ISIS Lost 14% of its Territory in 2015

[DonDadda59]

It was announced earlier that Iraqi forces, backed up by US airstrikes, have recaptured the key city of Ramadi (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/27/middleeast/iraq-isis-ramadi/index.html) from ISIS.

In Iraq alone, they have lost 40% (http://news.sky.com/story/1605822/obama-is-has-lost-40-percent-of-its-iraqi-territory) of their territory.

The only place where ISIS is making territorial gains is in Syria, where savior of the World Vladimir Putin's meddling seems to have produced nothing but war crimes against civilians (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/amnesty-report-russia-directly-targets-civilians-in-syria-killing-at-least-200-in-possible-war-a6783271.html).

Their financial strength is also taking a hit.

Article: As ISIS loses ground, its wealth appears to dwindle (http://triblive.com/usworld/world/9570194-74/iraq-group-islamic#axzz3vY7hkd7L)

The strategy of letting the mostly Muslim ground forces do the bulk of the fighting and backing them up with training, intelligence, and air support while hitting ISIL's financial network is working in Iraq. The Iraqis had a shameful start to 2015, but they've gotten their act together (special shoutout to the Peshmerga/Kurds). Teach a man to fish. :applause:

Map of ISIS' losses and gains in 2015:

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/dd29d020c0263fa2ae08ee41e16be7db

Source Article (http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/ihs-maps-islamic-states-territorial-losses-over-2015/news-story/94a659d0b38a54857d8b11dc3922ac1e)

[Nick Young]

not enough. Arm the Kurds.

[StephHamann]

They also send 14% of their members to Europe.

[knickballer]

The Iraqi force didn't suddenly learn how to fight they just have Western and Russian support while in Syria US/West/Turkey sees ISIS as a means to end the Assad regime and are even supportive of them in a sense.

They're all a bunch of hypocrites. It's not about ending ISIS, it's about ending Assad. To the West he's a like a little pest that doesn't go away.

[DonDadda59]

not enough. Arm the Kurds.

The Kurds, the majority being Sunni Muslims, have enough weapons and they are kicking ISIS ass all over the place with the U.S.' backing.

Teach a man to fish. :applause:

[TommyGriffin]

An ISIS member also lost his position as the starting QB for the San Francisco 49ers.

[MMKM]

Hahaha @ celebrating 14% in a year. The Obama mentality. Celebrate mediocrity.

At this rate only 6 years to go.:applause:

[DonDadda59]

Hahaha @ celebrating 14% in a year. The Obama mentality. Celebrate mediocrity.

At this rate only 6 years to go.:applause:

You take your meds today? :confusedshrug:

And how is taking 40% of their territory in Iraq and degrading their financial capabilities while limiting American casualties to virtually nothing 'mediocrity'?

Savior of the World Vladimir Putin was supposed to drive ISIS out of Syria and then the rest of the ME according to the Junior KGB Agents at Insidehoops (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386495) :facepalm

The reality- Putin has just been clearing the way for ISIS gains (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/world/middleeast/hussein-hamedani-iran-general-killed-in-syria.html?_r=0) and killing innocent civilians in Syria.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/islamic-state-gains-ground-in-syria/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/19/russia-bombs-isis-gains.html

The Obama mentality doe... hella results (http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/1.691816) :applause:

[MMKM]

I wonder what the margin of error is for such a difficult statistic, 14%?

:roll:

This is our new standard for "winning." Like trump said, we don't win anymore.

[MMKM]

You take your meds today? :confusedshrug:

And how is taking 40% of their territory in Iraq and degrading their financial capabilities while limiting American casualties to virtually nothing 'mediocrity'?

Savior of the World Vladimir Putin was supposed to drive ISIS out of Syria and then the rest of the ME according to the Junior KGB Agents at Insidehoops (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386495) :facepalm

The reality- Putin has just been clearing the way for ISIS gains (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/world/middleeast/hussein-hamedani-iran-general-killed-in-syria.html?_r=0) and killing innocent civilians in Syria.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/islamic-state-gains-ground-in-syria/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/19/russia-bombs-isis-gains.html

The Obama mentality doe... hella results (http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/1.691816) :applause:

Talk is cheap. 14% soooo impressive.

[Nick Young]

The Kurds, the majority being Sunni Muslims, have enough weapons and they are kicking ISIS ass all over the place with the U.S.' backing.

Teach a man to fish. :applause:
They still need more weapons, Tanks, and an official nation state with internationally recognized borders.

[DonDadda59]

Talk is cheap. 14% soooo impressive.

Amen. The Putin/Trump mentality. No results.

ISIS making gains under Vlad's watch.

Also, Youse a bitch.

[MMKM]

Here's an article: pentagon reports ISIS growing outside of Syria, spreading to Afghanistan during second half of 2015.

http://www.ibtimes.com/islamic-state-group-afghanistan-isis-growing-outside-syria-iraq-pentagon-report-finds-2226688

Winners don't celebrate 14%, whether it is even possible for that statistic to be accurate or not. 14% in a year is not an accomplishment. That's an ebb and flow level of change. That's what losers call an accomplishment.

[fiddy]

14%? really? what does that mean OP?

[DonDadda59]

Here's an article: pentagon reports ISIS growing outside of Syria, spreading to Afghanistan during second half of 2015.

http://www.ibtimes.com/islamic-state-group-afghanistan-isis-growing-outside-syria-iraq-pentagon-report-finds-2226688

And they are in conflict with our old friends the Taliban. Will we let them box it out or will we go back to the disastrous Operation Cyclone model?

Lord knows, Vlad the Impaler and the Taliban are already using 2 straws to drink one ice cream float (http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/12/24/russia-putin-share-intelligence-with-taliban-todd-donut-lead.cnn). Making googly eyes at each other n shit.

^There's your savior you marmalukes... Sharing a bed with the Taliban.

How ridiculous do you feel right now?


Winners don't celebrate 14%, whether it is even possible for that statistic to be accurate or not. 14% in a year is not an accomplishment. That's an ebb and flow level of change. That's what losers call an accomplishment.

