Whats Kobe's Greatest Playoff performance?

[dubeta]

Does he even have a great playoff performance to his name?



All I hear about is Kobe "saving the WCF in 2000" with his clutch plays in Overtime


Problem is he was horrible in the first 3 games, and they wouldnt need saving if he just resembled an NBA player the first 3 games. He was the reason the team needed saving.

Kobe Game 1: 13 points on 44% shooting

Game 2: 12 points 22% FG

Game 4: 18 points 33% shooting

Game 5: 17 points 30% shooting

He was horrible







And then I hear about this "shot" to beat the "stacked Suns"

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/kobewinner.gif


Problem is that only took them up 3-1, and they later choked the series being one of the few teams in history to choke a 3-1 series lead.

That was also only the 1st round






And finally theres his 'legendary' Game 7 Finals performance in 2010, and errr... lets not get into that :lol





So.. what are Kobe's legendary playoff performances? :confusedshrug:

[Showtime2001]

2/6.

[dubeta]

2/6.

So Kobe's 5/7 while having 0 great performances? :wtf:



Damn, mustve been loaded with stacked teams

[Showtime2001]

So Kobe's 5/7 while having 0 great performances? :wtf:



Damn, mustve been loaded with stacked teams
Yeah great performances like this.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg

:applause:

[GrapeApe]

He averaged 30/6/5 with a 26.8 PER through the 2009 playoffs.

If you're referring to a single game, there were several outstanding performances that season to choose from.

[dubeta]

Yeah great performances like this.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg

:applause:

Ironically Kobe played worse against that Mavs team that same season, than LeBron did :lol

18/7/7 on 48% >> 19/2/3 on 41%


Just ethered yourself

[ImKobe]

2000: game saving block @ Portland, leading Lakers in 4 categories in Game 7 with the comeback win in the 4th, Finals Game 4 OT Shaq fouled out, closed Game 6 of the series

2001: 32/7/6 on ~50% shooting WC Playoffs, b2b 45+ pt 10+ reb games on the road @ Kings @ Spurs

2002: his most efficient Finals series, great road game against the Nets in Game 3

2008-10 2nd 3-peat MJ numbers in 3 straight Finals runs

What does Lebron have? Better numbers against some weak EC oppoents and choked twice against Boston

[dubeta]

2000: game saving block @ Portland, leading Lakers in 4 categories in Game 7 with the comeback win in the 4th, Finals Game 4 OT Shaq fouled out, closed Game 6 of the series

2001: 32/7/6 on ~50% shooting WC Playoffs, b2b 45+ pt 10+ reb games on the road @ Kings @ Spurs

2002: his most efficient Finals series, great road game against the Nets in Game 3

2008-10 2nd 3-peat MJ numbers in 3 straight Finals runs

What does Lebron have? Better numbers against some weak EC oppoents and choked twice against Boston

Im talking about single game performances

LeBron : Legendary 48 points vs Pistons 2007 (25 straight points) , Legendary 45 points vs Celtics to avoid elimination 2012 (GOAT performance), Legendary 37/12 Finals Game 7 2013



Kobe: ??????

[Heavincent]

49/10 vs Nuggets in 08

45/10 vs Kings in 01

48/16 vs Spurs in 01

Those last two happened in back to back games on the road

[dubeta]

48/10 vs Nuggets in 08

45/10 vs Kings in 01

48/16 vs Spurs in 01

Those last two happened in back to back games on the road

So basically statpadding in garbage time? Cool


Its not about the overall stats, by that standards Wilt had a legendary performance every game


Its about impact, pressure, magnitute, not just stats


LeBron scored 48 vs Pistons, but it was impactful since he scored the last 25 points and hit the gamewinner

LeBrons scored 45 vs Celtics, but it was impactful because it saved the entire Big 3 era, and staved of elimination being down 3-2 on the road. He also scored 30 in the first half, and could have dropped 55 point if he stayed in the entire game.


LeBron scored 37 vs the Spurs, but it was important since it was a freaking Game 7 performance in the Finals. He also hit the dagger shot of the game.






Kobe:???

No legendary performances

[Magic 32]

Legendary 37/12 Finals Game 7 2013

Kobe: ??????

Kobe has at least 4 playoff games against the Spurs better than that one.

