F@(% what the PC police say, Christmas IS about Jesus's bday

[hateraid]

I don't give a shit what the Pagans, Wiccans, Athiests, Hobbits, or anyone says. I don't give flying fart what people say technically when Jesus was born and this day was some sort of Non-Christian practice. This day was designated to be Jesus's bday and intended to be celebrated that way. Just live with it and accept it. As a Christian I welcome EVERYBODY to celebrate it, even if you don't believe in JC-Money!

And I hate that I can't say "Merry Christmas" without offending anyone. **** you and Merry Christmas ISH! MEEERRRRRYY F-IN Christmas!

[DonDadda59]

I don't give a shit what the Pagans, Wiccans, Athiests, Hobbits, or anyone says. I don't give flying fart what people say technically when Jesus was born and this day was some sort of Non-Christian practice. This day was designated to be Jesus's bday and intended to be celebrated that way. Just live with it and accept it. As a Christian I welcome EVERYBODY to celebrate it, even if you don't believe in JC-Money!

And I hate that I can't say "Merry Christmas" without offending anyone. **** you and Merry Christmas ISH! MEEERRRRRYY F-IN Christmas!


http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/outward/2015/09/17/south_park_takes_on_caitlyn_jenner_s_heroism_in_it s_season_19_premiere/screen_shot_20150917_at_4.21.48_pm.png.CROP.promo-mediumlarge.png

[Levity]

i always thought christmas was santa's birthday :facepalm

[Akrazotile]

I don't give a shit what the Pagans, Wiccans, Athiests, Hobbits, or anyone says. I don't give flying fart what people say technically when Jesus was born and this day was some sort of Non-Christian practice. This day was designated to be Jesus's bday and intended to be celebrated that way. Just live with it and accept it. As a Christian I welcome EVERYBODY to celebrate it, even if you don't believe in JC-Money!

And I hate that I can't say "Merry Christmas" without offending anyone. **** you and Merry Christmas ISH! MEEERRRRRYY F-IN Christmas!


And the thing is, I personally am not a strongly religious person, but I grew up celebrating Christmas, loving this time of year, the festivities, the decorations, the music. It's a wonderful season.

And coffee cups that say Merry Christmas don't FORCE anyone to believe or be a part of what they don't wish to. Nor do decorated pine trees in public squares.

It's a freaking awesome and fun time of year. The idea that we can't "offend" immigrants or atheists by being public about Christmas? How bout these people assimilate and ****ing APPRECIATE the spirit of Christmas, regardless of the religious context. Everything about the message is positive. Be an American and fukking enjoy it, instead of a coddled and entitled separatist fggot.

The idea that anyone could possibly be offended by being wished Merry Christmas is so utterly absurd, I don't even know what to say. It's all about pathetic losers who resent not being part of the big group, want try and make everything about what they want. Dudes are the most saltiest, resentful clowns ever. "Yeah, let's take down Christmas from public places, arggrrgghhh! Liberals 4 lifeeee!"

Losers.

[hateraid]

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/outward/2015/09/17/south_park_takes_on_caitlyn_jenner_s_heroism_in_it s_season_19_premiere/screen_shot_20150917_at_4.21.48_pm.png.CROP.promo-mediumlarge.png

I don't quite get the reference, but hell yeah!

[hateraid]

And the thing is, I personally am not a strongly religious person, but I grew up celebrating Christmas, loving this time of year, the festivities, the decorations, the music. It's a wonderful season.

And coffee cups that say Merry Christmas don't FORCE anyone to believe or be a part of what they don't wish to. Nor do decorated pine trees in public squares.

It's a freaking awesome and fun time of year. The idea that we can't "offend" immigrants or atheists by being public about Christmas? How bout these people assimilate and ****ing APPRECIATE the spirit of Christmas, regardless of the religious context. Everything about the message is positive. Be an American and fukking enjoy it, instead of a coddled and entitled separatist fggot.

The idea that anyone could possibly be offended by being wished Merry Christmas is so utterly absurd, I don't even know what to say. It's all about pathetic losers who resent not being part of the big group, want try and make everything about what they want. Dudes are the most saltiest, resentful clowns ever. "Yeah, let's take down Christmas from public places, arggrrgghhh! Liberals 4 lifeeee!"