40% in Iraq with virtually no American casualties. Just our Muslim/Yazidi/etc allies doing work on the ground while we provide cover and hurt ISIL's bank accounts. :applause:

Meanwhile in Syria... Mr. Russian Taliban aids ISIS in their push to control major territory in Syria. That really brings the class curve down.

If Osama Bin Putin would just go home and take care of his disastrous economy, we may be talking about 40% across the board... not just in Iraq.

[MMKM]

The Dondadda 14% celebration thread :oldlol: :applause:

[MMKM]

Dondadda14

[LJJ]

40% in Iraq with virtually no American casualties. Just our Muslim/Yazidi/etc allies doing work on the ground while we provide cover and hurt ISIL's bank accounts. :applause:

I mean yes, that has been the US strategy towards IS from the start. Push them away from Iraq and away the Kurds, but towards Assad. With minimal IS casualties.

Let Assad and the Syrian people suffer the brunt of the IS atrocities.

It's a vile political game.

[DonDadda59]

The Dondadda 14% celebration thread :oldlol: :applause:

This man playing the 'How many Ls can I take from Dadda in a 24 hr period' game.

You're WAY up buddy. Or down, depending on your viewpoint.

Either way. Keep doing what you're doing. :applause:

[fiddy]

DonDadda so ignorant felt embarrassed reading his shit :oldlol:

[StephHamann]

How is 14% in one fkn year a good thing?

The Canadian special forces shot them like rabbits a week ago, send in the boys and the job is done in 1 month.

Instead we have this proxy war going on for years.

[Patrick Chewing]

14%? really? what does that mean OP?


LOL 14% is a joke. It should be 100%. ISIS is not a country. They don't number in the millions.

[Nick Young]

LOL 14% is a joke. It should be 100%. ISIS is not a country. They don't number in the millions.
Exactly. Anyone happy about 14% has very low expectations.

ISIS should have 0% of the territory they started they year with. Maybe 5% MAX if they played things defensively.

The fact that US has only taken 14% from ISIS is shameful.

Obama done goofed with this entire affair.

[Patrick Chewing]

The Dondadda 14% celebration thread :oldlol: :applause:


:oldlol:

Poor bastard

[fiddy]

LOL 14% is a joke. It should be 100%. ISIS is not a country. They don't number in the millions.
They lost 14% of their land, which is desert, pretty immaterial number tbh. Meanwhile, Turkey still arms all kind of jihadi scum and buys ISIS oil. Things are about to get much more complicated/ugly if the rumors of Iraqi Kurdistan are true, that they are going to declare independence.

[MMKM]

This man playing the 'How many Ls can I take from Dadda in a 24 hr period' game.

You're WAY up buddy. Or down, depending on your viewpoint.

Either way. Keep doing what you're doing. :applause:

You're a legend in your own mind :applause:

I'm undefeated for life against you buddy, check my stats.

Dondadda14.

[MMKM]

DonDadda so ignorant felt embarrassed reading his shit :oldlol:

Amen.

[MMKM]

How is 14% in one fkn year a good thing?

The Canadian special forces shot them like rabbits a week ago, send in the boys and the job is done in 1 month.

Instead we have this proxy war going on for years.

Amen.

[MMKM]

LOL 14% is a joke. It should be 100%. ISIS is not a country. They don't number in the millions.

Amen.

[MMKM]

Exactly. Anyone happy about 14% has very low expectations.

ISIS should have 0% of the territory they started they year with. Maybe 5% MAX if they played things defensively.

The fact that US has only taken 14% from ISIS is shameful.

Obama done goofed with this entire affair.

Amen

[Nick Young]

Taking 14% of barren desert from ISIS is not a victory by any stretch of the imagination.

DonDadda, stop celebrating below mediocrity.

[~primetime~]

Since i assumed they actually grew this year, I'm happy with that.

Needs to be 80% though, small to the point no one cares any more.

[Nick Young]

Let's just use this 14% as Obama's score on the ISIS situation.


Obama 2015 gets a massive F when it comes to fighting ISIS.

[fiddy]

Let's just use this 14% as Obama's score on the ISIS situation.


Obama 2015 gets a massive F when it comes to fighting ISIS.
Even the pentagon is ready to stab that clown in the back.

http://www.offthegridnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/military-signs-Syrian-Civil-War-400x358.jpg

[bdreason]

It's sad when you see pictures of these "cities" that these factions are fighting over. Just piles of rubble at this point.

[DonDadda59]

Weak era for patriotism. You have so called Americans cheering on a former Soviet KGB agent as he bombs civilians, helps ISIS, and partners up with the Taliban.

Somewhere, Benedict Arnold is looking down, smiling.

[Nick Young]

Weak era for patriotism. You have so called Americans cheering on a former Soviet KGB agent as he bombs civilians, helps ISIS, and partners up with the Taliban.

Somewhere, Benedict Arnold is looking down, smiling.
Weak era for US presidents. A weak era where taking only 14% of our enemy territory in a year is something people think they should be cheering for, rather than saying "Why the phuck didn't USA take 100% by now against these goat ****ing psychopaths?"

[MMKM]

Weak era for patriotism. You have so called Americans cheering on a former Soviet KGB agent as he bombs civilians, helps ISIS, and partners up with the Taliban.

Somewhere, Benedict Arnold is looking down, smiling.

Lmao. Same name calling Obama used for "corporate deserters." Your administration fails miserably, start calling people unpatriotic when they notice.

[Nick Young]

Let me sum up this and every thread:

Don't take my guns, because I might need to fight the people infringing on my freedom!

Muslims are all scary terrorists.

*sees statistically significant evidence of ISIS losing ground*

IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH! Obama ruined the world. Vote Trump.

------

Put your money where your mouth is, you needle-dicked f*cks. Grab your legal AKs and go do something.
These two things have nothing to do with eachother, you desperately-grasping-at-straws retard.

[BasedTom]

LOL 14% is a joke. It should be 100%. ISIS is not a country. They don't number in the millions.
well we know pretty much where they are. they aren't hiding in caves or blending into the populace of raqqa...they own it. They patrol areas and have inquisitors, they have a sharia legal system and things like that, they have for all intents and purposes: a country. A nightmare of a shithole no doubt, but still more order than some ostensible "bastions of democracy." You can circle where they are on the map

So it really is the worst of both worlds for them, yet there is still an demonstrable inability to capitalise on this...and you have shit like the UN hospital getting bombed and the russian jet :facepalm

[Dresta]

I mean yes, that has been the US strategy towards IS from the start. Push them away from Iraq and away the Kurds, but towards Assad. With minimal IS casualties.