2008-05-29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aXVxcLm2qQ

2004-05-11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0PmB22MFKw

2001-05-19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qawbo3NOmR4

2001-05-25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2vRGfaCTds

https://45.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma7gkicjLD1qke34uo1_500.gif

[dubeta]

Kobe has at least 4 playoff games against the Spurs better than that one.

2008-05-29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aXVxcLm2qQ

2004-05-11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0PmB22MFKw

2001-05-19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qawbo3NOmR4

2001-05-25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2vRGfaCTds


Read the post above yours

[Magic 32]

LeBron scored 48 vs Pistons, but it was impactful since he scored the last 25 points and hit the gamewinner

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0316/rise_g_cwebber1_400.jpg


LeBrons scored 45 vs Celtics, but it was impactful because it saved the entire Big 3 era

Why did it need saving???

http://thesportsfanjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/lebron-james-finals.jpg

[Magic 32]

Read the post above yours

No. Still great.

[dubeta]

No. Still great.

So LeBrons 49 points vs Brooklyn was 'legendary' in 2014?


LeBrons 49 points Game 1 vs the Magic in 2009 was 'legendary'?


LeBrons 40/18/9 vs the Pacers in 2012 was 'legenday'?




Its not about the stats, its about impactful performances


Its the same reason no one gives a shit about Kobe's 81 point statpad






Even if you want to play the stats game, LeBron has a clear advantage in high producing playoff games than Kobe, so why bother?




This is about legendary performances, which Kobe has a grand total of 0

[Magic 32]

Its not about the stats, its about impactful performances


Tell me how the 2004 and 2008 games had no impact...

[dubeta]

Tell me how the 2004 and 2008 games had no impact...

Didn't he choke both years in the finals? Hows that impactful?

[Wade's Rings]

Didn't he choke both years in the finals? Hows that impactful?

Bron shot 35% with 6 turnovers a game in the '07 Finals. So the Conference Finals Game has no impact.

Wade was being double-teamed the whole series vs the Celtics so Bron had no impact.

Both overrated performances with 0 impact.

[Magic 32]

Didn't he choke both years in the finals? Hows that impactful?

So by your own criteria the 2007 game against the Pistons is also not legendary?

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Penguin-Falls-Over-Rock.gif

[Straight_Ballin]

This is about legendary performances, which Kobe has a grand total of 0

Wrong.

Kobe is 5/7.
Bron is 2/6.

Both were the leaders of their teams.

Since Kobe has more rings, he will go down as being more legendary. No one gives a shit about playoff performances except for bron stans because all they can talk about is success in the playoffs, since his success in the finals is mediocre with a 2/6 finals record. There's a reason why no sports mind knows what 1-9 means, but they all know what 2/6 and 6/6 mean. No one cares about success in the playoffs.

[dubeta]

Bron shot 35% with 6 turnovers a game in the '07 Finals. So the Conference Finals Game has no impact.

Wade was being double-teamed the whole series vs the Celtics so Bron had no impact.

Both overrated performances with 0 impact.


Wade got swept in the 1st round that same season :roll:




First time in NBA history a defending champ got swept in the 1st round


Wade stans can't talk about chokes :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

Wrong.

Kobe is 5/7.
Bron is 2/6.

Both were the leaders of their teams.

Since Kobe has more rings, he will go down as being more legendary. No one gives a shit about playoff performances except for bron stans because all they can talk about is success in the playoffs, since his success in the finals is mediocre with a 2/6 finals record. There's a reason why no sports mind knows what 1-9 means, but they all know what 2/6 and 6/6 mean. No one cares about success in the playoffs.

Kobe was not the leader/best player on his team from 00-02

[Wade's Rings]

Wade got swept in the 1st round that same season :roll:




First time in NBA history a defending champ got swept in the 1st round


Wade stans can't talk about chokes :roll:

So you're just going to deflect :applause: :applause:

[dubeta]

So by your own criteria the 2007 game against the Pistons is also not legendary?

Down to 2.



And Kobe's still at....





0

[zeerghit]

when u guys fu*king understand?
KOBE = GREAT PLAYER
LEBRON = GREAT PLAYER
end of fu*king STORY

[Magic 32]

And Kobe's still at....

0

So the 37/12 game against the Spurs is legendary?

....but Kobe's 45/10 game against prime Duncan is not?

[GrapeApe]

So LeBrons 49 points vs Brooklyn was 'legendary' in 2014?


