Pau Gasol is the MVP of the Bulls

[Lebronxrings]

tbh their best player.

[dubeta]

He's been the MVP of every team he's joined

[TaLvsCuaL]

16pts, 11rbs, 2blks per game, the old fella still can play :applause:

[ShaqTwizzle]

16 / 11 / 3-apg / 2.2-bpg in 31*mpg

Pretty impressive for a 35 year old guy in his 15th year.
Will remain forever underrated.

:applause:

[raprap]

Fmvp :applause: HOF :bowdown:

[Lebronxrings]

hes been their best player ever since he joined the team.

Butler can't create his shot and rose sucks. Pau gasol does everything for this team from leadership to main scorer, to rebounder, etc.

[outbreak]

but lakers fans told me he was done 4 years ago?

[SpaceJam]

Looking damn near K Love numbers :bowdown:

[beastee]

The family meltdown since rose is actually starting to play well...

[DMAVS41]

but lakers fans told me he was done 4 years ago?

Haha. So true...last couple years have not been a good look for Lakers fans claiming he was trash.

[JebronLames]

16pts, 11rbs, 2blks per game, the old fella still can play :applause:
Started slow. His numbers in December are 19/11/4 on 51% FG. :bowdown:

[Lebronxrings]

The family meltdown since rose is actually starting to play well...
if you think rose is more valuable than gasol... just stop posting

[ArbitraryWater]

but lakers fans told me he was done 4 years ago?

thats what I said.. Laker fans told me he was done in 2012? 2013?

[imdaman99]

He got his first playoff win without a certain Laker legend last year. Good for him :applause:

It helps that he went to the East. It's where washed up players go to dominate.

[beastee]

if you think rose is more valuable than gasol... just stop posting
Never said that. Gasol is a big part. But Rose is getting 20ppg on 47% shooting since the mask came off. You keep saying he sucks, but haven't been paying attention lately.

[Lebronxrings]

Never said that. Gasol is a big part. But Rose is getting 20ppg on 47% shooting since the mask came off. You keep saying he sucks, but haven't been paying attention lately.
i said gasols their best player.. no mention of rose in this thread. Lower your meltdown boy

[TheMarkMadsen]

He was playing out of position in 13/14 and beefing with Dantoni over play style.

Most of the "he's done" talk was due to his poor performances in the playoffs after 2010, he hasn't averaged more than 14 ppg in the playoffs since then. He beasted in the regular season last year and I think most people knew that a new team with a different style would help Pau have a good year. He's been much less efficient this year though

[Bandito]

No fan of the Lakers were saying Gasol was done. It was all the Kobe fans.

[beastee]

Gasol is very good. He is not their best player. That is Butler. Pau is a soft ass defender and unless he gets in rhythm in the first quarter, he doesn't make maximum impact. But whatever your lame ass agenda is...carry on with your alt family...

[Legends66NBA7]

No he isn't. Guy is going to fold in the playoffs again.

Jimmy had a bad game, but his teammates stepped up especially Rose, Snell, and rookie Portis. He's still a 20/5/4 threat with elite defense all year.

[Showtime2001]

Lol @ Gasol being the best player.

[nathanjizzle]

ive already said this, up until this point in the season, gasol has been the bulls best player. 2nd is rose and butler is 3rd. however, rose is shaping up and looks like he will take the number 1 spot again. In the last 3 games he sure has.

[ShaqTwizzle]

Guy is going to fold in the playoffs again.

Who says he folded last year?
I thought he was actually pretty good in the 2015 playoffs up until he got injured.


1st round (6 game series)

*Struggles with his scoring over the first 2 games (11-ppg)
However he also averages 14.5-rpg / 3.5-apg / 3.5-bpg as the Bulls win both games.


*******************************

Over the last 4 games he averaged 19 / 11 / 4-apg on 65%TS
He also averaged 1.8-bpg.

Bulls advance.
Pretty damn impressive series honestly.

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2nd round VS Cleveland

Starts out the series with a 21 / 10 / 4-ast / 4-blk game on 64%TS game.
Bulls win that game and start the series up 1-0.

Then he gets injured in G2 and is no longer relevant for the rest of the playoffs.
The injury is an unfortunate black mark but up until then he was having a pretty damn solid playoff run.


:confusedshrug:

[ballinhun8]

Portis has made one of our bigs expendable.


I wanna see a package of one of those guys with Snell for an upgrade at the wing position.

[DoctorP]

His resurgence is surprising to me. I thought dude was done at the end of his Lakers tenure.

