Cops get away with murder yet again

[Jameerthefear]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/29/us/tamir-rice-police-shootiing-cleveland.html?_r=1

:facepalm pigs gonna pig

[KyrieTheFuture]

My favorite part of that video is after he shoots the kid on the radio he says black male down, probably 20. Dude was 12, real close guy.

[TheMan]

Remember a couple of months ago when two cops killed a 6 year old boy in Louisiana?

Them dudes were arrested and booked, mugshots made public, and charged with murder so fast their heads are still spinning..

http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/jeremy-mardis-mugshots-attempted-murder-louisiana-marksville__oPt.jpg

Too bad for them the kid was white and they weren't.

America gon' 'Murrica :applause:

[Patrick Chewing]

I love how everyone wants to put blame on the cops, but where was his mother in all of this? How come he wasn't being supervised by an adult? Where was his father? LOL nevermind, we all know the answer to that.


Stupid kid was pointing a BB Gun at people. Cops have shot at people with BB guns before so let's not act like this kid was singled out. Cops are trained to diffuse the situation, and if they thought it was a real gun, then they are trained to put the threat down.

If my kid went out there pointing a BB gun at people in a public area, I'd shoot him myself.

[HitandRun Reggie]

The correct outcome. Now his mother(I'm guessing he had no involved father)should face charges for letting her son run around in public with what looks like a real gun. His mother is more responsible for her son's death than anyone.

[StephHamann]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI

https://49.media.tumblr.com/1da71177f7d367ce4c9b59d89f0b8e10/tumblr_n4fsllRtgE1qcga5ro1_500.gif

[UK2K]

Want to know what I see?

Kid pointing a gun (and yes, it was a fake gun, but to everyone else there, it was as real as you and me) at people.

http://s27.postimg.org/q4q5ybtir/image.jpg

The caller reports: "This guy keeps pulling it out of his pants"

So obviously, the police weren't the only ones who thought he could have been 16 or 17. At what age do you become a guy and not a kid? Obviously, nobody cared how old he was. Why would they?

Mistake #1

http://postimg.org/image/q3ohzjurf/

Should have never driven that close to the suspect, but, knowing how an officer is trained, as far as they know, there's a guy pointing a gun at people in the park. Their first instincts were to eliminate the shooter. Could they have walked up to him from across the park? They could have, and the suspect could have began spraying wildly into apartments too.

In the next frame, he's literally standing next to this officer's car with a gun in his hands, not 10 feet away. In the blink of an eye, the suspect could have put 8 rounds into the windshield and both of those officers could have been dead.

http://s22.postimg.org/3lez1gd0h/image.jpg
And nobody would have cared.

What is he doing in the above picture? Looks like hes pulling the gun from his waistband or his pocket. That's what the officer saw. The kid was taught **** the popo and snitches get stitches and thug life, and he's dead now because of it.

The police did as they were trained, and it was a good shoot. Clearly, the people's opinion that matters is the same as mine.

Tragic, but, dont point guns at cops.

[Jameerthefear]

Want to know what I see?

Kid pointing a gun (and yes, it was a fake gun, but to everyone else there, it was as real as you and me) at people.

http://s27.postimg.org/q4q5ybtir/image.jpg

The caller reports: "This guy keeps pulling it out of his pants"

So obviously, the police weren't the only ones who thought he could have been 16 or 17. At what age do you become a guy and not a kid? Obviously, nobody cared how old he was. Why would they?

Mistake #1

http://postimg.org/image/q3ohzjurf/

Should have never driven that close to the suspect, but, knowing how an officer is trained, as far as they know, there's a guy pointing a gun at people in the park. Their first instincts were to eliminate the shooter. Could they have walked up to him from across the park? They could have, and the suspect could have began spraying wildly into apartments too.

In the next frame, he's literally standing next to this officer's car with a gun in his hands, not 10 feet away. In the blink of an eye, the suspect could have put 8 rounds into the windshield and both of those officers could have been dead.

http://s22.postimg.org/3lez1gd0h/image.jpg
And nobody would have cared.

What is he doing in the above picture? Looks like hes pulling the gun from his waistband or his pocket. That's what the officer saw. The kid was taught **** the popo and snitches get stitches and thug life, and he's dead now because of it.

The police did as they were trained, and it was a good shoot. Clearly, the people's opinion that matters is the same as mine.

