Bunch of awful candidates the republicans have.

[Godzuki]

Why do people keep trotting out the false narrative that Obama caused ISIS because he pulled out of Iraq?

We can all agree on the fact that the pull back was agreed upon years in advance by the GWB administration, right? Or are we just going to make up our own facts? They set a deadline of Dec 31, 2011 all the way back in '08.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf


Obama deserves ALL of the blame for ISIS's march thru Iraq and taking all of the military equipment we gave them, as well as the deaths of the Iraqi's and destruction of landmarks during that ISIS march.

he tried to force the then Iraqi's PM's hand to step down by not stepping in until it was way too late. he played a card and burned us bad, strengthening ISIS considerably.

Obama deserves most of the blame for why ISIS has been able to become as strong as they are now through acquisition of weapons and oil. he is a pansy Prez, biggest poohsee ever~

nobody can deny what i just said which makes him extremely guilty of incompetence and gross negligence. hopefully thats how history remembers him :coleman:

[Godzuki]

I don't like Rand Paul but he was the most sane person on the stage last night. Bunch of awful candidates the republicans have.


lmao do you Dem's on ISH live in a box? :biggums:

or are you all going to pretend ISIS is a imaginary enemy cooked up by Republicans to scare us, along with the French bombing,, and female US suicide bomber....

y'all mf'ers keep trying to act like we're being so fear mongered and not in any danger as if nothing has happened :coleman:

liberal ISH movement are so clueless :facepalm

[falc39]

One impression I've gained from these debates is that Rand Paul is a huge contrarian and know it all when it comes to everyone else's policies, but he never has to defend his own. He kind of sits up there as the resident expert of all things political and sermonizes down to the other candidates, but he never has to defend the effectiveness of anything he would do as president himself. He's kind of like the annoying kid in the classroom who is always correcting the other students and pretending to be the teacher.

You don't really need a defense when you already sound like the most sane person of everyone on the stage, actually out of both parties. He is by far the best candidate.

[KevinNYC]

Obama deserves ALL of the blame for ISIS's march thru Iraq
:lol

How about the Iraqi Army? No blame?

How about the Iraqi Prime Minister? No blame?


he tried to force the then Iraqi's PM's hand to step down by not stepping in until it was way too late. he played a card and burned us bad, strengthening ISIS considerably.
I have no idea what you are talking about here, but Iraq is doing better against ISIS under this new PM than under Maliki.

[Akrazotile]

You don't really need a defense when you already sound like the most sane person of everyone on the stage, actually out of both parties. He is by far the best candidate.


Yeah, thats the thing with Paul. Hes a libertarian, so he just wants to do what needs to be done without a lot of rhetoric and pandering. Simple and effective.

The traditional republican candidates are trying to do all the macho bravado, and the democrat candidates are trying to do the super sensitive tolerance, and both sides are full of narratives to poke holes in.

Rand just wants America to do what it needs to do without a big production, and keep it movin. But the thing is, most people want to see their party do the big production. Thats who politicians need to appeal to.

[bladefd]

You know the United States actually did shut down Internet servers in North Korea for a little while not long ago.

You know how limited the internet servers are in NK?? Public don't even get to access it and the few who can have to deal with 56k modem internet junk.. It is not hard to shut down junk like that.

As far as hacking the encryption or Fiorina saying that US government is using wrong algorithm. She has no idea what she is talking about. I am sure with the money ISIS terrorists have, they use high level encryption that cannot be bruteforced (AES-256 is currently the most complex & essentially unhackable). The process these algorithms go through is open to the world. People with high security degrees have been trying everything in the book for years to hack it. NSA has not hacked it because it is not something you just bruteforce even with many supercompters at your disposal.

[Godzuki]

:lol

How about the Iraqi Army? No blame?

How about the Iraqi Prime Minister? No blame?