[T_L_P]

I disagree with him being their best player because he's poor defensively and his style of offense this year is a tough blend for the other Bulls bigs (especially Noah who needs to be moving to be effective, and Pau isn't an especially willing passer), but any sort of "he's done" talk is and was stupid. D'Antoni was putting him in all of the wrong spots.

[Milbuck]

Pau is solid offensively but defensively he is complete garbage. I watched most of that Bulls Mavs game a couple days ago and Pau literally didn't give a shit defensively. Free layup after layup, dude got lit up like Utah Enes Kanter. Im happy he's still producing offensively but overall he's really nowhere near what his stats suggest. He's not even close to their best player imo.
ive already said this, up until this point in the season, gasol has been the bulls best player. 2nd is rose and butler is 3rd. however, rose is shaping up and looks like he will take the number 1 spot again. In the last 3 games he sure has.
Complete nonsense. Butler has been the Bulls' best player. You putting Rose above him for the year just goes to show you're not a true Bulls fan, but a Rose stan.

[nathanjizzle]

Complete nonsense. Butler has been the Bulls' best player. You putting Rose above him for the year just goes to show you're not a true Bulls fan, but a Rose stan.

butler, 50 percent win record when hes leading in scoring or assists, rose 8-3 leading in assists 2-2 in scoring, paus numbers were better aswell. and im not looking at stats, i watch the game and i know basketball and where the impact is. you just dont know dude.

[SpaceJam]

butler, 50 percent win record when hes leading in scoring or assists, rose 8-3 leading in assists 2-2 in scoring, paus numbers were better aswell. and im not looking at stats, i watch the game and i know basketball and where the impact is. you just dont know dude.

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Literally the stupidest logic I have heard

[ShaqTwizzle]

he's poor defensively

Why do you think that?

Gasol is basically tied for 2nd on his team in mpg with everyone else being nearly 10+ minutes below him and the Bulls are a Top 5 defensive team this year.

on/off stats also show that opposing teams have shot worse and have had a lower ORTG when he has been on the court.

Were he a poor defender I wouldn't expect such results.
I haven't followed Pau much this year but based on his rim-protection stats, some on-off stats and the success of the Bulls team defense relative to the league this year I have a hard time believing he has been a poor or even an average defender.

For those saying he has been bad defensively can you provide some actual evidence other then just cherry picked eye-test kinda stuff?

[nathanjizzle]

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Literally the stupidest logic I have heard

why is that? its not parallel to your conventional thinking?

[T_L_P]

butler, 50 percent win record when hes leading in scoring or assists, rose 8-3 leading in assists 2-2 in scoring, paus numbers were better aswell. and im not looking at stats, i watch the game and i know basketball and where the impact is. you just dont know dude.

What kind of logic is this? :facepalm

[BIG FURB]

Portis has made one of our bigs expendable.


I wanna see a package of one of those guys with Snell for an upgrade at the wing position.

Think the warriors would give up Barnes for Gibson, Snell and draft picks?

[nathanjizzle]

actually it makes perfect "logic"

whenever rose is the leading scorer for the team, or the leading assist player, the bulls have a higher chance of winning the game than average, above 65% chance. This goes for pau gasol to.

however, with butler, when hes taking most of the shots and scoring the most out of any player on the team, or making the most assists, the bulls are only winning 50 percent of the games.

he might be producing alot, but its more of empty stats and worst leadership than rose and pau's.

did i make it pretty simple to understand for you inbreds?:facepalm

[Lebronxrings]

can't believe this was kobes teammate

[ballinhun8]

Think the warriors would give up Barnes for Gibson, Snell and draft picks?



Don't know if we'd add draft picks to that deal. Isn't Barnes going to be a FA as well so not sure we would give more than those two guys for a rental.

But Harnes is an intriguing prospect. He and Butler on the wings. That could wreak havoc.