Tragic, but, dont point guns at cops.
>cop pulls up like some kind of driveby shooter
>gives 1 second to kid than shoots him
is this bait? this has to be bait

[Jameerthefear]

A rookie officer and a 10-15 year veteran pulled into the parking lot and saw a few people sitting underneath a pavilion next to the center. The rookie officer saw a black gun sitting on the table, and he saw the boy pick up the gun and put it in his waistband, Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association President Jeffrey Follmer said. The officer got out of the car and told the boy to put his hands up. The boy reached into his waistband, pulled out the gun and the rookie officer fired two shots, Tomba said.

this was the cop's first statement.
now go watch the video and see how made up that is. complete bullshit

[Jameerthefear]

The correct outcome. Now his mother(I'm guessing he had no involved father)should face charges for letting her son run around in public with what looks like a real gun. His mother is more responsible for her son's death than anyone.
very dumb pig above ^

[UK2K]

>cop pulls up like some kind of driveby shooter
>gives 1 second to kid than shoots him
is this bait? this has to be bait

You can clearly see him pulling the gun out of his waistband or pocket as the cruiser pulls up.

Question, if you had been the cop, and you saw a 'guy with a gun waving it around and pointing it at people', and you pull up and you see this guy pulling the gun from his pocket five feet from you, would you ask to see ID? As plain as day, you can see the kid pulling the gun out as the officers' car pulls up, not 5 feet away.

If so, you'd have died several times over as a cop. Good game. Hope your family is happy with your decision.

[JohnnySic]

Remember a couple of months ago when two cops killed a 6 year old boy in Louisiana?

Them dudes were arrested and booked, mugshots made public, and charged with murder so fast their heads are still spinning..

http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/jeremy-mardis-mugshots-attempted-murder-louisiana-marksville__oPt.jpg

Too bad for them the kid was white and they weren't.

America gon' 'Murrica :applause:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybvy_KOCtHI

[UK2K]

Remember a couple of months ago when two cops killed a 6 year old boy in Louisiana?

Them dudes were arrested and booked, mugshots made public, and charged with murder so fast their heads are still spinning..

http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/jeremy-mardis-mugshots-attempted-murder-louisiana-marksville__oPt.jpg

Too bad for them the kid was white and they weren't.

America gon' 'Murrica :applause:
Yeah, these two cases were remarkably similar :confusedshrug: ...


It's unclear why officers pursued or why shots were fired, since investigators say there were no outstanding warrants against the father, Chris Few, and that no firearm was found in his vehicle.

Jeremy Mardis, a first-grader, was hit by five bullets in the head and chest as the officers pursued his father's car, according to CNN affiliate WAFB. His father was hospitalized with gunshot wounds and was listed in critical condition.

"We took some of the body cam footage. I'm not gonna talk about it, but I'm gonna tell you this -- it is the most disturbing thing I've seen and I will leave it at that," State Police Col. Michael Edmonson said at a news conference late Friday. "That little boy was buckled into the front seat of that vehicle and that is how he died."

Kinda the same. Damn man, I appreciate the good back and forth on here from some posters, but trying to relate the two in any way makes you look ignorant.

Do we know why police were called to the scene of Rice's death? Cause he was pointing a gun at people, right? Do you know why police were even following the man in Louisiana? You don't, because they don't either.

[Jameerthefear]

You can clearly see him pulling the gun out of his waistband or pocket as the cruiser pulls up.

Question, if you had been the cop, and you saw a 'guy with a gun waving it around and pointing it at people', and you pull up and you see this guy pulling the gun from his pocket five feet from you, would you ask to see ID? As plain as day, you can see the kid pulling the gun out as the officers' car pulls up, not 5 feet away.

If so, you'd have died several times over as a cop. Good game. Hope your family is happy with your decision.
did you watch the video? they pull up like they're doing a driveby, maybe tell him to drop the gun once (maybe he takes it out of his waistband to throw it away, he's 12) and then immediately shoot him. that's not cop protocol and it's bullshit he got away with it. then the department lies in the initial statement before the video goes out

[TommyGriffin]

Whenever the cops pull up on me, I always reach for something in my waistband.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Yo wut da fug? Dat lil ni99a din do nuffin an dat b1tch pig kilt him fo no reazun. Dey juz jeluz uv dat BBC. Blake lifes madder

[UK2K]

did you watch the video? they pull up like they're doing a driveby, maybe tell him to drop the gun once (maybe he takes it out of his waistband to throw it away, he's 12) and then immediately shoot him. that's not cop protocol and it's bullshit he got away with it. then the department lies in the initial statement before the video goes out

Your opinion is irrelevant, you're dead. You died six weeks in on the job when someone pulled a gun out on you and you told them to drop it instead of firing.

Your family is grieving right now. I feel for them.

[UK2K]

Whenever the cops pull up on me, I always reach for something in my waistband.

First thing I do too.

