Lebron James is the best player in the world

[VengefulAngel]

33-9-11 and CLUTCH DEFENSE!

Guarded Westbrook down the stretch...

[RRR3]

12-27 7 turnovers.



someone was gonna say it anyways so don't blame me

[stalkerforlife]

27 shots, 7 turnovers, and tried to choke it away.

33 on 27 shots is NOT good...by the way.

[Cocaine80s]

27 shots, 7 turnovers, and tried to choke it away.

33 on 27 shots is NOT good...by the way.
How about 1-14?

[Mr. Jabbar]

not even close. the servant forever lebitch's bitch tho :lol

[knicksman]

until he has a jumpshot, hell disappear once again in the finals. Another choke job coming.

[VengefulAngel]

12-27 7 turnovers.



someone was gonna say it anyways so don't blame me

I'm just trolling, he played like shit and they still won.

[stalkerforlife]

How about 1-14?

What about it?

[PsychoBe]

curry

[warriorfan]

Fuccing trolls

[Smoke117]

How about 1-14?

http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/kings/sites/default/files/4cads6q.gif

[WayOfWade]

Bump this thread Christmas Day and we'll see if it holds up

[SyRyanYang]

Almost choked the game away, missing 3-4 shots, a few turnovers and one baby killed.

[RRR3]

How about 1-14?
I'm not a Bean fan, though :lol


Bron is my boy :confusedshrug:

[VengefulAngel]

Bump this thread Christmas Day and we'll see if it holds up

If he does I'll edit the troll post, either way i'm a genius.

[Smoke117]

He iight I guezz

[Trollsmasher]

the most alpha man in the game for sure

he just killed another man's baby to stop him from spreading his inferior genes

[Lebronxrings]

hes amazing.

Scoring, passing, rebounding and guarding 1-5

[Cocaine80s]

I'm not a Bean fan, though :lol


Bron is my boy :confusedshrug:
I quoted stalker lol

[tmacattack33]

Decent game for Lebron...B+

Westbrook had an A-

Durant had a C+

[AintNoSunshine]

27 shots, 7 turnovers, and tried to choke it away.

33 on 27 shots is NOT good...by the way.

Kobe esque, in Kobe's prime that is.

Not that great of a game by the King. He just always owns the Servant

[k0kakw0rld]

until he has a jumpshot, hell disappear once again in the finals. Another choke job coming.
Well at least I know you still have your head on your shoulders which means you understand how irrelevant/pathetic, your team/franchise is. :cheers:

[Kingwillball]

Obviously.. who else would be ?

[knicksman]

Well at least I know you still have your head on your shoulders which means you understand how irrelevant/pathetic, your team/franchise is. :cheers:

at least im not a fakkit who bandwagons everyone:lol

[chazzy]

Obviously.. who else would be ?
The guy averaging 32/5/6 on 69 TS% on the team with 1 loss

[Cocaine80s]

at least im not a fakkit who bandwagons everyone:lol
Says "knicksman" who stans Kobe, Durant, and Westbrook. And not once ever posted about the knicks

[Kingwillball]

The guy averaging 32/5/6 on 69 TS% on the team with 1 loss


lol...silly, if u think he is u need to understand the game better. Best player is the most complete player not best shooter..

[PsychoBe]

lol...silly, if u think he is u need to understand the game better. Best player is the most complete player not best shooter..

wtf curry is virtually averaging the stats that bran put up today minus the turnovers :roll: :roll: :roll:

[knicksman]

lol...silly, if u think he is u need to understand the game better. Best player is the most complete player not best shooter..

Only those who doesnt understand the game thinks that every skill is as valuable as each other.LOL And most of them are bran stans aka statnerds who doesnt get why bran is 2/6.

[Kingwillball]

U saw in Finlas Lebron >> Curry and not even close.. When Curry Outplays Lebron in a series come talk to me Lebron was easily best player on Floor in Finals Iggy was #2 not even Curry..

[VengefulAngel]

wtf curry is virtually averaging the stats that bran put up today minus the turnovers :roll: :roll: :roll:

I agree Curry is better but no that is totally asinine. Lebron had more assists/rebounds/points/steals then Steph is averaging. That is an improvement in every stat.