Losers.
Hear ye, Hear ye:
I vote Akrazotile the voice of ISH. MERRY CHRISTMAS bruh!
PS, what is an Akrazotile? I've been meaning to ask that for a while

[hateraid]

i always thought christmas was santa's birthday :facepalm
JC-Money is the CEO. Santa is his sales rep

[Akrazotile]

Hear ye, Hear ye:
I vote Akrazotile the voice of ISH. MERRY CHRISTMAS bruh!
PS, what is an Akrazotile? I've been meaning to ask that for a while


Basically I used to get banned so often that eventually I just started making up words as usernames. Figured they wouldn't last very long anyway. :lol

Merry Christmas! :cheers:

[Kungfro]

I only celebrate Festivus.

[DonDadda59]

I don't quite get the reference, but hell yeah!

Woo Woo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXF8MIG_HQI) :dancin

[hateraid]

Basically I used to get banned so often that eventually I just started making up words as usernames. Figured they wouldn't last very long anyway. :lol

Merry Christmas! :cheers:

Wait, this is an alt username? I've been Akrazotiled!!

Merry Christmas!!!!

[knickballer]

Technically Christmas is kind of a pagan holiday.... but i do agree with your point in general. I remember last year at my uni there were kids who changed the secret santa to secret snowflake because it may offend some people. If you're getting offended by shit like that you need to STFU because you probably have it great in life to worry about obscure shit.

[hateraid]

Woo Woo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXF8MIG_HQI) :dancin

**** them boyz!
This reminds me, I need to start getting back into South Park. I love the direction it's going in

[Akrazotile]

Woo Woo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXF8MIG_HQI) :dancin


It's not an entirely accurate portrayal, as those fictional cartoon guys have much greater semblance of masculinity than the real life, limp-wristed, awkward emo PC crowd.


http://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/upload/2014/11/8/1415477673729-tolerant_liberal.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FbEf37-wE1w/T58YalIodXI/AAAAAAAACIw/6nu6km4J2t8/s1600/DSC_0103.jpg
https://saboteur365.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/nerdy-liberal-white-college-student-male.jpg
http://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/29608040-3e27-11e5-a580-5d86ec2e3b6f-300x230.jpg

GOAT dweebs of society.



Whereas:


http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/225/366/35k5zq.jpg

If he says how he feels, he's alright with me :applause:

[senelcoolidge]

Jesus was born some time around June I think. I've never been a big celebrator of the holiday..like having a Christmas tree and what else. But understand it's significance. I want my kids to enjoy the holiday.

[oarabbus]

As a non-Christian who finds organized religion bs,

Merry Christmas :cheers:

[hateraid]

As a non-Christian who finds organized religion bs,

Merry Christmas :cheers:

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/76/7619ea9d6f3c8a3d4f13bc0651a05012ac301c4b6a17d81224 63b20a0e3683a6.jpg

[Patrick Chewing]

Jesus was the Alpha males of all Alpha males.


Praise be to him. Merry Christmas.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

One of the greatest men who ever lived.

May all of mankind integrate his teachings into their knowledge database.

[Norcaliblunt]

**** that I'm running with all the sexy moon goddess bitches **** a sun god.

[imdaman99]

Prophet Isa, deserves everyone's love :cheers:

[hateraid]

So, you like being wrong and celebrating an appropriated pagan holiday? Cool.

Say 'Merry Christmas' all you want, but it was pagan first.

Who cares who started it. It is currently celebrated as the birth of Christ. The majority of the known world recognizes it. Deal with it instead of convincing the world what you think based on technicality.

Jesus born on December 25th. :banana:
Happy bday JC!
Merry Christmas Prof!

[hateraid]

One of the greatest men who ever lived.

May all of mankind integrate his teachings into their knowledge database.

He loves you J$. Equally as he loves me. You are welcome to his birthday party :djparty

[NumberSix]

One of the greatest men who ever lived.

May all of mankind integrate his teachings into their knowledge database.
According to his teachings, things aren't going to work out too well for you...



Satan will be released from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

[hateraid]

Jesus was the Alpha males of all Alpha males.


Praise be to him. Merry Christmas.

https://45.media.tumblr.com/3367701bc60946d67f87e5c0d4eb1429/tumblr_nyo0c5ZdLx1ty3xj8o1_500.gif

[Nick Young]

Christmas is about Winter Solstice. Jesus was born June 13-19.