Flashing blue lights? Yep, start stuffing shit in my pants so that way I can pull it out and point it at them real fast when they get near me. 60% of the time it works, every time.

[Jameerthefear]

Your opinion is irrelevant, you're dead. You died six weeks in on the job when someone pulled a gun out on you and you told them to drop it instead of firing.

Your family is grieving right now. I feel for them.
okay keep excusing cops for not properly doing their job

[TripleA]

In a memo to Independence's human resources manager, released by the city in the aftermath of the shooting, Independence deputy police chief Jim Polak wrote that Loehmann had resigned rather than face certain termination due to concerns that he lacked the emotional stability to be a police officer. Polak said that Loehmann was unable to follow "basic functions as instructed". He specifically cited a "dangerous loss of composure" that occurred in a weapons training exercise, during which Loehmann's weapons handling was "dismal" and he became visibly "distracted and weepy" as a result of relationship problems. The memo concluded, "Individually, these events would not be considered major situations, but when taken together they show a pattern of a lack of maturity, indiscretion and not following instructions, I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies." It was subsequently revealed that Cleveland police officials never reviewed Loehmann's personnel file from Independence prior to hiring him.

Looks like this guy wasn't fit to be a cop.

[UK2K]

okay keep excusing cops for not properly doing their job

What part of their job did they not do properly? The only issue I saw with their behavior was driving so close to a suspect with a gun. They should have approached from a distance, but as I said, doing so without backup could lead to a shootout in the middle of a park.

Yes they could have called for back up, and maybe the suspect gets tired of terrorizing the park and decides to go into a shopping center? Or a grocery store? Then what?

The officers first thoughts when responding to a call of 'GUY WITH A GUN WAVING IT AT PEOPLE' is eliminate the threat. They felt that aggressive pursuit was the quickest way to eliminate the threat (and thus, mitigating civilian casualties), which turns out, it was.

They pulled up, the guy with the gun (Im going to keep repeating it, because that's how the kid was described) pulled it on them from 5 feet away. That's it, and that's all. If you're telling me you wouldn't have shot, you're a damn liar, or you'd be dead also and thus, would never be cut out for police work.

It's a dirty job. Sometimes people make mistakes. I second guessed myself many times in Afghanistan, knowing if I made one wrong decision, I'd be going to the brig or my friends could end up dead, but that's why its a volunteer thing. They take only those willing to make those decisions.

So, you're a liar, or you were killed 6 weeks into the job as well. Take your pick.

The cops made the right call in this case. The end.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I don't think anyone was surprised it was the rookie cop, not the veteran

[Patrick Chewing]

There's two types of people in this world:

1. People who know what they're talking about

And

2. People who don't know what they're talking about



This is the actual gun that he was holding in his hand

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2132916!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/cleveland-police-shoot-boy.jpg


As a gun enthusiast, I can tell you that this is almost an exact replica of what is probably the most popular handgun across the globe, the 1911.

You internet lawyers still want to take this kid's side??

[TommyGriffin]

First thing I do too.

Flashing blue lights? Yep, start stuffing shit in my pants so that way I can pull it out and point it at them real fast when they get near me. 60% of the time it works, every time.
:oldlol:

[KyrieTheFuture]

Can anyone explain why BB guns are legal?

[Jameerthefear]

Looks like this guy wasn't fit to be a cop.
pretty much anyone who doesnt have autism can see that

[Patrick Chewing]

Can anyone explain why BB guns are legal?


Really? Cause they are non-lethal weapons. You get worse injuries with paintball guns.

[verylegit]

There's two types of people in this world:

1. People who know what they're talking about

And

2. People who don't know what they're talking about



This is the actual gun that he was holding in his hand

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2132916!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/cleveland-police-shoot-boy.jpg


As a gun enthusiast, I can tell you that this is almost an exact replica of what is probably the most popular handgun across the globe, the 1911.

You internet lawyers still want to take this kid's side??
Do you open carry or do you always carry it shoved up your ass?

[NumberSix]

This is the actual gun that he was holding in his hand

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2132916!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/cleveland-police-shoot-boy.jpg

Obviously a fake. It might as well be bright orange with a red "KABOOM!" Flag sticking out of it. Only a racist would pretend it looks real.

[UK2K]

Obviously a fake. It might as well be bright orange with a red "KABOOM!" Flag sticking out of it. Only a racist would pretend it looks real.
Court documents show he was warned about it looking so real.

Even had veteran officer's trying to tell them apart.

Kid was dumb, but the parents are to blame.

Guess the thug life wasn't so cool after all? **** the po-lice, right?

