Top 5 players in the NBA right now

[ortonsaw]

1. Curry
2. Kawhi
3. LeBron
4. KD
5. Westbrook

[Indian guy]

That looks about right. Along with 2009 and 2003, I'd say this is the strongest top 5 the NBA has sported post-2000.

[mehyaM24]

curry/kd/lebron

kawhi

the rest

playoffs will be huge in differianting the top 3.

[1manfastbreak]

I agree with OP's list.

It's crazy how the Thunder have two of the top five players in the game yet the Spurs/Warriors as a team are on a completely different level.

Can't underestimate team chemistry and style of play.

[ArbitraryWater]

I agree with OP's list.

It's crazy how the Thunder have two of the top five players in the game yet the Spurs/Warriors as a team are on a completely different level.

Can't underestimate team chemistry and style of play.

How about the fact they have a much better team/roster?

OP's list looking strong...


That looks about right. Along with 2009 and 2003, I'd say this is the strongest top 5 the NBA has sported post-2000.

2011 was stronger, with Dirk/Bron/Wade/Howard/KD, 2005-2007 gotta be close too.

[Fallen Angel]

I'd take Harden over Kawhi and Westbrook

[VengefulAngel]

Not taking Kawhi 2nd lol.

1) Curry
2) Lebron
3) Durant
4) Kawhi
5) Westbrook

[ISHGoat]

I'd take Harden over Kawhi and Westbrook
:yaohappy:

[feyki]

OP has a solid list .

I also take Beverley over Harden .

[Pushxx]

Anthony Davis' hype got shit on by a terrible coach and misfit roster.

Give AD a coach like Pop.

[maybeshewill13]

1. Kevin "Big Dick" Durant
2. Stephen Curry
3. Lebron James
4. Russel Westbrook
5. Kawhi

[TommyGriffin]

Anthony Davis' hype got shit on by a terrible coach and misfit roster.

Give AD a coach like Pop.

As a long-time New Orleans' fan, I've watched AD closely over these last few years. At this point, he lacks the ability to create his own offense on a consistent basis. Unless he develops that capability over time, I can't see him reaching the echelon many had hoped.

[Lebronxrings]

how da fck is kawhi better than lebron? The dude doesn't attract double teams..

[Lebronxrings]

As a long-time New Orleans' fan, I've watched AD closely over these last few years. At this point, he lacks the ability to create his own offense on a consistent basis. Unless he develops that capability over time, I can't see him reaching the echelon many had hoped.
:applause: :applause: :applause:

i've been saying this shiet for soo long

[LAKingKobe]

1. Curry
2. James
3. Durant
4. Bryant
5. Westbrook

[k0kakw0rld]

1. Curry
2. Kawhi
3. LeBron
4. KD
5. Westbrook
Kawhi is not better than LeBron and surely not Curry.
Hell, Kawhi > Curry.\

[Dragonyeuw]

Paul George should get an honorable mention.

[plowking]

In what f*cking world is Kawhi Leonard better than Lebron? Or Durant?

Jesus... this forum brah...

[feyki]

In what f*cking world is Kawhi Leonard better than Lebron? Or Durant?

Jesus... this forum brah...

Who didn't watch games ..

[VengefulAngel]

Who didn't watch games ..

Who hasn't watched the games* or Who doesn't watch games*

I've watched every single SAS and Cleveland game and Lebron is playing better than Kawhi...

Not by much, but Lebron has another level Kawhi can't reach.

[Alamо]

1. Kawhi (best two way player in the world. Spurs have a +75% winning percentage with him in the starting lineup since he joined the team. his impact speaks for itself)
2. Curry
3. Lebron
4. Durant
5. Westbrook


This list is just my preference of who I'd want on my team. Work ethic, defense, and intangibles are a large factor.

[HenryGarfunkle]

1. Durant
2. LeBron

GAP

Davis/Leonard/Curry/Westbrook/George

[swagga]

In what f*cking world is Kawhi Leonard better than Lebron? Or Durant?

Jesus... this forum brah...

in none vs lebron. Lebron is still the best in the game. Lol @curry fan, these nigggas don't know shit.

vs durant its debatable tbh. watch them games son.

