Carmelo Anthony > Dwyane Wade

[JohnnySic]

Wade had 7 great seasons, and then when his athleticism started to slip, he died.

Carmelo is having his 13th all-star caliber year.

Wade is ahead in people's minds, largely due to team success and highlight real plays, but Carmelo was the more skilled player offensively and is having and should continue to have greater longevity, as his game is based on skill rather than athleticism. History should remember Carmelo as the superior player.

Fire away. :dancin

[MMM]

would take 7 great season and being among the top 3-5 players rather that 13-14 years being a tier or 2 below

[Legends66NBA7]

Wade had a better career because he was also clearly the better player. That also lives largely in people's minds and whatever Melo is doing now isn't changing anything.

[StephHamann]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/3897764/stephen-hawking-o.gif

[keep-itreal]

Wade had 7 great seasons, and then when his athleticism started to slip, he died.

:roll: :roll:

[JohnnySic]

Wade had a better career because he was also clearly the better player. That also lives largely in people's minds and whatever Melo is doing now isn't changing anything.
Wade had a slightly higher peak.

Barkley had a higher peak than Malone but Malone had greater longevity and many/most rank him higher.

[Nuff Said]

What're their career averages? All nba teams? All star games? Current team standings?

[Smoke117]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[stalkerforlife]

Wade had better teammates.

Melo had to face the mighty west and the 2nd best player of all time, Kobe, while trying to win a title.

There's that.

[stalkerforlife]

Melo - 25.1, 6.6, 3.1, 45.4, 34.5, 81.2.

Wade - 23.9, 4.9, 5.8, 49.0, 28.8, 76.6.

Wade's consistently had the better teammates in a much weaker conference.

I have no problem taking Melo over Wade.

[Legends66NBA7]

Wade had a slightly higher peak.

Barkley had a higher peak than Malone but Malone had greater longevity and many/most rank him higher.

Wade didn't have a "slightly" better peak. Wade's level from 05, 06, 09-11 is quiet clearly better than anything Melo has done.


Malone vs Barkley comparison isn't anything close to this. Melo isn't getting ranked over Wade unless he starts to play amazing basketball going into his mid-late 30's and starts racking up serious individual accolades and titles, which he is highly unlikely of happening.

[stalkerforlife]

Wade didn't have a "slightly" better peak. Wade's level from 05, 06, 09-11 is quiet clearly better than anything Melo has done.


Malone vs Barkley comparison isn't anything close to this. Melo isn't getting ranked over Wade unless he starts to play amazing basketball going into his mid-late 30's and starts racking up serious individual accolades and titles, which he is highly unlikely of happening.

Hard to do when you refuse to collude. :rolleyes:

[k0kakw0rld]

Hard to do when you refuse to collude. :rolleyes:
He went to NY to play with Amare. :facepalm

[stalkerforlife]

He went to NY to play with Amare. :facepalm

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[DoctorP]

Wade at his peak could give you better-than-Jordan (arguable) offensive slashing capabilities and then he also had elite help-defense capabilities.

Carmelo has had more consistency throughout his career with a lower peak but his defense was never at that elite level where at any time he can get you some quick points of steals.

So: Carmelo more consistent, Wade higher peak.

[OnFire]

Hard to do when you refuse to collude. :rolleyes:

He tried to collude he just sucks at it. Another case where Wade > Melo

[OnFire]

Wade had better teammates.

Melo had to face the mighty west and the 2nd best player of all time, Kobe, while trying to win a title.

There's that.

Melo hasnt been in the West in 5 or 6 years. Wade beat best in west 3 times.

TITLES: Wade > Melo
All stars: wade > melo
Finals mvp: wade > melo
All nba 1st teams: wade>melo
All nba total: wade> melo
All defense team: wade > melo

Wade has maybe 3 seasons better than Melos best season.
Wade has played more games than Melo including playoffs and only 52 reg season games less over 13 seasons.

Wade is still playing too. Missed 2 games so far.

[DMAVS41]

Like really?