[KyrieTheFuture]

Really? Cause they are non-lethal weapons. You get worse injuries with paintball guns.
Then why are they allowed to look identical to guns? This isn't the first time this kinda thing has happened. Paintball guns look nothing like a real gun

[UK2K]

Then why are they allowed to look identical to guns? This isn't the first time this kinda thing has happened. Paintball guns look nothing like a real gun

To be fair, you could make a non-gun look like a real gun too.

If you rob a bank with a not-a-gun that looks like a real gun, you're getting charged with armed robbery too. It's as simple as that.

If you rob a gas station with a BB gun that looks like a real gun, and get caught, you will be charged as if it were a real gun.

[Patrick Chewing]

Do you open carry or do you always carry it shoved up your ass?


Yo mom's stank cooch sounds better. Ain't no one gonna be looking for it in there... :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

Then why are they allowed to look identical to guns? This isn't the first time this kinda thing has happened. Paintball guns look nothing like a real gun


I agree with you. BB guns should not be made to look like real guns. But I just want people to understand that from a cop's perspective, unless you know already that it's a BB gun, you only have seconds to make a critical decision whether or not to put the suspect down. For all intents and purposes, that gun is a 1911. It even has the number "1911" written on it.

I think BB guns should be colored in bright pink or bright green colors. That way no punk kid will get their hands on them for fear of being labeled a fruitcake.

[UK2K]

I agree with you. BB guns should not be made to look like real guns. But I just want people to understand that from a cop's perspective, unless you know already that it's a BB gun, you only have seconds to make a critical decision whether or not to put the suspect down. For all intents and purposes, that gun is a 1911. It even has the number "1911" written on it.

I think BB guns should be colored in bright pink or bright green colors. That way no punk kid will get their hands on them for fear of being labeled a fruitcake.

Per the law, that is a real gun when used in this instance.

That's all that matters.

[KyrieTheFuture]

To be fair, you could make a non-gun look like a real gun too.

If you rob a bank with a not-a-gun that looks like a real gun, you're getting charged with armed robbery too. It's as simple as that.

If you rob a gas station with a BB gun that looks like a real gun, and get caught, you will be charged as if it were a real gun.
Yea but individuals do that, companies are designing toys to look like real guns, that's not a good idea. This wouldn't have happened if it didn't look so real.

I don't think the cop should go to jail, but he shouldn't be allowed back in the field probably. Desk job time, or working the cage.

[Smoke117]

Nice...a future banger put down before he can become a real bane on civilized society.

[oh the horror]

Apparently the officer that shot this boy wasn't exactly the top of the line.


http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/01/cuyahoga_county_sheriffs_depar_1.html



Was he at least fired from his position? Because he doesn't seem like someone that can handle pressure situations.

[97 bulls]

Here's the point you guys continue to sorely miss. THE POLICE ONLY BEHAVE THIS WAY TO BLACKS

[UK2K]

[QUOTE=97 bulls]Here's the point you guys continue to sorely miss. THE POLICE ONLY BEHAVE THIS WAY TO BLACKS

[97 bulls]

No, we get it.
No. You don't. And you flippant attitude says a lot about the type of person you are.

[97 bulls]

And just to show you guys what I mean, here's actual video proof of how much leeway police give white guys when they are in a similar position

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.10news.com/news/san-diego-police-respond-to-possibly-armed-man-in-mission-bay&ved=0ahUKEwilmduFqILKAhUT8mMKHQIyB8EQtwIIITAB&usg=AFQjCNE_0jDhpBRyxmy3atwTV2XXbKGBJg&sig2=HQ9S-ismH4-R0Kc0cwBetw

https://youtu.be/GQwlfXdDDYA

Here's two damming examples of how patient the police can be with white men.

Here's an experiment done in Oregon where it imes legal to carry an firearm and how a white man and black man get treated in the exact same circumstance.

http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/android/video.php?v=wshhG7vHocp13hoCwJrJ

I also must acknowledge that the people involved in conducting this experiment were white and black.

[Patrick Chewing]

[QUOTE=97 bulls]Here's the point you guys continue to sorely miss. THE POLICE ONLY BEHAVE THIS WAY TO BLACKS

[Patrick Chewing]

https://youtu.be/GQwlfXdDDYA




Why are you trying to deceive the public? You post a video of some old man shouldering a gun? Was he pointing it at anyone?? Nope.

However, the black kid was. How do you not understand the difference? You point a gun, whether it be a real one or a fake one at people or at police and your ass is going to get a bullet. So ****ing simple to understand yet there's people like you running around the country hootin' and hollerin' for no good reason.

[97 bulls]

Why are you trying to deceive the public? You post a video of some old man shouldering a gun? Was he pointing it at anyone?? Nope.

