Breakaway Muslim rebels kill nine people in southern Philippines

[Nick Young]

MANILA (Reuters) - A breakaway Muslim rebel group killed nine civilians in the southern Philippines in a series of attacks on Christmas eve, officials said on Saturday, in a reminder that the region remains volatile despite recent gains in the peace process.

Army troops killed four members of the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters, a faction opposed to a peace deal between government and the mainstream Muslim rebel group, after they attacked a farming town in Sultan Kudarat province on the southern island of Mindanao.

Miriam Ferrer, the government's chief negotiator in peace talks with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, said seven farmers were shot at close range while working in their rice paddies and two other civilians were killed in a grenade attack on a chapel in nearby North Cotabato province.

Ferrer said the rebels had also taken civilian hostage in the Sultan Kudarat attack and used them as human shields when soldiers pursued them, but the hostages were later freed.

The Bangsamoro group broke away from the main Muslim rebel group in 2011 to fight for the creation of an Islamic state in the south of the mainly Catholic country, a goal shared by another small militant group, Abu Sayyaf, which has gained notoriety for bombings, beheadings and kidnappings of foreigners in the western part of Mindanao.

The ceasefire with the main Moro Islamic Liberation Front is holding, however, while both the government and communist guerrillas declared a 12-day ceasefire from Dec. 23 nationwide to mark the Christmas and New Year's holidays. On Saturday, the Maoist-led rebel group is also celebrating its 46th anniversary.

Security forces are on heightened alert around shopping malls, churches, bus stations and ferry terminals during the holidays to guard against possible attacks.

Police officials said the group behind the Christmas eve attacks in Mindanao had pledged allegiance to Islamic State militants in the Middle East in videos posted to YouTube but they had no evidence linking them directly to militants from Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. They also had no evidence that any Filipinos had traveled to the Middle East to fight with IS.

In March 2014, the Philippines signed a peace deal with the main Muslim rebels granting the minority Moro people autonomy in exchange for dismantling the 11,000-strong guerrilla army and turning over their weapons, ending a 45-year conflict that killed 120,000 people and displaced 2 million.
http://news.yahoo.com/breakaway-muslim-rebels-kill-nine-people-southern-philippines-061005531.html


Even in the Philippines, a former American colony, Muslim rebels are killing people. This was a Christmas tragedy.


RIP

[Akrazotile]

SMDH. Extremely sad. RIP to victims.

[imdaman99]

Very sad. No civilians should ever be held as hostages, they didn't sign up for that shit.

Hope Lebron23 is alright.

RIP to the victims.

[Akrazotile]

Very sad. No civilians should ever be held as hostages, they didn't sign up for that shit.

Hope Lebron23 is alright.

RIP to the victims.


This was the part that bothered you?

[imdaman99]

This was the part that bothered you?
NO! Cant you TELL THAT NONE OF IT BOTHERED ME?!!!

http://www.somegif.com/gifs/1363622641819952839.GIF

[verylegit]

Starface oh starface, go to a far place

[DonDadda59]

Even in the Philippines, a former American colony, Muslim rebels are killing people.

The Philippines, along with Myanmar and Indonesia, is one of the most volatile spots on Earth in terms of religious violence. Manny Pacquiao has to travel with a small army everywhere he goes in his own country because he is an outspoken Catholic and his family has been the target of threats, kidnapping attempts, etc.

In that part of the World, even Buddhists (http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/myanmars-buddhist-terrorism-problem.html) are getting into the terror game (especially in Myanmar/Burma).

http://www.newrebound88.com/Content/Userfiles/xThe-Face-of-Buddhist-Terror-s.jpg.pagespeed.ic.O7yZPGIbo_.jpg

They've been slaughtering Muslims if you can believe it.

Of course you'll never hear about that in most Western media news outlets.

[Nick Young]

The Philippines, along with Myanmar and Indonesia, is one of the most volatile spots on Earth in terms of religious violence. Manny Pacquiao has to travel with a small army everywhere he goes in his own country because he is an outspoken Catholic and his family has been the target of threats, kidnapping attempts, etc.

In that part of the World, even Buddhists (http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/myanmars-buddhist-terrorism-problem.html) are getting into the terror game (especially in Myanmar/Burma).

http://www.newrebound88.com/Content/Userfiles/xThe-Face-of-Buddhist-Terror-s.jpg.pagespeed.ic.O7yZPGIbo_.jpg

They've been slaughtering Muslims if you can believe it.

Of course you'll never hear about that in most Western media news outlets.
If only Islam didn't teach the other religions how to kill, there might be peace on earth this day.

[Nick Young]

On Tuesday, Buddhist mobs attacked mosques and burned more than 70 homes in Oakkan, north of Rangoon, after a Muslim girl on a bicycle collided with a monk. One person died and nine were injured.

Once again, the Muslims attacked first...
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22356306

[DonDadda59]

If only Islam didn't teach the other religions how to kill, there might be peace on earth this day.

Ignorance is bliss. :oldlol:

The cancer of religion has been allowed to fester and grow for too long. And no one group holds the patent on extremist violence. Most uninformed fools think of the Dalai Lama or Richard Gere when they think 'Buddhist'. The image of the holy man who wouldn't hurt a fly. Peace, love, and all that other good shit.

The Reality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5jHfbczGOA)

Religion of Peace (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtAl9zJ3t-M) :bowdown:

[Nick Young]

Ignorance is bliss. :oldlol:

The cancer of religion has been allowed to fester and grow for too long. And no one group holds the patent on extremist violence. Most uninformed fools think of the Dalai Lama or Richard Gere when they think 'Buddhist'. The image of the holy man who wouldn't hurt a fly. Peace, love, and all that other good shit.

The Reality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5jHfbczGOA)

Religion of Peace (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtAl9zJ3t-M) :bowdown:
Buddhism fundamentally is a religion of peace and non-aggression.

Burmans and Malaysians making things up and following the religion incorrectly do not change that. Buddhism is built on a foundation of non-violent and pacifist teachings. the tiny minority of Buddhists who justify violence through their religion are doing it wrong.


In contrast, because I know where you are going with this, Islam was a religion that was fundamentally built on violence and aggressive expansion. Not all Muslims are violent or support violence in the name of Islam.





That doesn't change the fact that the religion has a history of violence from the very beginning. Mohammad, the prophet of Islam, committed acts of violence and instructed his followers to commit acts of violence in the name of expanding the religion. Islam is built, in its very foundations, by the founder of the religion, on violence.



Buddhists who murder in the name of Buddhism are directly violating the teachings of the Buddha.


Muslims who murder in the name of Islam are following in the example set by the prophet of Islam, Mohammad. They are doing exactly what Mohammad and the first Muslims did.

[DonDadda59]

Buddhism fundamentally is a religion of peace and non-aggression.

Where have I heard that before? :confusedshrug:


Burmans and Malaysians making things up and following the religion incorrectly do not change that. Buddhism is built on a foundation of non-violent and pacifist teachings. the tiny minority of Buddhists who justify violence through their religion are doing it wrong.