LeBrons 49 points Game 1 vs the Magic in 2009 was 'legendary'?


LeBrons 40/18/9 vs the Pacers in 2012 was 'legenday'?




Its not about the stats, its about impactful performances


Its the same reason no one gives a shit about Kobe's 81 point statpad






Even if you want to play the stats game, LeBron has a clear advantage in high producing playoff games than Kobe, so why bother?




This is about legendary performances, which Kobe has a grand total of 0

Your cherry-picked qualifiers and definitition of "legendary" are completely arbitrary. Many of Kobe's performances being mentioned are easily legendary.

[dubeta]

So you're just going to deflect :applause: :applause:

Why are you even bringing up 2007 when Wade had the GOAT choke that season? :wtf: :roll:

[TripleA]

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad191/Tjarks/nba_g_wade_395.jpg
Lol D-Wade shits on Lebron and Kobe in the finals and legendary games.

[dubeta]

So the 37/12 game against the Spurs is legendary?

....but Kobe's 45/10 game against prime Duncan is not?


Was that a Game 7 in the Finals?

[Magic 32]

Was that a Game 7 in the Finals?

So it has to be in the finals or in a game 7?

Down to 1.

[Wade's Rings]

Why are you even bringing up 2007 when Wade had the GOAT choke that season? :wtf: :roll:

Did Wade have a series shooting 35% with 6 turnovers that Post-Season?

[dubeta]

Did Wade have a series shooting 35% with 6 turnovers that Post-Season?


Worse


He didn't even win a single game the entire playoffs :facepalm

[Showtime2001]

NBA Finals? ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQhhYPc0MCY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olqGddqhhHw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-kpF8bOg7g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v-EneHUwok

[dubeta]

So it has to be in the finals or in a game 7?

Down to 1.


No it just has to be do or die


Game 6 elimination vs Celtics
Game 7 vs Spurs


So if that excludes LeBrons game 5 vs Pistons still leaves a 2-0 advantage to LeBron

[Wade's Rings]

Worse


He didn't even win a single game the entire playoffs :facepalm

Just like Lebron in that series.

Bron '07 Finals: 22/7/7/1/.5 shooting 36%
Wade 1st Round: 24/5/6/1.3/.5 shooting 43%

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:


No it just has to be do or die


Game 6 elimination vs Celtics
Game 7 vs Spurs


So if that excludes LeBrons game 5 vs Pistons still leaves a 2-0 advantage to LeBron

Doesn't count because Wade was double-teamed the whole series. Clearly, the Celtics didn't even consider Bron a threat.

[Magic 32]

No it just has to be do or die


Well I guess Michael Jordan never had any legendary finals games then.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sHFwKV6H1tY/VRN7wycbEYI/AAAAAAAALkg/ILzhredlj7s/s1600/4vCzng1.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

Well I guess Michael Jordan never had any legendary finals games then.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sHFwKV6H1tY/VRN7wycbEYI/AAAAAAAALkg/ILzhredlj7s/s1600/4vCzng1.gif

:lol Or many at all in the '90's

[sammichoffate]

How long has this shitty poster been on this forum? That's the real question, you make me feel bad for ACTUAL cavs fans sometimes :facepalm

[dubeta]

Doesn't count because Wade was double-teamed the whole series. Clearly, the Celtics didn't even consider Bron a threat.

?

Remove Wade from the Heat in '12 and they still win the championship

[Doranku]

?

Remove Wade from the Heat in '12 and they still win the championship

They wouldn't even make the finals. Wade was huge against Indiana. And even if they get by Indiana, there's no chance they get by Boston. They barely did even with Wade.

[Wade's Rings]

?

Remove Wade from the Heat in '12 and they still win the championship

So you're going to ignore the 1st half of my post? :oldlol:

How? Clearly teams didn't see Bron as a threat so they lose.

[GrapeApe]

Why are you even bringing up 2007 when Wade had the GOAT choke that season? :wtf: :roll:

How was it a choke season when he was injured? Why couldn't Shaq, a player you claim to still be in his prime in 2007, carry the team with Wade injured? Shouldn't a top 10 all-time player and MDE in his prime be able to win that series? Wade carried the team in the 2005 playoffs in the games Shaq was injured, why couldn't Shaq do the same in 2007 when Wade was injured?