Please stop.

[DMAVS41]

Melo hasnt been in the West in 5 or 6 years. Wade beat best in west 3 times.

TITLES: Wade > Melo
All stars: wade > melo
Finals mvp: wade > melo
All nba 1st teams: wade>melo
All nba total: wade> melo
All defense team: wade > melo

Wade has maybe 3 seasons better than Melos best season.
Wade has played more games than Melo including playoffs and only 52 reg season games less over 13 seasons.

Wade is still playing too. Missed 2 games so far.

Doing it like this is silly...

Just talk about Wade being a better basketball player. Counting up accolades and titles like that implies that if somehow Melo had the edge in those things it would make him better.

It wouldn't...Wade was just on a different level of player than Melo...

Melo, the ball stopping, no defense playing, doesn't make teammates better, inefficient chucker in the playoffs...

It's just stupid...doesn't matter if Melo had more all star games or all nba selections...he hasn't been good enough to get compared to a guy like Wade

[Dragonyeuw]

Wade had a slightly higher peak.

Barkley had a higher peak than Malone but Malone had greater longevity and many/most rank him higher.

Slightly? Wade in terms of 2-way play was quite clearly on a tier above Melo's best. Longevity is used often in the Barkley-Malone debate because neither won a title. Wade's 2006 title alone, even if he never won with Lebron in 2012 and 2013 but was otherwise playing at the level he did, puts him above Melo all-time. I mean it's all subjective, but Wade is generally considered top 20-25, so if you're saying Melo> Wade, then you're also saying that Melo deserves strong consideration as a top 25 player. And we know that's a joke.

[SugarHill]

Is Melo even better than James Harden? Melo was certainly never better than Westbrook or Chris Paul

[stalkerforlife]

Melo hasnt been in the West in 5 or 6 years. Wade beat best in west 3 times.

TITLES: Wade > Melo
All stars: wade > melo
Finals mvp: wade > melo
All nba 1st teams: wade>melo
All nba total: wade> melo
All defense team: wade > melo

Wade has maybe 3 seasons better than Melos best season.
Wade has played more games than Melo including playoffs and only 52 reg season games less over 13 seasons.

Wade is still playing too. Missed 2 games so far.

I don't need to go over any of that; you're a big boy; I believe in you.

[Legends66NBA7]

Is Melo even better than James Harden? Melo was certainly never better than Westbrook or Chris Paul

Here comes the legion of Paul detractors bring up the 09 playoffs and how Melo went to the Conference Finals.


Good question on Harden. I don't think so either. Harden had an injury riddled squad the whole season and while they did show up in that Game 6 and 7 vs the Clippers too, he was still their best player all year and many thought he was the MVP last year. Melo never really has gotten that type of consideration outside of 2013 and even then LeBron was winning that in a landslide and Durant was the clear #2 at that point too.

[LikeABosh]

Carmelo will be remebered with the likes of Alex English. Wade is a true legend and all time great

[Lebronxrings]

melo never had lebron or shaq

[ShawkFactory]

He went to NY to play with Amare. :facepalm
The Knicks have tried colluding like 3 times :lol

[greatest-ever]

Lol this is an obvious troll thread. No one with any credibility would have Melo ahead of Wade. And slightly better peak? Lol thats laughable, Wade has 5-6 seasons that are well above Melo's peak. The better teammates thing is trash, Melo has never been a good playoff performer while Wade was great regardless of his teammates. Carmelo's main thing is scoring and he wasn't better than Wade at that in their primes, that doesn't even get into playmaking and defense where Wade is miles ahead.

[Papaya Petee]

:roll:

[greatest-ever]

melo never had lebron or shaq
Why does this matter? Put rings aside, Melo very clearly never reached the level Wade was playing at in 05, 06, 09-11. Look up the damn numbers.

[Mass Debator]

Wade > Pierce > Melo

[feyki]

Wade 22th , Melo isn't in the top 100 .