Where have I heard that before? :confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

Where have I heard that before? :confusedshrug:



Where have I heard that before? :confusedshrug:
Islam has a history of violence from the very beginning. Mohammad, the prophet of Islam, committed acts of violence and instructed his followers to commit acts of violence in the name of expanding the religion. Islam is built, in its very foundations, by the founder of the religion, on violence.

Buddhists who murder in the name of Buddhism are directly violating the teachings of the Buddha.


Muslims who murder in the name of Islam are following in the example set by the prophet of Islam, Mohammad. They are doing exactly what Mohammad and the first Muslims did. They are doing exactly what the words in the Koran and Hadiths encourage them to do.


There are no Buddhist texts or holy writings that encourage or even justify violence, let alone instruct followers of Buddhism to commit acts of violence and aggression in the name of spreading Buddhism.


In contrast, Mohammad himself directly ordered the executions of hundreds of people in the name of Islam throughout his life, and also lead violent military campaigns in the name of spreading Islam.

[DonDadda59]

Islam has a history of violence from the very beginning. Mohammad, the prophet of Islam, committed acts of violence and instructed his followers to commit acts of violence in the name of expanding the religion. Islam is built, in its very foundations, by the founder of the religion, on violence.

Buddhists who murder in the name of Buddhism are directly violating the teachings of the Buddha.


Muslims who murder in the name of Islam are following in the example set by the prophet of Islam, Mohammad. They are doing exactly what Mohammad and the first Muslims did. They are doing exactly what the words in the Koran and Hadiths encourage them to do.


There are no Buddhist texts or holy writings that encourage or even justify violence, let alone instruct followers of Buddhism to commit acts of violence and aggression in the name of spreading Islam.

And in the end, in practical terms, that means what?

F*ck All. That's what.

Buddhists are slaughtering scores of Muslims, Christians (https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2014/01/2974249/), and other groups Worldwide. But you never hear about that.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Buddhist-monk-with-gun.jpg

http://www.uktamilnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/buddhist-monks-protest-in-colombo_2865342.jpg

Religion of Peace doe. :facepalm

[Nick Young]

And in the end, in practical terms, that means what?

F*ck All. That's what.

Buddhists are slaughtering scores of Muslims, Christians (https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2014/01/2974249/), and other groups Worldwide. But you never hear about that.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Buddhist-monk-with-gun.jpg

http://www.uktamilnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/buddhist-monks-protest-in-colombo_2865342.jpg

Religion of Peace doe. :facepalm
So because some Buddhists in Myanmar and Sri Lanka are directly contradicting everything in their religion, it means Buddhism is a religion of violence?

If that is what you wish to believe, go on believing it.



When Muslims kill in the name of Islam, they are correctly following in the example of their holy prophet and the words of encouragement written in the holy book of Islam the Koran.


When Buddhists kill in the name of Buddhism, they are directly violating the teachings of Buddha and everything that the religion stands for.

[DonDadda59]

So because some Buddhists in Myanmar and Sri Lanka are directly contradicting everything in their religion, it means Buddhism is a religion of violence?

Yup Yup.


If that is what you wish to believe, go on believing it.

Plenty of people think that way.


When Muslims kill in the name of Islam, they are correctly following in the example of their holy prophet and the words of encouragement written in the holy book of Islam the Koran.

And yet plenty of Muslims disagree.


When Buddhists kill in the name of Buddhism, they are directly violating the teachings of Buddha and everything that the religion stands for.

Where have I heard that before? :confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

And yet plenty of Muslims disagree.


You are being obtuse.


It doesn't matter if they disagree. The facts remain.

Mohammad directly ordered the execution of hundreds of people in the name of Islam, including poets who wrote songs mocking Mohammad and Islam.

Mohammad lead a violent military campaign that resulted in the deaths of thousands of people.

The Koran has several verses that encourage violence and murder in the name of Islam.

These are all facts.

[DonDadda59]

You are being obtuse.


It doesn't matter if they disagree. The facts remain.

No, no, no... I agree 1000% with you.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32929855

http://www.dw.com/en/violence-in-the-name-of-buddhism/a-16929981

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/01/asian-buddhism-fundamentalism_n_5248880.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/10/buddhist-bhutan-wrestles-_n_821606.html

Buddha says no violence. Buddhists say yes violence.

Religion of Peace doe. :applause:


These are all facts.

Oh (https://youtu.be/zX9RVI0vaDs?t=15s)

[BigNBAfan]

I'm starting to believe the Hindus, Buddhist and modern day Christians are the only three that are peaceful. Obviously you can't ask a lion to hold its mouth shut if it's being poked by these barbaric muslims and their human faced horse. Tear em up religions.

Christians vs Muslims
Hindus vs Muslims
Buddhist vs Muslims

It's happening... :rockon:

get these sand dwellers outta here.

[Akrazotile]

There will always be people who seek to commit violence, and many of them will couch it in their religion whether the religion says to or not. That's just a part of the human condition.

However, having the religion itself directly encourage it, and having that religion embraced by a billion people around the world, is probably just adding fuel to the fire. Just a lil bit, ya know?

[MMKM]

Buddha say, bombs away.

Now we just need some radical Hindus in that shiz for the trifecta.

Soundgarden #BlowUpTheOutsideWorld

[DonDadda59]

Buddha say, bombs away.

Now we just need some radical Hindus in that shiz for the trifecta.

Soundgarden #BlowUpTheOutsideWorld

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JsYjn8yXhSQ/ThDP2_tmKII/AAAAAAAAFE8/RfD1P2JCp8w/gerelama.jpg

Richard Gere to the Dalai Lama: "Namaste. After we reach Nirvana, let's go gun down some Muzzies"

It's 20 Goddamn 15 going on 16, people. :facepalm

[Nick Young]

No, no, no... I agree 1000% with you.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32929855

http://www.dw.com/en/violence-in-the-name-of-buddhism/a-16929981

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/01/asian-buddhism-fundamentalism_n_5248880.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/10/buddhist-bhutan-wrestles-_n_821606.html

Buddha says no violence. Buddhists say yes violence.

Religion of Peace doe. :applause:



Oh (https://youtu.be/zX9RVI0vaDs?t=15s)
It is an ideology built on peace and non-violence being corrupted by violent non-peaceful people. The Buddha never committed or encouraged an act of violence.


in direct contrast, Islam is not an ideology built on peace and non-violence. People who commit acts of violence in the name of furthering the cause of Islam are doing exactly what it says to do in the Islamic holy book, and they are following the example set by the prophet of Islam.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Dadda is somehow becoming more annoying than any other poster on this site.

[MMKM]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JsYjn8yXhSQ/ThDP2_tmKII/AAAAAAAAFE8/RfD1P2JCp8w/gerelama.jpg

Richard Gere to the Dalai Lama: "Namaste. After we reach Nirvana, let's go gun down some Muzzies"

It's 20 Goddamn 15 going on 16, people. :facepalm

At first glance it looked like Richard Gere was arm wrestling the Dalai Lama. That's bucket list.

[MMKM]

Dadda is somehow becoming more annoying than any other poster on this site.

Buddha Say, DonDadda Gay.

[DonDadda59]

It is an ideology built on peace and non-violence being corrupted by violent non-peaceful people. The Buddha never committed or encouraged an act of violence.

That's nice. Doesn't stop Buddhists from committing atrocities in the name of Buddha does it?