Lebron is a better rebounder, passer and defender then Steph and averages less turnovers. Now is the gulf between shooting and scoring that large that it offsets this, the answer is yes at the moment. But if Steph regresses at some point during the season this will be a discussion.

[Gileraracer]

1.5*/6

[LikeABosh]

Curry, Durant etc. simply aren't THICK enough to be the best player in the world.

[jimmy77x]

Curry is the best player in the world now. Bran stans stay jealous :roll: :roll: :roll:

[VengefulAngel]

Curry is the best player in the world now. Bran stans stay jealous :roll: :roll: :roll:


I agree Curry is better but no that is totally asinine. Lebron had more assists/rebounds/points/steals then Steph is averaging. That is an improvement in every stat.

Lebron is a better rebounder, passer and defender then Steph and averages less turnovers. Now is the gulf between shooting and scoring that large that it offsets this, the answer is yes at the moment. But if Steph regresses at some point during the season this will be a discussion.


Read this, if you disagree with anything there we can have a discussion, otherwise you're not contributing anything to this thread apart from being a jackass.

[LBJFTW]

Read this, if you disagree with anything there we can have a discussion, otherwise you're not contributing anything to this thread apart from being a jackass.

People like winners like Curry, not 2/6 baby killers with hair plugs. Big bran fan here but stop pretending that this guy is something that he is not. There could be zero posts about Bron on ISH and no one would care.

[VengefulAngel]

People like winners like Curry, not 2/6 baby killers with hair plugs. Big bran fan here but stop pretending that this guy is something that he is not. There could be zero posts about Bron on ISH and no one would care.

Ok this paragraph is ridiculous, I could ask my 10 year old cousin to give an argument and I'm pretty sure he would come up with a more coherent reason.

First of all we aren't talking about a player's popularity, this isn't the discussion at hand. We are discussing which player impacts the game more and thus is the better player. As basketball is a team game you can have a player who is better but on a worse team, make sense?

I hate to break it to you but Lebron has won more then Steph, he has both more team success and individual accolades, ( 2 rings vs 1, 4 MVPS vs 1, 2 FMVP vs 2, more olympic medals).

[Straight_Ballin]

Honestly, anything that lebron has ever done is meaningless. This guy just travels not stop. His stats, rings, everything mean nothing. Anyone can put up good numbers if they don't play the game according to the rules. Eye test don't lie. If he played by the rules he would be a role player at best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptH0DyiomvE

[VengefulAngel]

Honestly, anything that lebron has ever done is meaningless. This guy just travels not stop. His stats, rings, everything mean nothing. Anyone can put up good numbers if they don't play the game according to the rules. Eye test don't lie. If he played by the rules he would be a role player at best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptH0DyiomvE

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

The refs are there to enforce the rules, it's been a long standing notion that superstars will get calls or non-calls. MJ was a beneficiary of many calls over the years. I can't believe that this is the best you could come up with.

[Straight_Ballin]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

The refs are there to enforce the rules, it's been a long standing notion that superstars will get calls or non-calls. MJ was a beneficiary of many calls over the years. I can't believe that this is the best you could come up with.

Still waiting on that MJ flop video.....

Just admit that you are wrong, and that Lebron only has the numbers that he does because he travels non stop and doesn't get called for it. MJ didn't get this treatment. There's maybe 5 times that Jordan blatenly traveled and didn't get called for it. I challenge you to find footage of more than 5 times. On the other hand, you can make an hour plus long video of Lebron travels.

[dubeta]

Still waiting on that MJ flop video.....

Just admit that you are wrong, and that Lebron only has the numbers that he does because he travels non stop and doesn't get called for it. MJ didn't get this treatment. There's maybe 5 times that Jordan blatenly traveled and didn't get called for it. I challenge you to find footage of more than 5 times. On the other hand, you can make an hour plus long video of Lebron travels.


LeBron living so deep in this old virgins head :lol

Shook
















1-9

[Segatti]

Honestly, anything that lebron has ever done is meaningless. This guy just travels not stop. His stats, rings, everything mean nothing. Anyone can put up good numbers if they don't play the game according to the rules. Eye test don't lie. If he played by the rules he would be a role player at best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptH0DyiomvE

Michael Jordan used PEDs, it's against the rules too :confusedshrug:

[G0ATbe]

Name one season where LeBalds been the best player in the league:lol .