It's not PC, it's fact. LEARN TO DEAL BREH

http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/biblical-evidence-shows-jesus-christ-wasnt-born-on-dec-25

[hateraid]

Christmas is about Winter Solstice. Jesus was born June 13-19.


It's not PC, it's fact. LEARN TO DEAL BREH

http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/biblical-evidence-shows-jesus-christ-wasnt-born-on-dec-25

Jesus has the authority to over rule. He wants his birthday on December 25th, his pops provideth

Merry Christmas Nick Young. You still my boy :cheers:

[Nick Young]

Jesus has the authority to over rule. He wants his birthday on December 25th, his pops provideth

Merry Christmas Nick Young. You still my boy :cheers:
Jesus probably wouldn't have wanted his birthday to be celebrated at all TBH, except by his disciple bros and his ho Mary Mags.

The whole family coming together for Christmas thing, Jesus would have just wanted families to be together every day, and for people to focus on living moral lives rather than celebrating his birthday.


Jesus is definitely one of the GOAT humans.

Doesn't change the fact Christmas is based on Winter Solstice, happy winter solstice its Dec 22 this year:cheers:

[Dresta]

It is, and has clearly been about Jesus for many centuries - if it isn't about that, then, what is it about exactly? Mindless and socially enforced group consumerism? The compulsion to make merry and celebrate something for no actual reason?

Whoopee!

It's not like it isn't the standard norm for religions to incorporate some of the local customs of the time into its doctrine, and to use them for its own unified purpose (christianity is riddle through with the influence of pagan customs, which is only natural, considering its origin). The fact pagan celebrations around that time of year predate the celebration of it as the birth of Jesus is rather unimportant, considering it being celebrated as a liturgical feast to signify the birth of Jesus (as if it matters whether it was his actual date of birth - this is just an example of fitting a new story to older customs) dates back to the 4th century:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronography_of_354

[ace23]

Lol **** Jesus

[UK2K]

And the thing is, I personally am not a strongly religious person, but I grew up celebrating Christmas, loving this time of year, the festivities, the decorations, the music. It's a wonderful season.

And coffee cups that say Merry Christmas don't FORCE anyone to believe or be a part of what they don't wish to. Nor do decorated pine trees in public squares.

It's a freaking awesome and fun time of year. The idea that we can't "offend" immigrants or atheists by being public about Christmas? How bout these people assimilate and ****ing APPRECIATE the spirit of Christmas, regardless of the religious context. Everything about the message is positive. Be an American and fukking enjoy it, instead of a coddled and entitled separatist fggot.

The idea that anyone could possibly be offended by being wished Merry Christmas is so utterly absurd, I don't even know what to say. It's all about pathetic losers who resent not being part of the big group, want try and make everything about what they want. Dudes are the most saltiest, resentful clowns ever. "Yeah, let's take down Christmas from public places, arggrrgghhh! Liberals 4 lifeeee!"

Losers.

Same. I'm not religious in the least bit, but I still love Christmas.

I've yet to have someone be offended when I said Merry Christmas, but I'm excited for the day.

[iamgine]

I only celebrate Festivus.
lol just watched this yesterday

[Patrick Chewing]

Lol **** Jesus


Racist! Anti-Semite! Blasphemer!

[hateraid]

Telling other people to **** off isn't really the spirit of Christmas.

also I always laugh at the thought of Filipinos being hardcore Christians. Their flag is pretty much the only homegrown culture they have.

Philippines is the only foreign nation that practices Christianity? I didn't know that. I'll ask my South American friends. They might provide good insight.

But have a Merry Christmas!

[hateraid]

Lol **** Jesus

Jesus still loves you and invites you to his birthday celebration. If you're good you might get a legit rap game in your stocking!

[hateraid]

It is, and has clearly been about Jesus for many centuries - if it isn't about that, then, what is it about exactly? Mindless and socially enforced group consumerism? The compulsion to make merry and celebrate something for no actual reason?

Whoopee!

It's not like it isn't the standard norm for religions to incorporate some of the local customs of the time into its doctrine, and to use them for its own unified purpose (christianity is riddle through with the influence of pagan customs, which is only natural, considering its origin). The fact pagan celebrations around that time of year predate the celebration of it as the birth of Jesus is rather unimportant, considering it being celebrated as a liturgical feast to signify the birth of Jesus (as if it matters whether it was his actual date of birth - this is just an example of fitting a new story to older customs) dates back to the 4th century:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronography_of_354
:applause:

And that's the bottom line!
Merry Christmas Dresta!