[dubeta]

How was it a choke season when he was injured? Why couldn't Shaq, a player you claim to still be in his prime in 2007, carry the team with Wade injured? Shouldn't a top 10 all-time player and MDE in his prime be able to win that series? Wade carried the team in the 2005 playoffs in the games Shaq was injured, why couldn't Shaq do the same in 2007 when Wade was injured?


LeBron was injured last year (back) and still made it to the Finals.


Kyrie and Love were also injured (Love wasn't even playing)


What's Wade's excuses?

[GrapeApe]

LeBron was injured last year (back) and still made it to the Finals.


Kyrie and Love were also injured (Love wasn't even playing)


What's Wade's excuses?

I didn't realize Lebron had multiple surgeries. I must have forgot about that.

[Wade's Rings]

Dubeta what happened?

[dubeta]

Dubeta what happened?

?


You dodged every question I asked

[Wade's Rings]

?


You dodged every question I asked

Bron '07 Finals: 22/7/7/1/.5 shooting 36%
Wade 1st Round: 24/5/6/1.3/.5 shooting 43%

Wade was double-teamed the whole '12 Celtics series. Clearly, the Celtics didn't even consider Bron a threat.

What hasn't been answered?

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Straight_Ballin]

Kobe was not the leader/best player on his team from 00-02

Pull up the finals stats between Kobe and Shaq. They were co-leaders.

[dubeta]

Pull up the finals stats between Kobe and Shaq. They were co-leaders.
I'm trying to find the stats, but all I'm getting is 1-9 :wtf:

[Straight_Ballin]

I'm trying to find the stats, but all I'm getting is 1-9 :wtf:

That's because your chance of finding them is only 2/6. :sleeping

[SouBeachTalents]

Pull up the finals stats between Kobe and Shaq. They were co-leaders.

2000 Finals
Shaq: 38/17/2 on 61%
Kobe: 16/5/4 on 37%

2001 Finals
Shaq: 33/16/5 on 57%
Kobe: 25/8/6 on 42%

2002 Finals
Shaq: 36/12/4 on 60%
Kobe: 27/6/5 on 51%

[Deuce Bigalow]

2000 Finals
Shaq: 38/17/2 on 61%
Kobe: 16/5/4 on 37%

2001 Finals
Shaq: 33/16/5 on 57%
Kobe: 25/8/6 on 42%

2002 Finals
Shaq: 36/12/4 on 60%
Kobe: 27/6/5 on 51%
How about the conference finals and semifinals vs the Blazers, Kings, and Spurs who were probably bigger threats than the Pacers, Sixers, and Nets don't you think?

[SouBeachTalents]

How about the conference finals and semifinals vs the Blazers, Kings, and Spurs who were probably bigger threats than the Pacers, Sixers, and Nets don't you think?

2000 was a clear cut second option season for Kobe. You could argue he was just as good, if not better than Shaq during the '01 playoff run, but Shaq was clearly better in the Finals, as he was during 3/4 series in the '02 run

[Deuce Bigalow]

2000 was a clear cut second option season for Kobe. You could argue he was just as good, if not better than Shaq during the '01 playoff run, but Shaq was clearly better in the Finals, as he was during 3/4 series in the '02 run
Fair enough

[sammichoffate]

2000 was a clear cut second option season for Kobe. You could argue he was just as good, if not better than Shaq during the '01 playoff run, but Shaq was clearly better in the Finals, as he was during 3/4 series in the '02 run^this. Wish these fgts wud acknowledge it more. Ty SouBeach

[Bankaii]

How about the conference finals and semifinals vs the Blazers, Kings, and Spurs who were probably bigger threats than the Pacers, Sixers, and Nets don't you think?
The same Blazers, Kings, and Spurs that couldn't even get a win yet the 76ers did?

And aren't rings won in the Finals? Where Shaq was clearly better.

You can't go around saying 5/7 and then disregarding Finals stats, young Kobetard.

[IGOTGAME]

That series vs phx on 05-06. It all came together for a brief bit before that knee surgery. He trusted his teammates, controlled pace and it was beautiful. They lost the series but that is the best I've ever seen him and I've watched his entire career very closely.

[DaOldLion]

The same Blazers, Kings, and Spurs that couldn't even get a win yet the 76ers did?

And aren't rings won in the Finals? Where Shaq was clearly better.