[Mass Debator]

History proves that you have a 99% chance of making the HOF if you win an all-star MVP. Time for Melo to start gunning

[Legends66NBA7]

Wade 22th , Melo isn't in the top 100 .

Haven't thought about a list, but I'd say he would has a case for Top 100.


History proves that you have a 99% chance of making the HOF if you win an all-star MVP. Time for Melo to start gunning

To be fair, he already is a HOF.

[Dresta]

Melo hasnt been in the West in 5 or 6 years. Wade beat best in west 3 times.

TITLES: Wade > Melo
All stars: wade > melo
Finals mvp: wade > melo
All nba 1st teams: wade>melo
All nba total: wade> melo
All defense team: wade > melo

Wade has maybe 3 seasons better than Melos best season.
Wade has played more games than Melo including playoffs and only 52 reg season games less over 13 seasons.

Wade is still playing too. Missed 2 games so far.
This is the funniest one considering OP was plugging Melo based on his 'longevity'

[dubeta]

Couldn't agree more with OP :applause:


Wade is a fraud

[Prime_Shaq]

Wade's peak was insane. 09 Wade >>>>> ANY version of Melo

[feyki]

Haven't thought about a list, but I'd say he would has a case for Top 100.



To be fair, he already is a HOF.

Yes , he has . But it's debatable .

[SouBeachTalents]

Carmelo wouldn't even be ranked ahead of CP3 or Dwight, let alone Wade

[PJR]

This is just stupid.

Carmelo isn't even having a clearly better season than Wade this season. Wade has the higher PER, and his team has a winning record :oldlol:

Carmelo having his 13th all star year? Bitch where.

[34-24 Footwork]

Carmelo wouldn't even be ranked ahead of CP3 or Dwight, let alone Wade

You have to validate the Chris Paul opinion, bro. I agree with Wade

[GrapeApe]

This is getting ridiculous.

Wade has better career numbers and better playoff numbers (factoring in advanced), had a higher peak, has more all-star and all-NBA selections, more all-defense selections, more titles, and more FMVP's. For all the talk about Melo being such an amazing scorer, he averages 25 ppg on .546TS to Wade's 24 ppg on .564TS. That's essentially a wash. Melo has the edge in rebounding, but Wade is a significantly better passer, playmaker, defender, ball thief, shot blocker, and is more efficient.

Melo has played 66 playoff games. Wade has played 152. Through his first 66 playoff games, Wade averaged 27/6/6, 48%fg, 2.2 spg, 1.1 bpg, 25 PER with a championship and FMVP.

Wade is also better RIGHT NOW, and he's more than 2 years older than Melo. Wade's perceived lack of longevity is a complete myth. If you want to hold the injuries against him, fine, but it doesn't changed the fact that Wade has consistently been a better player than Melo for most of their careers.

[GrapeApe]

Couldn't agree more with OP :applause:


Wade is a fraud

Yeah, a fraud who is a near consensus top 4 SG and top 20-25 player all-time. Ask any NBA coach, GM, player, analyst, commentator, basically anyone associated with the game, how much of a fraud Wade is. He might be somewhat underrated among fans, but he sure isn't among any of those guys.

[JohnnySic]

Read my original post carefully people. Reading comprehension.

I didn't say that Carmelo was necessarily better up to this point. I said that he will look historically better when all is said and done.

Wade is done and is running on fumes.

Carmelo could play at a high level for another 4-5 years.

And rack up those stats. Career totals > all.

Same reason Antawn Jamison and Joe Johnson will make the HOF. remember this thread? :hammerhead:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383388

[WadeStan]

I'll take the guy who didn't peak as a freshman in college for 400, Alex.

[IMObjective]

Doing it like this is silly...

Just talk about Wade being a better basketball player. Counting up accolades and titles like that implies that if somehow Melo had the edge in those things it would make him better
:D

Accolades do count, if melo had ended up winning in all these categories it probably would have meant melo was a different player than the reality, and was a player as good or better than wade. Is it a strange coincidence that the two goats have the most impressive list of accolades out of anybody?

