A Gentler War on Drugs

[DonDadda59]

As most of you probably don't know because all the craze is Muslims in the media today... A much more serious issue has been hitting the mainland. Some stats to preface:

-Heroin use has quadrupled since 2002, with a 39% increase from 2012 to 2013 alone.

- 75% of users today abused prescription opioids, 45% of heroin addicts are also addicted to painkillers. People who abuse opioids are 40X more likely to become heroin addicts.

-90% of first time users are White and from higher income brackets than people who were affected by the drug epidemics of the 70s-90s (AKA poor Black people).

Source (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/30/us/31heroin-deaths.html?_r=0)

It's gotten so bad that it has become the major issue in the Presidential campaigns in New Hampshire (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/22/politics/new-hampshire-2016-addiction/).

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/151210125038-heroin-overdose-deaths-new-hampshire-line-chart-exlarge-169.png

So now that America's drug problem has shifted from poor, mostly Black neighborhoods and into the mostly White suburbs... Surely we're going to see the same zero tolerance War on Drugs with harsh prison sentences for abusers, right?

Well, you see what had happened was...

[INDENT]In Heroin Crisis, White Families Seek Gentler War on Drugs
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYEOCT. 30, 2015

NEWTON, N.H.

[Nick Young]

white is alright:cheers:

[DonDadda59]

white is alright:cheers:

Not when it comes to heroin.

But at least we'll only have to wait a few more years for 'The Wire' set in some small town in New Hampshire. New Hampshterdam. :applause:

[Nick Young]

Not when it comes to heroin.

But at least we'll only have to wait a few more years for 'The Wire' set in some small town in New Hampshire. New Hampshterdam. :applause:
Next season of The Wire better be based on the Baltimore riots.



Avon, Chris and Weebay break out of prison and use the distraction of the riots to reclaim their city with whatever force necessary.

Cutty comes out of retirement and becomes a soldier again.

Randy turns 18 and becomes Weebay's new protege after the disappointment of what his real son Namond became.

Also, Ice Cube takes over the role of Cedric Daniels.


Will be good.

[BasedTom]

there is literally nothing wrong with quote unquote "drugs", unless you're a ******, in which case you have bigger problems

[MMKM]

Heroin...just another reason to build a wall. :cheers:

[TheMan]

US law enforcement and justice system is racist

In other news, water is wet and Trump is an idiot...

[DonDadda59]

Anyone else find it odd that a decade following our invasion of Afghanistan, all of a sudden heroin use explodes back home?

Just looked it up... Surprise surprise.


As Heroin Use Grows in U.S., Poppy Crops Thrive in Afghanistan

In Afghanistan, opium production is growing like a weed — and nothing, not even billions of dollars of U.S. money, has been able to quell it.

According to the United Nations, the war-torn nation provides 90 percent of the world's supply of opium poppy, the bright, flowery crop that transforms into one of the most addictive drugs in existence.

And as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sounds the alarm about a worsening heroin epidemic here in the U.S., opium production in Afghanistan shows no signs of slowing down.

"Afghanistan has roughly 500,000 acres, or about 780 square miles, devoted to growing opium poppy. That's equivalent to more than 400,000 U.S. football fields — including the end zones," John Sopko, Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, said in a speech in May.

The U.S. has spent $8.4 billion in counternarcotics programs in Afghanistan. But opium output keeps rising: Fifteen years ago, Afghanistan accounted for just 70 percent of global illicit opium production.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/heroin-use-grows-u-s-poppy-crops-thrive-afghanistan-n388081

We set out to spread democracy and find weapons of mass destruction... Instead we fomented chaos and terrorism and brought back a heroin epidemic. All of this is going to be great for movies and television shows one day. I can see it now-

American Gangster II starring John Travolta.

The Afghani Connection

All Oscar bait. :applause:

[Nick Young]

No you have a problem with us HELPING OUT the Afghani economy my importing their staple crop?


Do you like the Afghanis or do you not? Make up your mind!

[DonDadda59]

No you have a problem with us HELPING OUT the Afghani economy my importing their staple crop?