[NumberSix]

Who gives a f*ck about Jesus? You have no right to say that is more valid than what the pagans believed or celebrated.

For tue most part, pople don't celebrate Jesus' birthday; they celebrate family, togetherness, and commercialism. Christmas is only vaguely religious and has nothing to do with Jesus unless you make it a part of the holiday. Plenty of Jews and other religions celebrate Christmas because it's fun. Stop being a bummer. You trying to make statements like this are what allows people to hate on the day.


Celebrating the solstice >>> celebrating some fake birthday of a guy who we all know would be born in a different time of year based on astrological evidence, but they co-opted something else to gain power over them.

Merry xmas.
Yes he does. He has a right to say whatever he wants.

[hateraid]

Who gives a f*ck about Jesus? You have no right to say that is more valid than what the pagans believed or celebrated.

For tue most part, pople don't celebrate Jesus' birthday; they celebrate family, togetherness, and commercialism. Christmas is only vaguely religious and has nothing to do with Jesus unless you make it a part of the holiday. Plenty of Jews and other religions celebrate Christmas because it's fun. Stop being a bummer. You trying to make statements like this are what allows people to hate on the day.


Celebrating the solstice >>> celebrating some fake birthday of a guy who we all know would be born in a different time of year based on astrological evidence, but they co-opted something else to gain power over them.

Merry xmas.

Me? Seems like you've taken this more personally than I have. There is salt all over your post. I know you love pepper so I'll spinkle some on there as well.
Jesus understands, and he still wants you and your Pagan cuckblocking ass to celebrate with him on his glorious day!
Merry Christmas to you too!

[hateraid]

Yes he does. He has a right to say whatever he wants.

Thank you. I will pray for you on the Eve of Jesus's bday when I am at Christmas mass. Merry Christmas NumberSix. Who by the way is the number of another man I worship who's name starts with a J. Julius Erving.

[hateraid]

5 more days until Jesus was born! Let us all rejoice!

[Segatti]

but Jesus is dead, it doesn't make sense to celebrate his birthday anymore :confusedshrug:

[hateraid]

but Jesus is dead, it doesn't make sense to celebrate his birthday anymore :confusedshrug:
He did not die. He is risen. He lives within us all

2 days till Jesus's bday!

[chosen_one6]

Christmas is about getting people to spend shit tons of money on gifts. That's what Christmas is about. No one gives a f*ck about some middle eastern dude that was the only person to ever die and come back to life (allegedly)

[hateraid]

Christmas is about getting people to spend shit tons of money on gifts. That's what Christmas is about. No one gives a f*ck about some middle eastern dude that was the only person to ever die and come back to life (allegedly)
And despite all your ignorance he still cares about you. Kind of beautiful isn't it?

Merry Christmas!

[TonyMontana]

Christmas is not about a 2000+ year old rabbi born from a "virgin". Lol

Christmas is an original pagan holiday that was around way before Christianity.

Santa Claus is based on the creator god(some may know him as Odin), trees, gift giving, all of that. all part of the Winter Solstice.

[hateraid]

Christmas is not about a 2000+ year old rabbi born from a "virgin". Lol

Christmas is an original pagan holiday that was around way before Christianity.

Santa Claus is based on the creator god(some may know him as Odin), trees, gift giving, all of that. all part of the Winter Solstice.

C'mon T-Dog! You know better than that! It's not about what it used to be, it only matters what the world knows now. The day is celebrated to recognize the birth of JC$. Are we gonna recognize America as Injun courty because that's what it used to be?

Jesus was born on the 25th. The world celebrates it. Join along and rejoice!

[Clifton]

For all those speaking about events that happened 1600-2000 years ago with the same certainty you would talk about the color of the pens on your desk:


Jesus was born some time around June I think.

Technically Christmas is kind of a pagan holiday

Let me know what you think about this article, written by a friend of mine who has actually done original-language research on the subject, in the form of a "Thomistic proof": (the first 3 paragraphs are contrary theses he will later argue against)

On the Date of Christmas

Whether the Nativity of Christ is suitably celebrated on the 25th of December.