You can't go around saying 5/7 and then disregarding Finals stats, young Kobetard.


why would you enforce the point that the 76ers beat the Lakers as being a reason why they were tougher competition when trying to argue against somebody you refer to as a "Kobetard"


Kobe had his first bad game of the playoffs and the Lakers lost their only game, which goes to show how important Kobe was to that team. Before that he was putting up 32/6/7 on 50% and they swept the conference playoffs. He had his first bad game and they lost.

Kobe led his team in FGM, Scoring and assist through the first three rounds of the playoffs and why somebody would try to diminish his role and importance on those teams, especially from 01-02, is beyond me.

[Deuce Bigalow]

The same Blazers, Kings, and Spurs that couldn't even get a win yet the 76ers did?

And aren't rings won in the Finals? Where Shaq was clearly better.

You can't go around saying 5/7 and then disregarding Finals stats, young Kobetard.
Lakers had a long rest before that loss and were 11-0 I mean they were eventually gonna drop one after all it's the playoffs...

A ring is won after you win all 4 rounds, the entire playoff stats would be more fair to post is all I'm saying. I'm not disregarding the Finals stats it seems like some disregard the stats vs the Spurs and kings.

[Showtime2001]

why would you enforce the point that the 76ers beat the Lakers as being a reason why they were tougher competition when trying to argue against somebody you refer to as a "Kobetard"


Kobe had his first bad game of the playoffs and the Lakers lost their only game, which goes to show how important Kobe was to that team. Before that he was putting up 32/6/7 on 50% and they swept the conference playoffs. He had his first bad game and they lost.

Kobe led his team in FGM, Scoring and assist through the first three rounds of the playoffs and why somebody would try to diminish his role and importance on those teams, especially from 01-02, is beyond me.
Agenda driven Bron / Duncan stans.

[Deuce Bigalow]

why would you enforce the point that the 76ers beat the Lakers as being a reason why they were tougher competition when trying to argue against somebody you refer to as a "Kobetard"


Kobe had his first bad game of the playoffs and the Lakers lost their only game, which goes to show how important Kobe was to that team. Before that he was putting up 32/6/7 on 50% and they swept the conference playoffs. He had his first bad game and they lost.

Kobe led his team in FGM, Scoring and assist through the first three rounds of the playoffs and why somebody would try to diminish his role and importance on those teams, especially from 01-02, is beyond me.
Kobe also led in scoring for the first 3 rounds in the 02 playoffs as well, on sub par efficiency though but nonetheless being the leading scorer and assist man should mean something. In 02 the Lakers swept the Nets, they were not as big of a threat as the Kings and the Spurs. I don't think anyone would argue that if the Lakers lost to either of those teams then that winner would destroy New Jersey too.

[Bankaii]

why would you enforce the point that the 76ers beat the Lakers as being a reason why they were tougher competition when trying to argue against somebody you refer to as a "Kobetard"
So you're saying the only team they actually lost to was easier competitors than all the teams they swept?:hammerhead:


Kobe had his first bad game of the playoffs and the Lakers lost their only game, which goes to show how important Kobe was to that team. Before that he was putting up 32/6/7 on 50% and they swept the conference playoffs. He had his first bad game and they lost.
False. Don't push your Kobe agenda. I never said he wasn't important, but he wasn't as important as Shaq.

Game 3 vs Portland: 22 points on 23 shots (39%). Lakers still win by 13.

Game 1 vs the Kings was nothing special either.


Kobe led his team in FGM, Scoring and assist through the first three rounds of the playoffs and why somebody would try to diminish his role and importance on those teams, especially from 01-02, is beyond me.
No he didn't, Shaq did. Kobe did lead his team in FGA tho, so I'm guessing FGM means Field Goals Missed.

And again, no he didn't, Shaq led in points.

Kobe was the leading guard in usage by a very large margin tho, so the assists are to be expected.


Please show me where I diminished Kobe. Stating that he wasn't as important as Shaq in the Finals (where the rings that largely make his legacy are won) is a fact.

[Bankaii]

Lakers had a long rest before that loss and were 11-0 I mean they were eventually gonna drop one after all it's the playoffs...

A ring is won after you win all 4 rounds, the entire playoff stats would be more fair to post is all I'm saying. I'm not disregarding the Finals stats it seems like some disregard the stats vs the Spurs and kings.
Fatigue wasn't the reason come on stop with the excuses.

Kobe played bad because the 76ers were a strong defensive team and AI went off. That was the toughest game the lakers played the entire post run.