However, the black kid was. How do you not understand the difference? You point a gun, whether it be a real one or a fake one at people or at police and your ass is going to get a bullet. So ****ing simple to understand yet there's people like you running around the country hootin' and hollerin' for no good reason.
I posted Three videos so far. Why not respond to the others? Why did the black kid in Walmart get killed? He wasn't pointing a gun at anyone? I can send that video as well if you haven't seen it

[TommyGriffin]

Tamir Rice was mistaken for an older assailant because he was 5' 7'' and 195 pounds at the time of his death. He did not look like a 12 year old kid. Don't reach and the Cops wont teach.

[97 bulls]

Tamir Rice was mistaken for an older assailant because he was 5' 7'' and 195 pounds at the time of his death. He did not look like a 12 year old kid. Don't reach and the Cops wont teach.
The problem is that these type of circumstances aren't consistent

[oh the horror]

Another article with a bit more detail about the officer involved with the shooting. He seems sketchy. Seems his superiors didn't think much of his abilities. Yet he ended up getting a job anyway



http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/cleveland_police_officer_who_s.html

[oh the horror]

There are two things that happened here IMO.


That little boy made a mistake as 12 year olds do. His height and appearance are irrelevant. Stop trying to justify the fact that the officer was, and it would seem HIGHLY likely not qualified to handle situations like this.



Kid probably shows the toy gun, officer panics. Doesn't give a chance for anything to happen before he's opening fire.



Is it a bad thing to just admit that he should PROBABLY not be a police officer?

[Patrick Chewing]

I posted Three videos so far. Why not respond to the others? Why did the black kid in Walmart get killed? He wasn't pointing a gun at anyone? I can send that video as well if you haven't seen it


I don't care about those other cases or videos. We are discussing this case and how this cop should not be blamed. A grand jury of his peers agreed with that as well. There is nothing more to this case to discuss. I'm sure the cop feels awful about this too.

[AceManIII]

I would correct you and tell you that there is a blatant media bias out there. There are plenty of non-Blacks being killed by police and JUSTLY so. You just don't hear about it because it is not getting the attention a Black person killed by a White person gets.


When a drunk driver hits a tree and kills themselves, do we put the blame on the tree? No. We are victims of our own desires and actions. The true victims here though are the public. We are made to believe there's a "race war" out there lol.

Speaking of drunk driver...look up Ethan Couch...

Do you honestly believe there is no such thing as white privilege??? This "race war" is just incidents that black people have endured for decades and are getting more exposure.

[dkmwise]

Speaking of drunk driver...look up Ethan Couch...

Do you honestly believe there is no such thing as white privilege??? This "race war" is just incidents that black people have endured for decades and are getting more exposure.

"Police in Burlington, Vt., shot and killed a mentally ill man last week after his mother called the police to report that he was agitated and destroying property. About two minutes after the officer arrived at the home, he shot and killed 29-year-old Wayne Brunette. Police said he was wielding a shovel in a threatening way, according to Seven Days, a Vermont news outlet."

This guy just had a shovel and was shot and killed by police a few years ago, they were not indicted. Never made any news because the guy who got shot was just a white dude. Happens all the time throughout rural America.

[dkmwise]

I think these Officers could have handled this situation much better from the start, driving up so fast right next to the kid seems like a very bad idea, especially if he does have a real gun. But that does not mean they should go to jail for murder. Having an imperfect plan of action is not the same as murder. This case should hardly be the one used to show some type of greater injustice in the country. This kid was pulling out what appears to be a real gun and pointing it at people's heads as they walked by, in an area where police officers had previously been shot. Then when police pull up he grabs the gun from his waistband. Poor choice after poor choice. Now it really is a shame since he was only 12, all kids make dumb decisions, not saying he deserved to die, but if you're an officer you can't wait for someone to fire at you before you decide to fire back, it's a little late at that point. And as others have said, why are companies allowed to make BB guns look so real. I'm 100% for gun rights, but there is nothing in the constitution guaranteeing us the right to fake guns.

[97 bulls]

I don't care about those other cases or videos. We are discussing this case and how this cop should not be blamed. A grand jury of his peers agreed with that as well. There is nothing more to this case to discuss. I'm sure the cop feels awful about this too.
Go ahead and stick your head in the sand. The fact is that that kid should be alive right now.

[Patrick Chewing]

The fact is that that kid should be alive right now.


You're right. He should. If he had responsible parents.

[97 bulls]

You're right. He should. If he had responsible parents.
Lol. Sure. His parents are to blame as well as the bb gun maker for making such a real looking gun. His mother's only fault was assuming that people would treat her son like like a human being.