Obj 1. It seems not. For the shepherds were keeping a night watch (Luke 2:8). But December 25th is in the winter, and it would be unreasonably cold. Therefore, Christ was more likely born in the spring.

Obj. 2. The Church did not originally celebrate His nativity on Dec. 25th, but rather as part of the Feast of Epiphany. Rather, we read that pagans worshipped a sun god on the 25th of December. The Church started to celebrate the Nativity on the 25th in order to counteract this, and not because He was born then.

Obj. 3 Zachary was a priest, of the course of Abia (Luke 1:5). He would have therefore served in the Temple on the 10 week of the Jewish year. This is because the course of Abia serves 8th in turn in the temple, but the 3rd week is Passover, when all priests served in the temple, and between the 4th week and 10 is Sha'vuot where the same happens. (1 Chronicles 24:1-19) This would place Zachary in the Temple in the 2nd week of Sivan (May/June). John the Baptist was conceived shortly thereafter, and born 9 months later. Christ was conceived 6 months after John. Therefore Christ was born around the 15th of Tishri, on the Feast of Sukkot, which is in Fall (Sept-October). Therefore, etc.

Sed Contra, the tradition of the Church.

I answer that the fittingness of the 25th of December can be shown in three ways.Firstly, when the feast was established, the 25th marked the winter solstice. John the Baptist would be placed on the summer solstice John was the greatest of the OT prophets, the last light of the Old Testament. But he must decrease, and Christ must increase. The sun and light give way to darkness, until the birth of Christ. Every day hence the light grows, until, near Easter (based on the vernal equinox) it overcomes the night and predominates. Hence the liturgical cycle manifests the truth of His nativity in history through the very course of the seasons, and this is fitting that God's creation should also show His greatest work.

Second, the priests in the course of Abia would have served not only on the 10th week but also the 34th week. The description in Luke 1 of Zachary's temple service does not fit with an ordinary week, as the 10th would be, as the people were gathered and he entered alone, with the doors shut. It does fit with the 34th week, or Yom Kippur, which is later September through October in our calendar, depending on the year and placement of intercalary months. This places John the Baptist's birth in Tammuz (June/July) and consequently Christ's conception in Nisan (March/April) and his birth in Tevet (late December). This is further fitting, as ancient Jewish tradition is that prophets enter and exit the world on the same day, and Christ was crucified in Nisan and conceived in Nisan. While attempts to calculate an exact date using the Jewish calendar are elusive, as the year does not match up exactly with our calendar system nor do we know when intercalary months were inserted, scripture shows a range including December 25, +/- a couple of weeks.

Lastly, this date is consistently held and defended in the tradition, already being known to Tertullian in the late 2nd century, prior to any record of a pagan holiday of Sol Invictus which is first recorded in 354 AD, and shows Christian influence on it. And the Saturnalia were over before the 25th. Hence, there is no reason to suppose that any appropriation of a pagan holiday was the motive. Further, the date was accepted prior to any known feast being celebrated, with the feast only being known to have been established in the 4th century, but the date of His birth being asserted as the 25th of December by Tertullian, Sextus Julius Africanus (c. 220) and many others, all referencing already accepted tradition.

Ad 1. This argument was invented by continental "scholars" who wrongly presumed winters in Bethlehem to be like theirs in Germany. We know from early Jewish records, and even contemporary practice, that sheep feed outside all year around in Bethlehem.

Ad 2. Even were a pagan festival to have been appropriated, this would not have made the date any less fitting or true. Appropriation of such dates in order to quell false belief is legitimate. Further, the same cosmological and seasonal reasons for pagan festivals may be legitimate signs used for Christian ones as well. That His nativity was celebrated in Epiphany is no objection, as the tendency in liturgical history has been to make newer, separate celebrations of more particular aspects of a mystery. Just as His baptism was the primary focus of Epiphany, but is now commemorated in its own feast as well, so too, the Nativity belongs to the Epiphany or Theophany as an essential element but is deservedly celebrated in an especial manner on its own day

Ad 3. Clear from the above

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Anyway, even if the Christians pasted Christmas onto a pagan holiday (in the manner of covering up graffiti - do you have any idea what "pagan holiday" used to mean?), and Jesus was actually born some other time, it's pretty clear that modern society has in its turn pasted its own version of Christmas (the season of gift-buying and gift-receiving; the "final push" of the commercial year) on top of that of the Christians, so it makes no difference to me what you call it. If you care about Jesus, you and I can say Merry Christmas to each other and mean something by it.... if not, "Happy Holidays" or "enjoy this brief cultural respite from the cold winter season" is fine.