Let Assad and the Syrian people suffer the brunt of the IS atrocities.

It's a vile political game.
Exactly, and DonDadda is one of its pathetic cheerleaders, incessantly parroting the propaganda he has been spoonfed by Obama's media stooges.

Amazing, he is actually arguing that Russia has done nothing to tackle ISIS (a provable falsehood), and seems to ignore that ISIS losing territory directly correlates with Russian involvement.

The US, on the other hand, has been aiding and abetting Islamist groups in Syria, and then trying to blame their wanton violence on Assad or Putin. They have also been involved heavily in Syria since 2012, after which IS and other Islamist groups had 3 straight years of steady gains.

[MMKM]

We are in an ass-backwards period of American history when it is patriotic to accept mediocrity and "un-patriotic" to expect and demand better. Obama has succeeded in brainwashing the masses.

[Nick Young]

well we know pretty much where they are. they aren't hiding in caves or blending into the populace of raqqa...they own it. They patrol areas and have inquisitors, they have a sharia legal system and things like that, they have for all intents and purposes: a country. A nightmare of a shithole no doubt, but still more order than some ostensible "bastions of democracy." You can circle where they are on the map

So it really is the worst of both worlds for them, yet there is still an demonstrable inability to capitalise on this...and you have shit like the UN hospital getting bombed and the russian jet :facepalm
Technically they are a caliphate AKA an Islamic kingdom.

[Nick Young]

We are in an ass-backwards period of American history when it is patriotic to accept mediocrity and "un-patriotic" to expect and demand better. Obama has succeeded in brainwashing the masses.
Yes. How much have the American people's expectations been lowered in these past 8 years? Obama has slowly but surely convinced everyone to accept failure and mediocrity:facepalm

[MMKM]

Yes. How much have the American people's expectations been lowered in these past 8 years? Obama has slowly but surely convinced everyone to accept failure and mediocrity:facepalm

Like he said literally from day 1 in his inaugural speech, "we must humble ourselves." Mission accomplished. Shame is the new American pride.

[Nick Young]

Like he said literally from day 1 in his inaugural speech, "we must humble ourselves." Mission accomplished. Shame is the new American pride.
"we must humble ourselves" aka we must lose all our ambition and desire to be the best at everything aka we must temper our expectations aka "Stop expecting greatness. Expect mediocrity"

:facepalm

[Smook B]

14% after multiple years is a failure hardly worth celebrating.

[DonDadda59]

Yep.
https://syrianfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/obama-terrorist-supporter-warpress-info.jpg

Bruh, this was you in a thread (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386495) where you spent seemingly dozens of posts fellating the former Soviet KGB agent who is allowing ISIS to flourish in Syria... Who is now partnering with the Taliban?

America is the 'real terrorists' though?

I guess that leaves just one question-

















http://treasure.diylol.com/uploads/post/image/545664/resized_mr-t-meme-generator-why-do-you-hate-america-fool-b64d5e.jpg

[fiddy]

America is the 'real terrorists' though?

But who created the taliban? :roll:

[DonDadda59]

But who created the taliban? :roll:

The Mujihadeen/Mohammed Omar.

[Smook B]

What's up with the Doctor Manhattan avy?

[poido123]

14% after multiple years is a failure hardly worth celebrating.




14% less fundamentalist muslim scum we have in this world.


I'd be happier with more, but that will have to do. Which Russia has done most of the dirty work.


Time to start taking down mosques in western/european countries. Those places are a national security threat. Not only can house weapons, but hate preachers thrive in there, gathering points for muslims to discuss and carry out anti-western propaganda (think bikie laws here in Australia).


Ban the niqabs/hijabs, ban the mosques, ban all halal certification and other muslims bullshit. We've had enough.

[DonDadda59]

14% less fundamentalist muslim scum we have in this world.


I'd be happier with more, but that will have to do. Which Russia has done most of the dirty work.


Time to start taking down mosques in western/european countries. Those places are a national security threat. Not only can house weapons, but hate preachers thrive in there, gathering points for muslims to discuss and carry out anti-western propaganda (think bikie laws here in Australia).


Ban the niqabs/hijabs, ban the mosques, ban all halal certification and other muslims bullshit. We've had enough.

Ignorance is bliss.. :roll:

Most of the dirty for ISIS... Definitely. And now they're in cahoots with the Taliban.

[fiddy]

The Mujihadeen/Mohammed Omar.



Mujahideen (Arabic: المجاهدين‎) is the plural form of mujahid (Arabic: مجاهد‎), the term for one engaged in Jihad.



ISIS fighters are Mujahideens as well, anyone engaged in Jihad is one.

You kind of left out the fact that the U.S. initiated the Taliban movement in response to USSR-Afghan war.

[Smook B]

Ignorance is bliss.. :roll:

Most of the dirty for ISIS... Definitely. And now they're in cahoots with the Taliban.

Russia and the Syrian Government are making truces with rebels. They are cutting off supply lines and besieging them.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35048404

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35048404

Russia just killed one the top opposition leaders you can't seriously tell me Russia isnt doing progress against the terrorists.

[Smook B]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3374794/Russia-releases-new-footage-fresh-round-airstrikes-Syria-claiming-targeted-number-ISIS-oil-tanker-trucks.html

[DonDadda59]

ISIS fighters are Mujahideens as well, anyone engaged in Jihad is one.

The Afghani Mujahideen specifically.


You kind of left out the fact that the U.S. initiated the Taliban movement in response to USSR-Afghan war.

Operation Cyclone was a terrible blunder, yes. No doubt that led to the creation of the Taliban.

But that doesn't make America terrorists like Nick Bin Young suggests.


Russia and the Syrian Government are making truces with rebels. They are cutting off supply lines and besieging them.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35048404

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35048404

Russia just killed one the top opposition leaders you can't seriously tell me Russia isnt doing progress against the terrorists.

