Never forget - Duncan lost to an 8th seed in the 1st Rd

[Deuce Bigalow]

With the 1st seed the great Tim Duncan averaged an incredible 12.7/10.5 on .500 TS with his man Z-Bo averaging 21.5/9.2 on .570 TS. Spurs lost 2-4 marking the 4th time in league history a #1 seed fell to an 8th seed #NeverForget #TOSB.

[CJ Mustard]

That's why Duncan isn't considered on the level of other top 5 players like Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Russell. He is in that next tier with Magic, Bird, Lebron, and Hakeem.

[CelticBaller]

The Kobe Lakers, as the defending champions, got swept in the first round :oldlol:

[StephHamann]

The Kobe Lakers, as the defending champions, got swept in the first round :oldlol:

2nd

[Milbuck]

The Kobe Lakers, as the defending champions, got swept in the first round :oldlol:
It was in the 2nd round, by the eventual champions that made prime Lebron look like prime Evan Turner in the finals.

[TaLvsCuaL]

Some people don't get tired of looking idiotic :facepalm

[CelticBaller]

2nd
oh nvm. still got embarrassed by the mavs.

Kobe is definitely a tier below duncan

[Deuce Bigalow]

oh nvm. still got embarrassed by the mavs.

Kobe is definitely a tier below duncan
:roll:

[GrapeApe]

He was 35 years old. What did Kobe do in the playoffs at 35 years old?

[CelticBaller]

He was 35 years old. What did Kobe do in the NBA at 35 years old?
get injured

[Deuce Bigalow]

He was 35 years old. What did Kobe do in the playoffs at 35 years old?
Well I'll tell you what he didn't do, he didn't get swept by the Suns the year before, he annihilated them.

[TrueBlue89]

He was 35 years old. What did Kobe do in the playoffs at 35 years old?

No excuses. :no:

Jordan won FMVP at the same age. Malone won MVP. :confusedshrug:

[rmt]

Yes, it was the worst year of Duncan's career - I think he had plantar fascia tis? Put it this way - he averaged 28 mins per game - almost 2 minutes less than Manu.

In the playoffs, Pop refused to play Splitter until game 4. Going up against Z-Bo and Gasol with Twin Turds Bonner and Blair was a recipe in disaster.

[tmacattack33]

He also lead Team USA to its low point.

Yet gets little blame...all i hear is people blaming Iverson, Marbury, Larry Brown, and 19 year old Lebron and Melo who didn't even play many minutes

[GrapeApe]

No excuses. :no:

Jordan won FMVP at the same age. Malone won MVP. :confusedshrug:

True, but Jordan had a 2 year break and Malone was a physical freak of nature. Those guys are exceptions though. Most players at 35, no matter how great, are nowhere near the players they once were.

That being said, Duncan played poorly compared to his play during the season. No argument there. However, when you're past your prime you cannot really damage your legacy, only enhance it. Much like Kobe is not damaging his legacy this season, no matter how bad he plays.

[Smoke117]

He was 35 years old. What did Kobe do in the playoffs at 35 years old?

http://static.foxsports.com/content/fscom/img/2013/04/13/041313-NBA-KOBE-Hospital-PI-AA_20130413162553860_660_320.JPG

[Cold soul]

True, but Jordan had a 2 year break and Malone was a physical freak of nature. Those guys are exceptions though. Most players at 35, no matter how great, are nowhere near the players they once were.

That being said, Duncan played poorly compared to his play during the season. No argument there. However, when you're past your prime you cannot really damage your legacy, only enhance it. Much like Kobe is not damaging his legacy this season, no matter how bad he plays.

Exactly. I've been trying to tell people this numerous times when you are on the decline as an athlete and in your mid 30's you cant hurt your legacy only enhance it. It's like baking a cake and adding frosting on top to already great cake you can only add to your legacy not hurt it.

[thefatmiral]

wasn't this during the jefferson / hill era. and zbo looked like he was an all time great. not sure how that happened. i thought they were going to cruise to the finals that year. anyway memphis was a pretty good team, but that was a embarrassing.

[72-10]

that's great

he also did the exact opposite

[Straight_Ballin]

Yes, it was the worst year of Duncan's career - I think he had Plantar fasciitis? Put it this way - he averaged 28 mins per game - almost 2 minutes less than Manu.

In the playoffs, Pop refused to play Splitter until game 4. Going up against Z-Bo and Gasol with Twin Turds Bonner and Blair was a recipe in disaster.

This injury is no joke. It took me a year to get rid of mine. I got it from playing ball everyday and a strength imbalance occurring between my calf muscles and the strength of the ligaments in my foot. Basically when you get it, you shouldn't run, period. Doctors basically said that I should have strengthened my feet also while playing ball. (dafuq?) Had I actually did foot exercises like lifting up marbles with my toes and putting them into a jar and using bands, I would never have gotten it. Honestly, how the hell was I suppose to know that the feet need to be worked out? :lol I figured running on them strengthened them. Not the case. You should read up on some of the therapy used to cure plantar fasciitis. I went through 15 sessions of shock therapy. :lol

[dhsilv]

Yes, it was the worst year of Duncan's career - I think he had plantar fascia tis? Put it this way - he averaged 28 mins per game - almost 2 minutes less than Manu.