Dadda is somehow becoming more annoying than any other poster on this site.

Who the f*ck are you? :confusedshrug:


Buddha Say, DonDadda Gay.

More lies from another false religion. :no:

So basically like every religion, ever.

[MMKM]

That's nice. Doesn't stop Buddhists from committing atrocities in the name of Buddha does it?



Who the f*ck are you? :confusedshrug:



More lies from another false religion. :no:

So basically like every religion, ever.

Just Joshin with you Josh. Everybody's a little gay. Like if gayness was milk, Akrozitle would be nonfat, you'd only be like 1% skim chocolate milk....

KevinNYC would be Vitamin D

[DonDadda59]

Just Joshin with you Josh. Everybody's a little gay. Like if gayness was milk, Akrozitle would be nonfat, you'd only be like 1% skim.

KevinNYC would be Vitamin D

He's posted shirtless pics and is obsessed with LeBron's d*ck. True stories, no religious bullshit. :coleman:

[KyrieTheFuture]

That's nice. Doesn't stop Buddhists from committing atrocities in the name of Buddha does it?



Who the f*ck are you? :confusedshrug:



More lies from another false religion. :no:

So basically like every religion, ever.
Kyrie Irving...you should probably know me since you're on a ball forum

[Akrazotile]

Dadda is somehow becoming more annoying than any other poster on this site.


He seems to want to show his solidarity with Islam by always trolling immediately after there's a mass killing of any kind.

If he'd lay off that I think hed be in good shape.

[Akrazotile]

He's posted shirtless pics and is obsessed with LeBron's d*ck. True stories, no religious bullshit. :coleman:


Hey! I posted "no homo times infinity" shortly after I signed up here so that I wouldnt have to add it after every questionable post. Shirtless photos and respect for LBJ's gargantuan package are made with strict hetero objectivity. Ive filed the necessary paperwork.

[DonDadda59]

Kyrie Irving...you should probably know me since you're on a ball forum

:lebronamazed:

Can you get me Mosgov's autograph?


He seems to want to show his solidarity with Islam by always trolling immediately after there's a mass killing of any kind.

If he'd lay off that I think hed be in good shape.

You trying to decipher my motives is like an ant trying to learn algebra.


Hey! I posted "no homo times infinity" shortly after I signed up here so that I wouldnt have to add it after every questionable post. Shirtless photos and respect for LBJ's gargantuan package are made with strict hetero objectivity. Ive filed all the necessary paperwork.

Bureaucratic bullshit gets another one off on a technicality. :rolleyes:

[MMKM]

He's posted shirtless pics and is obsessed with LeBron's d*ck. True stories, no religious bullshit. :coleman:

ok jeez, so he's 1% that pushes you up to 2% chocolate milk, Kevin stays firmly as vitamin D.

On a serious note, when's the first Muslim terrorist apocalypse video game coming out? Its 2015 going on 16, can't believe that still hasn't happened. If someone had the balls to make one for PC it would break records

Throw in a little Buddha bonus level, send it

[KyrieTheFuture]

:lebronamazed:

Can you get me Mosgov's autograph?



You trying to decipher my motives is like an ant trying to learn algebra.
He only signs autographs for bitches.
















You should be good.

[MMKM]

"Allah Akhbar's Apocalypse" or some jizz for PS4 and Xbox :cheers:

[DonDadda59]

He only signs autographs for bitches.
















You should be good.

C'Mon Son (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC75aU47GRk)


But seriously... Who the f*ck are you? You know me, but this is the first time I'm seeing your name.

So what's your story? Where you from? Who's your daddy and what does he do?

:confusedshrug:

[MMKM]

...or like a 2 player arcade game, grab a machine gun, little Nuke button on the dashboard....

[KyrieTheFuture]

C'Mon Son (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC75aU47GRk)


But seriously... Who the f*ck are you? You know me, but this is the first time I'm seeing your name.

So what's your story? Where you from? Who's your daddy and what does he do?

:confusedshrug:
Sorry I don't post here 40 times a day

[DonDadda59]

Sorry I don't post here 40 times a day

You- 5.8 posts/day
Me- 6.75 posts/day

Whopping difference of about 1 post per day.

And yet you know me.

But you didn't exist to me until a few minutes ago.

So that leaves just one question.

Who's your daddy... And what does he do?

[MMKM]

Like super gore, like chopping heads off, shooting terrorists into a pink mist, chainsaw attacks....

[Akrazotile]

He's posted shirtless pics and is obsessed with LeBron's d*ck. True stories, no religious bullshit. :coleman:


But seriously bro, have you SEEN this thing???

You can't BLAME a guy for giving credit where credit is due.

[DonDadda59]

But seriously bro, have you SEEN this thing???

You can't BLAME a guy for giving credit where credit is due.

https://media.giphy.com/media/RkZqtCBhVh17y/giphy.gif

[MMKM]

Jumbo jet level where you have to shoot all the hijackers on the plane and then parachute out of the plane, shoot all the parachuting terrorists out of the sky while avoiding the hostages

[KyrieTheFuture]

You- 5.8 posts/day
Me- 6.75 posts/day

Whopping difference of about 1 post per day.

And yet you know me.

But you didn't exist to me until a few minutes ago.

So that leaves just one question.

Who's your daddy... And what does he do?
You care enough to work that out? Relax man

[MMKM]

Canadian refugee level where the refugees go all ape sh!t and they're riding around on mooses and sh!t charging at the screen swinging machetes, throwing Molotov cocktails made out of maple syrup bottles. Sick.

[DonDadda59]

You care enough to work that out? Relax man

Bruh, you wandered in here and interrupted an A/B convo on some C yourself out shit. You invoked my name.

Naturally I'd be curious as to who you are, because frankly I don't have even the slightest clue. Right now you're on 'Nobody' status.

Are you an alt? Are you someone I conversed with in the past who got a new username? Did we know each other in a past life?

What. Is. Your. Story? :confusedshrug:

[KyrieTheFuture]

Bruh, you wandered in here and interrupted an A/B convo on some C yourself out shit. You invoked my name.

Naturally I'd be curious as to who you are, because frankly I don't have even the slightest clue. Right now you're on 'Nobody' status.

Are you an alt? Are you someone I conversed with in the past who got a new username? Did we know each other in a past life?

What. Is. Your. Story? :confusedshrug:
I don't think you know what an A -> B conversation is.

[DonDadda59]

I don't think you know what an A -> B conversation is.

I don't know a lot of things... Like who the f*ck you are. :confusedshrug:

[MMKM]

Bonus level of Trump Tetris where you have to build his wall using multiple shapes....

[LJJ]

But but but but, I thought Islamic terrorism only happened because of western imperialism.

[Akrazotile]

I mean Bron is packing an absolute MONSTER, i dont see how anyone can hate on that thing. But thats just me. :confusedshrug:

[Dresta]

I can't tell if Dadda is serious, or if this is some childish troll gimmick; i would of thought, with the amount he goes on about his life, and how great it is, he'd have better things to do than troll the religious on ISHs, but i guess not?

Or is it that you truly believe man is good and that it's only religion that gets him to act in all sorts of perverted ways? So now you're on a noble crusade against religion, with ISHs as the first battleground!