And understand all rounds are all important for a ring. But the Finals are clearly the most crucial.

No one remembers Magic dominating the 1984 playoffs, just "Tragic Bronson" in the Finals, same with 2004 Kobe, and 2011 Lebron.

Kobe fans can't spam 5/7 on here when 3 of Kobe's 5 he clearly was a sidekick. If that's the case can we spam 6/6 to prop up Pippen?

[Bankaii]

Kobe also led in scoring for the first 3 rounds in the 02 playoffs as well
Nope, Shaq did.


on sub par efficiency though but nonetheless being the assist.
This part is correct though.

[TommyGriffin]

When dude compares Kobe Bryant to Scottie Pippen.

What a meltdown. :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

So you're saying the only team they actually lost to was easier competitors than all the teams they swept?:hammerhead:


False. Don't push your Kobe agenda. I never said he wasn't important, but he wasn't as important as Shaq.

Game 3 vs Portland: 22 points on 23 shots (39%). Lakers still win by 13.

Game 1 vs the Kings was nothing special either.


No he didn't, Shaq did. Kobe did lead his team in FGA tho, so I'm guessing FGM means Field Goals Missed.

And again, no he didn't, Shaq led in points.

Kobe was the leading guard in usage by a very large margin tho, so the assists are to be expected.


Please show me where I diminished Kobe. Stating that he wasn't as important as Shaq in the Finals (where the rings that largely make his legacy are won) is a fact.
Wrong

Kobe 31.6 ppg
Shaq 29.3 ppg

And 02

Kobe 26.6 ppg
Shaq 26.4 ppg

[TommyGriffin]

Wrong

Kobe 31.6 ppg
Shaq 29.3 ppg

And 02

Kobe 26.6 ppg
Shaq 26.4 ppg

Don't bother with that nerd he doesn't know shit about ball.

[DaOldLion]

So you're saying the only team they actually lost to was easier competitors than all the teams they swept?:hammerhead:

No, I'm saying that the only game they lost was when Kobe didn't play well, showing how important Kobe playing well was to the team

False. Don't push your Kobe agenda. I never said he wasn't important, but he wasn't as important as Shaq.

Through the first three rounds of 01 he was as important as Shaq No agenda here, but you're acting like an idiot and need a dose of reality

Game 3 vs Portland: 22 points on 23 shots (39%). Lakers still win by 13.

Game 1 vs the Kings was nothing special either.

That's all you got? I have to imagine that going through every game on bball reference to find a bad game and having to settle for a 22 point, 9 assist performance wasn't exactly fulfilling. The Kings game he had 29/5/4 on 44%, I know you're not trying to call that a bad game..


No he didn't, Shaq did. Kobe did lead his team in FGA tho, so I'm guessing FGM means Field Goals Missed.

And again, no he didn't, Shaq led in points.

Kobe was the leading guard in usage by a very large margin tho, so the assists are to be expected.


Please show me where I diminished Kobe. Stating that he wasn't as important as Shaq in the Finals (where the rings that largely make his legacy are won) is a fact.



No he didn't, Shaq did. Kobe did lead his team in FGA tho, so I'm guessing FGM means Field Goals Missed.

And again, no he didn't, Shaq led in points.

you are either lying or just don't know what you're talking about.

Shaq scored 322 points through the first three rounds of the 01 playoffs, Kobe scored 348.. You ask where you are diminishing Kobe? How about this right here as you lie about his stats :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Nope, Shaq did.


This part is correct though.
Kobe (11g): 31.6 PTS (.577 TS%), 7.0 REB, 6.2 AST, 1.6 STL, 0.5 BLK, 3.0 TOV

Shaq (11g): 29.3 PTS (.558 TS%), 15.3 REB, 2.5 AST, 0.5 STL, 1.9 BLK, 3.4 TOV

[Bankaii]

Wrong

Kobe 31.6 ppg
Shaq 29.3 ppg

And 02

Kobe 26.6 ppg
Shaq 26.4 ppg
Yea that's my bad honest mistake. You're right.

My point about the Finals and rings still stands though.

[Bankaii]

Don't bother with that nerd he doesn't know shit about ball.
You want my attention so badly, warriorsfan.

Here bud, go ahead and embarrass yourself.

