How is Curry able to shoot such a high volume without stagnating the offense?

[TrueBlue89]

He leads the League in FGA's despite his relatively low minutes. What's his secret and how do other stars replicate it?

[warriorfan]

Mixing off and on ball play and being the greatest shooter in the history of the game.

[outbreak]

efficiency and crazy three point shooting %, a lot of his shots come in the flow or off others passes and good offball movement. Most volume scorers who don't help their team are guys who score off isos and only creating for themselves.

[TaLvsCuaL]

He is stupidly good shooter, that is all. Current NBA rules also help him a bit

[Akrazotile]

Mixing off and on ball play and being the greatest shooter in the history of the game.


This.


Curry often puts up shots while only having actually held the ball for a couple seconds of the possession.

Whereas someone like Kobe uses up 23 seconds for every FGA. So if he and Curry take the same number of shots, Kobe spent a lot more cumulative time hording the ball and stagnating the offense.

[JohnMax]

Remember how Lebron's teammates were cold in Overtime of Pelicans game because he dominated the ball in the 4th quarter and scored 24 points.

[TommyGriffin]

Remember how Lebron's teammates were cold in Overtime of Pelicans game because he dominated the ball in the 4th quarter and scored 24 points.

Actually I do. Since most of you guys know I am a huge New Orleans fan and also a fan of the Cavaliers as well, I had this one marked down on my calender. LeBron's ball domination is what leads to the other scoring threats on our team to going cold. LeBron needs to incorporate more off ball game into our offense. On the other hand when Steph Curry utilizes both on and off ball play it gets the rest of the team involved within the offense.

[LikeABosh]

Because his shooting percentages are ridiculous. Made shots don't stagnate an offense...

[juju151111]

Offball movement. Look at Mj and Curry now

[jlip]

In addition to what others have said, he's only attempting 20 shots per game. That's not an unusually high number of field goals. Combine that with the fact that they play at one of the fastest paces in the league it's easy to see how 20 fga per game would not stagnate the Warriors' offense.

[CarlosBoozer]

They rarely ISO, up-tempo basketball + tons of screens = great shot selections

His shooting is insane also, so he can takes crazy shots in a second without having to dribble for 20 seconds.

[pauk]

He leads the League in FGA's despite his relatively low minutes. What's his secret and how do other stars replicate it?

Thats how:

http://www.nba.com/games/20151216/PHXGSW/gameinfo.html?ls=iref:nba:scoreboard

[IllegalD]

This.


Curry often puts up shots while only having actually held the ball for a couple seconds of the possession.

Whereas someone like Kobe uses up 23 seconds for every FGA. So if he and Curry take the same number of shots, Kobe spent a lot more cumulative time hording the ball and stagnating the offense.

#rentfree

[sammichoffate]

He sees plays develop 2 or 3 steps ahead of the defense and picks his spots almost like a surgeon does. Mix in his godly shooting and teamwork, you get high number of shots+makes

[I<3NBA]

you can take a lot of shots and still not stagnate the offense so long as you don't hold the ball for long and shoot within the flow of the offense.

[Micku]

Offball movement. Look at Mj and Curry now

I was going to say, MJ was like that. Shooting at a very high volume, but not breaking the offense. At least most of the times. You do do see him breaking the offense from time to time, but when he made a move, it was quick. He'll dribble like once and twice and then shoot. Kobe also commented on how quick he was to get himself open enough for the shot.

Curry gets his shot off much quicker than MJ and his off the ball movement is insane.

[mehyaM24]

being the goat shooter kinda helps :confusedshrug:

[wally_world]

all of you guys are wrong

answer is pace

[3ball]

Mixing off and on ball play and being the greatest shooter in the history of the game.



Jordan's jumpshot was better than Curry's from inside 20 feet:



.....................MJ 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)...................Cur ry 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)............ Curry 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/)

5-9 ft.......... 49.2%, 126 fga........... 40.3%, 72 fga.......... 57.1%, 28 fga

10-14 ft....... 51.5%, 466 fga........... 52.9%, 85 fga.......... 45.0%, 20 fga

15-19 ft....... 49.5%, 594 fga........... 43.9%, 132 fga........ 43.2%, 44 fga



Overall midrange % (all shots inside the 3-point line but outside the paint)

JORDAN 1997: 49.3%, 1202 fga
CURRY.. 2015: 41.1%, 285 fga
CURRY.. 2016: 43.8%, 73 fga


MJ was the far better shooter inside 20 feet... Anyone that disagrees must explain why Curry shoots FAR worse percentage inside 20 feet..