I honestly don't know which one is worse.

[MMKM]

Then it's off to level 3: tower level as you work your way up a smoke filled skyscraper with alarms going off blasting the filthy Mussie terrorists through floor to ceiling windows, kicking them down elevator shafts until you reach the hostage situation on the penthouse floor

[DonDadda59]

I can't tell if Dadda is serious, or if this is some childish troll gimmick; i would of thought, with the amount he goes on about his life, and how great it is, he'd have better things to do than troll the religious on ISHs, but i guess not?

Or is it that you truly believe man is good and that it's only religion that gets him to act in all sorts of perverted ways? So now you're on a noble crusade against religion, with ISHs as the first battleground!

I honestly don't know which one is worse.

Listen to your heart. There's the answer.

[MMKM]

Level 4: Gitmo. The prisoners have taken over and it's your job to clean up the mess. The prison guards are all behind bars. Kill your way through the terrorists and free the guards to get air lifted out of Gitmo, then hit that nuke button on your dashboard to mushroom cloud that b!tch. Mission accomplished.

[BigNBAfan]

I can't tell if Dadda is serious, or if this is some childish troll gimmick; i would of thought, with the amount he goes on about his life, and how great it is, he'd have better things to do than troll the religious on ISHs, but i guess not?

Or is it that you truly believe man is good and that it's only religion that gets him to act in all sorts of perverted ways? So now you're on a noble crusade against religion, with ISHs as the first battleground!

I honestly don't know which one is worse.

Makes no difference, put it on par as a muslim.

[MMKM]

After level 4 it's another bonus game, pin the tail on Hillary. This is a very challenging bonus game and if you can stick it on Hillary you'll be the first guy to nail her in over 20 years.

[imdaman99]

I can't tell if Dadda is serious, or if this is some childish troll gimmick; i would of thought, with the amount he goes on about his life, and how great it is, he'd have better things to do than troll the religious on ISHs, but i guess not?

Or is it that you truly believe man is good and that it's only religion that gets him to act in all sorts of perverted ways? So now you're on a noble crusade against religion, with ISHs as the first battleground!

I honestly don't know which one is worse.
You're being ridiculous. You are calling out the greatness that this board needs with Don's sarcasm and ignoring your 7,000 word essays? Ok than. Lest we forget how the OP sits here day in and day out with agenda threads, repeating the same old things a parrot can. Not to mention the sympathetic figure known as BigNBARetard who has been bullied in real life and we accept to make dumb hateful threads?

I understand you expect a lot from Don, but he is doing what needs to be done. Everyone fought for the freedom of satire. But no one has to die for this. Allow it and quit your bitching because you don't know how to properly reply to him :oldlol:

[MMKM]

For level 5 you are off to destroy ISIS in Iraq, but you're not just mowing down the Mussies. Camels and goats with rabies lurk around every corner and watch out for the IED's. Once you have eradicated ISIS the surprise level boss is a robot Saddam Hussein.

[poido123]

You're being ridiculous. You are calling out the greatness that this board needs with Don's sarcasm and ignoring your 7,000 word essays? Ok than. Lest we forget how the OP sits here day in and day out with agenda threads, repeating the same old things a parrot can. Not to mention the sympathetic figure known as BigNBARetard who has been bullied in real life and we accept to make dumb hateful threads?

I understand you expect a lot from Don, but he is doing what needs to be done. Everyone fought for the freedom of satire. But no one has to die for this. Allow it and quit your bitching because you don't know how to properly reply to him :oldlol:



Then again, you oppose Dresta because he opposes your muslim sympathiser Don Dadda?

:hammerhead:


Dresta has absolutely mauled every poster I've seen go at him with political topics. I feel kind of sorry for you guys, Dresta has far more intellect it's not a fair fight.


Start making a thread or two of your own, about how disappointed and ashamed you are to be a Muslim with the shit going on and disgusting evil treatment of humanity worldwide.


That sharia law is evil. You cannot justify how brutal and sadistic the law is. If that is the example set for muslims to live, then you need to have a hard look at why so many of yor people are miserable and unhappy.

[imdaman99]

But I'm proud to be a Muslim. I have nothing to do with these fanatical terrorists. You don't have to believe me, because I couldn't care less if you believe me or not. What matters is Allah's opinion of me :rockon:

[poido123]

But I'm proud to be a Muslim. I have nothing to do with these fanatical terrorists. You don't have to believe me, because I couldn't care less if you believe me or not. What matters is Allah's opinion of me :rockon:


It's not just terrorists.


More than half of Muslims want to live under sharia law.


Is that something to be proud of?

[imdaman99]

It's not just terrorists.


More than half of Muslims want to live under sharia law.


Is that something to be proud of?
Me and my Islamic community governs ourselves under American Law. So I don't know anything about Shariah law as I never grew up under it. They have no right to Shariah Law where it is not allowed, I don't know why you're so paranoid about it. You think the US or Australia are gonna change to Shariah Law? :oldlol: Not in our lifetimes. Or our grandkids...or ever.

[ShaqTwizzle]

So I don't know anything about Shariah law as I never grew up under it.

Its not about Shariah law currently being imposed.
Its about a large percentage of Muslims living in America who actively wish to destroy many/most of the things that make the country great.
Its about people who if they had the choice would impose their bullshit religious laws on us.

Being bothered by that is no different then a Black guy being bothered by the KKK group who wants him dead or kicked out of the country though don't currently have the power/size to enact such things.


They have no right to Shariah Law where it is not allowed.
Its not allowed anywhere in the country.


You think the US or Australia are gonna change to Shariah Law? :oldlol: Not in our lifetimes. Or our grandkids...or ever.

You never know.
They are already establishing Muslim no go zones in Dear Borne Michigan.
Some Christians went and prayed in the zone and one of the Muslims tried to run them over with an SUV.
Its starting...

:lol

Partially joking but it still bothers me that there are people who live in America and take advantage of our freedoms/opportunities while secretly or openly hating our culture/freedoms/way of life and wishing to impose oppressive anti-freedom ideologies on us and if given the vote to do so they would vote for it...
Hard not to look at those people as enemies within our midst and or traitors.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Its not about Shariah law currently being imposed.
Its about a large percentage of Muslims living in America who actively wish to destroy many/most of the things that make the country great.
Its about people who if they had the choice would impose their bullshit religious laws on us.

Being bothered by that is no different then a Black guy being bothered by the KKK group who wants him dead or kicked out of the country though don't currently have the power/size to enact such things.


Its not allowed anywhere in the country.



You never know.
They are already establishing Muslim no go zones in Dear Borne Michigan.
Some Christians went and prayed in the zone and one of the Muslims tried to run them over with an SUV.
Its starting...

:lol

Partially joking but it still bothers me that there are people who live in America and take advantage of our freedoms/opportunities while secretly or openly hating our culture/freedoms/way of life and wishing to impose oppressive anti-freedom ideologies on us and if given the vote to do so they would vote for it...
Hard not to look at those people as enemies within our midst and or traitors.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp

[oh the horror]

The hilarity is there are some members here throwing around these staggering percentages like "half of Muslims" meanwhile providing no fu*king sources for claims left and right.