[Dresta]

Look, if Christmas is about the winter solstice and buying presents, then you should really be calling it something else shouldn't you?

I love how people think they can just appropriate the things they like from religious traditions (while repudiating and ridiculing the faith on which they are based), and then pretend they'd still be there had there not been that same religious tradition.

Tis just silly really.

[GIF REACTION]

Look, if Christmas is about the winter solstice and buying presents, then you should really be calling it something else shouldn't you?

I love how people think they can just appropriate the things they like from religious traditions (while repudiating and ridiculing the faith on which they are based), and then pretend they'd still be there had there not been that same religious tradition.

Tis just silly really.
What are your thoughts on marriage as a religious sanctity over it being a lawful jurisdiction? Subsequently what are your thoughts thus on gay marriage?

[LJJ]

Celebrated winter solstice with some homemade tangyuan. Gonna celebrate Christmas with some delicious steak. I don't care what you wanted to celebrate or what you want to call it, just keep the delicious food coming.

**** dat Jesus shit tho.

[hateraid]

For all those speaking about events that happened 1600-2000 years ago with the same certainty you would talk about the color of the pens on your desk:




Let me know what you think about this article, written by a friend of mine who has actually done original-language research on the subject, in the form of a "Thomistic proof": (the first 3 paragraphs are contrary theses he will later argue against)

On the Date of Christmas

Whether the Nativity of Christ is suitably celebrated on the 25th of December.

Obj 1. It seems not. For the shepherds were keeping a night watch (Luke 2:8). But December 25th is in the winter, and it would be unreasonably cold. Therefore, Christ was more likely born in the spring.

Obj. 2. The Church did not originally celebrate His nativity on Dec. 25th, but rather as part of the Feast of Epiphany. Rather, we read that pagans worshipped a sun god on the 25th of December. The Church started to celebrate the Nativity on the 25th in order to counteract this, and not because He was born then.

Obj. 3 Zachary was a priest, of the course of Abia (Luke 1:5). He would have therefore served in the Temple on the 10 week of the Jewish year. This is because the course of Abia serves 8th in turn in the temple, but the 3rd week is Passover, when all priests served in the temple, and between the 4th week and 10 is Sha'vuot where the same happens. (1 Chronicles 24:1-19) This would place Zachary in the Temple in the 2nd week of Sivan (May/June). John the Baptist was conceived shortly thereafter, and born 9 months later. Christ was conceived 6 months after John. Therefore Christ was born around the 15th of Tishri, on the Feast of Sukkot, which is in Fall (Sept-October). Therefore, etc.

Sed Contra, the tradition of the Church.

I answer that the fittingness of the 25th of December can be shown in three ways.Firstly, when the feast was established, the 25th marked the winter solstice. John the Baptist would be placed on the summer solstice John was the greatest of the OT prophets, the last light of the Old Testament. But he must decrease, and Christ must increase. The sun and light give way to darkness, until the birth of Christ. Every day hence the light grows, until, near Easter (based on the vernal equinox) it overcomes the night and predominates. Hence the liturgical cycle manifests the truth of His nativity in history through the very course of the seasons, and this is fitting that God's creation should also show His greatest work.

Second, the priests in the course of Abia would have served not only on the 10th week but also the 34th week. The description in Luke 1 of Zachary's temple service does not fit with an ordinary week, as the 10th would be, as the people were gathered and he entered alone, with the doors shut. It does fit with the 34th week, or Yom Kippur, which is later September through October in our calendar, depending on the year and placement of intercalary months. This places John the Baptist's birth in Tammuz (June/July) and consequently Christ's conception in Nisan (March/April) and his birth in Tevet (late December). This is further fitting, as ancient Jewish tradition is that prophets enter and exit the world on the same day, and Christ was crucified in Nisan and conceived in Nisan. While attempts to calculate an exact date using the Jewish calendar are elusive, as the year does not match up exactly with our calendar system nor do we know when intercalary months were inserted, scripture shows a range including December 25, +/- a couple of weeks.