[ShawkFactory]

Remember how Lebron's teammates were cold in Overtime of Pelicans game because he dominated the ball in the 4th quarter and scored 24 points.
And had one of his teammates gotten hot in OT you would have called his team stacked or consider him "carried".

He scored 24 points in the 4th, leading his team back from way down, and you make it a negative :lol

[3ball]

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Efficiency at high volume - players with 25+ FGA and 45% FG


Regular Season:

Michael Jordan: 1987, 1993
Rick Barry:..... 1967, 1975
Bob McAdoo:... 1975
George Gervin: 1982
Kobe Bryant:... 2006
Elgin Baylor:... 1963
Tiny Archibald: 1973
Dominique:..... 1988


Playoffs (10 game min):

*Michael Jordan:.... 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1997, 1998
Elgin Baylor:......... 1960, 1961, 1968
Bob McAdoo:......... 1974, 1975
George Gervin:...... 1975, 1982
Jerry West:........... 1966
Rick Barry:........... 1977
Hakeem Olajuwon:. 1995
Kobe Bryant:......... 2007
Dominique:........... 1988
Allen Iverson:........ 2005
Kareem Jabbar:..... 1975


* Averaged 25.1 FGA and 48.7 FG% for his playoff career


Notice that Lebron is not on the list - the 2015 playoffs were Lebron's first high volume playoffs and we saw what happened when the high volume (27 fga) forced him to stray from his normal diet of 3-pointers and layups - he shot an abysmal 41%.. Unfortunately, Lebron has poor efficiency at the additional midrange and isolations required of high volume shooting, so he can't shoot well at high volume or require a double-team to PREVENT high volume.

In the Finals, he only shot 39% - it benefited the Warriors every time he shot, so they encouraged his high volume by not double-teaming.. They only double-teamed him 18 times in the entire Finals.. Compare that to MJ, where his high efficiency at high volume caused teams to double-team him 10+ times in a single quarter, as a standard (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) - teams couldn't afford high volume from Jordan, since it was accompanied by high efficiency too..

But the REAL holy grail of basketball skill is far greater than controlling pace with high volume like Lebron, or adding good efficiency to the high volume like MJ.. The real holy grail is good efficiency at high volume while winning championships because the high volume must be achieved within the team concept - the only players that reached this holy grail of basketball skill (25+ shot attempts on 45%+ during a championship playoff run) is MJ (1992, 1993, 1997, and 1998) and Hakeem (1995).. Ultimately, their elite midrange efficiency allowed them to shoot well at high volume.

As the stats show below, Jordan is the most efficient high volume shooter of all time.. Jordan simply DID MORE (higher volume) at the same efficiency.

If Kobe, Curry or Lebron could shoot a higher volume at the same efficiency - they would... But they can't - only Jordan is capable of maintaining the same efficiency at very high volume.


Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:.... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
CURRY:... 32.6 pts.. 0.9 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 9.1 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 0.2 blk.. 24.8 fga.. 115 ORtg.. 59.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts


Considering the #2 thru #7 guys are between 32 and 36 points, you'd think the #1 guy would be at 37 or 38... But MJ is a 43.3 points, which is all alone and far above the pack - MJ simply did more (higher volume) while still maintaining equal or better efficiency.

[DavisIsMyUniBro]

Jordan's jumpshot was better than Curry's from inside 20 feet:



.....................MJ 1997 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)...................Cur ry 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)............ Curry 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/stats/shooting/)

5-9 ft.......... 49.2%, 126 fga........... 40.3%, 72 fga.......... 57.1%, 28 fga

10-14 ft....... 51.5%, 466 fga........... 52.9%, 85 fga.......... 45.0%, 20 fga

15-19 ft....... 49.5%, 594 fga........... 43.9%, 132 fga........ 43.2%, 44 fga

Wtf



Overall midrange % (all shots inside the 3-point line but outside the paint)

JORDAN 1997: 49.3%, 1202 fga
CURRY.. 2015: 41.1%, 285 fga
CURRY.. 2016: 43.8%, 73 fga


MJ was the far better shooter inside 20 feet... Anyone that disagrees must explain why Curry shoots FAR worse percentage inside 20 feet..