[Fudge]

1. Kevin Durant
2. LeBron James
3. Steph Curry
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Russell Westbrook

[Leroy Jetson]

I'd take Harden over Kawhi and Westbrook
You can have him. No one else wants him.

[DOUBLE DRIBBLE]

I did a top 10 instead of just a top 5 because I feel 2-8 is interchangeable and that it was very close to me and if I only did a top 5 I felt that I would have been leaving a few players off that are deserving. The skillset between 2-8 is just too close for me to call.

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Curry
4. Davis
5. Cousins
6. Westbrook
7. George
8. Griffin
9. Harden
10. Lillard

Lebron is my clear cut #1 overall. Again... 2-8 is interchangeable but I still ranked them in order to where I felt their skillset falls. Not sure where I'd rank Kawhi... Probably somewhere between 11-15.

[game3524]

1. Curry
2. Durant
3. Lebron
4. Westbrook
5A. Kawhi
5B. George

[plowking]

in none vs lebron. Lebron is still the best in the game. Lol @curry fan, these nigggas don't know shit.

vs durant its debatable tbh. watch them games son.

I'd take Curry over Bron, but acting like Kawhi is close to being better than either Durant or Bron is ridiculous.

[sd3035]

how da fck is kawhi better than lebron? The dude doesn't attract double teams..

Leonard has a better PER, and is a much better defender

seems like he's better on both ends of the floor :applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

I'd take Curry over Bron, but acting like Kawhi is close to being better than either Durant or Bron is ridiculous.

No.. just no. People for months said Russ > KD, this is far less ridiculous.

[dhsilv]

how da fck is kawhi better than lebron? The dude doesn't attract double teams..

you ever heard of defense?

[dhsilv]

I did a top 10 instead of just a top 5 because I feel 2-8 is interchangeable and that it was very close to me and if I only did a top 5 I felt that I would have been leaving a few players off that are deserving. The skillset between 2-8 is just too close for me to call.

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Curry
4. Davis
5. Cousins
6. Westbrook
7. George
8. Griffin
9. Harden
10. Lillard

Lebron is my clear cut #1 overall. Again... 2-8 is interchangeable but I still ranked them in order to where I felt their skillset falls. Not sure where I'd rank Kawhi... Probably somewhere between 11-15.

How did you name 10 guys before Lowery? Who btw should be in the discussion for top 5 and is actually the reason I was going to post.

[dhsilv]

I'd take Curry over Bron, but acting like Kawhi is close to being better than either Durant or Bron is ridiculous.

Durant hasn't been that great this year, are you watching him? He's in the discussion for top 5, but he's not a lock this year. Just because he can make great plays at times, doesn't make up for the reality that basketball is a 48 minute sport.

[raprap]

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Curry
4. Westbrook
5. Cousins/Kawhi

[Alamо]

I'd take Curry over Bron, but acting like Kawhi is close to being better than either Durant or Bron is ridiculous.


Except the fact that Kawhi owned Durant head to head this year, and every time they play. I guess that means nothing though. People only care about PPG and box scores these days.

[warriorfan]

Three way tie for second place between LeBron, Leonard, and Durant.

Durant has the best per 36 minute stats out of them but he has the worst defense by a good margin. LeBron James has similar stats but better defense and impacts the game in more ways than Durant does. Leonard has the best defense by far and is still scoring well (22.8 ppg .614 TS%) but I think LeBron's playmaking edge may be slightly more valuable.

If I had to pick I would go with

1 Curry
2 LeBron
3 Leonard

Then Durant and Westbrook? These guys are pretty interchangeable but I think it's clear I would rather have Curry, LeBron, or Leonard on my team over Russell and Durant.

Honorable Mentions, Kyle Lowery, and Paul George.

[DOUBLE DRIBBLE]

How did you name 10 guys before Lowery? Who btw should be in the discussion for top 5 and is actually the reason I was going to post.
I don't think he is a top 10 player... I would rank him somewhere around 18-22 probably. I honestly don't think he's even top 5 at his position.