I can and I do. Rebels =/= terrorists. Russia's main goal from day one wasn't fighting terrorism, it was making sure Assad stays in power. Look over my previous posts- Russia's actions are making it infinitely easier for ISIS to take territory in Syria. The U.S.' operations in Iraq have cut off 40% of ISIL's territory and degraded their financial infrastructure. Yet ISIS is getting stronger in the areas that Russia has been operating.

[poido123]

The Afghani Mujahideen specifically.



Operation Cyclone was a terrible blunder, yes. No doubt that led to the creation of the Taliban.

But that doesn't make America terrorists like Nick Bin Young suggests.



I can and I do. Rebels =/= terrorists. Russia's main goal from day one wasn't fighting terrorism, it was making sure Assad stays in power. Look over my previous posts- Russia's actions are making it infinitely easier for ISIS to take territory in Syria. The U.S.' operations in Iraq have cut off 40% of ISIL's territory and degraded their financial infrastructure. Yet ISIS is getting stronger in the areas that Russia has been operating.



If you are making a claim that Russia is doing nothing against ISIS and they have been ineffective, then you have clearly lost the argument before it even began.


Can you provide proof of the bolded?

[Smook B]

The Afghani Mujahideen specifically.



Operation Cyclone was a terrible blunder, yes. No doubt that led to the creation of the Taliban.

But that doesn't make America terrorists like Nick Bin Young suggests.



I can and I do. Rebels =/= terrorists. Russia's main goal from day one wasn't fighting terrorism, it was making sure Assad stays in power. Look over my previous posts- Russia's actions are making it infinitely easier for ISIS to take territory in Syria. The U.S.' operations in Iraq have cut off 40% of ISIL's territory and degraded their financial infrastructure. Yet ISIS is getting stronger in the areas that Russia has been operating.

That's not a bad thing unlike Obama who still wants him gone. Syrian army wouldn't be advancing in southern Aleppo without Russian help. Syrian army wouldn't be advancing in Northern Latakia without Russian help. The deal to liberate Homs from terrorist wouldn't have been made without Russian help. Russia is playing a big part of the weakening of ISIS.

[DonDadda59]

If you are making a claim that Russia is doing nothing against ISIS and they have been ineffective, then you have clearly lost the argument before it even began.


Can you provide proof of the bolded?

Way ahead of you bruh. Try reading the whole thread next time.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11988903&postcount=8

[poido123]

Way ahead of you bruh. Try reading the whole thread next time.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11988903&postcount=8


Those are what you call manufactured and skewed articles to suit an agenda.


Anyone with fcking eyes can see Russia crushing old tankers, killing ISIS strongpoints etc.

[Smook B]

Assad and the Syrian army are hated by the majority of it's people though. :confusedshrug:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PauFSKZafr4

[fiddy]

The Afghani Mujahideen specifically.

Operation Cyclone was a terrible blunder, yes. No doubt that led to the creation of the Taliban.

But that doesn't make America terrorists like Nick Bin Young suggests.


That was a terrible blunder, the Iraqi invasion was a terrible blunder, shit...lots of blunders if you ask me.

Then going back to the WW2, the nukes over Japan were terrorist actions by definition.

[DonDadda59]

That's not a bad thing unlike Obama who still wants him gone. Syrian army wouldn't be advancing in southern Aleppo without Russian help. Syrian army wouldn't be advancing in Northern Latakia without Russian help. The deal to liberate Homs from terrorist wouldn't have been made without Russian help. Russia is playing a big part of the weakening of ISIS.

No, they're playing a big part in weakening the enemies of Assad. Putin couldn't give 3 shits about ISIS.

ISIS is thriving and growing in the areas Russia is operating. Putin got his jet shot down by Turkey because he was bombing the ethnic Turkmen while claiming he was 'going after the terrorists'.



Those are what you call manufactured and skewed articles to suit an agenda.


Anyone with fcking eyes can see Russia crushing old tankers, killing ISIS strongpoints etc.

:lol

[Smook B]

No, they're playing a big part in weakening the enemies of Assad. Putin couldn't give 3 shits about ISIS.

ISIS is thriving and growing in the areas Russia is operating. Putin got his jet shot down by Turkey because he was bombing the ethnic Turkmen while claiming he was 'going after the terrorists'.

You keep saying that but have no proof. US knew about the tons of oil being smuggled from Syria to Turkey yet it was Russia who are bombing the oil trucks that ISIS uses.

[Dresta]

This guy is becoming a worse propaganda monkey than KevinNYC right now. How about you actually post reports by people who actually know something about the region and about the realities on the ground in Syria, like Patrick Cockburn, for example (and the many others who have shown Obama's assertions that Russia has not attacked IS to be fabrications).

If you want someone who is helping IS, not bombing them, and attacking our allies, look no further than Turkey, but Erdogan seems to be your new hero, despite him being 10x the bastard Putin is.

[fiddy]

No, they're playing a big part in weakening the enemies of Assad. Putin couldn't give 3 shits about ISIS.
Those enemies are terrorist as well. :confusedshrug:

[fiddy]

This guy is becoming a worse propaganda monkey than KevinNYC right now. How about you actually post reports by people who actually know something about the region and about the realities on the ground in Syria, like Patrick Cockburn, for example (and the many others who have shown Obama's assertions that Russia has not attacked IS to be fabrications).

If you want someone who is helping IS, not bombing them, and attacking our allies, look no further than Turkey, but Erdogan seems to be your new hero, despite him being 10x the bastard Putin is.
Funnily you mentioned hero, because of this http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=79a_1451133082 :roll:

[Dresta]

Assad and the Syrian army are hated by the majority of it's people though. :confusedshrug:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PauFSKZafr4
Dadda can't take that the group with the largest support in Syria currently is the Syrian army, and thus Assad and Russia:

https://gowans.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/syria-poll-table-1.jpg

https://gowans.wordpress.com/2015/12/12/suppose-a-respectable-opinion-poll-found-that-bashar-al-assad-has-more-support-than-the-western-backed-opposition-would-that-not-be-major-news/

Syria, Iran, and the Russians have far more support than the Western backed rebels/terrorists (and yes, in Syria right now, the two are basically the same thing - the 'moderates' Cameron and Obama keep blathering on about are illusory: there aren't enough of them to make up a football team, let alone to fight a war). Your options are Assad, or Islamists - Obama clearly prefers the latter, Putin the former.