Why are you acting like this kid broke broke a law???? If the police didn't go in kamakaze style, thus kid would be alive. All I'm saying is why can't the police use discernment in situations like these.

[97 bulls]

"Police in Burlington, Vt., shot and killed a mentally ill man last week after his mother called the police to report that he was agitated and destroying property. About two minutes after the officer arrived at the home, he shot and killed 29-year-old Wayne Brunette. Police said he was wielding a shovel in a threatening way, according to Seven Days, a Vermont news outlet."

This guy just had a shovel and was shot and killed by police a few years ago, they were not indicted. Never made any news because the guy who got shot was just a white dude. Happens all the time throughout rural America.
Sorry DK. Bad example. That man was not innocent first of all. He had two prior run in with the police in which he assaulted on person and they found a bomb in his closet in the other. And two minutes is a hell of a lot more time to defuse and discern a situation than the two seconds.

[Patrick Chewing]

Lol. Sure. His parents are to blame as well as the bb gun maker for making such a real looking gun. His mother's only fault was assuming that people would treat her son like like a human being.

Why are you acting like this kid broke broke a law???? If the police didn't go in kamakaze style, thus kid would be alive. All I'm saying is why can't the police use discernment in situations like these.


Oh God my eyes are bleeding at your insane defense of this kid solely because he's black. Please don't reproduce.

[KNOW1EDGE]

A parent is responsible for a child until that child is 18, the mother and lack of a father shoulder a large chunk of the "blame", as do the boy for his poor judgement, and the officer for his even worse judgement. Everyone involved dropped the ball and now an innocent kid lost his life. Legally the officer was justified, but he sounds like a person I wouldn't want serving my local community.

[Patrick Chewing]

Why are you acting like this kid broke broke a law????


Pointing a BB gun at people and firing it is against the law.

Do you know what a BB is? It is a small circular steel projectile that is fired via compressed gas being released to send the BB on its way.


Like I said before in this thread, there are two types of people in this world. Those that know what they're talking about, and those that don't. Where do you fit in?

[NumberSix]

I posted Three videos so far. Why not respond to the others? Why did the black kid in Walmart get killed? He wasn't pointing a gun at anyone? I can send that video as well if you haven't seen it
This year 26 people who had toy guns were killed by police. 3 of those 26 people were black. 19 were white. Guess which ones got media coverage and which ones didn't?

[PleezeBelieve]

Why would a 12 year old pull a fake gun on a cop??

Because the cop told him too.

Five pages of bullshit. Typical for this place.

[PleezeBelieve]

South Caroline State trooper shoots black man for doing EXACTLY what he asked him to do

https://youtu.be/LaaeXIg9kSk

If there were no audio and video in this case, and the guy died, the trooper would have lied as well. Saying he felt in fear of his life blah blah blah

You dudes are f*cking idiots.

[dkmwise]

Sorry DK. Bad example. That man was not innocent first of all. He had two prior run in with the police in which he assaulted on person and they found a bomb in his closet in the other. And two minutes is a hell of a lot more time to defuse and discern a situation than the two seconds.

First off, I'm not saying the officers were wrong here. Secondly what does a bomb in his closet that police had no knowledge of have to do with their decision to kill him. And third, since when in these situations are we allowed to bring up a previous criminal arrest that has nothing to do with the current situation.

I'm not saying he was innocent or not. He also had mental health issues.

But a shovel is not as lethal or imminent a threat as a handgun

[97 bulls]

This year 26 people who had toy guns were killed by police. 3 of those 26 people were black. 19 were white. Guess which ones got media coverage and which ones didn't?
First. I'm not blaming the officer for shooting the kid thinking he had a gun. I blame them for not taking the time to even discern the situation. For the way they handled it. And I believe they did that cuz he was black.

Second. I'd like to know the circumstances under which the people that had fak guns were killed.

[Nanners]

First. I'm not blaming the officer for shooting the kid thinking he had a gun. I blame them for not taking the time to even discern the situation. For the way they handled it. And I believe they did that cuz he was black.

Second. I'd like to know the circumstances under which the people that had fak guns were killed.

yep.

pretty sure that when cops suspect someone has a gun, they arent supposed to just roll up and assassinate them.

[dkmwise]

yep.

pretty sure that when cops suspect someone has a gun, they arent supposed to just roll up and assassinate them.


I find it quite bizarre how they did roll up there. There seemed to be no one else around so no one else was in immediate danger, why drive up so fast on him. Again, if you think it's a real gun, driving up like that he would have a chance to shoot into the police car before they could do anything. I don't think this means they were out to 'assassinate' him, just seems like a very poor decision.