Way I see it...

2003: Kobe/Shaq
2004: Kobe
2005: Kobe
2006: Kobe/Wade
2007: Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: Kobe/Wade
2010: Kobe
2011: Kobe/Wade
2012: Durant
2013: Durant/Kobe
2014: Durant
2015: Curry

[VengefulAngel]

Name one season where LeBalds been the best player in the league:lol .

Way I see it...

2003: Kobe/Shaq
2004: Kobe
2005: Kobe
2006: Kobe/Wade
2007: Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: Kobe
2010: Kobe
2011: Kobe/Wade
2012: Durant
2013: Durant/Kobe
2014: Durant
2015: Curry

You must be blind.

[dubeta]

Name one season where LeBalds been the best player in the league:lol .

Way I see it...

2003: Kobe/Shaq
2004: Kobe
2005: Kobe
2006: Kobe/Wade
2007: Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: Kobe/Wade
2010: Kobe
2011: Kobe/Wade
2012: Durant
2013: Durant/Kobe
2014: Durant
2015: Curry



I don't think Kobe's even been top 3 for a single season tbh

[tmacattack33]

Still waiting on that MJ flop video.....

Just admit that you are wrong, and that Lebron only has the numbers that he does because he travels non stop and doesn't get called for it. MJ didn't get this treatment. There's maybe 5 times that Jordan blatenly traveled and didn't get called for it. I challenge you to find footage of more than 5 times. On the other hand, you can make an hour plus long video of Lebron travels.

MJ benefited from touch fouls called against him, not traveling. He had tremendous footwork and fundamentals.

And basically everyone flops today, not everyone was flopping in MJ's time. And anyway, Lebron doesn't benefit from flops more than once a game or so, so that's irrelevant as far as bball goes. And if you are trying to attack Lebron's character, LOL, because MJ was known to be a complete azzhole off the court.

[3ball]

.
But he'll never top MJ


Playoffs Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 34.7 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 5.1 dreb.. 6.6 apg.. 3.3 tov.. 2.3 spg.. 1.0 blk.. 50.1 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 119 ORtg.. 29.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg.. 27.4 PER


Finals Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 36.3 ppg.. 6.6 rpg.. 7.9 apg.. 3.4 tov.. 2.0 spg.. 0.76 bpg.. 52.6 fg
Lebron: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg



Career Playoffs:

Jordan: 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg.. 27.4 PER


Career Finals:

Jordan: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.65 bpg.. 48.1 fg
Lebron: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg


Show me where a #1 option scored 5-10 more ppg on better efficiency and WASN'T considered the far better player - it's never happened - it's only possible in the minds of delusional Lebron fans

[bdreason]

Then the title should be a wrap this year, since he's also surrounded by 3 All-Stars and has little or no resistance on the way to the Finals.

No excuses.

[ArbitraryWater]

Then the title should be a wrap this year, since he's also surrounded by 3 All-Stars and has little or no resistance on the way to the Finals.

No excuses.

Oh no doubt... just like he was the best last year and the Cavs were the best team (obvious to anyone with some eyes). They destroyed the league post-trades/LeBron back & healthy. I think Curry had like 15 pts to Bron's 40 in the matchup? Resounding Cavaliers win, obv.

[dubeta]

Then the title should be a wrap this year, since he's also surrounded by 3 All-Stars and has little or no resistance on the way to the Finals.

No excuses.

Who are the 3 all-stars as his teammates?


Kyrie Irving is the only teammate he has that made the all-star team last year


So he has 1 all-star teammate as help, far less than other players.

[Straight_Ballin]

Who are the 3 all-stars as his teammates?


Kyrie Irving is the only teammate he has that made the all-star team last year


So he has 1 all-star teammate as help, far less than other players.

Doesn't matter if they made the all star team last year. He has 3 players on his team that have been all-stars at one time or another.

Kevin Love is a 3

[knicksman]

U saw in Finlas Lebron >> Curry and not even close.. When Curry Outplays Lebron in a series come talk to me Lebron was easily best player on Floor in Finals Iggy was #2 not even Curry..

Only an idiot would think bran/iggy>>curry. LOL The guy who hasnt proven that can win without colluding is better?