I have no idea what you are talking about here, but Iraq is doing better against ISIS under this new PM than under Maliki.


who was responsible for getting them fighting ready? who gave them heavy weapons that ISIS took? who left them to their own defense while ISIS marched through Iraq for months watching it all unfold?


so are you seriously conveniently forgetting the card Obama played to force the PM's resignation, that completely backfired? so you think the new PM is worth ISIS being infinitely stronger with our heavy weapons, oil fields, and Iraqi military sites?

[KevinNYC]

so are you seriously conveniently forgetting the card Obama played to force the PM's resignation, that completely backfired? so you think the new PM is worth ISIS being infinitely stronger with our heavy weapons, oil fields, and Iraqi military sites?

What exactly completely backfired? And do you know why we wanted Maliki gone?


who was responsible for getting them fighting ready? who gave them heavy weapons that ISIS took? who left them to their own defense while ISIS marched through Iraq for months watching it all unfold?
Do you have any idea why ISIS took over so easily? Did you know that ISIS didn't even plan on taking Mosul, just launching an attack and then retreating?

Again, do you know why we wanted Maliki gone?

And yes, I used the words "infinitely stronger." I also said he stands 100 feet high and he's made of gold. Lasers shoot from his eyes and he farts sarin gas. When he takes a dump, it stronger than any Massive Ordnance Penetrating Bunker Buster in the US Arsenal.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Soooo y'all hate Obama for not doing what the people want, but when he does what the people wanted (remove troops from Iraq), you still hate him.

[Godzuki]

What exactly completely backfired? And do you know why we wanted Maliki gone?


Do you have any idea why ISIS took over so easily? Did you know that ISIS didn't even plan on taking Mosul, just launching an attack and then retreating?

Again, do you know why we wanted Maliki gone?

And yes, I used the words "infinitely stronger." I also said he stands 100 feet high and he's made of gold. Lasers shoot from his eyes and he farts sarin gas. When he takes a dump, it stronger than any Massive Ordnance Penetrating Bunker Buster in the US Arsenal.

because Maliki was sunni biased and we wanted him to include more Shiite representation into his government. So Obama cut him off letting ISIS march thru Iraq killing thousands of innocents, destroying landmarks, taking over Iraqi oil fields and military bases, and stealing the heavy weapons we gave to the Iraqi military. ALL of this is on Obama. He tried to play hard ball to force Maliki's hand and in the end completely fukked us and made ISIS what they are today.

don't pretend what i said is anything but truth. its FACT :coleman:

we sat there watching it all unfold here, there are probably older ISH threads wondering why Obama is just letting ISIS march thru Iraq unimpeded. Obama kept pretending ISIS wasnt much of a threat until it was too late.

dude is THE worst military Prez ever~ :facepalm

[DonDadda59]

Soooo y'all hate Obama for not doing what the people want, but when he does what the people wanted (remove troops from Iraq), you still hate him.

Just the fickle nature of man. Virtually everyone in 2007, on both sides of the aisle, was in agreement that Iraq was a complete blunder lost cause and the best candidate was the one who could get us out the fastest.

Last night Lindsey Grahamn makes an impassioned speech about wishing the guy who dragged us into that mess in the first place was still in office. :roll:

Now the popular sentiment is we stay in Iraq indefinitely, maybe invade Libya too now. :facepalm

[KevinNYC]

don't pretend what i said is anything but truth. its FACT :coleman:

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/56383116.jpg



because Maliki was sunni biased and we wanted him to include more Shiite representation into his government. So Obama cut him off letting ISIS march thru Iraq killing thousands of innocents, destroying landmarks, taking over Iraqi oil fields and military bases, and stealing the heavy weapons we gave to the Iraqi military. ALL of this is on Obama. He tried to play hard ball to force Maliki's hand and in the end completely fukked us and made ISIS what they are today.

Maliki is a Shiite and has close political ties with Iran.