It's literally islamaphobia. The shit you see other people making fun of the stereotypical "dumbass American" out there with. We have a literal representation of that on this board.




Amazing. Meanwhile Muslims I've known are like "lol wut?"

[poido123]

The hilarity is there are some members here throwing around these staggering percentages like "half of Muslims" meanwhile providing no fu*king sources for claims left and right.




It's literally islamaphobia. The shit you see other people making fun of the stereotypical "dumbass American" out there with. We have a literal representation of that on this board.




Amazing. Meanwhile Muslims I've known are like "lol wut?"


The U.S.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/51-of-u-s-muslims-want-sharia-60-of-young-muslims-more-loyal-to-islam-than-to-u-s


Pew Poll analysis of the entire world:


http://pamelageller.com/2015/03/pew-poll-analysis-a-billion-muslims-want-sharia-law.html/#!



These are just a couple.


This isn't even really debatable, it's more common knowledge that an alarming number of muslims suport terror and brutal regimes.


You're a dead set idiot.

[Lebron23]

Very sad. No civilians should ever be held as hostages, they didn't sign up for that shit.

Hope Lebron23 is alright.

RIP to the victims.


I am good bro. Thank you for remembering me. I am just busy with the Christmas Activities.

[pauk]

lol @ any of you still responding in a serious way to Nicks OTC threads (which are all anti-Islam).... Nick doesnt give a damn about these stories, victims... he wants anti-Islam flamewar, spreading the hate, abusing the freedom of complete trolling this troll infested forum allows....

I still wonder tho Nick....

How the hell do you not get tired of this?
You never feel like you are wasting your time always trying to exploit your Islamophobic agenda?
Do you even feel any regret at all?
Do you have any compassion for these stories / victims at all, i mean would you really make these threads if the victims were not killed by "Muslims"? (especially somewhere in middle of nowhere in middle-east / asia)
Do you have any compassion for any muslim victims at all, even in the vicinity of this stories context / Philippines, where monks have slaughtered a ridicilous amount of random Muslims (and Christians)?
Do you also not care about the feelings of any of your muslim ISH/basketball fan/Laker fan/Kobe fan brethrens?
Does religion affect your entertainment/choice of sports/teams/players or movies or music or food where many Muslim individuals may appear / are responsible for?
Is this how your parents brought you up to be? Was this really your upbringing?

Please, Nick, do yourself & us a favor and stick to the basketball forum at least, your idiocracy/trolling was funnier there.

[Dresta]

You're being ridiculous. You are calling out the greatness that this board needs with Don's sarcasm and ignoring your 7,000 word essays? Ok than. Lest we forget how the OP sits here day in and day out with agenda threads, repeating the same old things a parrot can. Not to mention the sympathetic figure known as BigNBARetard who has been bullied in real life and we accept to make dumb hateful threads?

I understand you expect a lot from Don, but he is doing what needs to be done. Everyone fought for the freedom of satire. But no one has to die for this. Allow it and quit your bitching because you don't know how to properly reply to him :oldlol:
What is this strange sympathy between left-wing nihilists (practically what Don is, or is pretending to be), and Islamic people?

Tis very strange for you to ally with those crusading for the destruction of religion, calling it a curse, and so on. Very strange indeed. Is it because you both have Christianity as your prime targets or something? Otherwise, there is little sense behind the position you are taking.

[LJJ]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp

Saying there are "Muslim no-go zones" is wrong. That's a Fox news trope.
But it is important to note what is really going on and there is a big problem with "Muslim zones", which that article doesn't do.

There are many neighbourhoods in the major cities in Europe where Muslim morality dominates and can be felt and experienced in the street.

If you are just some regular guy keeping to yourself, you will be fine. Perfectly safe, just like anywhere else. If you are a young woman by herself dressed normal by western standards but "immodestly" by Islamic standards? You will not be safe. If you are a Jew openly you will not be safe. If you are a homosexual openly you will not be safe. Billboards showing women regularly get vandalized and censored.

It's not a "no go zone", but it's a big deal and a big problem.

[Dresta]

I lived in Birmingham for 3 years and that guy think's the whole place is a 'no-go zone' :roll:

Certain parts of Bradford would be a much better example - some of these communities do almost police themselves, and are generally avoided. France is worse though.

[BigNBAfan]

The hilarity is there are some members here throwing around these staggering percentages like "half of Muslims" meanwhile providing no fu*king sources for claims left and right.




It's literally islamaphobia. The shit you see other people making fun of the stereotypical "dumbass American" out there with. We have a literal representation of that on this board.




Amazing. Meanwhile Muslims I've known are like "lol wut?"


Stop being a retard and search the OTC. These threads have been made talkin about these points... do your own due diligence ****face

[Nick Young]

But I'm proud to be a Muslim. I have nothing to do with these fanatical terrorists. You don't have to believe me, because I couldn't care less if you believe me or not. What matters is Allah's opinion of me :rockon:
As a muslim i hope you can answer this.
how many people died under Mohammad's direct orders while he was still alive?

[poido123]

I lived in Birmingham for 3 years and that guy think's the whole place is a 'no-go zone' :roll:

Certain parts of Bradford would be a much better example - some of these communities do almost police themselves, and are generally avoided. France is worse though.


Let's not talk about that.


Multiculturalism and acceptance is priority over everything. Let's just ignore that people's cultures cannot always assimilate into others and that certain cultures naturally clump together because of such differences.


While the government uses multiculturalism to plug holes, we the people will suffer the consequences of failed policy.

[Nick Young]

it's cool to post things like that but if somebody picks Judaism as the worst religion they get banned
Not really. The people who get banned for talking about Judaism do things like deny the Holocaust and cheer on and praise terrorist organizations like the PLO, Hamas and Hezbollah.

Nice deflection tactics btw.

People don't get banned for picking Judaism as the "worst religion."


No one in this thread has "picked" Islam as the "worst religion" for that matter, whatever that is supposed to mean.

[imdaman99]

nope, there was no holocaust denial or anything

it's cool to slander everybody but if someone says something about your Jews it's like "no, no, you can't say that, my feeeeelings :cry:


or, even worse, you really believe that there could be world peace "if only Islam didn't teach the other religions how to kill"

:rolleyes:
There's a clear double standard. Bash the hell out of Islam, it's fair game. Boycott political correctness doe :oldlol:

[ISHGoat]

Imdaman is a cool guy. Has nothing to do with religion at all. I have a question for you: if Islam never existed in the middle east or in the world at all, do you think all those terrorist and other extremists would still commit their heinous acts, under the name of a different religion/cause?

Genuine question

And before someone goes on a tirade citing historical instances of other religions - Christianity in particular - going on crusades and wiping out entire populations, let me just say that yes, followers of every religion have committed terrible acts. However, the topic at hand is the present. Not 12th century or WW2

[ErhnamDjinn]

The Philippines, along with Myanmar and Indonesia, is one of the most volatile spots on Earth in terms of religious violence. Manny Pacquiao has to travel with a small army everywhere he goes in his own country because he is an outspoken Catholic and his family has been the target of threats, kidnapping attempts, etc.