No doubt he'll ignore this hard evidence and post some other bs piece of garbage propaganda from the NYT or Daily Beast.

[MMKM]

This guy is becoming a worse propaganda monkeythan KevinNYC right now. How about you actually post reports by people who actually know something about the region and about the realities on the ground in Syria, like Patrick Cockburn, for example (and the many others who have shown Obama's assertions that Russia has not attacked IS to be fabrications).

If you want someone who is helping IS, not bombing them, and attacking our allies, look no further than Turkey, but Erdogan seems to be your new hero, despite him being 10x the bastard Putin is.

@ ambiguous racism :lol :confusedshrug: :lol :confusedshrug: :lol

[DonDadda59]

You keep saying that but have no proof. US knew about the tons of oil being smuggled from Syria to Turkey yet it was Russia who are bombing the oil trucks that ISIS uses.

Posted plenty. You made the same mistake Poido did.

But wait... There's more!

Syria Airstrikes: Russia Accused of Ethnic Cleansing of Turkmen (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/russia-accused-of-ethnic-cleansing-of-turkmen-in-syria-air-strikes-a6755186.html)

Amnesty International: Russia is Purposely Targeting Syrian Civilians (http://www.ibtimes.com/amnesty-international-slams-russia-denying-civilian-casualty-syria-2239198)

They couldn't give the slightest f*ck about ISIS, which is why they are gaining ground in Syria. Russia's goal is carving out territory for Assad and eliminating his enemies. That means ethnically cleansing the Turkmen and striking the U.S. backed rebel groups.


This guy is becoming a worse propaganda monkey than KevinNYC right now. How about you actually post reports by people who actually know something about the region and about the realities on the ground in Syria, like Patrick Cockburn, for example (and the many others who have shown Obama's assertions that Russia has not attacked IS to be fabrications).

If you want someone who is helping IS, not bombing them, and attacking our allies, look no further than Turkey, but Erdogan seems to be your new hero, despite him being 10x the bastard Putin is.


God not this tired windbag :rolleyes:

Anyone who knows the basics of the situation knows Putin isn't in Syria to stop ISIS.

[fiddy]

God not this tired windbag :rolleyes:

Anyone who knows the basics of the situation knows Putin isn't in Syria to stop ISIS.
Neither the U.S. :confusedshrug:

[jongib369]

40% in Iraq is awesome, but the 14% in total isn't anything to celebrate IMO. I'd expect at LEAST 25%

Better than nothing though, hopefully it picks up :cheers:

[poido123]

40% in Iraq is awesome, but the 14% in total isn't anything to celebrate IMO. I'd expect at LEAST 25%

Better than nothing though, hopefully it picks up :cheers:



A nuke or multiple arson attacks on Mosques worldwide would be more effective

[DonDadda59]

A nuke or multiple arson attacks on Mosques worldwide would be more effective

^Perfectly sane individual here, folks. :applause:

[fiddy]

^Perfectly sane individual here, folks. :applause:
Religious war is coming, i wont be surprised if that actually happens, Russia is ready to nuke ISIS btw

[poido123]

^Perfectly sane individual here, folks. :applause:


More shocking things happening at the hands of Islam.


Sane individual here folks. Don wants to point you everywhere but where the blame lies. :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

More shocking things happening at the hands of Islam.


Sane individual here folks. Don wants to point you everywhere but where the blame lies. :oldlol:

Well, I'm sure the voices in your head will lead you down the right path. Best of luck. :cheers:

[MMKM]

A nuke or multiple arson attacks on Mosques worldwide would be more effective

Somebody say nuke?

[poido123]

Somebody say nuke?



:banana: :banana: :banana:


Saudi needs one. Turkey needs one.

There's two good places to start.

[MMKM]

Dondadda outnumbered like 100 to 1 on this thread. His internet gang bang fantasy come true.

[tomtucker]

ISIS Lost 14% of its Territory in 2015

but luckily they have gained it back in europe

merkel and the rest of the spineless traitors :bowdown:

[poido123]

ISIS Lost 14% of its Territory in 2015

but luckily they have gained it back in europe

merkel and the rest of the spineless traitors :bowdown:



Europe will never be the same.


The cancer has spread like wildfire. Eventually, Islam and it's dark cloud will endeavour to suffocate all aspects of freedom in democratic countries.


It will happen, and insane people like Don Dadda will continue to blame christians and America for it.

[DonDadda59]

Dondadda outnumbered like 100 to 1 on this thread. His internet gang bang fantasy come true.

1 of me is worth 100 of you. They don't make them like this any more. :pimp:

[fiddy]

:banana: :banana: :banana:


Saudi needs one. Turkey needs one.

There's two good places to start.
I will go out on the streets dancing, singing and drinking of joy if Russia nukes Turkey #makeithappenPutin

[poido123]

I will go out on the streets dancing, singing and drinking of joy if Russia nukes Turkey #makeithappenPutin



:banana: :banana: :cheers:


Absolutely. Fck those places.

[MMKM]

I will go out on the streets dancing, singing and drinking of joy if Russia nukes Turkey #makeithappenPutin

Nuke nuke bo book
Banana fanna Fo fook
:cheers:

[MMKM]

Big ol nuke party up in here
:djparty :dancin

[KyrieTheFuture]

Hahaha @ celebrating 14% in a year. The Obama mentality. Celebrate mediocrity.

At this rate only 6 years to go.:applause:
You don't quite understand how percentages work do you

[KyrieTheFuture]

Even the pentagon is ready to stab that clown in the back.

http://www.offthegridnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/military-signs-Syrian-Civil-War-400x358.jpg
This is hysterical because the US hasn't really had a place in most wars in the last century except with Japan

[pauk]

Well, better than nothing.

[MMKM]

You don't quite understand how percentages work do you

If you're gonna follow me around like this I could get you a leash?

:hammertime:

Or you could just wear the leash I used to walk your mom back to the ZOO.

[Dresta]

Posted plenty. You made the same mistake Poido did.

But wait... There's more!