For anyone that understands basketball, This is the stat that matters the most. You cant statpad at this moment thus exposes the fake statpadders like bran and wilt.

Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991:
1) 1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (around 60% TS)
2) 2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
3) 2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
4) 1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
5) 1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
6) 2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
7) 1993 Michael Jordan 10.3
8) 2015 Lebron James 10.2 (51.7% TS)

So LOL at you for thinking that bran>>curry. Theres a reason why bran is 2/6 and you root for him coz you dont know jack shit.

[warriorfan]

Only an idiot would think bran/iggy>>curry. LOL The guy who hasnt proven that can win without colluding is better?

For anyone that understands basketball, This is the stat that matters the most. You cant statpad at this moment thus exposes the fake statpadders like bran and wilt.

Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991:
1) 1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (around 60% TS)
2) 2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
3) 2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
4) 1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
5) 1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
6) 2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
7) 1993 Michael Jordan 10.3
8) 2015 Lebron James 10.2 (51.7% TS)

So LOL at you for thinking that bran>>curry. Theres a reason why bran is 2/6 and you root for him coz you dont know jack shit.

well said

[tmacattack33]

[QUOTE=Straight_Ballin]Doesn't matter if they made the all star team last year. He has 3 players on his team that have been all-stars at one time or another.

Kevin Love is a 3

[TommyGriffin]

Some of you may already know that I am a die hard New Orleans Pelicans fan but I am also a fan of the Cavaliers as well. LeBron James has been a great player over the years but his title for best in the world is questionable. Especially since LeBron has come back home after Miami he just hasn't looked the same physically. He lost a lot of weight last year and looked not well and was getting bullied in the paint and ended up taking off lots of games for maintenance. Some of us question if this was the reason for Kyrie sustaining his injury due to placing a heavy workload on him while LeBron was in south beach. LeBron's back now looks like it's giving him trouble and that is usually the death blow for athletes. LeBrons jumpshot had also left and isn't coming back anytime soon so this looks like this will be our last year. We are quite stacked with love and Irving however so we should still be able to win.

[JtotheIzzo]

Not anymore, Bran dynasty is over, Curry is king

[Gileraracer]

1.5*/6 makes you best player in the world today.


Weak era :(

[LeBird]

It's been known. Lebron > Curry > Jordan.

[3ball]

1.5*/6 makes you best player in the world today.


Weak era :(
true

[3ball]

Not anymore, Bran dynasty is over, Curry is king
also true, except Lebron never had a dynasty or stayed with the same team, whereas Curry will do both

[3ball]

Counting Mo Williams as an all-star :roll:



:wtf: ... Looks like an all-star to me who averaged 18 ppg on 47% with elite 3-point shooting (44%):


http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/ESN_resources/Player%20Pictures/Basketball/MoWilliamsAllStarWeekend.jpg

[3ball]

It's been known. Lebron > Curry > Jordan.



Show me where a #1 option scored 5-10 more ppg on better efficiency and WASN'T considered the far better player - it's never happened - it's only possible in the minds of delusional Lebron fans


Playoffs Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 34.7 ppg.. 1.6 oreb.. 5.1 dreb.. 6.6 apg.. 3.3 tov.. 2.3 spg.. 1.0 blk.. 50.1 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 119 ORtg.. 29.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg.. 27.4 PER


Finals Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 36.3 ppg.. 6.6 rpg.. 7.9 apg.. 3.4 tov.. 2.0 spg.. 0.76 bpg.. 52.6 fg
Lebron: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg



Career Playoffs:

Jordan: 33.4 ppg.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 48.7 fg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ORtg.. 28.6 PER
Lebron: 28.2 ppg.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.2 dreb.. 6.7 apg.. 3.5 tov.. 1.7 spg.. 0.9 blk.. 47.3 fg.. 56.5 ts.. 114 ORtg.. 27.4 PER


Career Finals:

Jordan: 33.6 ppg.. 6.0 rpg.. 6.0 apg.. 2.8 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.65 bpg.. 48.1 fg
Lebron: 26.4 ppg.. 9.6 rpg.. 6.9 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.54 bpg.. 44.6 fg

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Mo Williams being an all-star one time seven years ago has zero bearing on who he is as a player now.