In the playoffs, Pop refused to play Splitter until game 4. Going up against Z-Bo and Gasol with Twin Turds Bonner and Blair was a recipe in disaster.

the platar stuff was 06 ,and Duncan was amazing in those playoffs overall. Not so much in the season.

Manu missed the first game of that griz series (he was likely the best spur that year) and even though his stats aren't bad, they weren't up to par with what he was doing all year.

Pop also had some really awful coaching choices in that series. For all the talk of how great pop is as a coach, that wasn't one of his finer series.

[ArbitraryWater]

True, but Jordan had a 2 year break and Malone was a physical freak of nature. Those guys are exceptions though. Most players at 35, no matter how great, are nowhere near the players they once were.

That being said, Duncan played poorly compared to his play during the season. No argument there. However, when you're past your prime you cannot really damage your legacy, only enhance it. Much like Kobe is not damaging his legacy this season, no matter how bad he plays.

Nah, Duncan wasn't good in the regular season that year either.. nothing much changed in the postseason.

[Kawhi]

Never forget - Kobe led one of just nine teams who blew a 3-1 lead in the playoffs.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Never forget - Kobe led one of just nine teams who blew a 3-1 lead in the playoffs.

Don't do 'em like that.

:oldlol:

[Alamо]

Some people don't get tired of looking idiotic :facepalm


Couldn't tell if you were talking about Kobe or his stans.



Then I realized you were talking about both.

[ninephive]

That's why Duncan isn't considered on the level of other top 5 players like Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Russell. He is in that next tier with Magic, Bird, Lebron, and Hakeem.
So Duncan is not considered top 5 because he lost in the first round of the playoffs? I guess it was better that Jordan couldn't lead his team to 0.500 for 5 seasons of his career and went 1-9 to start his postseason career (couldn't win until he got Pippen, Phil, etc.).

I guess it was better that Shaq was a journeyman who missed the playoffs multiple times and got SWEPT in the first round by a lower-seeded Bulls team. At least be consistent in your criteria. (Side note: If you're going to be a "top 5 player," shouldn't you at the very least be able to play defense? Maybe not.)

[DrakeTheSnake]

Meanwhile, Kobe and the OP are having a meltdown together. How sweet.

[Odinn]

Imagine Kobe in Duncan's situation, knee on knee / injury issues all season long, and one of his teammates with major role is injured. There'd be no ending of the excuses.

Hypocrisy at its best.

BTW; this thead is here because the previous one is backfired. :oldlol:

[34-24 Footwork]

This injury is no joke. It took me a year to get rid of mine. I got it from playing ball everyday and a strength imbalance occurring between my calf muscles and the strength of the ligaments in my foot. Basically when you get it, you shouldn't run, period. Doctors basically said that I should have strengthened my feet also while playing ball. (dafuq?) Had I actually did foot exercises like lifting up marbles with my toes and putting them into a jar and using bands, I would never have gotten it. Honestly, how the hell was I suppose to know that the feet need to be worked out? :lol I figured running on them strengthened them. Not the case. You should read up on some of the therapy used to cure plantar fasciitis. I went through 15 sessions of shock therapy. :lol

Currently going through my second iteration of it....from playing ball everyday, of course. Those first 300 steps out of the bed are a b1tch

[feyki]

Duncan and Lebron live in Kobetards minds .

[Dr Seuss]

Imagine Kobe in Duncan's situation, knee on knee / injury issues all season long, and one of his teammates with major role is injured. There'd be no ending of the excuses.

Hypocrisy at its best.

BTW; this thead is here because the previous one is backfired. :oldlol:

haha kobe was more or less in that situation. the year they lost in the 2nd round. minutes decreased to 33 per game because of an all season knee issue(from playing 3 finals in a row), and was missing out on practices. bynum still recovering from his 2 knee surgeries from years prior.

but the lakers did shit the bed those playoffs. first round against NOH, aaron grey destroyed our team. who??? aaron fcking grey. haah

[Shih508]

When you see at least one new thread everyday trying to diminish Duncan's greatness by those Kobe stans, you know Duncan is alrdy miles ahead of their GodBe in the all time ranking.

For those insecure stans, keep it up!

Duncan - Arguably top 5

vs

Kobe - Borderline top 15

Gap is getting bigger and bigger everyday

[Deuce Bigalow]

When you see at least one new thread everyday trying to diminish Duncan's greatness by those Kobe stans, you know Duncan is alrdy miles ahead of their GodBe in the all time ranking.

For those insecure stans, keep it up!

Duncan - Arguably top 5

vs

Kobe - Borderline top 15

Gap is getting bigger and bigger everyday
:oldlol:

Kobe 4-2 vs Duncan in the postseason :oldlol:
2 Golds vs Bronze :oldlol:
Players from his era calling Kobe the era GOAT :oldlol:

[SsKSpurs21]

Tim Duncan has also never missed the playoffs. :sleeping

[GrapeApe]

Nah, Duncan wasn't good in the regular season that year either.. nothing much changed in the postseason.