[ralph_i_el]

1. Curry
2. LeBron
3. Durant
4. Kawhi
5. Westbrook

CP3 and Blake in the top-10

6-15 are really deep too. Great year for NBA ball

[Rocketswin2013]

1. Curry
2. LeBron
3. Durant
4. Kawhi
5. Westbrook

CP3 and Blake in the top-10

6-15 are really deep too. Great year for NBA ball
I agree with this but I'd switch WB and Leonard.

[dhsilv]

I don't think he is a top 10 player... I would rank him somewhere around 18-22 probably. I honestly don't think he's even top 5 at his position.

So when you make an absurd statement like that, you kinda need to add some reasoning, even if it's bs just so you don't sound insane.

[TiagoSimoes]

Durant hasn't been that great this year, are you watching him? He's in the discussion for top 5, but he's not a lock this year. Just because he can make great plays at times, doesn't make up for the reality that basketball is a 48 minute sport.

So you say Durant isnt a lock for a top 5(which is right, he is a lock for top 3), but u say lowry should be in the convo for top 5? you crazy. lowry isnt even top 10, and id put him around 15-20 like the other guy said.

Edit: Lowry is avging 21/5/6 on 41% fg. Even thought i know he is a good defender at the PG and is the main drive behind the Raptors, that doesnt exactly scream top 10 player.. inefficient scorer who is an average distributor

[DOUBLE DRIBBLE]

So when you make an absurd statement like that, you kinda need to add some reasoning, even if it's bs just so you don't sound insane.Well then let's see... I'll rank top Point Guards. I'm sure most peeps on ISH would agree.

1. Curry
2. Westbrook
3. Rondo
4. Wall
5. Paul
6. Lillard
7. Parker
8. Irving (Even though Kyrie has only played 1 game this year I'd still rank him above Lowery based on his career numbers... He will be somewhere between 6-8 after he gets some games under his belt)

9-13

Take your pick...

Thomas
Bledsoe
Knight
Jackson
Lowery

I'd rank Lowery in the 9-13 range. Now based of stats alone there is no way he's a Top 5 PG... His stats/skills are more on par with the 9-13 crowd. I know I got Irving ranked at 8 even though he has been injured all year but in all honestly he's still better than lowery... But even if I took him off the list so what there are still at least 7 PG's better than Lowery in my opinion. I'd even go as far as saying Thomas and Bedsoe are slightly better than Lowery.


I honestly don't see how you have him ranked as a Top 5 player when he isn't even a Top 5 PG.

I mean lets be logical.... :roll:

[Fudge]

Durant hasn't been that great this year, are you watching him? He's in the discussion for top 5, but he's not a lock this year. Just because he can make great plays at times, doesn't make up for the reality that basketball is a 48 minute sport.
:roll:

Holy shit.

Meltdown.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Curry
Durant
LeBron
Kawhi
Westbrook

[warriorfan]

So you say Durant isnt a lock for a top 5(which is right, he is a lock for top 3), but u say lowry should be in the convo for top 5? you crazy. lowry isnt even top 10, and id put him around 15-20 like the other guy said.

Edit: Lowry is avging 21/5/6 on 41% fg. Even thought i know he is a good defender at the PG and is the main drive behind the Raptors, that doesnt exactly scream top 10 player.. inefficient scorer who is an average distributor

Defense. Lowery has 2.3 steals a game and plays very good defense. His field goal percentage is low because he takes a lot of 3's and free throws. Raptors also have a lot of ball movement so Lowery picks up hockey assists that don't get tallied. He is running one of the best offenses in the league and playing great defense as well. There are not 10 players playing better basketball than him right now.

[Heavincent]

Curry
Durant
LeBron
Kawhi
Westbrook

This looks right.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

1. Curry
2. James
3. Durant
4. Bryant
5. Westbrook

:oldlol:

[stalkerforlife]

The Kobe we see RIGHT NOW is top 5 in the world.

The whole season...no.

A list RIGHT NOW has to include Kobe Bryant.

[dubeta]

Kobe hasnt been top 5 since 2008


You need to let go Justin....

[TripleA]

The Kobe we see RIGHT NOW is top 5 in the world.

The whole season...no.

A list RIGHT NOW has to include Kobe Bryant.