[The.Juice]

actually it makes perfect "logic"

whenever rose is the leading scorer for the team, or the leading assist player, the bulls have a higher chance of winning the game. This goes for pau gasol to.

however, with butler, when hes taking most of the shots and scoring the most out of any player on the team, or making the most assists, the bulls are only winning 50 percent of the games.

he might be producing alot, but its more of empty stats and worst leadership than rose and pau's.

did i make it pretty simple to understand for you inbreds?:facepalm

That's a logical fallacy. You use the event that when Jimmy Butler is the leading scorer or assister he is the reason why the teams record is 50% when he does that. You cannot provide that assumption because you do not have further information or context . So it's doesn't show correlation equals causation. Your logic in showing Rose is better is flawed and weak.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

I disagree with him being their best player because he's poor defensively and his style of offense this year is a tough blend for the other Bulls bigs (especially Noah who needs to be moving to be effective, and Pau isn't an especially willing passer), but any sort of "he's done" talk is and was stupid. D'Antoni was putting him in all of the wrong spots.
This.
nikkas always ignore Paus defense. Dude has cement for feet and his pickandroll coverage is terrible and killed alot of what made the Bulls team defense special. Ppl look at his blocked shots and hes not even an impactful rim protector even

then they point to those Memphis defenses and say he anchored it even tho it was their stacked perimeter defense which had Battier playing DPOY level defense along with other great perimeter defenders like Jones

Even on LA they had no true anchor on defense. It started with Lamars versatility allowing for them to do different things on defense, plus Kobe and Ariza or Metta on the wings

[imnew09]

True Lakers fan never claim Pau was done.

Fken Mike D' Antoni had Pau shooting 3s... fken D' Antoni :facepalm

[ShaqTwizzle]

This.
nikkas always ignore Paus defense.


Bulls are a Top 5 defensive team this year.

Gasol is tied for #2 in mpg on the team and plays nearly 10+ more minutes per game then any other big.

A sizable on/off sample (800 on / 500 off) shows that the Bulls have been worse defensively when Gasol is off the court.

But yeah Pau is a bad defender because "you say so" lol.

:facepalm

And Pau was a borderline elite defender during his Peak years (08-10) and a very good defender during his early Prime years.
Your agenda is obvious.

[SpaceJam]

Bulls are a Top 5 defensive team this year.

Gasol is tied for #2 in mpg on the team and plays nearly 10+ more minutes per game then any other big.

A sizable on/off sample (800 on / 500 off) shows that the Bulls have been worse defensively when Gasol is off the court.

But yeah Pau is a bad defender because "you say so" lol.

:facepalm

And Pau was a borderline elite defender during his Peak years (08-10) and a very good defender during his early Prime years.
Your agenda is obvious.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[ShaqTwizzle]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Shutup dummy.
Even in Pau's early years he was an excellent PnR/rotational defender thanks to his length, excellent mobility/quickness and high BBIQ.

He was also a great rim-protector.

His only weakness in his early years defensively was that he lacked some strength and so stronger guys could bully him at times.

From 08-10 he bulked up and became a great m2m defender and had basically zero weaknesses defensively during that time.

From frustrating Howard in the 09 Finals to Boozer and other bigs during those runs he displayed excellent m2m defense to go along with his normally elite rim-protection and his excellent PnR/rotational defense.

Pau was absolutely an elite defender from 08-10 and a very good defender before that.
He was by far the best defender on the 09/10 LAL squads and the most valuable/key component of their team defense.

[Pointguard]

Love his disdain for Lebron here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ZkVuQs-J0

[Milbuck]

Bulls are a Top 5 defensive team this year.

Gasol is tied for #2 in mpg on the team and plays nearly 10+ more minutes per game then any other big.

A sizable on/off sample (800 on / 500 off) shows that the Bulls have been worse defensively when Gasol is off the court.

But yeah Pau is a bad defender because "you say so" lol.

:facepalm

And Pau was a borderline elite defender during his Peak years (08-10) and a very good defender during his early Prime years.
Your agenda is obvious.This is horrible logic. You understand that the Bulls were elite defensively with Boozer getting big minutes right? Just because you play a decent amount on a good-great defensive team does NOT make you a good-great defensive player. It just means the team was able to hide your deficiencies. Silly that that has to be explained.

Maybe watch some Bulls games instead of pimping some dumb on/off stats to push your agenda. Pau has been garbage defensively for the Bulls. Hamtaro is spot on. He is laughably slow laterally, straight up doesn't care to position himself unless its a direct stationary contest at the rim (hence his block totals). He is a disaster on PnRs and quick guards light him up again and again and again.

[ShaqTwizzle]

Just because you play a decent amount on a good-great defensive team does NOT make you a good-great defensive player..

I understand that but the Bulls have been a very good defensive team, his on/off numbers have been good and he plays many more minutes then any other big on the team.

I could be wrong... but so far the only evidence from the detractors has been... nothing except just saying he is bad.
I would just like some evidence that is all.

I can respect your opinions which you base on the eye-test but that alone is not enough to truly convince me.