In that part of the World, even Buddhists (http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/myanmars-buddhist-terrorism-problem.html) are getting into the terror game (especially in Myanmar/Burma).

http://www.newrebound88.com/Content/Userfiles/xThe-Face-of-Buddhist-Terror-s.jpg.pagespeed.ic.O7yZPGIbo_.jpg

They've been slaughtering Muslims if you can believe it.

Of course you'll never hear about that in most Western media news outlets.

so misinformed man only the South in Mindanao and only certain parts have lots of separatists and Muslim insurgency. I actually dont like what our goverment is doing. They are basically wanting to give these guys autonomous support but our government will fund this autonomous state. The rest of the Philippines is generally peaceful except for minor crime found in most 3rd world countries.

[Nick Young]

nope, there was no holocaust denial or anything

it's cool to slander everybody but if someone says something about your Jews it's like "no, no, you can't say that, my feeeeelings :cry:


or, even worse, you really believe that there could be world peace "if only Islam didn't teach the other religions how to kill"

:rolleyes:
That's because the people attacking "the Jews" are the same people who deny the Holocaust or make excuses and justifications every time Palestinians murder innocent Israelis or break a ceasefire agreement. They also usually allude to Jew World Order conspiracies or say shit like "Jews control the media and all the money".


What would you like to criticize about the religious ideology of Judaism? I have criticized Judaism on this forum, past things Moses has done, and even things the Israeli government is currently doing and nothing bad happened to me.

[Nick Young]

There's a clear double standard. Bash the hell out of Islam, it's fair game. Boycott political correctness doe :oldlol:
Every single religious ideology on the planet is ripe for criticism. No religion is too "holy" to criticize. There are no blasphemy laws in America. If you want to live in a place where it's illegal to criticize Islam, move to Libya or Saudi Arabia.

[Nick Young]

Imdaman is a cool guy. Has nothing to do with religion at all. I have a question for you: if Islam never existed in the middle east or in the world at all, do you think all those terrorist and other extremists would still commit their heinous acts, under the name of a different religion/cause?

Genuine question

Definitely not.

Islam gave them ambition to conquer the world, and a mission. It also made it so that soldiers in the Middle East stop fearing death, because they believe becoming a martyr for Islam will give them eternal bliss in Heaven.

They are united under Islam. before Islam, the Arab tribes were happy to murder eachother and had no connection. Islam united them all and they started turning their violent culture outwards towards the kafirs.


The Koran instructs Muslims to never stop fighting the Jihad until the whole world is Muslim.



2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it"
Fighting jihad (and killing kuffar, 8:12, or 5:33, ...) for Allah is ordained for you


60:4 '… and of whatever ye worship BESIDES Allah: we have REJECTED you, and there has arisen, between us[believers] and you[UNbelievers], ENMITY and HATRED for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone" … "Our Lord! in Thee do we trust, and to Thee do we turn in repentance: to Thee is (our) Final Goal.'

THIS IS IN THE KORAN. IT IS NOT A BOOK OF PEACE AND LOVE. THESE ARE THE WORDS OF MOHAMMAD.

[UK2K]

http://news.yahoo.com/breakaway-muslim-rebels-kill-nine-people-southern-philippines-061005531.html


Even in the Philippines, a former American colony, Muslim rebels are killing people. This was a Christmas tragedy.


RIP

No dude, Muslims want to kill Americans because they are meddling in Middle Eastern affairs.... Its America's fault. That's the excuse I hear from Muslim defenders.

So what exactly was the Philippines' role in the wars in the Middle East?

[Nick Young]

Ex-Muslim: Koran Revealed a Religion I Did Not Like


GOTHENBURG, Sweden -- Mona Walter is on a mission. Her mission is for more Muslims to know what is in the Koran. She says if more Muslims knew what was in the Koran, more would leave Islam.

Walter came to Sweden from Somalia as a war refugee when she was 19. She says she was excited about joining a modern European nation with equal rights for women. But as a young Muslim woman, that was not the Sweden she encountered.

A Real Introduction to Islam

It was in Sweden that she first experienced radical Islam on a daily basis.

"I discovered Islam first in Sweden. In Somalia, you're just a Muslim, without knowing the Koran. But then you come to Sweden and you go to mosque and there is the Koran, so you have to cover yourself and you have to be a good Muslim."

Walter says she grew up in Somalia never having read the Koran.

"I didn't know what I was a part of. I didn't know who Mohammed was. I didn't know who Allah was. So, when I found out, I was upset. I was sad and I was disappointed," she recalled.

And it was in Sweden that Walters says she discovered Allah is a god who hates, and that Islam is not a religion of peace.

"It's about hating and killing those who disagree with Islam. It's about conquering. Mohammed, he was immoral. He was a bloodthirsty man. He was terrible man, and Muslims can read that in his biography -- what he did to Jews, how he raped women, how he killed people. I mean, he killed everyone who didn't agree with him," she explained.

Discouraged, Walter left Islam and became an atheist, until one day a family member encouraged her to read the Bible. She still remembers the first time she read Matthew 5:44, where Jesus said to "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."

Christianity, a New Perspective

"It was very strange for me to 'love your enemy,' because in Islam it is 'kill your enemy.' 'Kill your enemy and anyone who refuses Islam.' But Jesus Christ was all about love and peace and forgiveness and tolerance, and for some reason, I needed that," she said.

She went to see Pastor Fouad Rasho of Angered Alliance Church, a Syrian immigrant who ministers to former Muslims in Sweden.

"She started to believe and she came to me. And that was the beginning of her trusting," he said.

When she accepted Christ, Walter said she felt "so happy" and "filled with joy."

Walter says the Lord gave her a burden for Muslims who still do not know the truth about Islam. And she began to study the Koran, and began copying verses from the Koran and handing them out on the street to Muslim women.

Rescuing Muslims with Truth

"Sometimes they listen and sometimes they become very upset, and I tell them, 'You know your husband has a right to beat you if you don't obey him?' And they say 'No, It does not say that.' 'Yes, it does say that.' I thought if I tell them about Muhammed and about the Koran and about this god of Islam who hates, who kills, who discriminates against women, maybe they will have a choice and leave," she explained.

But in politically correct Sweden, Walter has come under attack for simply repeating what is in the Koran.

"I've been called an 'Islamophobe,' and yeah [they tell me], 'You've been bought,' 'You're a house ******,' and stuff like that, terrible things, " she said.

She has also been called a racist. Walter warns that Islamic radicalism is a serious threat in Sweden, and says Swedish society should care more about women trapped in Islam.

"[Swedes] will think, 'Oh, we're in Sweden; we have freedom of religion,' but Muslim women don't have freedom of religion. They live under the law of Allah, not under Swedish law. So they will suppose everyone has freedom of religion. We don't have freedom of religion. It's not for Muslim women. It's for everyone else," Walter argued.

Walter lives under death threats and sometimes travels with police protection. She wanted to show us Muslim areas around Gothenburg, but had to first dress as a Muslim. She believes if she were to show her face, she would be attacked.

"I can never go to those areas just being me, flesh and blood Mona. I would never get out of there alive," she said.

"I mean, Muslims are normally good people like everyone else," she continued. "But then when they read the Koran, then they become a killing machine."

"This so-called ISIS or el Shabab or Boko Haram, they're not like extremists. They're not fanatical. They're just good Muslims, good Muslims who follow the teachings of Islam. The prophet Mohammed, he did that. They're doing what he did," she explained.