Syria Airstrikes: Russia Accused of Ethnic Cleansing of Turkmen (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/russia-accused-of-ethnic-cleansing-of-turkmen-in-syria-air-strikes-a6755186.html)

Amnesty International: Russia is Purposely Targeting Syrian Civilians (http://www.ibtimes.com/amnesty-international-slams-russia-denying-civilian-casualty-syria-2239198)

They couldn't give the slightest f*ck about ISIS, which is why they are gaining ground in Syria. Russia's goal is carving out territory for Assad and eliminating his enemies. That means ethnically cleansing the Turkmen and striking the U.S. backed rebel groups.



God not this tired windbag :rolleyes:

Anyone who knows the basics of the situation knows Putin isn't in Syria to stop ISIS.
Just ignore all the data and keep looking the other way like always :hammerhead:.

Putin is in Syria to defend the Assad regime that is being attacked by a foreign army of Islamists. You and Obama seem to want an Islamist government in Damascus. Syrians want Assad more than they want Islamists, so if Putin is protecting the Assad regime from collapsing, then he also has the sanction of the Syrian people. The US and Obama, on the other hand, have helped finance and arm a largely foreign invasion, backed and supported by 3rd parties just as bad as Assad. They, more than anyone else, are the reason Libya and Syria have become anarchic wastelands, and if Putin and Assad can restore some order to one of them that'd be great. You, on the other hand, seem quite keen to see Islamists massacre people, as long is it makes Putin look bad - you're a sick little boy, and should get some help.

[KyrieTheFuture]

If you're gonna follow me around like this I could get you a leash?

:hammertime:

Or you could just wear the leash I used to walk your mom back to the ZOO.
Well, it's a little difficult since you post in every ****ing thread on this website

[MMKM]

Well, it's a little difficult since you post in every ****ing thread on this website

That's IT? I just told you your mom lives in a f@cking zoo.... Now I feel like a serious as$hole, I apologize. Went too far, don't feel like this is a fair fight anymore. Just stop following me around and we can leave each other alone. And yeah, truth is I need to cut back on this sh!t this is a major waste of time arguing with people on the Internet. Just....my bad. Your mom doesn't really live in a zoo.

[Nick Young]

This is hysterical because the US hasn't really had a place in most wars in the last century except with Japan
What does this mean?

[Nick Young]

Bruh, this was you in a thread (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386495) where you spent seemingly dozens of posts fellating the former Soviet KGB agent who is allowing ISIS to flourish in Syria... Who is now partnering with the Taliban?

America is the 'real terrorists' though?
[/IMG]
Obama is supporting Al Quaeda in the Syrian war. Obama is using our military to support Al Quaeda who are a terrorist organization.

You should never be happy with a paltry sum like 14% breh. Even in Obama's words, ISIS are just a JV team.


So in one year, Obama has only managed to take 14% of the land run by a JV team.


And you're celebrating that?


It is below mediocre results.



14% is a big fat F.

[Nick Young]

Is Obama the only US President whose own military has turned on him?


There is currently a media blackout in the US trying to stop this story from going mainstream.

Before you go discrediting the source, know that the journalism was done by Pulitzer prize winner Seymour Hersh.


TL;DR The military is rebelling against Obama. If Obama had his way, we would be giving full support to Al Quaeda aka "moderate rebels", and Syria becomes the next Libya.

Joint Chiefs of Staff Official – US Military Gave Intel to Assad, While CIA Funded & Armed ISIS


Washington, DC – The Pentagon’s Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) have been indirectly providing intelligence on the Islamic State to the government of Syrian President Bashar Assad, in direct contrast to the Obama administration’s agenda of regime change, in an effort to stop Syria from becoming another failed state from which terrorists can operate.

A recent investigation by renowned journalist Seymour Hersh provides clear evidence of a massive disconnect between President Obama’s White House and the U.S. military regarding the handling of the Syrian situation.

The awkward situation stems from the Obama administration’s insistence that there are “moderate rebel” groups to arm that are capable of defeating Assad, and the subsequent decision to provide weapons to these jihadist groups through a covert CIA program.

In spite of the “Assad must go” pledge made by President Obama and covert CIA program, the U.S. JCS instead opted to feed intelligence on the Islamic State to the Syrian government through a number of intermediary governments, the unidentified former senior advisor to the JCS told Hersh.

“Our policy of arming the opposition to Assad was unsuccessful and actually having a negative impact,” the former JCS adviser told Hersh.

“The Joint Chiefs believed that Assad should not be replaced by fundamentalists. The administration’s policy was contradictory. They wanted Assad to go but the opposition was dominated by extremists. So who was going to replace him? To say Assad’s got to go is fine, but if you follow that through – therefore anyone is better. It’s the “anybody else is better” issue that the JCS had with Obama’s policy,” the unnamed JCS advisor said.

According to a report by Hersh, published in The London Review of Books:

The Joint Chiefs felt that a direct challenge to Obama’s policy would have ‘had a zero chance of success’. So in the autumn of 2013 they decided to take steps against the extremists without going through political channels, by providing US intelligence to the militaries of other nations, on the understanding that it would be passed on to the Syrian army and used against the common enemy, Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State.

The impetus behind the military’s action was a highly classified Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) report, which made clear that if Assad were to be deposed, Syria would fall into chaos and provide an easy target for Islamic extremists to gain a strong foothold similar to Libya.

According to the report by Hersh:

A former senior adviser to the Joint Chiefs told me that the document was an ‘all-source’ appraisal, drawing on information from signals, satellite and human intelligence, and took a dim view of the Obama administration’s insistence on continuing to finance and arm the so-called moderate rebel groups. By then, the CIA had been conspiring for more than a year with allies in the UK, Saudi Arabia and Qatar to ship guns and goods – to be used for the overthrow of Assad – from Libya, via Turkey, into Syria. The new intelligence estimate singled out Turkey as a major impediment to Obama’s Syria policy. The document showed, the adviser said, ‘that what was started as a covert US programme to arm and support the moderate rebels fighting Assad had been co-opted by Turkey, and had morphed into an across-the-board technical, arms and logistical programme for all of the opposition, including Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State. The so-called moderates had evaporated and the Free Syrian Army was a rump group stationed at an airbase in Turkey.’ The assessment was bleak: there was no viable ‘moderate’ opposition to Assad, and the US was arming extremists.

Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, director of the DIA between 2012 and 2014, confirmed that his agency had sent a constant stream of classified warnings to the civilian leadership about the dire consequences of toppling Assad. The jihadists, he said, were in control of the opposition. Turkey wasn’t doing enough to stop the smuggling of foreign fighters and weapons across the border. ‘If the American public saw the intelligence we were producing daily, at the most sensitive level, they would go ballistic,’ Flynn told me. ‘We understood Isis’s long-term strategy and its campaign plans, and we also discussed the fact that Turkey was looking the other way when it came to the growth of the Islamic State inside Syria.’ The DIA’s reporting, he said, ‘got enormous pushback’ from the Obama administration. ‘I felt that they did not want to hear the truth.’

The reality created by the CIA program to arm the “moderate rebels” is harrowing, as arms were handed to virtually any group opposing Assad’s military, including terrorist organizations such as Jabhat al-Nusra and the Islamic State.

In stark contrast to the White House and CIA, the U.S. military’s assessment was extremely realistic: moderate opposition to Assad is a complete myth and the U.S. was arming the same Islamic extremists it had just got done fighting in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/white-house-cia-supply-terrorists-weapons-topple-assad-u-s-military-feeds-syrian-govt-intel-isis/#vTJudM4dGV3UbYEo.99

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/white-house-cia-supply-terrorists-weapons-topple-assad-u-s-military-feeds-syrian-govt-intel-isis/

Thank you based US military. If Obama had his way, Al Quaeda and ISIS would already by running Syria.



ALSO, it seems like EVERYTHING I have been saying about the Syria situation WAS RIGHT.

[Nick Young]

For anyone too lazy to read the article:

Obama is the first US President whose own military has turned against him and refused to follow his policy.

Since 2013, the Joint Chief's of Staff have been undermining and rejecting Obama's idiotic plans to arm extremist rebels so they come in to power in Syria.


Obama's own military has turned on him and is actively working to undermine his official policy.

If Obama had his way, ISIS and/or Al Quaeda would be running Syria by now, and Syria becomes the new Libya.


Thank god for the Joint Chiefs of Staff for doing the right thing.:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: #GODBLESSAMERICA

[Patrick Chewing]

Don hasn't deleted this thread yet?? This is embarrassing.


:facepalm

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

1 of me is worth 100 of you. They don't make them like this any more. :pimp:

Infinity times a negative is still a lower value than a net positive.

Would a block of wood adorned with human flesh be a substitute for human life with a conscience?

Nay, a block of wood is more precious than MMKM too.

And 14% is a superior output to (about) 86% of posters in this thread.

[MMKM]

Infinity times a negative is still a lower value than a net positive.

Would a block of wood adorned with human flesh be a substitute for human life with a conscience?

Nay, a block of wood is more precious than MMKM too.

And 14% is a superior output to (about) 86% of posters in this thread.

.....who the f@ck says "nay?" What is this medieval times?

Me thinks thou doth preach too much, William f@ckin Shakespeare go zip your v@gina

[D-Wade316]

Nick Young can't give an opinion without having to cap all his words. Shows just how ignored his worthless opinions are.

[Nick Young]

Nick Young can't give an opinion without having to cap all his words. Shows just how ignored his worthless opinions are.
I cap the important parts so tards can't ignore them when they reply to the posts. It is a good tactic, that has worked to counteract the technique people on this site use when they pretend they don't see the most important points of a post, and instead begin arguing semantics.


Sadly, the common human is not very smart of patient. Capping everything ensures that everyone, even those who don't want to take the time to read a whole article, see the important core of the message.



TL; DR I all-cap and bold lines to connect my message with the common ISHiot, as well as counteract common ISH stall tactics. When shit is bolded, people look shady when they pretend to ignore it/refuse to address it.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Nick Young can't give an opinion without having to cap all his words. Shows just how ignored his worthless opinions are.

Like a silly toddler having to take a crap interrupting the adults conversation.

Except the toddler has some sense of integrity.

[Nick Young]

Lol.

Let the character assassination AKA logical fallacy begin.

When you can't argue with the message, shoot down the messenger.


Just like Mohammad did when he killed Abu Afak (http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad) because Afak's poem hurt Momo's feelings.

[D-Wade316]

.....who the f@ck says "nay?" What is this medieval times?

Me thinks thou doth preach too much, William f@ckin Shakespeare go zip your v@gina
LMAO. This fool shook as fukk. :roll:

Nick, here's what. Please reread your goddamn posts, and think if it is even worth replying or worth of conversation. The military now turning against Based Obama? :facepalm How the did you even come up with this conclusion after reading the article you posted?

[Nick Young]

LMAO. This fool shook as fukk. :roll:

Nick, here's what. Please reread your goddamn posts, and think if it is even worth replying or worth of conversation. The military now turning against Based Obama? :facepalm How the did you even come up with this conclusion after reading the article you posted?
http://www.offthegridnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/military-signs-Syrian-Civil-War-400x358.jpg


Do you know who the Joint Chiefs of Staff are? :confusedshrug:

[D-Wade316]

Quite sure you can dig similar photos in Bush's admin.

[fiddy]

Quite sure you can dig similar photos in Bush's admin.
When Bush Jr was in office the war in Syria hadnt started :roll:

[KyrieTheFuture]

What does this mean?
This is hardly the first time America has been in a proxy war for weak reasons.

[Nick Young]

Quite sure you can dig similar photos in Bush's admin.
This is exactly why I have to resort to using all caps and red text.



Do you know who the Joint Chiefs of Staff are?

[D-Wade316]

When Bush Jr was in office the war in Syria hadnt started :roll:
I'm referring to Iraq, not Syria.

[Nick Young]

I know most of you won't read this, but here is the Seymour M. Hersh article that goes more in depth on the subject.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military

[fiddy]

I'm referring to Iraq, not Syria.
:roll: :wtf: :roll: :wtf:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

.....who the f@ck says "nay?" What is this medieval times?

Me thinks thou doth preach too much, William f@ckin Shakespeare go zip your v@gina

Awww, poor widdle baby.

After aping Avengers as the thoughtless little runt of the litter you are, care to share your nightmares and announce to everybody on ISH "you're out."