Just stop your the reason why people hate on Kobe.

[stalkerforlife]

Just stop your the reason why people hate on Kobe.

The list is RIGHT NOW.

Kobe is 25, 5, 5 on 51% over his last 4.

He is BACK and YOU can't take it.

He's TOP 5 IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.

[TripleA]

The list is RIGHT NOW.

Kobe is 25, 5, 5 on 51% over his last 4.

He is BACK and YOU can't take it.

He's TOP 5 IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.

Last 4 games
Kevin Durant
James harden
Klay Thompson
Steph Curry
Kawhi Leonard
LeBron
Jimmy butler
Have been Better than Kobe.

[stalkerforlife]

Last 4 games
Kevin Durant
James harden
Klay Thompson
Steph Curry
Kawhi Leonard
LeBron
Jimmy butler
Have been Better than Kobe.

No.

You're a pathological liar.

[TripleA]

I am a foolish Kobe Stan who loves jimmer and other failures like Tim Tebow

Sounds about right

[SwayDizzle]

Kobe just creeped into the top 5

[GoSpursGo1984]

Any list that does not have Curry #1 is dumb and wrong he is by far the best player in the league.

[sportjames23]

I'd take Harden over Kawhi and Westbrook


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[dhsilv]

Well then let's see... I'll rank top Point Guards. I'm sure most peeps on ISH would agree.

1. Curry
2. Westbrook
3. Rondo
4. Wall
5. Paul
6. Lillard
7. Parker
8. Irving (Even though Kyrie has only played 1 game this year I'd still rank him above Lowery based on his career numbers... He will be somewhere between 6-8 after he gets some games under his belt)

9-13

Take your pick...

Thomas
Bledsoe
Knight
Jackson
Lowery

I'd rank Lowery in the 9-13 range. Now based of stats alone there is no way he's a Top 5 PG... His stats/skills are more on par with the 9-13 crowd. I know I got Irving ranked at 8 even though he has been injured all year but in all honestly he's still better than lowery... But even if I took him off the list so what there are still at least 7 PG's better than Lowery in my opinion. I'd even go as far as saying Thomas and Bedsoe are slightly better than Lowery.


I honestly don't see how you have him ranked as a Top 5 player when he isn't even a Top 5 PG.

I mean lets be logical.... :roll:

You can't possibly expect me to take you seriously when you rank Rondo 3rd among point guards and rank a guy with 1 game played ahead of him.

Lowry is 5th in RPM and 3rd in WINS. 4th in VORP, 5th in BPM, 5th WS, 10th WS/48, 13th in PER, tied for 6th in minutes played....

As for his efficiency he's got a better true shooting percentage than:

Chris Paul
Eric Bledsoe
Isaiah Thomas
Damian Lillard
Brandon Knight
Reggie Jackson
John Wall
Rajon Rondo

He has a lower turnover percentage than:

Damian Lillard
Reggie Jackson
Stephen Curry
Chris Paul
Brandon Knight
Eric Bledsoe
Russell Westbrook
John Wall
Rajon Rondo

But yeah, I guess I should just throw out lists and hope nobody who reads them has a clue...

[Just2McFly]

There's absolutely no way Durant is better than Lebron and Westbrook... you guys honestly need to stop.

[JohnFreeman]

Durant has a top 5 player and can't win a ring, what a garbage beta

[ArbitraryWater]

^ KD hate so lame with y'all.. yes, he's not better than LeBron, still not, which is kinda disappointing, but he's the 3rd or 4th best player in the world.


There's absolutely no way Durant is better than Lebron and Westbrook... you guys honestly need to stop.

really dude? :facepalm

"you guys" ? Like we're in the minority with this and you're not saying some insane shit right now?

[razzredazzre]

1a. Curry
1b. LeBron
2. Still KD
3. Kawhi
4. PG13
5. Westborok the monsta

Honorable mention : James no 'D' emasculated Haren, Kobe the modern day dying breed of GOATs Jellybean Bryant, currently loser status CP3, the whitest ***** Blake Griffin

[VengefulAngel]

1a. Curry
1b. LeBron
2. Still KD
3. Kawhi
4. PG13
5. Westborok the monsta

Honorable mention : James no 'D' emasculated Haren, Kobe the modern day dying breed of GOATs Jellybean Bryant, currently loser status CP3, the whitest ***** Blake Griffin

This is the GOAT list.