[Patrick Chewing]

First. I'm not blaming the officer for shooting the kid thinking he had a gun. I blame them for not taking the time to even discern the situation. For the way they handled it. And I believe they did that cuz he was black.


If someone is brandishing a weapon and pointing it at people, there is no "time to discern the situation". Any cop will tell you this. It's part of training. You don't wait till the perp shoots you first before you shoot them. You don't wait to make sure those are real bullets being fired at you before you fire back. That's just common sense which a lot of you lack apparently.

You're entitled to your opinion, but please stop making this about race. There isn't a race war out there. You're doing more bad than good by spewing nonsense like that.

[97 bulls]

First off, I'm not saying the officers were wrong here. Secondly what does a bomb in his closet that police had no knowledge of have to do with their decision to kill him.
What???? They found a bomb during another investigation.


And third, since when in these situations are we allowed to bring up a previous criminal arrest that has nothing to do with the current situation.
Lol. Who said we couldn't? It seems to me the police had a history A VIOLENT HISTORY with this man. And still gave him two minutes to stand down.


I'm not saying he was innocent or not.
That's not the point. The point is the police gave him a chance to stand down.


He also had mental health issues.
Not relevant. If he's comming at the police he's basically signing his death certificate.


But a shovel is not as lethal or imminent a threat as a handgun
Right. BUT THE GUN WASN'T REAL

[Patrick Chewing]

[QUOTE=97 bulls]

Right. BUT THE GUN WASN'T REAL

[verylegit]

Man you are dense as hell.

This is a picture of the gun! It looks like a real gun! The 1911 made by almost every handgun manufacturer in the planet!

http://gotnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Tamirs-Gun.jpg


In what world can you honestly say that they didn't give this kid the opportunity?? If someone is pointing that gun at me or pointing it at other people, I would expect the police to take him out immediately.

You honestly think we live in a world where cops ask: "Hey kid, is that real gun??"
How do you know the cop didnt take the orange tip off???

[dkmwise]

[QUOTE=97 bulls]

Right. BUT THE GUN WASN'T REAL

[Patrick Chewing]

"Uhh dispatch, I see the perpetrator with the gun and he's pointing it at us right now. I don't want to be labeled incorrectly by some dipshit on Insidehoops, so I'm gonna go in for a closer look to see if the gun is real. Standby."

[Jameerthefear]

"Uhh dispatch, I see the perpetrator with the gun and he's pointing it at us right now. I don't want to be labeled incorrectly by some dipshit on Insidehoops, so I'm gonna go in for a closer look to see if the gun is real. Standby."
nice meme
he didnt point it at him. they rolled up, gave him a second, then shot him. they even lied about it.

[dkmwise]

What's unfortunate is that if these communities think they have poor policing now, just wait 10-20 years, they are going to have the bottom of the barrel officers because everyone is going to be afraid to work at these departments for fear of ever having to pull their gun and then go to jail for it

[dkmwise]

nice meme
he didnt point it at him. they rolled up, gave him a second, then shot him. they even lied about it.

They did lie in the reports it seems, and should probably get fired over that, but can still claim legit self defense when kid has what appears to be a real gun and had just been pointing it at people.

Everyone can be wrong here

[97 bulls]

If someone is brandishing a weapon and pointing it at people, there is no "time to discern the situation". Any cop will tell you this. It's part of training. You don't wait till the perp shoots you first before you shoot them. You don't wait to make sure those are real bullets being fired at you before you fire back. That's just common sense which a lot of you lack apparently.

You're entitled to your opinion, but please stop making this about race. There isn't a race war out there. You're doing more bad than good by spewing nonsense like that.
I showed you multiple videos where a white man has brandished a weapon and at the most the police gave the man time to stand down. And I'm sure if you had a scenario where a white man is shot without ample warning to stand down you would've been shown it.

[KNOW1EDGE]

The kid is a dumbfuhck for parading around with a fake gun like that and reaching for it when the police showed up.

The kids mom is worthless because her son is at a park with a fake gun getting shot by the police.

The officer is an idiot because he fired his weapon before he even assessed the situation. Which resulted in the unnecessary death of a child.

Everyone involved is dumb as fuhck. Why is that so hard for ISH to accept? Why can't everyone involved be responsible for their own actions?

[97 bulls]

What's unfortunate is that if these communities think they have poor policing now, just wait 10-20 years, they are going to have the bottom of the barrel officers because everyone is going to be afraid to work at these departments for fear of ever having to pull their gun and then go to jail for it
I don't see why. They never do go to jail

[oh the horror]

What's unfortunate is that if these communities think they have poor policing now, just wait 10-20 years, they are going to have the bottom of the barrel officers because everyone is going to be afraid to work at these departments for fear of ever having to pull their gun and then go to jail for it




That's horseshit. Demanding police officers do their jobs correctly shouldn't make them "afraid" to police properly. There's some perfectly capable police officers out there that never have these issues.