Sure, they're not the absolute be all and end all when ranking players, but they play a huge, huge, huge part.

:D

[PJR]

Read my original post carefully people. Reading comprehension.

I didn't say that Carmelo was necessarily better up to this point. I said that he will look historically better when all is said and done.

Wade is done and is running on fumes.

Carmelo could play at a high level for another 4-5 years.

And rack up those stats. Career totals > all.

Same reason Antawn Jamison and Joe Johnson will make the HOF. remember this thread? :hammerhead:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383388

Your post is still as stupid as it was an hour ago. Shut up.

[greatest-ever]

Read my original post carefully people. Reading comprehension.

I didn't say that Carmelo was necessarily better up to this point. I said that he will look historically better when all is said and done.

Wade is done and is running on fumes.

Carmelo could play at a high level for another 4-5 years.

And rack up those stats. Career totals > all.

Same reason Antawn Jamison and Joe Johnson will make the HOF. remember this thread? :hammerhead:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383388
You're acting like Melo is still a top 10 caliber player, he isn't even that good right now.

[TommyGriffin]

Dwyane Wade is clearly on another level.

The only reason his overall numbers aren't higher is because he played 4 years with LeBron James and gracefully chose to take the 2nd option role.

[plowking]

Wade had 7 great seasons, and then when his athleticism started to slip, he died.

Carmelo is having his 13th all-star caliber year.

Wade is ahead in people's minds, largely due to team success and highlight real plays, but Carmelo was the more skilled player offensively and is having and should continue to have greater longevity, as his game is based on skill rather than athleticism. History should remember Carmelo as the superior player.

Fire away. :dancin

Why does Wade have more all NBA seasons even up until now then?

Only Wade gets threads like this... players who aren't close to him, somehow get Wade vs *insert player* threads.
Wade is top 20 all time. Carmelo isn't close. That is the difference.

Serious question. Has Melo even been better than Wade this year?

[plowking]

Wade is done and is running on fumes.



Wade running on fumes has been as good, or better than current Melo... What does that tell you?

3 titles, Finals MVP, 20,000 points, great career averages (23/5/5 when he retires), franchise records all round, etc.

Wade's career looks more like Larry Bird's, short of a few MVP's really, that could have quite easily happened if he was healthy during the right season (2007).

[dubeta]

Was Wade ever a 1st option on a 50 win team? Melo was in 2013

[SouBeachTalents]

Was Wade ever a 1st option on a 50 win team? Melo was in 2013

Was Carmelo ever first option on a championship team like Wade in '06

[plowking]

Was Wade ever a 1st option on a 50 win team? Melo was in 2013

Umm... yes?
Twice.

[GrapeApe]

Was Wade ever a 1st option on a 50 win team? Melo was in 2013

Um, 2005 and 2006? Wade led those teams in PPG, FG'S, and FGA's in the regular season and playoffs. He was also the closer. Clearly a first option.

In 2009 and 2010 he led the Heat to 43 and 47 wins with some of the worst rosters in the league. If Melo is leading those teams they probably don't even make the playoffs. Wade's return to health in 2009 improved the team by 28 games. When did Melo ever have a 28 win impact on a team?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Wade is infinitely better.

Even better at carrying sorry ass teams. :confusedshrug:

[Legends66NBA7]

Read my original post carefully people. Reading comprehension.

I didn't say that Carmelo was necessarily better up to this point. I said that he will look historically better when all is said and done.

And rack up those stats. Career totals > all.


So debating without context of anything ? That's laziness and invalid.

[MellowYellow]

It's hard to argue melo simply because of who drafted him. If melo went to Miami and wade went to Denver melo would be the one with finals mvp and 3 rings or even more. He could have made lebron 4/6 instead of 2/6

[MellowYellow]

Wade is infinitely better.

Even better at carrying sorry ass teams. :confusedshrug:
Melo took a trash franchise to 10 straight playoffs in the stacked west. Wade hasn't done anything without shaq and lebron

[GrapeApe]

Wade running on fumes has been as good, or better than current Melo... What does that tell you?