[Just2McFly]

^ KD hate so lame with y'all.. yes, he's not better than LeBron, still not, which is kinda disappointing, but he's the 3rd or 4th best player in the world.



really dude? :facepalm

"you guys" ? Like we're in the minority with this and you're not saying some insane shit right now?
In what world is Durant better than Westbrook?

Westbrook: 25/7/9/2.4 on 46%.........like come on son.

[ShawkFactory]

No.

You're a pathological liar.
Lebs averaging 28/7/6 on 54% over the last 5. Played less than 30 minutes in two of those game too.

82% from the line.

[ScalsFan21]

1. LeBron
2. Curry

3. Durant
4. Kawhi
5. Tough choice... I'll go with RWB.

I still think KD > RWB as it has been their entire careers, though obviously Durant is pure beta and Westbrook has more of an "it" factor. Curry is obviously playing at a ridiculous ATG level right now, but when you take GSW's out-for-blood mentality right now to go 73-9 or better, then you couple that with Curry himself seemingly gunning to repeat as MVP, and then contrast all that with LBJ's ability to coast out east in the RS... LeBron is still the best in the league even in his 13th NBA season.

Especially when the Cavs beat the Warriors this year in six games or less to take down the winningest team in NBA history. :bowdown:

[pauk]

OVERALL:

1. Lebron
2. KD
3. Curry
4. Westbrook
5. Not sure...

OFFENSE:

1. Curry
2. Lebron
3. Westbrook
4. Durant
5. Not sure...

DEFENSE:

1. Hassan
2. A.Davis
3. Deandre
4. Green
5. Kawhi

[Young X]

How can people not have Curry as #1 right now? I don't get it.

Like what more would you expect the best player in the league to do? How does it get any better than this?

Individually, his numbers and performances have been unbelievable and definitely better than anyone else's.

Then on top of that, his team is 26-1. TWENTY SIX AND ONE.

He and his team are literally at the apex of individual and team basketball. If he ended the season at this pace it would go down as one of if not the greatest season of all time which sounds crazy but it's true.

[Mass Debator]

The only answer is:

1. Curry
2. Lebron
3/4. Durant
4/3. Westbrook
5. Kawhi

[pauk]

How can people not have Curry as #1 right now? I don't get it.

Like what more would you expect the best player in the league to do? How does it get any better than this?

Individually, his numbers and performances have been unbelievable and definitely better than anyone else's.

Then on top of that, his team is 26-1. TWENTY SIX AND ONE.

He and his team are literally at the apex of individual and team basketball. If he ended the season at this pace it would go down as one of if not the greatest season of all time which sounds crazy but it's true.


Dont know about others, but for me its simple:

Individually, i consider the players overall game (defense is just as important aswell) and compare it all to others in the top 10 or top 5....

Team success, i consider what the players have to work with around them and see their actual impact in games like for example in their off nights (or when the player is not playing/being injured) how it affects the outcome.... and for the Warriors in that regard just like last year believe it or not it seems to not have noticable affect on the outcome of the game, they won all games he underperformed in... and last year they won a championship that way, with him having 0 Finals MVP votes... raises some eyebrows...

[game3524]

Dont know about others, but for me its simple:

Individually, i consider the players overall game (defense is just as important aswell) and compare it all to others in the top 10 or top 5....

Team success, i consider what the players have to work with around them and see their actual impact in games like for example in their off nights (or when the player is not playing/being injured) how it affects the outcome.... and for the Warriors in that regard just like last year believe it or not it seems to not have noticable affect on the outcome of the game, they won all games he underperformed in... and last year they won a championship that way, with him having 0 Finals MVP votes... raises some eyebrows...

What bullshit reasons.:oldlol:

Curry>Lebron.

[ShawkFactory]

I still really really don't think KD is better than Lebron.

LBJ outplays him pretty much every single time. He can kick it into a different gear and KD is left behind.