It's okay I'll let your parents know to turn on the night lights and tell everybody to say goodbye to the emotionally unstable toddler.

Now catch a good night's rest will ya.

I'll let daddy and mommy know their little boy tries to act tough by wanting to kill millions of people. While it takes only a few words to kill his fragile ego.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm referring to Iraq, not Syria.


http://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/102/972/2972102.gif

[poido123]

Awww, poor widdle baby.

After aping Avengers as the thoughtless little runt of the litter you are, care to share your nightmares and announce to everybody on ISH "you're out."

It's okay I'll let your parents know to turn on the night lights and tell everybody to say goodbye to the emotionally unstable toddler.

Now catch a good night's rest will ya.

I'll let daddy and mommy know their little boy tries to act tough by wanting to kill millions of people. While it takes only a few words to kill his fragile ego.



I rarely see a poster rattle you like this.


He must of really got to you

[oh the horror]

Let me sum up this and every thread:

Don't take my guns, because I might need to fight the people infringing on my freedom!

Muslims are all scary terrorists.

*sees statistically significant evidence of ISIS losing ground*

IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH! Obama ruined the world. Vote Trump.

------

Put your money where your mouth is, you needle-dicked f*cks. Grab your legal AKs and go do something.




Basically summed up. This is what I meant by their douche-baggery circular arguments and Devils advocate shit. You don't win a debate with an asshole.


14% in real life is an advancement, because real life isn't Call of Duty Modern Warfare. You can't just drop a nuke on the "bad areas" of the Middle East wiping out mass civilian casualties and just call it a day.

[poido123]

Basically summed up. This is what I meant by their douche-baggery circular arguments and Devils advocate shit. You don't win a debate with an asshole.


14% in real life is an advancement, because real life isn't Call of Duty Modern Warfare. You can't just drop a nuke on the "bad areas" of the Middle East wiping out mass civilian casualties and just call it a day.



Do you have a more effective way to combat extremism within Islam?


Doing nothing will only make their job easier.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Do you have a more effective way to combat extremism within Islam?


Doing nothing will only make their job easier.
We could also crack down on crime by turning every country into a dictatorship. Easy way is rarely the right way.

[fiddy]

We could also crack down on crime by turning every country into a dictatorship. Easy way is rarely the right way.
The word right is very subjective, provide context for it

[poido123]

We could also crack down on crime by turning every country into a dictatorship. Easy way is rarely the right way.



Muslims are fighting a stealth war.


not all of them are barbaric, blood thirsty animals. the others are supporting them by flooding countries, exploiting welfare and breeding. But also using media platforms to squash people's opinions and suffocate their host country.


Have a look at all the mosques, halal certifcation, muslims wearing traditional dress and some even wearing the niqabs and hijabs. Defiance on all levels.


now they are pushing to have sharia law recognised in all western/european countries.


Doesn't take Einstein to work out what will happen.

[KyrieTheFuture]

The word right is very subjective, provide context for it
I'm not using right in a moral sense. However, if nations want to pretend to be moral entities they don't get to nuke several countries. Poido, relax bro.

[tomtucker]

Muslims are fighting a stealth war.


not all of them are barbaric, blood thirsty animals. the others are supporting them by flooding countries, exploiting welfare and breeding. But also using media platforms to squash people's opinions and suffocate their host country.


Have a look at all the mosques, halal certifcation, muslims wearing traditional dress and some even wearing the niqabs and hijabs. Definace on all levels.


now they are pushing to have sharia law recognised in all western/european countries.


Doesn't take Einstein to work out what will happen.

exactly, it

[poido123]

[QUOTE=tomtucker]exactly, it

[Jameerthefear]

I think this comes from being bullied in high school. Many of these betas went to university to gain some sort of power in their life, they recognise those who oppose Islam as those alphas that beat them up in high school.


They are your neckbeard, faggy, skinny armed, white PC warriors. They want to fight this cause fueled by their disdain for those alphas who tormented them.
u have mental issues

[poido123]

I have mental issues


You don't say?!??


Living inside is not healthy. You need to get out.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Isn't is ****ing lunacy that Poido was a completely normal poster like a year ago? That's why I think this is a gimmick.

[BoutPractice]

You do realize that war is not fought behind a computer screen, right?

You don't take away territory from ISIS by writing a number higher than 14%... or by saying we need to be "tougher" or "smarter".

Forget about Obama. This war is being fought by professionals who are putting their lives on the line. They know the situation better than you or I do.

And in their world, the real world, war is not something simple. It's complicated. It's tough. Most of all it requires patience... Military gains, even when they appear sudden, are always made gradually... through courage and hard work, every minute of every hour of every day.

[NumberSix]

Isn't is ****ing lunacy that Poido was a completely normal poster like a year ago? That's why I think this is a gimmick.
If you call being a delusional Bulls Stan who thinks everyone is terrified of the Bulls and Derrick Rose, "normal".

[KyrieTheFuture]

If you call being a delusional Bulls Stan who thinks everyone is terrified of the Bulls and Derrick Rose, "normal".
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Dresta]

You do realize that war is not fought behind a computer screen, right?

You don't take away territory from ISIS by writing a number higher than 14%... or by saying we need to be "tougher" or "smarter".

Forget about Obama. This war is being fought by professionals who are putting their lives on the line. They know the situation better than you or I do.

And in their world, the real world, war is not something simple. It's complicated. It's tough. Most of all it requires patience... Military gains, even when they appear sudden, are always made gradually... through courage and hard work, every minute of every hour of every day.
No it isn't. It's being fought largely by volunteers, and it's being driven by conniving politicians and special interests, who have repeatedly denied and ignored all the intel and information provided to them by the professionals you speak of. If anything, the professionals have been sidelined, so that Western politicians can use foreign wars to boost their own reputations, because playing Winston Churchill makes them feel big and important - the cost is hundreds of thousands of people who just wanted to live their lives, and be left alone - but they don't matter, i guess :confusedshrug:.

Britain recently committed to bombings in Syria despite all the professionals advising to the contrary. You have children at the helm of Western powers right now, and they're playing with very big toys, as the danger of escalation and calamitous war gets bigger by the day.