Do you like the Afghanis or do you not? Make up your mind!

Some of my best friends are Afghani. But we should just stop importing anything Muslim-related until we figure out what the hell is going on.

Still doe... It's at least noteworthy that we set out to topple the Taliban but instead our White heroin fiends are just making them rich by snorting/injecting heroin cultivated from Afghani poppy seeds.

The Circle of Life.

[MMKM]

I blame Obama for dropping drugs into white neighborhoods as an act of racial oppression.

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Anyone else find it odd that a decade following our invasion of Afghanistan, all of a sudden heroin use explodes back home?

Just looked it up... Surprise surprise.

[INDENT]As Heroin Use Grows in U.S., Poppy Crops Thrive in Afghanistan

In Afghanistan, opium production is growing like a weed

[DonDadda59]

I blame Obama for dropping drugs into white neighborhoods as an act of racial oppression.

Payback's a dish best served Black. :pimp:

But on a serious note, for all of that sweet gold Afghani poppy to make its way all the way to the U.S.... There's definitely some high ranking officials who are part of the trafficking network. That much is clear.


The Taliban was a horribly oppressive regime but one of the few positives was that they were hardcore against heroine and they really had that shit under control.

Funny how heroine has made a huge comeback after the US invaded Afghanistan :lol

According to that article, the Taliban is more or less forcing people to use their farms for poppy cultivation and they're making off like bandits from the taxes they collect. And now that heroin is somehow making its way into small towns in New Hampshire.

Our excursions into the Middle East this past decade and change have been one big circle jerk. ISIS and the Taliban are sitting pretty.

[TheMan]

I blame Obama for dropping drugs into white neighborhoods as an act of racial oppression.
Based Obama :bowdown:

[TheMan]

Payback's a dish best served Black. :pimp:

But on a serious note, for all of that sweet gold Afghani poppy to make its way all the way to the U.S.... There's definitely some high ranking officials who are part of the trafficking network. That much is clear.



According to that article, the Taliban is more or less forcing people to use their farms for poppy cultivation and they're making off like bandits from the taxes they collect. And now that heroin is somehow making its way into small towns in New Hampshire.

Our excursions into the Middle East this past decade and change has been one big circle jerk. ISIS and the Taliban are sitting pretty.
Fo' sho

Everyone in Mexico knows that the quantity of drugs that make their way to the US from south of the border doesn't happen without Gringo cooperation :lol

[Akrazotile]

So now that America's drug problem has shifted from poor, mostly Black neighborhoods and into the mostly White suburbs... Surely we're going to see the same zero tolerance War on Drugs with harsh prison sentences for abusers, right?


Cmon man. Don't go Al Sharpton on this.

The difference is obviously not about race, but about $.

There was no corporate gain to be had from people doing crack. Pharmaceutical opioids on the other hand are big business.

I'm sure plenty of politicians will speak demonstratively about the heroin issue when it's convenient for them. But I wouldn't expect them to be too concerned about the processed pain killers. That's made by their donors. And it has nothing to do with race. Just money.

Besides, if the point is that the government doesn't care about poor black folks... why would they invest so much money into drug prevention in those communities? If you lock up all the dealers for 100 years and the supply dries up and the community is less affected by drugs... that's actually helpful. Doesn't even make sense to put that in the 'anti-black conspiracy' file.

[Akrazotile]

And the growing army of families of those lost to heroin — many of them in the suburbs and small towns — are now using their influence, anger and grief to cushion the country’s approach to drugs, from altering the language around addiction to prodding government to treat it not as a crime, but as a disease.



But hey, I'm with you on this. Excusing criminal behavior because someone has 'an addiction' is bullshit.

These days, everyone knows there are resources out there to help them. And people know when they're losing control. If you have a problem, and you don't go seek help, don't ask for a bunch of sympathy when you get popped for holding up a store to get money for your fix. Addiction is a slippery slope, and a lot of good people fall into it. But if you reach a point where you need to commit crimes to keep your habit going, you're making the choice to do that instead of get help. Even a junkie is able to understand that crossroads. Plenty of people do handle it the right way. Those who don't, deserve to be held accountable.