[game3524]

How can people not have Curry as #1 right now? I don't get it.

Like what more would you expect the best player in the league to do? How does it get any better than this?

Individually, his numbers and performances have been unbelievable and definitely better than anyone else's.

Then on top of that, his team is 26-1. TWENTY SIX AND ONE.

He and his team are literally at the apex of individual and team basketball. If he ended the season at this pace it would go down as one of if not the greatest season of all time which sounds crazy but it's true.

It is mainly coming from Lebron stans who are in complete denial. Curry is the best player in the league, and it isn't even up for debate.

[Genaro]

Durant
Curry
Lebron
Westbrook
Griffin

[mehyaM24]

In what world is Durant better than Westbrook?

Westbrook: 25/7/9/2.4 on 46%.........like come on son.

in the world of being more efficient and not playing like a chucker during waning moments of a game?

:confusedshrug:

durant is the better playoff performer by a healthy margin. you guys let the regular-season sway you tons..

[Fudge]

1. Kevin Durant
2. LeBron James
3. Steph Curry
4. Kawhi Leonard
5. Russell Westbrook

Sorry, i'm right and you're wrong.

[KiiiiNG]

In what world is Durant better than Westbrook?

Westbrook: 25/7/9/2.4 on 46%.........like come on son.
Oh my god. :facepalm

Do us all a favor and stop posting about basketball. Just stop

[Young X]

Dont know about others, but for me its simple:

Individually, i consider the players overall game (defense is just as important aswell) and compare it all to others in the top 10 or top 5....

Team success, i consider what the players have to work with around them and see their actual impact in games like for example in their off nights (or when the player is not playing/being injured) how it affects the outcome.... and for the Warriors in that regard just like last year believe it or not it seems to not have noticable affect on the outcome of the game, they won all games he underperformed in... and last year they won a championship that way, with him having 0 Finals MVP votes... raises some eyebrows...The thing is...Curry is so much ahead of anyone else offensively right now that it doesn't matter if he isn't a good defender.

Normally I would agree with you that having a better overall game is more important and have used that against him in the past but now he's just blowing everyone away on offense. Not just currently but historically.

Curry right now is #1 in...

PPG
TS%
PER
WS/48
BPM

and his team is on pace to have the best season ever.

There's nothing more you can ask from the #1 player in the league. It's the peak of individual and team play. He's clearly been the best player of these first 2 months.

[SexSymbol]

1.Stephen Curry

2.Lebron James
3.Kevin Durant
4.Paul George
5.Kawhi Leonard
HN Russell Westbrook

[Lebronxrings]

lebron james
kevin durant
russell westbrook
steph curry

everyone else is mainly a role player so #5 doesn't matter.

[DOUBLE DRIBBLE]

As for his efficiency he's got a better true shooting percentage than:

Chris Paul
Eric Bledsoe
Isaiah Thomas
Damian Lillard
Brandon Knight
Reggie Jackson
John Wall
Rajon Rondo

No he does not... ALL 8 of those Point Guards have a HIGHER shooting percentage than Lowery. Kyle Lowery is currently ranked #27 amongst Point Guards in FG% at .411






He has a lower turnover percentage than:

Damian Lillard
Reggie Jackson
Stephen Curry
Chris Paul
Brandon Knight
Eric Bledsoe
Russell Westbrook
John Wall
Rajon Rondo



Perhaps... But every one of those players average more assists with the exception of Brandon Knight. Let's look at something far more important though... Their "Assist To Turnover Ratio"

Kyle Lowery currently ranks 27th amongst NBA Point Guards.

Rondo
Paul
Wall
Westbrook
Jackson

All have better Assist to Turnover Ratio then Lowery.

He's 13th in Assists among PG's and 6th in Scoring as well but you think he's a Top-5 player.... okay man.


Again... I have no idea how you come up with him being a top-5 overall player in the NBA when statistically he isn't even a top-5 Point Guard in the NBA. The only thing he ranks #1 in amongst all Point Guards is committing Personal Fouls and getting called for Technical Fouls.

I'd still take... Curry, Paul, Westbrook, Lillard, Rondo, Thomas or Bledsoe over Lowery.