Walter now uses videos and speaking appearances to spread her message. And she says she won't stop, even though her life is in danger.


http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2015/April/Ex-Muslim-Koran-Revealed-a-Religion-I-Did-Not-Like/

:applause:


Like the girl, most of the people defending Islam on this board have never actually read the Koran. They don't have a full understanding of the ideology they follow. They aren't aware of the history of Mohammad and the violent things he did while he was alive and the thousands of people who died under Mohammad's direct orders. Religion of peace my ass.


The Koran is a book designed to indoctrinate people and turn them in to zealots. It is not a book of peace and love. There is nothing in the book that points to the idea that Mohammad was seeking a peaceful and non-violent world when he wrote it.

[imdaman99]

Imdaman is a cool guy. Has nothing to do with religion at all. I have a question for you: if Islam never existed in the middle east or in the world at all, do you think all those terrorist and other extremists would still commit their heinous acts, under the name of a different religion/cause?

Genuine question

And before someone goes on a tirade citing historical instances of other religions - Christianity in particular - going on crusades and wiping out entire populations, let me just say that yes, followers of every religion have committed terrible acts. However, the topic at hand is the present. Not 12th century or WW2
That's debatable. I know I'm biased, but I don't think Islam is the reasoning behind all the violence. Do the violent folk use Islam to kill? Definitely. They have the same comprehension issues that Nick Young does, they take 1 verse in the Qur'an without realizing all the other verses around it. There are explanations for every one of the verses. No one should read a book 1 separate sentence at a time. You don't get the full story.

Violence existed before Islam, in the whole general area and it would continue if you somehow 'rid Islam'. I doubt you would remove violence simply by removing every Muslim from the area. But then again, I am biased. I am a devout Muslim and I was educated on the importance of understanding the Qur'an.

[Nick Young]

WARNING: The following post contains actual quotes from the Koran.

There is alot more than 1 verse in the Koran that encourages violence and global jihad vs non-believers.




And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter... and fight them until fitnah is no more, and religion is for Allah.
— Quran 2:191





Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
— Quran 2:190



Prophet! Rouse the believers to wage war. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will subdue two hundred: if a hundred, they will subdue a thousand of the disbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
--Quran 8:65



Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your disposal so that you can strike terror into the enemies of Allah and of the believers and others beside them who may be unknown to you, though Allah knows them. And remember whatever you spend for the cause of Allah shall be repaid to you. You shall not be wronged.
--Quran 8:60



O you who believe! when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day-- unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company-- then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be.
----8:15




Consider not those who are killed in the way of Allah as dead. Nay, they are alive with their Lord, and they will be provided for. They rejoice in what Allah has bestowed upon them of His bounty and rejoice for the sake of those who have not yet joined them, but are left behind [not yet martyred] that on them too no fear shall come, nor shall they grieve. They rejoice in a grace and a bounty from Allah, and that Allah will not waste the reward of the believers..
--Quran 3:169



Fight those who believe not in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission and are subdued.
-Quran 9:29

How can you claim this verse was taken out of context?


Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”



Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

How can you claim this verse to be out of context?


Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”.
Is this a possible reason that so many Islamic terrorist organizations are popping up in recent times?


Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”


Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”
How can you claim this verse is taken out of context?



Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
How is this out of context?


Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah”
In this case, the context of the "persecution" referred to here is Mohammad wanting to go in to Mecca with his army, and the Meccans not allowing Mohammad in. So Mohammad fought this "persecution" by laying siege to Mecca and slaughtering everyone inside who refused to convert to Islam.



Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”


Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”

Wowee! There sure is a lot of talk of fighting from this peaceful prophet in his peaceful holy book!



Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”

According to Mohammad, the only way to be safe from Islam is to convert to Islam. How is this verse taken out of context?


Quran (9:20) – “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.”

"Striven" here refers to Jihad. Providing funding for Islamic violence is encouraged in the Koran.



Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”
What a peaceful and tolerant religion!



TL: DR

The Koran repeatedly urges Muslims to go out and fight for Islam. The Koran repeatedly calls out Muslims who don't support the fight as bad Muslims who will not be rewarded in heaven when they die.


I will post this passage again.


Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-”
This passage criticizes peaceful Muslims who don't join in the violence and says they are less worthy in the eyes of Allah than those who do join in on the violence.




This is what it actually says in the Koran, a book that was written by the Prophet of Islam, Mohammad. This is what Islam teaches. This is what is in the Muslim holy book.


Fact: in the 1400 year history of Islam, Muslims have murdered over 270 million people in the name of Islam.

https://media.giphy.com/media/13py6c5BSnBkic/giphy.gif

[KyrieTheFuture]

Saying there are "Muslim no-go zones" is wrong. That's a Fox news trope.
But it is important to note what is really going on and there is a big problem with "Muslim zones", which that article doesn't do.

There are many neighbourhoods in the major cities in Europe where Muslim morality dominates and can be felt and experienced in the street.

If you are just some regular guy keeping to yourself, you will be fine. Perfectly safe, just like anywhere else. If you are a young woman by herself dressed normal by western standards but "immodestly" by Islamic standards? You will not be safe. If you are a Jew openly you will not be safe. If you are a homosexual openly you will not be safe. Billboards showing women regularly get vandalized and censored.

It's not a "no go zone", but it's a big deal and a big problem.
This is the same as literally every single poor area in the world. Are there white no go zones in Chicago? No. Just shitty neighborhoods.

[NumberSix]

This is the same as literally every single poor area in the world. Are there white no go zones in Chicago? No. Just shitty neighborhoods.
A few British police actually have come out recently and said they don't put their uniform on until they get to work because there are areas they dont feel safe in being alone as a police officer.

[KyrieTheFuture]

A few British police actually have come out recently and said they don't put their uniform on until they get to work because there are areas they dint feel safe in being alone as a police officer.
And how many cops would feel safe alone in South Side Chicago?

I'm not saying it's not a problem, I'm just saying these people are not setting up their own cities inside of our cities.

[imdaman99]

How can you claim this verse is taken out of context?

How is this out of context?

Maybe you don't understand what I am saying (I think you do, but you prefer to ignore it and like to be a parrot that repeats the same old shtick). Those 1 line verses you pulled out, were telling stories. They are all taken out of context. Unless you give a backstory as to why it was said, you are full of shit. You don't know Islam, you just want to critique it. To critique something, you should at least figure out the meaning of something. No one picks up a book and reads random 1 sentences. Imagine if you picked up a Dr Seuss book and read that someone likes green eggs and ham. How would you even take that? There's a story to it all.

This conversation is rinse and repeat. You prefer chaos. I get it. You are bored with nothing better to do, I also get that.

[Nick Young]

Maybe you don't understand what I am saying (I think you do, but you prefer to ignore it and like to be a parrot that repeats the same old shtick). Those 1 line verses you pulled out, were telling stories. They are all taken out of context. Unless you give a backstory as to why it was said, you are full of shit. You don't know Islam, you just want to critique it. To critique something, you should at least figure out the meaning of something. No one picks up a book and reads random 1 sentences. Imagine if you picked up a Dr Seuss book and read that someone likes green eggs and ham. How would you even take that? There's a story to it all.