3 titles, Finals MVP, 20,000 points, great career averages (23/5/5 when he retires), franchise records all round, etc.

Wade's career looks more like Larry Bird's, short of a few MVP's really, that could have quite easily happened if he was healthy during the right season (2007).

Wade is at least as good as Melo right now and probably better. Melo plays 5 more mpg and the Knicks play at a higher pace, but their per-36 and per 100 possession numbers are very comparable and Wade has a higher FG% and PER. Wade is also still a better defender.

The injuries are the only thing preventing Wade from being a consensus top 15 player all-time and flirting with top 10. He missed a would be finals trip in 2005, a likely MVP in 2007, and 2008 would have probably been his peak season if healthy. Before getting hurt in 2007 he was averaging about 29/8/6/2/1 with a 30+PER. After returning healthy in 2009 he averaged 30/8/5/2/1 with a 30+PER. He would have been an absolute monster in 2008.

[dubeta]

Wade is at least as good as Melo right now and probably better. Melo plays 5 more mpg and the Knicks play at a higher pace, but their per-36 and per 100 possession numbers are very comparable and Wade has a higher FG% and PER. Wade is also still a better defender.

The injuries are the only thing preventing Wade from being a consensus top 15 player all-time and flirting with top 10. He missed a would be finals trip in 2005, a likely MVP in 2007, and 2008 would have probably been his peak season if healthy. Before getting hurt in 2007 he was averaging about 29/8/6/2/1 with a 30+PER. After returning healthy in 2009 he averaged 30/8/5/5/1 with a 30+PER. He would have been an absolute monster in 2008.


So if Wade was healthy he's basically be neck and neck with LeBron? :facepalm

[GrapeApe]

It's hard to argue melo simply because of who drafted him. If melo went to Miami and wade went to Denver melo would be the one with finals mvp and 3 rings or even more. He could have made lebron 4/6 instead of 2/6

That's ridiculous logic. You cannot assume everything would play out the exact same way. Even if Shaq still came to Miami, there's no Way Melo is duplicating what Wade did in 2006. The rest of that post is too stupid to even address.

[Smoke117]

That's ridiculous logic. You cannot assume everything would play out the exact same way. Even if Shaq still came to Miami, there's no Way Melo is duplicating what Wade did in 2006. Also, suggesting that Lebron and Melo would have won all four years from 2011-2014 is absurd. Wade was outstanding in the 2011 and 2012 playoffs. They might not even make the finals those years with Melo, and there's no way their winning in 2014. They MIGHT have won in 2013, but Wade stepped up in the finals and it still went to 7 games.

What is it about the Knicks that makes their fans such idiots?

[MellowYellow]

Wade is at least as good as Melo right now and probably better. Melo plays 5 more mpg and the Knicks play at a higher pace, but their per-36 and per 100 possession numbers are very comparable and Wade has a higher FG% and PER. Wade is also still a better defender.

The injuries are the only thing preventing Wade from being a consensus top 15 player all-time and flirting with top 10. He missed a would be finals trip in 2005, a likely MVP in 2007, and 2008 would have probably been his peak season if healthy. Before getting hurt in 2007 he was averaging about 29/8/6/2/1 with a 30+PER. After returning healthy in 2009 he averaged 30/8/5/2/1 with a 30+PER. He would have been an absolute monster in 2008.

Melo has been one of the best defenders this year so I doubt that wade has been better defensively and their productivity is about equal

[GrapeApe]

So if Wade was healthy he's basically be neck and neck with LeBron? :facepalm

If Wade had 6 finals appearances and possibly 4 titles, a regular season MVP and possibly 2 FMVP's? Yes, he'd be pretty damn close to Lebron.

[GrapeApe]

Melo has been one of the best defenders this year so I doubt that wade has been better defensively and their productivity is about equal

I haven't watched the Knicks much except for the 2 games they played the Heat, so Melo may indeed be playing solid defense overall on the season. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there. Wade and Melo are about even this year. The point is that Wade is playing very well for his age, and his perceived lack of longevity is proving to be untrue.

