Is Manu Ginobili a HOF lock?

[TheImmortal]

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He singlehandedly beat Tim Duncan's team usa team and carried the Spurs to a championship in 2005. :confusedshrug:

[BasedTom]

Yes. Much more than that barely sentient shitstain tony parker

[34-24 Footwork]

Absolutely.

So is:

Parker
Bowen

[Fallen Angel]

Is OP retarded or something?

[Nick Young]

Yes.

[Nick Young]

Yes. Much more than that barely sentient shitstain tony parker
You mean the man with 4 rings and more Finals MVPs than Steph Curry?:confusedshrug:

[GrapeApe]

Why are there so many HOF threads about guys who are CLEARLY HOFers? Ginobli is a top 10-15 all-time SG. He'll make first ballot.

[ArbitraryWater]

Why are there so many HOF threads about guys who are CLEARLY HOFers? Ginobli is a top 10-15 all-time SG. He'll make first ballot.

True, and top 10 for sure

[Euroleague]

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He singlehandedly beat Tim Duncan's team usa team and carried the Spurs to a championship in 2005. :confusedshrug:

No, he did not. Stop spreading that myth.

[derb2k2]

a no-brainer.

[Kobe_6/8]

Yes. He was a crucial part of the Spurs dynasty. Parker/Duncan/Manu/Pop are all getting in.

[TaLvsCuaL]

First ballot in my book.

[bizil]

Yep Manu is a lock! Between his international and NBA career, it's a given he will be in Springfield. Regarding the ALL AROUND aspects across the board, peak Manu is arguably a top 10 SG of all time. GOAT wise, I think he's a top 15 SG. At his best, he was a 20 points-5 dimes-5 rebounds top tier SG.

But I think overall, Manu was an alpha dog level SG who could CARRY A TEAM if he had too. However, his durability issues would stand in his way of doing year after year on teams who needed that. The only flaw in Manu's armor was durability issues. If u look at Manu's minutes during his career, he only played over 30 minutes a game TWICE in his career. Pop did a masterful job managing Manu.

Numbers wise, any student of the game knows that Manu was capable of putting up 24-25 points-6 assists-6 rebounds in a season. But in that Spurs system, he didn't have to put up those numbers. His skillset, athletic ability, and killer instinct was still apparent though in that system.

[kentatm]

Absolutely.

So is:

Parker
Bowen


Manu - yes

Tony - yes

Bowen - :roll: :roll: :roll: absolutely not

[Kblaze8855]

Of course hes a lock....largely for international reasons. And there were like 7 NBA players on Argentina. And they lost 2 times in those olympics. It was an odd year in general. Nobody just took over.

They lost to spain....who America beat.

They lost to Italy....and then beat them later.

Manu came up big vs team USA...Scola won them the gold medal game.

He and Scola were doing about the same numbers. Then they also had Hermann, Nocioni, Delfino....and someone I cant think of. They had at least 6 NBA players I know.

[Cold soul]

Easily, yes without a doubt.

[Kblaze8855]

Oberto. Center from the Spurs. Thats who I couldnt remember. And Pepe Sanchez...but I wasnt thinking of him earlier. Fringe NBA player who was on a few teams.

[sportjames23]

Manu - yes

Tony - yes

Bowen - :roll: :roll: :roll: absolutely not


This.

[Cold soul]

The sad thing about Manu in different team and system being the #1 option instead of coming of the bench he could had much better careers numbers. Also some greater seasons he was really unselfish and team guy that step aside for Spurs he had no ego. It sucks he could had much greater career to me if he was drafted for another franchise and locked upon different historically today.

[Euroleague]

Of course hes a lock....largely for international reasons. And there were like 7 NBA players on Argentina. And they lost 2 times in those olympics. It was an odd year in general. Nobody just took over.

They lost to spain....who America beat.

They lost to Italy....and then beat them later.

Manu came up big vs team USA...Scola won them the gold medal game.

He and Scola were doing about the same numbers. Then they also had Hermann, Nocioni, Delfino....and someone I cant think of. They had at least 6 NBA players I know.

Oberto, Sanchez, and Wolkowsky were also their other NBA players, and also Montechia was the lead guard and best play maker of the team, and he did most of the damage in crunch time against USA, even though no one wants to credit him for it ever.

But yes, this whole notion that "Manu single handed beat Team USA" and "single handed led Argentina to a gold medal" is absolutely absurd.

Manu is definitely a hall of fame player, and he should be in there without a doubt, but the myths created around that 2004 Olympics with him is in the Wilt's tall tales level of exaggeration.

Also, if you want to be totally knowledgeable on this subject, don't forget that Argentina should have lost to Greece in the quarterfinals, and only got past the quarterfinals because of the refs helping them. Doug Collins even said that at the time, so don't doubt what I am saying.

They actually should not have even made the semifinals, based just one merit of how they played. They got very lucky to win that gold medal. Especially considering that Italy had been great that whole summer, and then suddenly Scola just dominated them in the final. I don't think they could have beaten Italy without Scola just having a huge game, and they beat Greece basically on ref help and luck.

And don't forget how they got lucky against Serbia in the first game, when Manu had a miracle and pure just absolute lucky buzzer beater. I remember Doug Collins saying how between that miracle buzzer beater against Serbia and the refs helping them against the host team Greece, that it was like destiny and meant to be that they were getting the gold, because they had so much luck on their side in that tournament.

Not to mention the revisionist history people now imply in how they imply Argentina just beat USA. But actually it was Italy, Puerto Rico, Lithuania, and Argentina that beat that 2004 USA team (Greece and Spain also almost beat them, particularly they almost lost the game against Greece), clearly that 2004 USA team was not nearly remotely at the level of most USA teams. Even the USA team from 2 years later in 2006, that got the bronze at the FIBA World Cup, was better by leaps and bounds than the 2004 USA team.

Winning that gold medal in 2004 was a great accomplishment obviously, but it's blown out of proportion by about 100 times. Lots of teams over the years won FIBA World Cups and Olympics gold medals and it was a much harder achievement than what Argentina did in 2004.