And the fact is, some people are just very prone to being junkies. Due to whatever combination of genetics and life circumstance. It's tough and unfortunate, but we can't just allow them to do as they please without reprecussion by invoking the sympathy buzzword 'disease'.

I don't think we need to go hard after personal users of any drug. Some people can handle that stuff. Fine. But if you're dealing? You know the penalties, you're taking the risk. And if you're using AND committing crimes? You know there's help out there, but you'd rather take the risk. Don't complain when you get hit with the book.

[MMKM]

I have a white bud from back in high school who got busted for trafficking and he's serving 30 years. Doesn't have to do with race. Quantity, what strike you're on, those things factor in. Race nope. White guys get put away too

[DonDadda59]

Cmon man. Don't go Al Sharpton on this.

The difference is obviously not about race, but about $.

There was no corporate gain to be had from people doing crack. Pharmaceutical opioids on the other hand are big business.

I'm sure plenty of politicians will speak demonstratively about the heroin issue when it's convenient for them. But I wouldn't expect them to be too concerned about the processed pain killers. That's made by their donors. And it has nothing to do with race. Just money.

Besides, if the point is that the government doesn't care about poor black folks... why would they invest so much money into drug prevention in those communities? If you lock up all the dealers for 100 years and the supply dries up and the community is less affected by drugs... that's actually helpful. Doesn't even make sense to put that in the 'anti-black conspiracy' file.

This isn't about opioids, it's about heroin. An illicit street drug that authorities are now changing their strategies against. But only because now it's rampaging through the suburbs with mostly White users as opposed to the past when it was poor Blacks in ghettos. Heroin was the drug of choice too in the 70s before the crack epidemic of the 80s-90s (See: The Pizza Connection, The French Connection, etc). Same result in terms of law enforcement. No 'gentle' war and treating addiction like a disease.

But race has nothing to do with it. :oldlol:



I have a white bud from back in high school who got busted for trafficking and he's serving 30 years. Doesn't have to do with race. Quantity, what strike you're on, those things factor in. Race nope. White guys get put away too

Personal anecdotes aside. Plus this is more regarding users as opposed to traffickers.

[Akrazotile]

Oh shit, I just now noticed that article is literally titled "White families seek gentler war on drugs" :oldlol:


Classy as ever, New York Times :roll:

[TommyGriffin]

My coworkers brother used to suck dick for Oxy. Apparently a lot of them do it. They were white.

[DonDadda59]

Oh shit, I just now noticed that article is literally titled "White families seek gentler war on drugs" :oldlol:


Classy as ever, New York Times :roll:

It's true doe. :confusedshrug:



My coworkers brother used to suck dick for Oxy. Apparently a lot of them do it. They were white.

That's more of a crackhead thing. Doubt race affects whether someone sucks d*ck for drugs. But the resident Nazi scientists/phrenologists would know better. :lol

[Nick Young]

My coworkers brother used to suck dick for Oxy. Apparently a lot of them do it. They were white.
So all the oxy dealers are homos and trying to convert more homos?:confusedshrug:

[longtime lurker]

Shocker. The justice system is racist as hell and white people are hypocrites

[TommyGriffin]

So all the oxy dealers are homos and trying to convert more homos?:confusedshrug:

No we need to treat this as a sickness not a crime. Our young white boys are out there smoking pole for pill money for heaven's sake.

[Akrazotile]

So all the oxy dealers are homos and trying to convert more homos?:confusedshrug:


#NotALLhomos

[DonDadda59]

No we need to treat this as a sickness not a crime. Our young white boys are out there smoking pole for pill money for heaven's sake.

Lock them up and throw away the key. Let them keep their heathenous d*cksucking ways in prison, where it belongs.

Possession of 5 grams of crack in the 80s got you a minimum 5 years as a first offense (500 grams of cocaine for the same sentence since it was viewed as more 'high class'). Now young Jimmy H Fiend can walk into a police station with a brick of heroin and a needle in his arm and he'll get the help he needs to overcome his disease.