[maybeshewill13]

Big Dick Kevin
Lebron James
Stephen Curry
Russel Westbrook
Kawhi Leonard

[Smoke117]

hmm...in order:

1. Lebron James

2. Steph Curry

3. Kawhi Leonard

4. Kevin Durant

5. Blake Griffin

[24-Inch_Chrome]

No he does not... ALL 8 of those Point Guards have a HIGHER shooting percentage than Lowery. Kyle Lowery is currently ranked #27 amongst Point Guards in FG% at .411
Can you read? He clearly said true shooting percentage...

[Fudge]

Lowery

[dhsilv]

No he does not... ALL 8 of those Point Guards have a HIGHER shooting percentage than Lowery. Kyle Lowery is currently ranked #27 amongst Point Guards in FG% at .411






Perhaps... But every one of those players average more assists with the exception of Brandon Knight. Let's look at something far more important though... Their "Assist To Turnover Ratio"

Kyle Lowery currently ranks 27th amongst NBA Point Guards.

Rondo
Paul
Wall
Westbrook
Jackson

All have better Assist to Turnover Ratio then Lowery.

He's 13th in Assists among PG's and 6th in Scoring as well but you think he's a Top-5 player.... okay man.


Again... I have no idea how you come up with him being a top-5 overall player in the NBA when statistically he isn't even a top-5 Point Guard in the NBA. The only thing he ranks #1 in amongst all Point Guards is committing Personal Fouls and getting called for Technical Fouls.

I'd still take... Curry, Paul, Westbrook, Lillard, Rondo, Thomas or Bledsoe over Lowery.

Bold, yes he does. Go look it up, what possible reason would I have to lie about a stat that takes 3 seconds to look up and confirm?

As for the rest, again just go look at the impact he has when he's on the court. The advanced stats back up what I'm saying. Just watching his team with him and without him confirms the stats aren't crazy. That team is simply trash without him.

But yeah, lets ignore every advanced stat in favor of assist to turnover ratio....

[DOUBLE DRIBBLE]

Can you read? He clearly said true shooting percentage...As a matter of fact... Yes. I suffer from Presbyopia. I have extreme difficulty read small text... as is the case of me reading the forum on my small dimly lit iPhone. The auto brightness on my phone is quite sporadic. This creates some rather unfortunate problems for me when reading the forums.

But let me just clarify again that Lowery isn't a top-5 player not is he a top-5 PG... But I do think he is a very good player!

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1. Curry

2. Durant
3. Leonard
4. James
5. George

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Bold, yes he does. Go look it up, what possible reason would I have to lie about a stat that takes 3 seconds to look up and confirm?

As for the rest, again just go look at the impact he has when he's on the court. The advanced stats back up what I'm saying. Just watching his team with him and without him confirms the stats aren't crazy. That team is simply trash without him.

But yeah, lets ignore every advanced stat in favor of assist to turnover ratio....
Okay just looked it up sir and Paul and Thomas have the same exact TS% as Lowery. Perhaps I was ready your post wrong with my less than stellar vision but didn't you post that he had better True Shooting then those 2? Or perhaps you made a mistake by including them?


Btw... Bledsoe is 1% below lowery and Lillard and Knight are %2 below and 3%

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But yeah, lets ignore every advanced stat in favor of assist to turnover ratio....
What "advanced stats" am I ignoring? True Shooting is all you presented for your argument. I only posted about Assist To Turnover because you made a point to say that Lowery has less turnovers and I merely pointed out the fact his turnover to assist ratio wasn't as good as the other. You still have yet to make a case why he's a top-5 player.... Or even top-5 PG.

I admit he's a good player but not Top-5

Besides you quoted my post first seeming all shocked that I did not include him in my top-5

Get over it dude... I posted my reasons as to why he is NOT a top-5 player and you are yet to prove why he is.

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Maybe you should make a Top-5 PG thread so you can post all about the best player in the NBA "Kyle Lowery" and why he is so great. Maybe enough people on here can agree with you and you'll some how feel validated!:facepalm

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What "advanced stats" am I ignoring? True Shooting is all you presented for your argument. I only posted about Assist To Turnover because you made a point to say that Lowery has less turnovers and I merely pointed out the fact his turnover to assist ratio wasn't as good as the other. You still have yet to make a case why he's a top-5 player.... Or even top-5 PG.