Duncan had a 21.9 PER for the season and a 15.5 PER in the Memphis series.

The raw numbers are't terribly dissimilar, but his overall play definitely dropped off compared to the season.

[ImKobe]

Don't do 'em like that.

:oldlol:

up 3 - 1 in the series against a much better opponent with only 1 home game left, which his teammates blew on the defensive end to allow the Suns to win in OT after Kobe had hit two go-ahead baskets in the closing minute of the game...but let's leave those things out eh.

[Showtime2001]

Ah yes another one of Duncan's failures that everyone is sweeping under the rug like it never happened.

:oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Tim Duncan has also never missed the playoffs. :sleeping
He's never been on a bad team. The Spurs could make the playoffs without him.

[VIP2000]

He's never been on a bad team. The Spurs could make the playoffs without him.

Duncan won a CHAMPIONSHIP with David Robinson on his last legs, 2nd year Tony Parker, Bruce Bowen, Stephen Jackson, and Malik Rose.

[DMV2]

We'll also never forget 3 FMVP and 2 MVP > 2 FMVP and 1 MVP.

Plus, Duncan's first 3 rings >>>>>>>>>>> Kobe's 5 (or 4 if you don't want to count 2000 Finals, or maybe even 3 if you don't want to count 2002* Kings series)

[DaOldLion]

We'll also never forget 3 FMVP and 2 MVP > 2 FMVP and 1 MVP.

Plus, Duncan's first 3 rings >>>>>>>>>>> Kobe's 5 (or 4 if you don't want to count 2000 Finals, or maybe even 3 if you don't want to count 2002* Kings series)

what if you don't count 99*. Don't count 05 either because Duncan was clearly outplayed in the finals by his teammate. Same goes for 07, same goes for 14.

being stupid is fun yay

[TheMarkMadsen]

This was the same year the Spurs won 60+ games with Duncan putting up only 13/9. People don't realize how good that team around Duncan has been for years now.

[DMV2]

what if you don't count 99*. Don't count 05 either because Duncan was clearly outplayed in the finals by his teammate. Same goes for 07, same goes for 14.

being stupid is fun yay
99 lockout season also effected Kobe. ;)

Kobe was outplayed by Shaq for 3 of his rings. Let's not count those either.

My point still stands though even if we include all of Kobe's 5 rings. 5 = 5 / 3 > 2 / 2 > 1 then we look at their best work it'll still be 99 + 03 rings > 09 + 10 rings because TD got a ring, FMVP and MVP in the same season(2003). Something Kobe was never able to do.

[Showtime2001]

what if you don't count 99*. Don't count 05 either because Duncan was clearly outplayed in the finals by his teammate. Same goes for 07, same goes for 14.

being stupid is fun yay
:applause:

[k0kakw0rld]

That's why Duncan isn't considered on the level of other top 5 players like Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Russell. He is in that next tier with Magic, Bird, Lebron, and Hakeem.
According to who? :confusedshrug:

Duncan is top 5 whether you like it or nah.

[DaOldLion]

99 lockout season also effected Kobe. ;)

Kobe was outplayed by Shaq for 3 of his rings. Let's not count those either.

My point still stands though even if we include all of Kobe's 5 rings. 5 = 5 / 3 > 2 / 2 > 1 then we look at their best work it'll still be 99 + 03 rings > 09 + 10 rings because TD got a ring, FMVP and MVP in the same season(2003). Something Kobe was never able to do.

you already don't count his first three rings so nothing new there. In what world is Duncan's 99 finals better than Kobe's in 09? Duncan faced the worst finals team of all time who was missing Patrick Ewing for that series. Duncan hasn't been the best player in a finals series since 2003 :oldlol: :oldlol: but somehow those rings still hold the same amount of value as if he had been the best player in the series, while you'll look to discredit Kobe for any and every reason

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe was straight poo in the '09 finals..

Nobody at the time lifted a finger when someone pointed out he didn't have a good finals series. After game 1 he was just, ugh...

[ArbitraryWater]

According to who? :confusedshrug:

Duncan is top 5 whether you like it or nah.

According to who?

[deja vu]

He also lead Team USA to its low point.

Yet gets little blame...all i hear is people blaming Iverson, Marbury, Larry Brown, and 19 year old Lebron and Melo who didn't even play many minutes
Duncan is a low-key humble guy so he flies under the radar and gets no flak for poor performances.

Heard that he didn't have a single block the entire tournament. :eek:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan is a low-key humble guy so he flies under the radar and gets no flak for poor performances.

Heard that he didn't have a single block the entire tournament. :eek:
Had to look that up and behold! It's true :oldlol:

[Alamо]

You know a guy has a damn near perfect resume when the lowlight of his career was losing in the first round of the playoffs. Like, that's the worst he's done, he still made the playoffs and had the 1st seed that year. And not only that but he swept that same grizzlies a year after that.


:lol

[WayOfWade]

Reminds me of back in the day when I was a Grizzlies fan, good times

Still though, the series should've been over in 5, freaking Gary Neal saved the Spurs HARD in game 5