[tpols]

It's not a race thing, just a time thing.. many advanced countries have started to treat addiction as an illness rather than a crime.

Besides I don't believe these kids are causing near the carnage seen from 80s Crack epidemic. Mainly because they have more resources and don't have to go to extreme measures to get money.. but that's still a factor. When people are getting gunned down left and right over crack, they're going to go after people that have crack.

These 20 year old white kids aren't blasting people away and causing all sorts of collateral violent damage to society.. they're low key stealing from their friends and family, theyre not on some tookie Williams sawed off shotgun shit. So it's a bit different.

[TommyGriffin]

Lock them up and throw away the key. Let them keep their heathenous d*cksucking ways in prison, where it belongs.

Possession of 5 grams of crack in the 80s got you a minimum 5 years as a first offense (500 grams of cocaine for the same sentence since it was viewed as more 'high class'). Now young Jimmy H Fiend can walk into a police station with a brick of heroin and a needle in his arm and he'll get the help he needs to overcome his disease.

You have convinced me. I am having a paradigm shift. I used to be tough on the war on drugs but after seeing these young white guys prostitute themselves out for their fix I have changed my mind on the issue. I realize how biased the war against drugs has been and how the legislation has been written with an agenda to target African American communities. I just want these white kids to stop blowing guys for dope money.

[Akrazotile]

This isn't about opioids, it's about heroin. An illicit street drug that authorities are now changing their strategies against. But only because now it's rampaging through the suburbs with mostly White users as opposed to the past when it was poor Blacks in ghettos. Heroin was the drug of choice too in the 70s before the crack epidemic of the 80s-90s (See: The Pizza Connection, The French Connection, etc). Same result in terms of law enforcement. No 'gentle' war and treating addiction like a disease.

But race has nothing to do with it. :oldlol:



Times have changed in general.

I think it predominantly is not a race thing, but to some degree, sure, race may play a small part of it. Suburban white families vote. Poor black families - er, well, citizens anyway - not as much. That's what matters to politicians. It's not even about catering to any race out of preference. Just a matter of who's voting.

[~primetime~]

This is because heron is legal

All these people got hooked legally, opioids

Just go to your doctor, tell him your back is killing you...BAM free heroin

[Akrazotile]

This is because heron is legal

All these people got hooked legally, opioids

Just go to your doctor, tell him your back is killing you...BAM free heroin


And this is another thing that drives up the cost of insurance.

Which is why it pisses me off that so many on the left are so focused on 'free insurance, free insurance!' like the god damn thing is really free. We all pay for it, and the more it's abused, the higher the price goes. That's WHY healthcare is hard to afford for so many.

But nobody cares bout that shit. As long as the government subsidizes it for everyone with its magic wand, who cares what the cost is?

Shit, I'm surprised anyone gave a shit about Shkreli's price hike. It's not like patients aren't gonna get what they need. It's just gonna come out the government's magic wand.

Hurray! As long as the government pays, it doesn't cost anything!

[DonDadda59]

This is because heron is legal

All these people got hooked legally, opioids

Just go to your doctor, tell him your back is killing you...BAM free heroin

There's this old guy in my neighborhood who pronounces it Heh-Ron and he swears by its healing powers. You just reminded me of him. :lol

But no, heroin isn't legal... At least not technically. Looks like it's defacto legal in the 'burbs.

[~primetime~]

There's this old guy in my neighborhood who pronounces it Heh-Ron and he swears by its healing powers. You just reminded me of him. :lol

But no, heroin isn't legal... At least not technically. Looks like it's defacto legal in the 'burbs.
No technically I can legally acquire opiates from my doctor.