I admit he's a good player but not Top-5

Besides you quoted my post first seeming all shocked that I did not include him in my top-5

Get over it dude... I posted my reasons as to why he is NOT a top-5 player and you are yet to prove why he is.


This was my first post in response to you.


You can't possibly expect me to take you seriously when you rank Rondo 3rd among point guards and rank a guy with 1 game played ahead of him.

Lowry is 5th in RPM and 3rd in WINS. 4th in VORP, 5th in BPM, 5th WS, 10th WS/48, 13th in PER, tied for 6th in minutes played....

As for his efficiency he's got a better true shooting percentage than:

Chris Paul
Eric Bledsoe
Isaiah Thomas
Damian Lillard
Brandon Knight
Reggie Jackson
John Wall
Rajon Rondo

He has a lower turnover percentage than:

Damian Lillard
Reggie Jackson
Stephen Curry
Chris Paul
Brandon Knight
Eric Bledsoe
Russell Westbrook
John Wall
Rajon Rondo

But yeah, I guess I should just throw out lists and hope nobody who reads them has a clue...

Now if since that day a few players moved up or down on TS% so be it. I took the values as of when I posted, and I never stated he was much better or worse than any of those guys. I just shorted the data by TS% and posted those below him.

I brought him up because he's an interesting borderline case for the top 5 and worthy of discussion. I'm fine to leave him off the top 5, but none the less with the advanced stats above, he has to be on one's radar or you need a strong reason why so many metrics think so highly of him, yet he isn't worthy. Instead your argument is that you somehow are better at interpreting box score stats than all the well tested and useful models listed above. If you have an issue with how he plays and feel he's getting stats without really adding the value they imply, that's a great reason to move him off the list. I unfortunately have only seen him in some of his better games this year, such as against the warriors where he unquestionably looked to me like a top 5 guy.

Now that said ranking him barely as a top 10 point guard and doing so on stats is just absurd.

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This was my first post in response to you.



Now if since that day a few players moved up or down on TS% so be it. I took the values as of when I posted, and I never stated he was much better or worse than any of those guys. I just shorted the data by TS% and posted those below him.

I brought him up because he's an interesting borderline case for the top 5 and worthy of discussion. I'm fine to leave him off the top 5, but none the less with the advanced stats above, he has to be on one's radar or you need a strong reason why so many metrics think so highly of him, yet he isn't worthy. Instead your argument is that you somehow are better at interpreting box score stats than all the well tested and useful models listed above. If you have an issue with how he plays and feel he's getting stats without really adding the value they imply, that's a great reason to move him off the list. I unfortunately have only seen him in some of his better games this year, such as against the warriors where he unquestionably looked to me like a top 5 guy.

Now that said ranking him barely as a top 10 point guard and doing so on stats is just absurd.

Seems you're trying to mislead by posting inacuarate out of date stats on TS%... okay my dude... Like it changed that much since you posted it one day ago... You told me took look it up and I did.:confusedshrug:


Also that wasn't your first reply to me so stop lying already. lol


You got your panties all in a bunch because I didn't mention him in my top-10 list... I'm being absurd? Just because I rank 10 PG's higher than him? I think it's more absurd you think he's a top-5 player. lol




How did you name 10 guys before Lowery? Who btw should be in the discussion for top 5 and is actually the reason I was going to post.

^^^ I guess you didn't post this... Just my lousy vision again I guess.

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Seems you're trying to mislead by posting inacuarate out of date stats on TS%... okay my dude... Like it changed that much since you posted it one day ago... You told me took look it up and I did.:confusedshrug:


Also that wasn't your first reply to me so stop lying already. lol


You got your panties all in a bunch because I didn't mention him in my top-10 list... I'm being absurd? Just because I rank 10 PG's higher than him? I think it's more absurd you think he's a top-5 player. lol




^^^ I guess you didn't post this... Just my lousy vision again I guess.

If you wish to ignore the talking points and turn this into some kind of pissing match, I'll go elsewhere.