Maliki was ousted not before ISIS took over the Sunni areas, but BECAUSE ISIS (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/11/nouri-al-maliki-iraq-forced-out-prime-minister) took over the Sunni areas. It was revealed he was not presiding over a national army. It was strong in the Shiite areas, but weak and corrupt in the Sunni areas. It was Maliki's sectarian crackdown on Sunni's that helped ISIS spread in the north and west of Iraq.

In the end Maliki's own Shiite party turned on him because it was clear he was a failure. The Ayatollah Sistani himself (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/a-letter-from-sistani-turned-the-tide-against-iraqs-leader/2014/08/13/3b3426cf-60ee-4856-ad26-d01a9c6cc9c3_story.html) urged them to do this.
The handwritten letter from Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani was personally signed and stamped, and for Iraq’s embattled Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, it spelled the end.

“I see the need to speed up the selection of a new prime minister who has wide national acceptance,” read the missive, sent to leaders of Maliki’s Dawa party.

During his eight-year stewardship, Maliki had already lost many allies, overseen a collapse in the army and lost control of vast swaths of Iraqi territory. With the country in turmoil, those blunt words from Iraq’s leading Shiite cleric were enough to persuade the Shiite party that had been one of Maliki’s last bastions to change course.Iran turned on Maliki (http://www.wsj.com/articles/iraqi-leader-maliki-loses-backing-of-shiite-figure-and-iran-for-new-term-1406061526)too.
In recent days, high-level delegations of Iranian military officials and diplomats held a flurry of meetings in Baghdad and the Shiite religious capital Najaf, where they were told that Mr. Maliki, a Shiite, has lost the confidence of all but his most loyal inner circle, Iraqi officials with knowledge of the meetings said.

[MMKM]

All this crap about shutting down the Internet :rolleyes:

Here's what we should do, really simple.

Nuke the sh!t out of Syria and Iraq. Wipe them off the face of the earth. ISIS is the Islamic State of Syria and Iraq. They attacked us and they attacked our allies. So make an example out of them and f@ck them to death. Tell the world that if a terror cell representing your country attacks us, your country is toast. No one will ever try it again and the world is better without Iraq and Syria anyway. No one is going to come to their defense if we blow them off the map, they've made their own bed.

[KevinNYC]

All this crap about shutting down the Internet :rolleyes:

Here's what we should do, really simple.

Nuke the sh!t out of Syria and Iraq. Wipe them off the face of the earth. ISIS is the Islamic State of Syria and Iraq. They attacked us and they attacked our allies. So make an example out of them and f@ck them to death. Tell the world that if a terror cell representing your country attacks us, your country is toast. No one will ever try it again and the world is better without Iraq and Syria anyway. No one is going to come to their defense if we blow them off the map, they've made their own bed.
Then we'll build a freaking death Star and put freaking laser beams on freaking sharks.

[MMKM]

Then we'll build a freaking death Star and put freaking laser beams on freaking sharks.

You act like we couldn't nuke someone. We did it over 50 years ago. You see any Japs going kamikaze anymore?

[KevinNYC]

You act like we couldn't nuke someone. We did it over 50 years ago. You see any Japs going kamikaze anymore?
We could also put freaking laser beams on freaking sharks.

[MMKM]

We could also put freaking laser beams on freaking sharks.

Focus NYC, that doesn't solve the problem.

Simple concept.

You mess with America, turn the page... F@ck you to death.

[KevinNYC]

Focus NYC, that doesn't solve the problem.

Simple concept.

You mess with America, turn the page... F@ck you to death.
Simple concept. Completely abhorrent and Un-American, but simple.

[KevinNYC]

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Factchecks coming in.

Carly Fiorina:

[MMKM]

Simple concept. Completely abhorrent and Un-American, but simple.

And also economical. Instead of "boots on the ground" and "tactical air strikes" for the next hundred years, sending our own people overseas to die, just blow them up. A nuke doesn't cost sh!t compared to that. Also takes their oil reserves out of the global equation. Nobody's gonna need or want oil from a nuclear waste dump. It's a win win.