[feyki]

Melo has been one of the best defenders this year so I doubt that wade has been better defensively and their productivity is about equal
:oldlol:
:oldlol:
:oldlol:


That was truly pure ignorance .

[Clifton]

Wade's prime was too short, but his years before and after his prime he has still distinguished himself.

Rookie year he was doing damage and hitting game winners against better teams in the playoffs. Injury-plagued last 5 years, he has won titles, showed up in the playoffs, and his team is always a threat.

Melo has been in his prime since his first game, and still is today, and has never distinguished himself. He was second rate then, is second rate now, and will be second rate as his career starts to wane.

Wade's special, Melo's just good.

And it's not like he's a choker, either. He's clutch. He could be the best player on a title team. When I say second-rate, I mean second-rate compared to a guy like Wade. Not fair to Melo to compare him to Wade. Wade is a legend.

[Donkey4trading]

Give Melo the teams that Wade has had and he easily has 2 rings. Melo/ Lebron Bosh in 2013 would have dominated the playoffs. Put Wade in Melo's situations and he never even makes the finals..

The most talent that Melo ever had was in 09, if we swap Wade with Melo the team looks like this

Chauncey
Wade
JR
Nene
Martin

Does anybody think Wade can lead this team to the finals in 09? They wouldn't beat the team that Melo's nuggets lost to in 09.

Meanwhile if we put Melo on Wade's best teams, lets go with 13

Chalmers
Ray
Melo
Lebron
Bosh

I am going to assume Melo can give that team more production than Wade did when he put up 16 ppg in the playofs. Lebron primarily played at the 4 in 2013 as it is. Lebron and Melo would work so well together.

Wade isn't leading any of Melo's teams anywhere more than Melo did. In 2013 Melo led that team to the second seed with Jr Smith as his second option which is very impressive. I still think Wade is better, but Melo is incredibly underrated on ISH

[Donkey4trading]

:oldlol:
:oldlol:
:oldlol:


That was truly pure ignorance .


Melo's defense this year has improved

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-the-numbers-defense-has-been-way-better-this-year-121615

[PJR]

Give Melo the teams that Wade has had and he easily has 2 rings.

No he wouldn't. Please shut up.

Carmelo is a ball stopping Iso wing scorer, who doesn't typically maximize the players around him. There are't many dimensions to his game outside of putting the ball in the bucket. His on court leadership has always lacked as well.

The Nuggers never went anywhere until Chauncey Billups took over as the voice of that team.

Wade has been the more efficient player, and a far superior defender and playmaker.

He's not on Wade's level, and for you to make the assertion that he'd accomplish as much given the same situations is a beyond foolish.

[greatest-ever]

Give Melo the teams that Wade has had and he easily has 2 rings. Melo/ Lebron Bosh in 2013 would have dominated the playoffs. Put Wade in Melo's situations and he never even makes the finals..

The most talent that Melo ever had was in 09, if we swap Wade with Melo the team looks like this

Chauncey
Wade
JR
Nene
Martin

Does anybody think Wade can lead this team to the finals in 09? They wouldn't beat the team that Melo's nuggets lost to in 09.

Meanwhile if we put Melo on Wade's best teams, lets go with 13

Chalmers
Ray
Melo
Lebron
Bosh

I am going to assume Melo can give that team more production than Wade did when he put up 16 ppg in the playofs. Lebron primarily played at the 4 in 2013 as it is. Lebron and Melo would work so well together.

Wade isn't leading any of Melo's teams anywhere more than Melo did. In 2013 Melo led that team to the second seed with Jr Smith as his second option which is very impressive. I still think Wade is better, but Melo is incredibly underrated on ISH
Why are you bringing up the 2013 Heat like that year was some serious part of Wade's legacy? He was past his prime and they still won it was what it was. Melo simply didn't have the offensive capability to do what Wade did in the 2006 playoffs so he would've never got a ring with Shaq.