[Showtime2001]

Kobe fans can't spam 5/7 on here when 3 of Kobe's 5 he clearly was a sidekick. If that's the case can we spam 6/6 to prop up Pippen?
If Kobe was "clearly a sidekick" then why was he outscoring Shaq in the first 3 rounds in 01 & 02?

[Bankaii]

If Kobe was "clearly a sidekick" then why was he outscoring Shaq in the first 3 rounds in 01 & 02?
Do you get a ring for winning the 1st 3 rounds?

[Showtime2001]

Do you get a ring for winning the 1st 3 rounds?
Do you realize in order to get to the finals you have to win the 1st 3 rounds?

No apparently you don't.

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Crazy....

[Bankaii]

Do you realize in order to get to the finals you have to win the 1st 3 rounds?

No apparently you don't.
Do you realize that all of that is meaningless if you don't get it done in the Finals.

I've already explained this and it's not hard to grasp.

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For years...

Many excuses are made for Kobe's success (Can't win without Shaq...then Gasol/Bynum)

For years...

Many excuses are made for Bron's failures (Elbow-gate, not enough help)

[IMObjective]

Yea that's my bad honest mistake. You're right.

My point about the Finals and rings still stands though.Clear bias against Kobe exposed. HATER.

bleach fan, lol

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The "side kick rings" weren't even a legit argument until Kobe won ring 5. Now since so many people hate Kobe Bryant, people are re-evaluating the importance of people like Pippen, Kareem, Wade, Duncan and etc.

....All because of a couple of rings that Kobe "shouldn't" have ever won without Shaq.

[DaOldLion]

Do you realize that all of that is meaningless if you don't get it done in the Finals.

I've already explained this and it's not hard to grasp.


well yes actually it is hard to grasp the logic of diminishing the first three rounds of the playoffs and using 1/4 of the playoffs to determine what roles each player played instead of looking at the full picture :oldlol: :oldlol:

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If kobe never won 2 more rings after Shaq...there would be NO TALK of side-kick rings for any great player is history.

As far as great performances, there are WAY too many great playoff games to choose from from Kobes' playoff runs...in which many preceded rings.

[Bankaii]

well yes actually it is hard to grasp the logic of diminishing the first three rounds of the playoffs and using 1/4 of the playoffs to determine what roles each player played instead of looking at the full picture :oldlol: :oldlol:
:facepalm

Saying that the round that actually wins the ring is the most important doesn't diminish prior series.

But I'm done, this is pointless.

[Bankaii]

If kobe never won 2 more rings after Shaq...there would be NO TALK of side-kick rings for any great player is history.

As far as great performances, there are WAY too many great playoff games to choose from from Kobes' playoff runs...in which many preceded rings.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/blogs/triple-threat/Lakers-Kobe-Bryant-Shaq-sidekick-video-191065851.html

If Kobe can admit it, why can't his dumb stans do the same.

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http://www.nbclosangeles.com/blogs/triple-threat/Lakers-Kobe-Bryant-Shaq-sidekick-video-191065851.html

If Kobe can admit it, why can't his dumb stans do the same.


You're clearly upset that Kobe won without Shaq...

Just take your L and move on. Don't take it personally.

[DaOldLion]

:facepalm

Saying that the round that actually wins the ring is the most important doesn't diminish prior series.

But I'm done, this is pointless.

yeah arguing with somebody who clearly wasn't watching these teams is pointless. You already proved earlier that you had no idea what you were talking about when you stated multiple times that Kobe didn't lead the Lakers in scoring through the Western conference playoffs in 01 & 02

[Showtime2001]

You're clearly upset that Kobe won without Shaq...

Just take your L and move on. Don't take it personally.
:applause:

[KiiiiNG]

If kobe never won 2 more rings after Shaq...there would be NO TALK of side-kick rings for any great player is history.

As far as great performances, there are WAY too many great playoff games to choose from from Kobes' playoff runs...in which many preceded rings.
Great Performance, singular

Pick one moron. Stop dodging

[Bankaii]

You're clearly upset that Kobe won without Shaq...

Just take your L and move on. Don't take it personally.
Kobe: "I was Shaq's sidekick".

Kobetard: "Kobe wasn't a sidekick:cry: "

Just stop trying.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe Bryant playoff career

20 point games: 167
25 point games: 123
30 point games: 87
35 point games: 39
40 point games: 13
45 point games: 5
50 point games: 1

24 teams with 50+ wins eliminated
5 for 7 in nba finals
Played in west during toughest time in nba history




Lebron James playoff career

20 point games: 156
25 point games: 114
30 point games: 81
35 point games: 33
40 point games: 15
45 point games: 7
50 point games:

7 teams with 50+ wins eliminated
2 for 6 finals record
played in east during weakest era in nba history





both have around the same number of starts ( i.e. equal opportunities to score allot )

its pretty close... but with kobe having 3 times the success


to say kobe didnt have any big games is basically to say lebron didnt have any either

[WayOfWade]

Kobe Bryant playoff career

20 point games: 167
25 point games: 123
30 point games: 87
35 point games: 39
40 point games: 13
45 point games: 5
50 point games: 1

24 teams with 50+ wins eliminated
5 for 7 in nba finals
Played in west during toughest time in nba history




Lebron James playoff career

20 point games: 156
25 point games: 114
30 point games: 81
35 point games: 33
40 point games: 15
45 point games: 7
50 point games:

7 teams with 50+ wins eliminated
2 for 6 finals record
played in east during weakest era in nba history





both have around the same number of starts ( i.e. equal opportunities to score allot )

its pretty close... but with kobe having 3 times the success


to say kobe didnt have any big games is basically to say lebron didnt have any either
With that being said, what's Kobe's greatest playoff performance out of so many? And I'm serious here, I just want to see your preference. I personally loved his 49 against the Nuggets, I believe it was to not fall behind 3-1 in the conference finals, epic stuff right there.

[kennethgriffin]

With that being said, what's Kobe's greatest playoff performance out of so many? And I'm serious here, I just want to see your preference. I personally loved his 49 against the Nuggets, I believe it was to not fall behind 3-1 in the conference finals, epic stuff right there.

probably the 2010 wcf elimination game on the road where he kept hitting jumpers in alvin gentrys face. then spanked him on the ass and made nash cry



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxtUijxjPpY

shot and tap ^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liKW_fyV-UQ

gentry post game ^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KKJmSYaC8E

barkley/reggie post game ^

he only had 37 points. but it was the way he got them. and what they meant


he basically retired nash that night

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MgwdlK06Evw/0.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xnWGXKA0I_Q/hqdefault.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeMHF5NQTzw

full highlights ^

[WayOfWade]

probably the 2010 wcf elimination game on the road where he kept hitting jumpers in alvin gentrys face. then spanked him on the ass and made nash cry



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxtUijxjPpY

shot and tap ^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liKW_fyV-UQ

gentry post game ^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KKJmSYaC8E

barkley/reggie post game ^

he only had 37 points. but it was the way he got them. and what they meant


he basically retired nash that night

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MgwdlK06Evw/0.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xnWGXKA0I_Q/hqdefault.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeMHF5NQTzw

full highlights ^
I remember watching that live, unbelievable shots he was hitting. I forget which video but there's one that shows a Suns fan switching sides to the Lakers after Kobe hit those crazy shots. And yeah Nash's career was pretty much over at that point, his last legit shot at a title. Fantastic game by Mr. Bryant :applause:

[stalkerforlife]

probably the 2010 wcf elimination game on the road where he kept hitting jumpers in alvin gentrys face. then spanked him on the ass and made nash cry



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxtUijxjPpY

shot and tap ^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liKW_fyV-UQ

gentry post game ^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KKJmSYaC8E

barkley/reggie post game ^

he only had 37 points. but it was the way he got them. and what they meant


he basically retired nash that night

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MgwdlK06Evw/0.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xnWGXKA0I_Q/hqdefault.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeMHF5NQTzw

full highlights ^

That shit was epic.

The greatest display of skill the game has ever seen.

[Chokefree]

fageta (dubeta) stopped posting.....lmao he knows he got caught slipping and basically is the bitch on these forums.....thanks for confirming that OP you low life son of a bitch

[AirFederer]

Not the biggest fan of Kobe, but Dubeta just got his **** pushed in :lol

[sportjames23]

Not the biggest fan of Kobe, but Dubeta just got his **** pushed in :lol


Must be a day that ends in "y". :oldlol:

[stalkerforlife]

Damn LeBeta...WTF happened? kenneth wrecked your intestines.

[Wade's Rings]

made nash cry

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xnWGXKA0I_Q/hqdefault.jpg

Never understand why athletes are made fun of for crying after tough losses like that.