Un-American. You know what's Un-American? Getting your ass kicked and being apologetic about it.

[DonDadda59]

You act like we couldn't nuke someone. We did it over 50 years ago. You see any Japs going kamikaze anymore?

Looks like neither you nor Trump have heard of the Geneva Convention. :lol

Now we're going to slaughter civilians and nuke countries we're not even at war with, killing many of our allies.

Sounds like a solid plan.

[zoom17]

Trumps facial expressions during debates are hilarious.

[MMKM]

Looks like neither you nor Trump have hear of the Geneva Convention. :lol

Now we're going to slaughter civilians and nuke countries we're not even at war with, killing many of our allies.

Sounds like a solid plan.

I agree. Solid. It will send every bullsh!t 3rd world country a message: if you have a massive terror cell in your country, take care of your own house. If you don't and they attack us, we'll take care of you. If you CANT take care of the terror cells in your own country, it means they are in control as the de facto government of your country and therefore they represent your country. Real simple if you can't control your own country and terror "states" rise out of them, you're getting blown up. That would be game over nobody f@cks with us anymore.

While you squabble over moral issues with blowing up innocent people, you prefer the method of sending our own people to die and having our own people be victimized, for decades to come. Don't fake the moral high ground.

[DonDadda59]

I agree. Solid. It will send every bullsh!t 3rd world country a message: if you have a massive terror cell in your country, take care of your own house. If you don't and they attack us, we'll take care of you. If you CANT take care of the terror cells in your own country, it means they are in control as the de facto government of your country and therefore they represent your country. Real simple if you can't control your own country and terror "states" rise out of them, you're getting blown up. That would be game over nobody f@cks with us anymore.

While you squabble over moral issues with blowing up innocent people, you prefer the method of sending our own people to die and having our own people be victimized, for decades to come. Don't fake the moral high ground.

You clearly have only a tenuous grasp of the politics of the conflict at best.

Again, how would nuking nations we're not at war with... many of our staunchest allies in the fight against terrorists residing there... how would that benefit anyone?

Explain to me how blowing the Peshmerga or the Yazidi in Iraq/Syria into smithereens help anyone? How would annihilating civilians we're professing to help in the fight against ISIS benefit our military position?

How would our allies in Europe or Russia react to such a ridiculously stupid move?

You've obviously thought this strategy through beyond shock and awe, right?

[oarabbus]

I agree. Solid. It will send every bullsh!t 3rd world country a message: if you have a massive terror cell in your country, take care of your own house. If you don't and they attack us, we'll take care of you. If you CANT take care of the terror cells in your own country, it means they are in control as the de facto government of your country and therefore they represent your country. Real simple if you can't control your own country and terror "states" rise out of them, you're getting blown up. That would be game over nobody f@cks with us anymore.

While you squabble over moral issues with blowing up innocent people, you prefer the method of sending our own people to die and having our own people be victimized, for decades to come. Don't fake the moral high ground.


Public Enemy #1 is Pakistan... and we give them aid :facepalm

[MMKM]

You clearly have only a tenuous grasp of the politics of the conflict at best.

Again, how would nuking nations we're not at war with... many of our staunchest allies in the fight against terrorists residing there... how would that benefit anyone?

Explain to me how blowing the Peshmerga or the Yazidi in Iraq/Syria into smithereens help anyone? How would annihilating civilians we're professing to help in the fight against ISIS benefit our military position?

How would our allies in Europe or Russia react to such a ridiculously stupid move?

You've obviously thought this strategy through beyond shock and awe, right?

Peshmerga Smeshmerga. You're over complicating sh!t. We're playing a game of whack a mole. The game never stops. Either innocent Iraqis die or innocent Americans die. Take your pick. Rather than whack a mole I prefer blowing up the whole arcade. We could securely communicate to our allies stationed in Iraq and Syria to pull out of Iraq and Syria. You can't see the forest for the trees. Like I said before, keep your own house in order because if your f@cked up house ends up killing Americans, we're burning it down. That's language these animals understand.