Read what you posted in the OP... That's the issue here

And that's why it's a white problem, whites are the ones with good health care

[BasedTom]

There's this old guy in my neighborhood who pronounces it Heh-Ron and he swears by its healing powers. You just reminded me of him. :lol

But no, heroin isn't legal... At least not technically. Looks like it's defacto legal in the 'burbs.
so is weed :confusedshrug:

weed wouldn't be an issue at all is it weren't for leshauntavious mcgriddle and his lot

ruining it for the rest of us smfh

[tpols]

No technically I can legally acquire opiates from my doctor.

Read what you posted in the OP... That's the issue here

And that's why it's a white problem, whites are the ones with good health care

vast majority of addicts don't have a prescription, they just know somebody who does..

[DonDadda59]

so is weed :confusedshrug:

weed wouldn't be an issue at all is it weren't for leshauntavious mcgriddle and his lot

ruining it for the rest of us smfh

Weed is perfectly legal in some States, with more set to join. Colorado and Washington are making a killing from the tax revenues from legal marijuana sales.


No technically I can legally acquire opiates from my doctor.


Again... Heroin is not legal. Just because you can get oxy from a doctor, doesn't mean you're getting heroin.

[BasedTom]

Weed is perfectly legal in some States, with more set to join. Colorado and Washington are making a killing from the tax revenues from legal marijuana sales.



Again... Heroin is not legal. Just because you can get oxy from a doctor, doesn't mean you're getting heroin.
after how many years fighting and politicking? it's ridiculous that anybody has ever been arrested for it in the first place

:coleman:

[DonDadda59]

after how many years fighting and politicking? it's ridiculous that anybody has ever been arrested for it in the first place

:coleman:

100% agree. It's the Tobacco industry's fault. They spent a fortune demonizing weed for decades.

But I think once other States realize that Washington, a State with only 7 million people, is set to make $1 billion in tax revenue (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-23/washington-expects-pot-sales-tax-revenue-surge-to-1-billion) over 4 years... They'll start singing a different tune.

http://assets.bwbx.io/images/ivCWxHqNQR9g/v2/-1x-1.png

[verylegit]

Weed is perfectly legal in some States, with more set to join. Colorado and Washington are making a killing from the tax revenues from legal marijuana sales.



Again... Heroin is not legal. Just because you can get oxy from a doctor, doesn't mean you're getting heroin.
What primetime means is that opioids are simply the stepping stone to heroin. They're technically synthetic derivatives so chemically theyre similar and attach to similar opiod receptors.

Why are they jumping to heroin?

Well, opiods are federally regulated and while they may be accessible, going to the doctor and paying for the prescription is more expensive than street heroin.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I didn't bother reading that entire novel, but yeah, heroin is a horrible drug.

I've had 2 childhood classmates die from heroin overdoses within the last 2 months.

Drugs are no good.

[Akrazotile]

100% agree. It's the Tobacco industry's fault. They spent a fortune demonizing weed for decades.
[/IMG]


Wow, that surprises me. Everyone I know that smokes both cigs and weed loves lighting up cigs while they're high. Or drunk. Or under any influence. In fact, back in my earlier days, when the occasional shrooming may or may not have been done, I would buy a pack of ultra lights and suck em down I was lit...

...and driving around :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm .

[Akrazotile]

I didn't bother reading that entire novel, but yeah, heroin is a horrible drug.

I've had 2 childhood classmates die from heroin overdoses within the last 2 months.

Drugs are no good.


I think what you mean to say is


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a7/2c/f4/a72cf41249a5b2e135a9c19cc81415bc.jpg

[KNOW1EDGE]

Dodda your whole "woe is me poor black man" act is getting old.

Have some self-respect breh :oldlol:

[~primetime~]

What primetime means is that opioids are simply the stepping stone to heroin. They're technically synthetic derivatives so chemically theyre similar and attach to similar opiod receptors.

Why are they jumping to heroin?

Well, opiods are federally regulated and while they may be accessible, going to the doctor and paying for the prescription is more expensive than street heroin.
Heroin IS an opiate

Those pain killers are heroin in pill form... It's the same high

[verylegit]

Heroin IS an opiate

Those pain killers are heroin in pill form... It's the same high
They bind to slightly different opiate receptors. And heroin is not synthetic.