Lastly, this date is consistently held and defended in the tradition, already being known to Tertullian in the late 2nd century, prior to any record of a pagan holiday of Sol Invictus which is first recorded in 354 AD, and shows Christian influence on it. And the Saturnalia were over before the 25th. Hence, there is no reason to suppose that any appropriation of a pagan holiday was the motive. Further, the date was accepted prior to any known feast being celebrated, with the feast only being known to have been established in the 4th century, but the date of His birth being asserted as the 25th of December by Tertullian, Sextus Julius Africanus (c. 220) and many others, all referencing already accepted tradition.

Ad 1. This argument was invented by continental "scholars" who wrongly presumed winters in Bethlehem to be like theirs in Germany. We know from early Jewish records, and even contemporary practice, that sheep feed outside all year around in Bethlehem.

Ad 2. Even were a pagan festival to have been appropriated, this would not have made the date any less fitting or true. Appropriation of such dates in order to quell false belief is legitimate. Further, the same cosmological and seasonal reasons for pagan festivals may be legitimate signs used for Christian ones as well. That His nativity was celebrated in Epiphany is no objection, as the tendency in liturgical history has been to make newer, separate celebrations of more particular aspects of a mystery. Just as His baptism was the primary focus of Epiphany, but is now commemorated in its own feast as well, so too, the Nativity belongs to the Epiphany or Theophany as an essential element but is deservedly celebrated in an especial manner on its own day

Ad 3. Clear from the above

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Anyway, even if the Christians pasted Christmas onto a pagan holiday (in the manner of covering up graffiti - do you have any idea what "pagan holiday" used to mean?), and Jesus was actually born some other time, it's pretty clear that modern society has in its turn pasted its own version of Christmas (the season of gift-buying and gift-receiving; the "final push" of the commercial year) on top of that of the Christians, so it makes no difference to me what you call it. If you care about Jesus, you and I can say Merry Christmas to each other and mean something by it.... if not, "Happy Holidays" or "enjoy this brief cultural respite from the cold winter season" is fine.
:applause:

People are so dead set on trying to dial down Christian that they'll cling to any belief that discredits them. People don't know for certain whether or not. But the world currently recognizes it and it is a day that symbolizes that fact.

But great work and Merry Christmas my brother!

[hateraid]

Look, if Christmas is about the winter solstice and buying presents, then you should really be calling it something else shouldn't you?

I love how people think they can just appropriate the things they like from religious traditions (while repudiating and ridiculing the faith on which they are based), and then pretend they'd still be there had there not been that same religious tradition.

Tis just silly really.

It's the pagan cuckblocking mentality. They want to celebrate the selfish parts of Christmas without recognizing the actual reason.

Again, you are in my prayers this coming midnight Christmas Mass. Merry Christmas!

[hateraid]

Celebrated winter solstice with some homemade tangyuan. Gonna celebrate Christmas with some delicious steak. I don't care what you wanted to celebrate or what you want to call it, just keep the delicious food coming.

**** dat Jesus shit tho.

He loves you and never judges you. We must thank him for your holiday bounty!
Merry Christmas LJJ!

[DrakeTheSnake]

F@(% what the Christians say, Christmas IS about controlling the masses through religious brainwashing and capitalism.

[hateraid]

F@(% what the Christians say, Christmas IS about controlling the masses through religious brainwashing and capitalism.

Yet every present you ask for and open contributes to that idea. Have you heard the term you may be the source of your own problem?
But Jesus welcomes you to celebrate and encourages you open presents in him name.
Merry Christmas!

[hateraid]

Jesus lives! :party:

[BasedTom]

Who gives a f*ck about Jesus? You have no right to say that is more valid than what the pagans believed or celebrated.

For tue most part, pople don't celebrate Jesus' birthday; they celebrate family, togetherness, and commercialism. Christmas is only vaguely religious and has nothing to do with Jesus unless you make it a part of the holiday. Plenty of Jews and other religions celebrate Christmas because it's fun. Stop being a bummer. You trying to make statements like this are what allows people to hate on the day.


Celebrating the solstice >>> celebrating some fake birthday of a guy who we all know would be born in a different time of year based on astrological evidence, but they co-opted something else to gain power over them.

Merry xmas.
the irony is palpable tbh

[sammichoffate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrCoh9sQ28k
:banana:

[hateraid]

Oh night, Devine! Oh night, when Christ was born!

[Dresta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws9kr1k9c6A