[KevinNYC]

Rather than whack a mole I prefer blowing up the whole arcade.
http://images.entertainment.ie/images_content/rectangle/620x372/darknight20135131521705.jpg

Some men do.

[DonDadda59]

Peshmerga Smeshmerga.

Exactly. You're clearly talking out of your ass. Nevermind that the Peshmerga have been doing some of the heaviest lifting in the war against ISIS and has recaptured territory from them... Let's just nuke them too... just because. :facepalm


You're over complicating sh!t. We're playing a game of whack a mole. The game never stops. Either innocent Iraqis die or innocent Americans die. Take your pick. Rather than whack a mole I prefer blowing up the whole arcade. We could securely communicate to our allies stationed in Iraq and Syria to pull out of Iraq and Syria. You can't see the forest for the trees. Like I said before, keep your own house in order because if your f@cked up house ends up killing Americans, we're burning it down. That's language these animals understand.

ISIS has killed 0.0 American citizens, but we should respond to this nothing by nuking millions of civilians because...

Again, what would that accomplish exactly?

Where would our allies in Iraq and Syria 'pull out' to exactly? Are we taking them in as refugees?

How would the rest of the World, particularly our allies and Russia respond?

Since you've clearly thought this out, shouldn't be too hard to answer. Go ahead.

[KevinNYC]

ISIS has killed 0.0 American citizens, but we should respond to this nothing by nuking millions of civilians because...

Not true. ISIS has killed a handful of Americans in Iraq and Syria. The photojournalist, James Foley was the first. He was beheaded.

http://www.albawaba.com/sites/default/files/im/JAmes_foley_and_137_other_journos_worldwide_lost_t heir_lives_in_2014.jpg

The San Bernadino killers were, of course, inspired by ISIS at the very least.

[DonDadda59]

Not true. ISIS has killed a handful of Americans in Iraq and Syria. The photojournalist, James Foley was the first. He was beheaded.

http://www.albawaba.com/sites/default/files/im/JAmes_foley_and_137_other_journos_worldwide_lost_t heir_lives_in_2014.jpg

The San Bernadino killers were, of course, inspired by ISIS at the very least.

*Should've have clarified I meant on U.S. soil/the mainland.

And being 'inspired' by isn't the same thing as being killed by. The guy was a U.S. citizen and Health inspector who killed his longtime co-workers. They may have read some Jihadi propaganda online but overall it was your average American mass shooting. Not really a reason to nuke 2 countries... IMO at least.

You could give Al-Baghdadi a red marker and a map of the U.S. and tell him to circle San Bernadino and he'd look at you like a confused puppy.

[MMKM]

*Should've have clarified I meant on U.S. soil/the mainland.

And being 'inspired' by isn't the same thing as being killed by. The guy was a U.S. citizen and Health inspector who killed his longtime co-workers. They may have read some Jihadi propaganda online but overall it was your average American mass shooting. Not really a reason to nuke 2 countries... IMO at least.

You could give Al-Baghdadi a red marker and a map of the U.S. and tell him to circle San Bernadino and he'd look at you like a confused puppy.

Oh wow so now San Bernardino doesn't count as an ISIS killing because the couple wasnt officially sworn into the club or something. Even if you pledge allegiance to ISIS online before you shoot up a building of Christians and then ISIS takes credit for the killing on social media, ISIS didn't do it. You're a secret ISIS sympathizer.
Lucky I can't push that nuclear button or I'd blast
all your best buds over there. We'd save our own people's lives and money, but you pretend that isn't the case. Only concerned about THEM not us. Talking about Pershmergas and sh!t...tough sh!t, collateral damage.

What pisses people off about people like you is you act like this isn't a big deal, you act like we aren't actually at war, you act like our hands are tied as far as what we are and aren't allowed to do during a war. Trump is destroying in the polls mainly because patriotic Americans see that he is outraged by all this nonsense and he isn't going to stand for it. That's why he's gaining votes by the day. Because unlike liberal pus$y democrats, he actually takes this personally, and he isn't going to fight with his hands tied behind his back. That's what I can get behind. 9/11 was a big deal. Paris was a big deal. The attack on our embassy was a big deal. San Bernardino was a big deal. It's time to cut the bullsh!t and blow up the bad guys, and if you think Iraq and Syria aren't harboring the bad guys you're crazier than me.

[DonDadda59]

Oh wow so now San Bernardino doesn't count as an ISIS killing because the couple wasnt officially sworn into the club or something.

Precisely. I could go around punching people in the face and claim I'm the lost member of the Justice League. Doesn't make it true.


Even if you pledge allegiance to ISIS online before you shoot up a building of Christians and then ISIS takes credit for the killing on social media, ISIS didn't do it. You're a secret ISIS sympathizer.

ISIS never took credit as they didn't carry out the shooting. They thanked their 'supporters'... which is all they were. ISIS fanboys.


Lucky I can't push that nuclear button or I'd blast
all your best buds over there. We'd save our own people's lives and money, but you pretend that isn't the case. Only concerned about THEM not us.

It must be fun being a simpleton. :oldlol:


What pisses people off about people like you is you act like this isn't a big deal, you act like we aren't actually at war

Congress declared war? When was this? I know the President has been requesting they do.

I must've missed the vote.


you act like our hands are tied as far as what we are and aren't allowed to do during a war.

The Geneva Convention is simply a figment of my imagination, I admit it. You got me.


Trump is destroying in the polls mainly because patriotic Americans see that he is outraged by all this nonsense and he isn't going to stand for it.

Trump is leading in the polls because he appeals to the lowest common denominator- all the perpetually scared, ignorant, and easily frightened west bumblef*ck dwellers who couldn't tell the constitution from a menu at Dallas BBQ.

Hillary trounces him in every head to head poll, usually by 10-12 points.


Because unlike liberal pus$y democrats, he actually takes this personally, and he isn't going to fight with his hands tied behind his back.

:lol

You do realize he's running for President and not Dear Leader right? None of his nonsense would ever get past SNL skits if by some bizarre twist he found his hairpiece in the Oval Office.


That's what I can get behind. 9/11 was a big deal. Paris was a big deal. The attack on our embassy was a big deal. San Bernardino was a big deal. It's time to cut the bullsh!t and blow up the bad guys, and if you think Iraq and Syria aren't harboring the bad guys you're crazier than me.

Git er Done (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm6xexu_wJY) :applause:

[MMKM]

Precisely. I could go around punching people in the face and claim I'm the lost member of the Justice League. Doesn't make it true.



ISIS never took credit as they didn't carry out the shooting. They thanked their 'supporters'... which is all they were. ISIS fanboys.



It must be fun being a simpleton. :oldlol:



Congress declared war? When was this? I know the President has been requesting they do.

I must've missed the vote.



The Geneva Convention is simply a figment of my imagination, I admit it. You got me.



Trump is leading in the polls because he appeals to the lowest common denominator- all the perpetually scared, ignorant, and easily frightened west bumblef*ck dwellers who couldn't tell the constitution from a menu at Dallas BBQ.

Hillary trounces him in every head to head poll, usually by 10-12 points.



:lol

You do realize he's running for President and not Dear Leader right? None of his nonsense would ever get past SNL skits if by some bizarre twist he found his hairpiece in the Oval Office.