If you give prime Wade that 09 nuggets team they would be serious title contenders.

Anyway i still have no idea why people keep bringing up team scenarios, Melo was simply a worse player than Wade by pretty much every statistical measure other than rebounding which he should be worse, he's 4 inches shorter and is a guard. Talking about team scenarios is so pointless.

[MellowYellow]

No he wouldn't. Please shut up.

Carmelo is a ball stopping Iso wing scorer, who doesn't typically maximize the players around him. There are't many dimensions to his game outside of putting the ball in the bucket. His on court leadership has always lacked as well.

The Nuggers never went anywhere until Chauncey Billups took over as the voice of that team.

Wade has been the more efficient player, and a far superior defender and playmaker.

He's not on Wade's level, and for you to make the assertion that he'd accomplish as much given the same situations is a beyond foolish.

you may think that but it is just not true, obviously melo has less assists cause he isn't a guard but he is actually a really good passer and has shown this year that he can defend at a close to elite level. He is also a much better 2nd option than wade cause of his shooting. There is no doubt in my mind that Melo/bron would have won 3 or 4 ships where wade/bron only got 2.

[Donkey4trading]

No he wouldn't. Please shut up.

Carmelo is a ball stopping Iso wing scorer, who doesn't typically maximize the players around him. There are't many dimensions to his game outside of putting the ball in the bucket. His on court leadership has always lacked as well.

The Nuggers never went anywhere until Chauncey Billups took over as the voice of that team.

Wade has been the more efficient player, and a far superior defender and playmaker.

He's not on Wade's level, and for you to make the assertion that he'd accomplish as much given the same situations is a beyond foolish.



The Nuggers never went anywhere until Chauncey Billups took over as the voice of that team.


While being the "voice on the team" is nice and all, Melo put up 27/6/4/2 on 45% on his way to the WCF which is nothing to just write off..


He's not on Wade's level, and for you to make the assertion that he'd accomplish as much given the same situations is a beyond foolish.

Since when does 2 rings = 3 rings and a FMVP :oldlol: :confusedshrug:

and every single thread on this, place when comparing players, each player's team situation throughout their careers get brought up constantly and nobody bats an eye. But you're telling me Wade is exempt from this argument.. that's beyond ridiculous. Wade has played with Shaq and Lebron. Melo has played with Chauncey and half a year of a healthy Amare so the argument isn't that absurd..

[Smoke117]

Why is this even at 5 pages...everyone should have just laughed like I did...that's all this thread deserves...derisive laughter.

[Donkey4trading]

Why are you bringing up the 2013 Heat like that year was some serious part of Wade's legacy? He was past his prime and they still won it was what it was. Melo simply didn't have the offensive capability to do what Wade did in the 2006 playoffs so he would've never got a ring with Shaq.

If you give prime Wade that 09 nuggets team they would be serious title contenders.

Anyway i still have no idea why people keep bringing up team scenarios, Melo was simply a worse player than Wade by pretty much every statistical measure other than rebounding which he should be worse, he's 4 inches shorter and is a guard. Talking about team scenarios is so pointless.



Why are you bringing up the 2013 Heat like that year was some serious part of Wade's legacy?

I never said it was a serious part of his legacy, but if you're acting like him winning his 3rd ring isn't a big deal in the long term discussion of where players place all time then you're being very naive. My argument is that if you put Melo in the situation Wade had in 2013 I'm sure Melo could win a ring..

If Melo was put in a situation where he could get away with putting up 16/4/4 through the playoffs and win a ring I'm sure he could get that done. He's never played with the MVP and another all star.. This doesn't mean that Wade is worse than Melo overall, but people are in here shitting on Melo for a lack of team success compared to Wade when Melo has never had anywhere close to the amount of help Wade has had throughout his career. I already have stated that I believe Wade is better, but not because he was able to play with the MVP for 4 straight years and another all star while Melo had Jr Smith. We've never seen Melo with the type of teams Wade has had

[Akhenaten]

Since when does 2 rings = 3 rings and a FMVP :oldlol: :confusedshrug:

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Wade has 3 rings (06, 12, 13) and a finals MVP in 06
You not knowing that invalidates anything you have to say

[Donkey4trading]

Wade has 3 rings (06, 12, 13) and a finals MVP in 06
You not knowing that invalidates anything you have to say

you not being able to read invalidates your entire argument..