This conversation is rinse and repeat. You prefer chaos. I get it. You are bored with nothing better to do, I also get it.
I have read the whole book. I have read it in English. I have read it in Arabic, way back in the day when I was able to understand Arabic better.

I know what is in the Koran. I am well aware of the context of these verses.

Have you read the whole Koran? Are you aware of the context of the verses? :confusedshrug:

[imdaman99]

All I know is that if you had read the Qur'an, you would know the backstory to all the verses that you like to spam. Most of the stuff you link to is disagreements or people breaking treaties. I'm sorry you feel that treaties can be broken without any consequence.

You just want to spam. I guess there's nothing wrong with that if you had an end result. You're not turning me off Islam, believe dat :pimp:

[Nick Young]

No other major religion preaches and encourages its followers to commit acts of violence in the name of their religion as much as Islam does.

[NumberSix]

All I know is that if you had read the Qur'an, you would know the backstory to all the verses that you like to spam. Most of the stuff you link to is disagreements or people breaking treaties. I'm sorry you feel that treaties can be broken without any consequence.

You just want to spam. I guess there's nothing wrong with that if you had an end result. You're not turning me off Islam, believe dat :pimp:
Oh, so "unbelievers" really means "treaty breakers". Well, that clears it all up.

[Nick Young]

And the Meccans not letting Mohammad and his barbarian army through their gates ="persecution" against Islam.

Conquering Mecca and slaughtering the Meccans who refused to convert to Islam is the "peaceful" and just" response.

[imdaman99]

Oh, so "unbelievers" really means "treaty breakers". Well, that clears it all up.
I used 1 as an example. I am not gonna give NickYoung more than a few mins a day :oldlol:

#NotAllNonMuslims

[LJJ]

This is the same as literally every single poor area in the world. Are there white no go zones in Chicago? No. Just shitty neighborhoods.

I don't know if you've been to Europe, but it's absolutely not the same.

In my city we have a large "black" (= Surinamese / Carribean immigrants and their descendants) neighborhood. It's just as "poor" (there is no such thing as real poverty or real ghetto here) as some of these Muslim neighborhoods.
We also have a Chinese neighborhood. There are also Indonesian neighborhoods (more like streets but whatevs). There are also places where Poles are the majority.

None of the stuff I describe would happen there, not whatsoever. Sure a young single lady might get whistled at, but certainly not excessively harassed or called a whore. No one would bother a Jew or anyone else for their religion. No one will censor images because they are deemed "immodest".

You are very ignorant in this.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I don't know if you've been to Europe, but it's absolutely not the same.

In my city we have a large "black" (= Surinamese / Carribean immigrants and their descendants) neighborhood. It's just as "poor" (there is no such thing as real poverty or real ghetto here) as some of these Muslim neighborhoods.
We also have a Chinese neighborhood. There are also Indonesian neighborhoods (more like streets but whatevs). There are also places where Poles are the majority.

None of the stuff I describe would happen there, not whatsoever. Sure a young single lady might get whistled at, but certainly not excessively harassed or called a whore. No one would bother a Jew or anyone else for their religion. No one will censor images because they are deemed "immodest".

You are very ignorant in this.
I've been to ****ing 17 countries in Europe, and literally already acknowledged it's a problem

[NumberSix]

I've been to ****ing 17 countries in Europe
And you spent a lot of your time there in the ghettos researching the demographics and social interactions between different groups?

[Nick Young]

I don't know if you've been to Europe, but it's absolutely not the same.

In my city we have a large "black" (= Surinamese / Carribean immigrants and their descendants) neighborhood. It's just as "poor" (there is no such thing as real poverty or real ghetto here) as some of these Muslim neighborhoods.
We also have a Chinese neighborhood. There are also Indonesian neighborhoods (more like streets but whatevs). There are also places where Poles are the majority.

None of the stuff I describe would happen there, not whatsoever. Sure a young single lady might get whistled at, but certainly not excessively harassed or called a whore. No one would bother a Jew or anyone else for their religion. No one will censor images because they are deemed "immodest".

You are very ignorant in this.
I was the same before I left America. Like Kyrie and most other libs, I too projected my Western values on to everyone else, and assumed that all the rumors about Muslims were nothing but racist xenophobic Republican propaganda.
Surely all of the talk about Islamic intolerance must be widely exaggerated! They can't really be as abusive towards women as they say! The hijab is merely a cultural thing. Women wear it by their own choice! etc etc etc.


Then I left America and lived in other countries and saw what the world was really like.

It is a fallacy to project Western values and morals on people who were raised in a non-Western culture.

[LJJ]

I've been to ****ing 17 countries in Europe, and literally already acknowledged it's a problem

Why do you say it's the same thing then.

None of the other poor immigrant neighborhoods have anything similar to what I described. Literally none whatsoever. The opposite. It's a conservative Islam thing.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Disbeliever also refers to parts of your mind that are still reluctant to obey your higher self... meaning the unregulated parts of your id I.e. lustful attachments avarice. Does the new age and Freudian terminology help yall? In the journey through self mastery and grace one must kill inner demons.

Therefore, killing disbelievers and slaughtering the attachments you have to anything other than God (a theme in all religions) liberates you and grants peace.

Disbeliever could also, biologically, refer to cells in your body that don't have the connection or mitochondria to serve the body anymore. Believers would be of course those closest in obeying (worshipping) and giving oxygen (charity) the heart and the brain.

Therefore the story speaks of rejuvenation through apoptosis.

Disbelievers also refer to jinns gone rogue. Superstitious industries are based upon contacting these jinn to try and foretell the future.

Therefore killing disbelievers warns you to STAY PRESENT IN THE NOW and not be anxious of the future (enough to consult the occult) to attain peace.


Disbelievers can also refer to memories that you perceive to be imperfect, when in reality everything that happened was MEANT to happen.
Consciously if you reflect and THINK on Gods signs y
given to you you'll know you are headed in a path and there IS ORDER AND MEANING behind the sequence of events in your life. Which reiterates why it is paramount to have faith and reflect.

"Some verses are clear others have allegorical multiple layers of meaning"
Again sorry if these are mistaken or misleading but one has to really THINK OF UNDERLYING PRINCIPLE RELATIONSHIP SYMBOLISM behind these stories because that's how they were educated back then. Like Koans. NOT factual memorization or logic.

[Nick Young]

Disbeliever could also, biologically, refer to cells in your body that don't have the connection or mitochondria to serve the body anymore. Believers would be of course those closest in obeying (worshipping) and giving oxygen (charity) the heart and the brain.


That's a bit of a stretch.

I can guarantee you that Mohammad was not referring to cells without mitochondria when he wrote "disbeliever" in the Koran.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

That's a bit of a stretch.

I can guarantee you that Mohammad was not referring to cells without mitochondria when he wrote "disbeliever" in the Koran.

That may have spurred biological understanding of the Abbasid physicians.

And I can guarantee you the truth of One God and The Last Day of Judgment. And every soul will be punished or rewarded accordingly.

And God has power over all things.
Consider rereading the previous three sentences over and over and over and over again (till you hit that epiphany) to understand the message of Islam. And put a zip on it.