Git er Done (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm6xexu_wJY) :applause:

What you wrote shows your dumbass understanding of how ISIS works. They don't hand out platinum membership cards. They recruit virally. If a Muslim who just showed up in America pledged allegiance to ISIS and then kills a bunch of people, that is an ISIS killing. Just like how you immediately drew the conclusion that because a terror threat was emailed into LAUSD from Germany, it wasn't from a terrorist. Germany has accepted Syrian refugees by the thousands. You didn't get that an IP address can easily be scrambled. Your conception of the world is naive, you don't get how ISIS even works but you try to attack my intelligence. My way saves American lives. Your way saves Pershmergas.

I think I'm gonna start a petition website. NukeISIS.com
You should start your own website: SanBernardinoDoesntCount.com
See how that goes. Peace out hippie.

[Nick Young]

Not true. ISIS has killed a handful of Americans in Iraq and Syria. The photojournalist, James Foley was the first. He was beheaded.

http://www.albawaba.com/sites/default/files/im/JAmes_foley_and_137_other_journos_worldwide_lost_t heir_lives_in_2014.jpg

The San Bernadino killers were, of course, inspired by ISIS at the very least.
Beheaded with that tiny knife? Holy shit what the phuck, that's vicious and cruel.:mad:

[Patrick Chewing]

*Should've have clarified I meant on U.S. soil/the mainland.

And being 'inspired' by isn't the same thing as being killed by. The guy was a U.S. citizen and Health inspector who killed his longtime co-workers. They may have read some Jihadi propaganda online but overall it was your average American mass shooting. Not really a reason to nuke 2 countries... IMO at least.

You could give Al-Baghdadi a red marker and a map of the U.S. and tell him to circle San Bernadino and he'd look at you like a confused puppy.


Don doing his best to save his ignorant ass. Backpeddlin' like a mutha.

[longtime lurker]

Peshmerga Smeshmerga. You're over complicating sh!t. We're playing a game of whack a mole. The game never stops. Either innocent Iraqis die or innocent Americans die. Take your pick. Rather than whack a mole I prefer blowing up the whole arcade. We could securely communicate to our allies stationed in Iraq and Syria to pull out of Iraq and Syria. You can't see the forest for the trees. Like I said before, keep your own house in order because if your f@cked up house ends up killing Americans, we're burning it down. That's language these animals understand.

It's people like you that make Americans some of the most hated people in the world

[TheMan]

Note to ISH, when someone suggests we should "nuke" countries, please ignore. :facepalm

No need to have a back and forth with retards.

[NumberSix]

Note to ISH, when someone suggests we should "nuke" countries, please ignore. :facepalm

No need to have a back and forth with retards.
No, we definitely shouldn't be nuking countries. I personally don't like the idea of even dropping normal bombs to tell you the truth.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Fear, Fear, Fear, Repeat.

[bladefd]

For the people saying to nuke the middle-east -- how are you guys any better than ISIS? They say they want to destroy the west. You say we should destroy the middle-east. Seriously, you sound just like ISIS. :facepalm

[Akrazotile]

It's people like you that make Americans some of the most hated people in the world

It's people like you that are more concerned with what others think than what's important.

[Akrazotile]

For the people saying to nuke the middle-east -- how are you guys any better than ISIS? They say they want to destroy the west. You say we should destroy the middle-east. Seriously, you sound just like ISIS. :facepalm


If you someone comes up and randomly punches you, and you punch back, does that put you both on equal footings of guilt?

[Take Your Lumps]

If you someone comes up and randomly punches you, and you punch back, does that put you both on equal footings of guilt?

Ask Jesus.

[MMKM]

It's people like you that make Americans some of the most hated people in the world

F&ck your world.

[DonDadda59]

F&ck your world.

https://youtu.be/LR1oG8-JajM?t=1m16s :(

[Godzuki]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/56383116.jpg




Maliki is a Shiite and has close political ties with Iran.

Maliki was ousted not before ISIS took over the Sunni areas, but BECAUSE ISIS (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/11/nouri-al-maliki-iraq-forced-out-prime-minister) took over the Sunni areas. It was revealed he was not presiding over a national army. It was strong in the Shiite areas, but weak and corrupt in the Sunni areas. It was Maliki's sectarian crackdown on Sunni's that helped ISIS spread in the north and west of Iraq.