Dude told me that I was saying Melo could accomplish the same amount as Wade has if given the same teams which isn't what I said..

What I actually said was that Melo could win two rings with the same teams. Last time I checked two rings isn't the same as three rings

so yeah try again

[Akhenaten]

you not being able to read invalidates your entire argument..

Dude told me that I was saying Melo could accomplish the same amount as Wade has if given the same teams which isn't what I said..

What I actually said was that Melo could win two rings with the same teams. Last time I checked two rings isn't the same as three rings

so yeah try again

OK, you one of them "what if" dudes, cool I'll play along. Wade would have won in 2011 if not for brawn's nuts getting pushed up inside of him. Also he would have won another ring in 05 if not for getting injured in game 5 of the 05 ECF after going up 3-2 on Detroit.

So therefore 5 rings, 3 fmvp > 2 rings
Wade = mj/magic tier, melo nowhere close

[Rocketswin2013]

Wade had 7 great seasons, and then when his athleticism started to slip, he died.

:oldlol:

[Smoke117]

:oldlol:

You'd think Dwyane Wade was the Dwight Howard of guards the way people talk about him. He is by far the best slasher and ball handler off the dribble over the last 15 seasons...and that's a skill and not athleticism. He's shooting over 51% right now in December when he's 34, but his game was based on athleticism? Right.

[Young X]

Wade is one of the most underated players I've ever seen.

Just a scorer? Wade's still better but fine.

As an overall player? It's not even close. Wade is miles ahead as a playmaker and defender. And that's just the regular season. Melo is a very mediocre playoff performer while Wade has mostly been great in the playoffs.

[MellowYellow]

This is getting ridiculous.

Wade has better career numbers and better playoff numbers (factoring in advanced), had a higher peak, has more all-star and all-NBA selections, more all-defense selections, more titles, and more FMVP's. For all the talk about Melo being such an amazing scorer, he averages 25 ppg on .546TS to Wade's 24 ppg on .564TS. That's essentially a wash. Melo has the edge in rebounding, but Wade is a significantly better passer, playmaker, defender, ball thief, shot blocker, and is more efficient.

Melo has played 66 playoff games. Wade has played 152. Through his first 66 playoff games, Wade averaged 27/6/6, 48%fg, 2.2 spg, 1.1 bpg, 25 PER with a championship and FMVP.

Wade is also better RIGHT NOW, and he's more than 2 years older than Melo. Wade's perceived lack of longevity is a complete myth. If you want to hold the injuries against him, fine, but it doesn't changed the fact that Wade has consistently been a better player than Melo for most of their careers.
What is he better at right now though? Melo is 22 7 4 on 53% ts wade is 18 4 4 on 52% ts

[Dresta]

Wade is still clearly the better playmaker - Melo could not do what Wade does with Whiteside, for example.

[JohnnySic]

Team success does matter. If Carmelo was drafted by the Pistons and won a couple of rings there, or led Denver to the title in '09, people would view him quite differently.

[Smoke117]

Team success does matter. If Carmelo was drafted by the Pistons and won a couple of rings there, or led Denver to the title in '09, people would view him quite differently.

Shut up. Your thread was idiotic 2 days ago and it's idiotic now.

[DMAVS41]

Wade is one of the most underated players I've ever seen.

Just a scorer? Wade's still better but fine.

As an overall player? It's not even close. Wade is miles ahead as a playmaker and defender. And that's just the regular season. Melo is a very mediocre playoff performer while Wade has mostly been great in the playoffs.

This on repeat please.

:applause: