How would a Mexican man/woman/family LEGALLY become an American?

[CavaliersFTW]

You're a family in Mexico. You can't make a dime in Mexico, you've got to survive. You want to go to the U.S.

So how do you do it "legally"?

I always hear about them being deported, and them saying they'd need to come right back if they were. Has anyone ever wondered what exactly is the legal process that deters so many of them from doing it legally? There must be some sort of negative pressure or high degree of difficulty to do it legally if it is so common to risk it illegally right?

[Nick Young]

They can apply for a work visa like everyone from every other country has to do. Then they can live and work in America, once it's approved of course.


Once they fulfill all the requirements of citizenship, they can apply, and if successful, become full US citizens.


No one is entitled to US citizenship, except people born on US soil or to American parents.


There is a long waiting list to become a citizen, and it's difficult to get a work visa. You have to be good at what you do. Remember, people from all over the world want to work in America. America can't just let every scrub in.


You can't make a dime in Mexico
If they aren't qualified to work in Mexico, why would they be qualified to work in America?

[WayOfWade]

They can apply for a work visa like everyone from every other country has to do. Then they can live and work in America, once it's approved of course.


Once they fulfill all the requirements of citizenship, they can apply, and if successful, become full US citizens.


No one is entitled to US citizenship, except people born on US soil or to American parents.


There is a long waiting list to become a citizen, and it's difficult to get a work visa. You have to be good at what you do. Remember, people from all over the world want to work in America. America can't just let every scrub in.


If they aren't qualified to work in Mexico, why would they be qualified to work in America?
Seems legit, but I feel like it might take a while and lots of $ to get that work visa. I say that with little to no knowledge on the matter ofcourse, but it's either that or they're just lazy/delusional and think crossing illegally will solve all their problems

[Nick Young]

Seems legit, but I feel like it might take a while and lots of $ to get that work visa. I say that with little to no knowledge on the matter ofcourse, but it's either that or they're just lazy/delusional and think crossing illegally will solve all their problems
Yeah, guess what, like most things worth doing, it's hard.


I don't think it's lazy or delusional to cross the border, it's probably pretty stressful and requires a lot of work and resolve. It is a brave thing to do, to risk your life and safety to go to a country and try to build a life there when you can get kicked out at any moment.



That doesn't mean it is right. And that doesn't mean we should just open the borders and let everyone who wants to live in America in to America.

[verylegit]

Seems legit, but I feel like it might take a while and lots of $ to get that work visa. I say that with little to no knowledge on the matter ofcourse, but it's either that or they're just lazy/delusional and think crossing illegally will solve all their problems
This is correct, aside from waiting on a long waitlist, it takes good money (keep in mind mexico is 3rd world country) to get a visa. It's a lot more difficult than it sounds.

Why do you think people pay a coyote thousands of dollars to get across the border. A teacher in Mexico who studied in University makes an average of 1,400 dollars a month, and I can tell you that figure is GREATLY exaggerated. The true figure is more around the ~400-800 dollar range. Teachers are considered the highest paid proffesion. Let that sink in.

[Nick Young]

This is correct, aside from waiting on a long waitlist, it takes good money (keep in mind mexico is 3rd world country) to get a visa. It's a lot more difficult than it sounds.

Why do you think people pay a coyote thousands of dollars to get across the border. A teacher in Mexico who studied in University makes an average of 1,400 dollars a month, and I can tell you that figure is GREATLY exaggerated. The true figure is more around the ~400-800 dollar range. Teachers are considered the highest paid proffesion. Let that sink in.
No they aren't. Where are you getting your information from?

[KyrieTheFuture]

No they aren't. Where are you getting your information from?
Are you implying he has information beyond his own thoughts? Guarantee that dude has never even been to Mexico.

[verylegit]

No they aren't. Where are you getting your information from?
http://s9.postimg.org/fj44w6m67/image.png

[verylegit]

Are you implying he has information beyond his own thoughts? Guarantee that dude has never even been to Mexico.
I've been to Mexico 2 times every year since I was a baby up until my 16th year when my Mexican Grandmother died. Since being 16, I've been to Mexico sporadically. All in all, I've been to Mexico at least 50 times. You been?

[ALBballer]

You're a family in Mexico. You can't make a dime in Mexico, you've got to survive. You want to go to the U.S.

So how do you do it "legally"?

I always hear about them being deported, and them saying they'd need to come right back if they were. Has anyone ever wondered what exactly is the legal process that deters so many of them from doing it legally? There must be some sort of negative pressure or high degree of difficulty to do it legally if it is so common to risk it illegally right?

10% of the world lives under $2 a day (roughly 700 million people.) Let's let them all in.

I come from a "developing country" where many of my family members are college educated and are making $200-300 a month if they are lucky to find a job (in a country of 40% unemployment.) The ones that have emigrated here have done so legally and have gone through the paperwork and the wait process.

Mexicans (moreso poor Mexicans) in a sense benefit they border one of the richest countries in the World and have an easier passage to immigrate to the US illegally.

[UK2K]

You're a family in Mexico. You can't make a dime in Mexico, you've got to survive. You want to go to the U.S.

So how do you do it "legally"?

I always hear about them being deported, and them saying they'd need to come right back if they were. Has anyone ever wondered what exactly is the legal process that deters so many of them from doing it legally? There must be some sort of negative pressure or high degree of difficulty to do it legally if it is so common to risk it illegally right?

The same way my step mother did.

Get an education, apply for a visa and a sponsor, come here, make money, become a citizen.

The real question is, why does everybody not have to go through this process?

[Dresta]

Well, it's difficult for people who try to do things the right way, as Americans seem intent to bend over backwards for those who are doing things the wrong way, trying to take shortcuts, and so on.

Policies like Amnesty, and the clowns who encourage such folly, make it logical and sensible to come to the country illegally, as those who try legal channels are delayed, charged, and generally treated like shit, whereas those who came illegally are given a free pass. That is the definition of a bad incentive structure - tis completely illogical.

[Nick Young]

I've been to Mexico 2 times every year since I was a baby up until my 16th year when my Mexican Grandmother died. Since being 16, I've been to Mexico sporadically. All in all, I've been to Mexico at least 50 times. You been?



Teachers are considered the highest paid proffesion

This is what you said. I know for a fact that is not true at all. Teachers do not earn a higher salary than doctors or engineers or lawyers who live and work in Mexico, let alone several other professions. Teaching is not the highest paid profession in Mexico.

[Nick Young]

The same way my step mother did.

Get an education, apply for a visa and a sponsor, come here, make money, become a citizen.

The real question is, why does everybody not have to go through this process?
Yep. Why is the world acting like Mexicans are all entitled to live and work in America?

[iamgine]

You're a family in Mexico. You can't make a dime in Mexico, you've got to survive. You want to go to the U.S.

So how do you do it "legally"?

I always hear about them being deported, and them saying they'd need to come right back if they were. Has anyone ever wondered what exactly is the legal process that deters so many of them from doing it legally? There must be some sort of negative pressure or high degree of difficulty to do it legally if it is so common to risk it illegally right?
You mean on a tourist visa right?

Look at the requirements:

They Passports containing all previous U.S. visas, previously issued BCCs, even if expired
Birth certificate (original or certified copy)
Voter Registration Card (IFE/INE) if 18 or over
Proof of Finances (bank statements, Cedula Fiscal, tax documents)
Proof of Education (school diploma, Cedula Profesional)
Proof of Employment (pay slips, company credential, letter from Human Resources Department)

Plus a sizable sum of application fee up front that they need to pay which is not returnable if their visa get rejected. Not to mention they need to travel to the embassy and prepare the paperwork, which are plenty.

Now, the type of people who crosses illegally clearly has no satisfactory proof of finances, education and employment so why even try.

[Kblaze8855]

there are like a hundred and twenty million people in Mexico. I don't know if we can pretend you just can't survive.....

Anyway... white former coworker of mine married her longtime Mexican boyfriend. they have kids together and are married now and they have still been spending years and thousands of dollars trying to get him citizenship. It was easier to just all move to Mexico together and try to come back after they had worked it out.

The whole process left her kind of bitter towards the people who come in illegally.

[UK2K]

there are like a hundred and twenty million people in Mexico. I don't know if we can pretend you just can't survive.....

Anyway... white former coworker of mine married her longtime Mexican boyfriend. they have kids together and are married now and they have still been spending years and thousands of dollars trying to get him citizenship. It was easier to just all move to Mexico together and try to come back after they had worked it out.

The whole process left her kind of bitter towards the people who come in illegally.

Should have went to Mexico, tossed her passport into the ocean, and then come back.

Would have gone right to the front of the line. And had benefits for days.

Live and learn I guess.

[Nick Young]

Should have went to Mexico, tossed her passport into the ocean, and then come back.

Would have gone right to the front of the line. And had benefits for days.

Live and learn I guess.
Yes. it is absolute bullshit that the people who sneak in illegally are a higher priority to the US government and treated better than the people who follow the law and go through the bureaucratic process and apply for a visa and citizenship properly.

It is the same in the UK. I have a business here and have created jobs for British people (only 3 people, but a job is a job) but still I have to go through an extensive and expensive visa re-application process every year. I am not entitled to welfare benefits, nor do I seek them. Every year the UK tightens the laws and makes things harder for people who are not British or EU citizens but running businesses in the UK.




Meanwhile I meet a bunch of people at my university and around where I live who are not legal UK citizens. Every time I go to sell at a market stall I run in to more illegals who have been here for decades and skiving off the system. They have lived here illegally for 10+ years. They get free money from the job center every month and even managed to get student loans from the government to pay for their university tuition-DESPITE THE FACT THEY ARE ILLEGALS AND NOT EVEN IN THE SYSTEM.

Basically I am doing things properly and jumping through the hoops and contributing to the British economy, and the government makes it a pain in the ass for me to be here. other people just sneak in illegally and cheat the system and live here for free, while giving nothing back and the government is not doing shit about it. EU people come in from shitty countries like Romania and get a free house and free monthly paycheck for doing nothing and sitting on their ass.

This is how the world works. i don't know why more people don't care about this. It's just going to continue to be this way.

[UK2K]

Yes. it is absolute bullshit that the people who sneak in illegally are a higher priority to the US government and treated better than the people who follow the law and go through the bureaucratic process and apply for a visa and citizenship properly.

It is the same in the UK. I have a business here and have created jobs for British people (only 3 people, but a job is a job) but still I have to go through an extensive and expensive visa re-application process every year. I am not entitled to welfare benefits, nor do I seek them. Every year the UK tightens the laws and makes things harder for people who are not British or EU citizens but running businesses in the UK.




Meanwhile I meet a bunch of people at my university and around where I live who are not legal UK citizens. Every time I go to sell at a market stall I run in to more illegals who have been here for decades and skiving off the system. They have lived here illegally for 10+ years. They get free money from the job center every month and even managed to get student loans from the government to pay for their university tuition-DESPITE THE FACT THEY ARE ILLEGALS AND NOT EVEN IN THE SYSTEM.

Basically I am doing things properly and jumping through the hoops and contributing to the British economy, and the government makes it a pain in the ass for me to be here. other people just sneak in illegally and cheat the system and live here for free, while giving nothing back and the government is not doing shit about it. EU people come in from shitty countries like Romania and get a free house and free monthly paycheck for doing nothing and sitting on their ass.

This is how the world works. i don't know why more people don't care about this. It's just going to continue to be this way.

If it wasn't so easy to be illegal and live off the government for generations, people would stop doing it.

But the Democrats depend on Hispanics for votes, so it will never change.

Same with welfare though. Democrats depend on the votes of minorities, so it won't ever change either.

[Dresta]

there are like a hundred and twenty million people in Mexico. I don't know if we can pretend you just can't survive.....

Anyway... white former coworker of mine married her longtime Mexican boyfriend. they have kids together and are married now and they have still been spending years and thousands of dollars trying to get him citizenship. It was easier to just all move to Mexico together and try to come back after they had worked it out.

The whole process left her kind of bitter towards the people who come in illegally.
Exactly. Tis outrageous that getting even a Green Card is such an expensive pain in the arse for people to get, doing it the right and legal way, only for millions to be granted citizenship for having broken the law, and taken the easy path.

[NumberSix]

Exactly. Tis outrageous that getting even a Green Card is such an expensive pain in the arse for people to get, doing it the right and legal way, only for millions to be granted citizenship for having broken the law, and taken the easy path.
It's like automatically granting legal carrying rights to all the people with illegal guns while expecting everybody to go through background checks, training and licensing fees.

[Nick Young]

It's like incentivizing people to break the law, and then not penalizing them when they get caught.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I've been to Mexico 2 times every year since I was a baby up until my 16th year when my Mexican Grandmother died. Since being 16, I've been to Mexico sporadically. All in all, I've been to Mexico at least 50 times. You been?
Only twice, to my best friends Village in Central/Southern Mexico, couldn't tell you what the cities are like.

I'm gonna say Cartel member is a higher paying profession

But really, you tryna tell me oil and petrol engineers make less than teachers?

[UK2K]

Only twice, to my best friends Village in Central/Southern Mexico, couldn't tell you what the cities are like.

I'm gonna say Cartel member is a higher paying profession

But really, you tryna tell me oil and petrol engineers make less than teachers?

I see 'Academic Advisor' in the 70's.

http://www.salaryexplorer.com/best-paying-jobs.php?loc=139&loctype=1

[KyrieTheFuture]

I see 'Academic Advisor' in the 70's.

http://www.salaryexplorer.com/best-paying-jobs.php?loc=139&loctype=1
I wouldn't be surprised to see teachers having the lowerst salary variance, that would make sense