Wtf, first of all, it's volume related. If curry is taking 0.055% of his shots from there, chances are it won't show his true ability

Changed up his form a bit in 2013-14, shot a bit more from there, and hit 56% from 10-16 feet

Curious why the cutoff is 20 feet.

From 16 feet to te 3 point line, curry shoots 51%

Also, he is shooting 46% from midrange lol. Where the hell did u get ur data.

So 3% from midrange offsets 20% from 3? Sure.

[DavisIsMyUniBro]

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Efficiency at high volume - players with 25+ FGA and 45% FG


Regular Season:

Michael Jordan: 1987, 1993
Rick Barry:..... 1967, 1975
Bob McAdoo:... 1975
George Gervin: 1982
Kobe Bryant:... 2006
Elgin Baylor:... 1963
Tiny Archibald: 1973
Dominique:..... 1988


Playoffs (10 game min):

*Michael Jordan:.... 1988, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1997, 1998
Elgin Baylor:......... 1960, 1961, 1968
Bob McAdoo:......... 1974, 1975
George Gervin:...... 1975, 1982
Jerry West:........... 1966
Rick Barry:........... 1977
Hakeem Olajuwon:. 1995
Kobe Bryant:......... 2007
Dominique:........... 1988
Allen Iverson:........ 2005
Kareem Jabbar:..... 1975


* Averaged 25.1 FGA and 48.7 FG% for his playoff career


Notice that Lebron is not on the list - the 2015 playoffs were Lebron's first high volume playoffs and we saw what happened when the high volume (27 fga) forced him to stray from his normal diet of 3-pointers and layups - he shot an abysmal 41%.. Unfortunately, Lebron has poor efficiency at the additional midrange and isolations required of high volume shooting, so he can't shoot well at high volume or require a double-team to PREVENT high volume.

In the Finals, he only shot 39% - it benefited the Warriors every time he shot, so they encouraged his high volume by not double-teaming.. They only double-teamed him 18 times in the entire Finals.. Compare that to MJ, where his high efficiency at high volume caused teams to double-team him 10+ times in a single quarter, as a standard (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) - teams couldn't afford high volume from Jordan, since it was accompanied by high efficiency too..

But the REAL holy grail of basketball skill is far greater than controlling pace with high volume like Lebron, or adding good efficiency to the high volume like MJ.. The real holy grail is good efficiency at high volume while winning championships because the high volume must be achieved within the team concept - the only players that reached this holy grail of basketball skill (25+ shot attempts on 45%+ during a championship playoff run) is MJ (1992, 1993, 1997, and 1998) and Hakeem (1995).. Ultimately, their elite midrange efficiency allowed them to shoot well at high volume.

As the stats show below, Jordan is the most efficient high volume shooter of all time.. Jordan simply DID MORE (higher volume) at the same efficiency.

If Kobe, Curry or Lebron could shoot a higher volume at the same efficiency - they would... But they can't - only Jordan is capable of maintaining the same efficiency at very high volume.


Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:.... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
CURRY:... 32.6 pts.. 0.9 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 9.1 ast.. 4.7 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 0.2 blk.. 24.8 fga.. 115 ORtg.. 59.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts


Considering the #2 thru #7 guys are between 32 and 36 points, you'd think the #1 guy would be at 37 or 38... But MJ is a 43.3 points, which is all alone and far above the pack - MJ simply did more (higher volume) while still maintaining equal or better efficiency.

I guess that curry showed no improvement from this year and last year.

Wait...

[konex]

Because the theory of a "stagnating" the offense is BS pushed by inferior players hungry for touches and clueless media members.

If a guy is scoring efficiently, you keep going to him until the other teams adjust. That's just common sense. GS plays a very fast pace so the other guys still get shots up besides Steph and Klay. If they were playing a slower pace, there would be a varying degree of grumbling depending on if they were winning or losing.