In the end Maliki's own Shiite party turned on him because it was clear he was a failure. The Ayatollah Sistani himself (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/a-letter-from-sistani-turned-the-tide-against-iraqs-leader/2014/08/13/3b3426cf-60ee-4856-ad26-d01a9c6cc9c3_story.html) urged them to do this.Iran turned on Maliki (http://www.wsj.com/articles/iraqi-leader-maliki-loses-backing-of-shiite-figure-and-iran-for-new-term-1406061526)too.


so i got the factions flip flopped. my point still stands.

everyone on ISH with any brain cells left remembers us talking about ISIS marching their way thru Iraq taking over towns, bases, US equipment, oil fields, etc. and were like 'WTF is Obama doiing?' :biggums:

reinvent it how u want FACT is Obama used ISIS to leverage Maliki and in the end completely fukked everyone.

thx Obama :facepalm

[bladefd]

If you someone comes up and randomly punches you, and you punch back, does that put you both on equal footings of guilt?

It is called action and reaction. For every westerner ISIS kills, we bring justice upon them. As we should. What people are saying is to destroy the middle-east.

Here's a better question: if someone comes up and randomly punches you in the face, then you punch him back then proceed to go to his house and punch his entire family, friends, relatives and every person he knows. How is that for equal footing of guilt?

[MMKM]

It is called action and reaction. For every westerner ISIS kills, we bring justice upon them. As we should. What people are saying is to destroy the middle-east.

Here's a better question: if someone comes up and randomly punches you in the face, then you punch him back then proceed to go to his house and punch his entire family, friends, relatives and every person he knows. How is that for equal footing of guilt?

They will never punch you in the face again. Good plan.

[Akrazotile]

It is called action and reaction. For every westerner ISIS kills, we bring justice upon them. As we should. What people are saying is to destroy the middle-east.

Here's a better question: if someone comes up and randomly punches you in the face, then you punch him back then proceed to go to his house and punch his entire family, friends, relatives and every person he knows. How is that for equal footing of guilt?


If all those people know he's out attacking others, and they don't do anything to reign him in?

Yeah. Let them get punched.

[KevinNYC]

so i got the factions flip flopped. my point still stands.
GTFO and learn some humility.

You got the factions wrong AND THAT destroyed your argument.


Man up and admit when you were wrong.

[bladefd]

If all those people know he's out attacking others, and they don't do anything to reign him in?

Yeah. Let them get punched.

What if they don't know who it is doing the attacking? They know it is somebody from the area, but nobody knows who exactly. (Remember, ISIS followers' identities are not all public as they cover their faces when in front of cameras and eye-witnesses.)

How do you reign somebody in if you do not control their actions? Every person controls their own actions. If my friend Billy Bob is going around scratching up cars, i cannot tie him down to make him stop. All I can do is tell him to stop, and cut friendship with him, but I won't torture him to stop. I will report him to the local authorities, but it is not my job to personally handle him physically.

[MMKM]

What if they don't know who it is doing the attacking? They know it is somebody from the area, but nobody knows who exactly. (Remember, ISIS followers' identities are not all public as they cover their faces when in front of cameras and eye-witnesses.)

How do you reign somebody in if you do not control their actions? Every person controls their own actions. If my friend Billy Bob is going around scratching up cars, i cannot tie him down to make him stop. All I can do is tell him to stop, and cut friendship with him, but I won't torture him to stop. I will report him to the local authorities, but it is not my job to personally handle him physically.

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Equating this to a friend keying a car

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[MMKM]

It's called natural selection.


"I am a Lion. I protect Lions. If you're a hyena then f@ck you."

-Simba, the Lion King

It's the circle of life. Deal with it.

[WallIn]

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