[3ball]

Mo Williams being an all-star one time seven years ago has zero bearing on who he is as a player now.



Another poster said Lebron > MJ... Accordingly, Mo Williams' all-star status is important, because it helps show that Lebron had far more help than MJ:



All-star appearances while playing with Lebron:

Wade 4
Bosh 4
Kyrie 1
Mo Williams 1
Zydrunas 1
______________
5 players, 11 appearances = 2/6 in Finals



All-star appearances while playing with MJ:

Pippen 6
_______________
1 player, 6 appearances = 6/6 in Finals
.

[ArbitraryWater]

Mo Williams isn't an all-star, he got voted in, a leftover due to Ray Allen's injury (couldn't participate).

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Another poster said Lebron > MJ... Accordingly, Mo Williams' all-star status is important, because it helps show that Lebron had far more help than MJ:



All-star appearances while playing with Lebron:

Wade 4
Bosh 4
Kyrie 1
Mo Williams 1
Zydrunas 1
______________
5 players, 11 appearances = 2/6 in Finals



All-star appearances while playing with MJ:

Pippen 6
_______________
1 player, 6 appearances = 6/6 in Finals
.
Care to post all-NBA/all-defense selections? Both are much more important than all-star selections and I'm genuinely curious as to which player's teammates had more.

[WindmiLL]

Lebron is the best player right now. Put him on any of the worst 10 teams in the NBA and he makes that team much better than any other player in the league. He doesn't need a specific team build around him to cover holes in his game and make him shine mostly in just one aspect(scoring). He can be your elite scorer, defender, playmaker, rebounder and comfortably play 1-4 positions on offense and defense.

Second best player right now is Durant.

Now go ahead and lynch me but you know that's the truth.

[tmacattack33]

:wtf: ... Looks like an all-star to me who averaged 18 ppg on 47% with elite 3-point shooting (44%):


http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/ESN_resources/Player%20Pictures/Basketball/MoWilliamsAllStarWeekend.jpg

What?

I thought you were talking about the current Cavs.

[3ball]

Care to post all-NBA/all-defense selections? Both are much more important than all-star selections and I'm genuinely curious as to which player's teammates had more.
MJ won more rings during his first 3-peat than Lebron has total.

During that first 3-peat, MJ only had 1 player that was all-nba (Pippen) and 1 player that was all-nba defense (Pippen).

Lebron had 1 player that was all-nba (Wade) and 1 player that was all-nba defense (Varejao).

So it's the same, except Lebron had far more help outside of these players... He played with 5 players who were all-stars (11 appearances), compared to 1 player for Jordan (6 appearances).

[tmacattack33]

Lebron is the best player right now. Put him on any of the worst 10 teams in the NBA and he makes that team much better than any other player in the league. He doesn't need a specific team build around him to cover holes in his game and make him shine mostly in just one aspect(scoring). He can be your elite scorer, defender, playmaker, rebounder and comfortably play 1-4 positions on offense and defense.

Second best player right now is Durant.

Now go ahead and lynch me but you know that's the truth.

Any comment like this must also include the words "when Curry comes back down to earth".

Otherwise it makes no sense. Because Curry, at the level he has been for the first 25 games, is above almost anything we've seen in the game of basketball besides maybe MJ's best season.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

MJ won more rings during his first 3-peat than Lebron has total.

During that first 3-peat, MJ only had 1 player that was all-nba (Pippen) and 1 player that was all-nba defense (Pippen).

Lebron had 1 player that was all-nba (Wade) and 1 player that was all-nba defense (Varejao).

So it's the same, except Lebron had far more help outside of these players... He played with 5 players who were all-stars (11 appearances), compared to 1 player for Jordan (6 appearances).
I'm asking for # of selections, not # of players. One player getting, say, 4 all-NBA selections is better than two players getting one each.

If you have the information on hand it would be appreciated.

[livinglegend]

Jordan had more help than Lebron.
Prove?
Jordan's team won 55 games without him and Lebron's teams had losing records without him. Having the GOAT coach who implented the GOAT system + great role players who know their role are much more important than having big names. When evaluating ''the help a player had'', we should also look at the system implented, the coach and look if the players fit their roles well.

CLIFF: Jordan had more help than Lebron as shown by the record of their teams without them.