Why do people ignore this simple fact, that we aren't saying their jobs aren't tough.

We aren't saying they SHOULDNT do their jobs. What the people want is for these officers not to get off without ANY punishments when they DO make these grave mistakes.



Does anyone remember the Kelly Thomas case where the officers beat this man to death and they got off completely free of any charges? Sure they lost their jobs but they did this to this man


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/horrorm0nez/4D744BA7-8566-4F3E-9D5E-17ECF0C53A40.jpg



And none of them served any time.



We want action taken against police officers when they commit mistakes, corruption, criminal acts and violence against citizens.

[longtime lurker]

Yawn not even gonna bother. Same racists dipshits saying the same shit over again. Crazy how far people go to justify the murder of a child.

[UK2K]

This year 26 people who had toy guns were killed by police. 3 of those 26 people were black. 19 were white. Guess which ones got media coverage and which ones didn't?
:eek:

[UK2K]

Lol. Sure. His parents are to blame as well as the bb gun maker for making such a real looking gun. His mother's only fault was assuming that people would treat her son like like a human being.

Why are you acting like this kid broke broke a law???? If the police didn't go in kamakaze style, thus kid would be alive. All I'm saying is why can't the police use discernment in situations like these.
He was treated like any human being would be treated if said human being removed the plastic tip from a toy gun and began pointing it in people's face.

[UK2K]

yep.

pretty sure that when cops suspect someone has a gun, they arent supposed to just roll up and assassinate them.
Well, most of the time, when people are doing something (like pointing guns at people) and the cops show up, they freeze. You know, hands up, on the ground, that sort of thing?

You know what the typical response is from people who don't want to surrender? Pull the gun out again.

The kid is dead because his parents are dumb, and he was taught **** the po-lice at a young age. Shocker.

[97 bulls]

He was treated like any human being would be treated if said human being removed the plastic tip from a toy gun and began pointing it in people's face.
Then how do you explain the videos I sent you.

[97 bulls]

And like a poster stated earlied, he went to get his gun because the police officer told him to.

[97 bulls]

They did lie in the reports it seems, and should probably get fired over that, but can still claim legit self defense when kid has what appears to be a real gun and had just been pointing it at people.

Everyone can be wrong here
Why didn't he shoot anyone

[UK2K]

Then how do you explain the videos I sent you.

I didn't even watch them, cause its easy to cherry pick examples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQTEjW3qxuY

Unarmed white guy, shot by police from 5 feet away. Am I out protesting, or robbing Jordan's, or burning down my local liquor barn?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4b7DIM3NJI

Another unarmed white kid killed by police.

Wasn't there a kid killed in Ohio recently over some marijuana? Yeah, there was.

Quit ****ing crying. Far more whites are killed than blacks by police every year, despite whites (proportionally) being responsible for less crime.

I don't hear you crying for whitey?

The truth is, if both of these cops had been black, you wouldn't give a shit. If the kid had been white, you wouldn't give a shit. You only give a shit because its a white man killing a black kid, evidence and circumstances be damned, because you think a black man can NEVER do wrong. I've got news for you, you do stupid shit like point guns at cops, you're going to be killed for it.

Now if you want to bitch about departmental policy, and how cops should have to allow suspects to take the first shot, more power to you, because that's the only way you're going to be able to say these cops did anything wrong.

You only care cause its a racial issue. If you cared about violence, you'd scream for the violence in Chicago to stop. If you cared about police violence, you'd care about the whites who are killed with far more regularity than blacks.

But you don't, cause you're a piece of shit who only wants to be able to use this weak example as a way to pound your chest and say 'see, its not my fault Im worthless, I'm treated differently'.

You're garb. And you've been served. So **** off. You racist piece of shit.

[UK2K]

And like a poster stated earlied, he went to get his gun because the police officer told him to.

:lol :lol

Keep making up stories of what you think happened.

[mehyaM24]

I didn't even watch them, cause its easy to cherry pick examples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQTEjW3qxuY

Unarmed white guy, shot by police from 5 feet away. Am I out protesting, or robbing Jordan's, or burning down my local liquor barn?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4b7DIM3NJI

Another unarmed white kid killed by police.

Wasn't there a kid killed in Ohio recently over some marijuana? Yeah, there was.

Quit ****ing crying. Far more whites are killed than blacks by police every year, despite whites (proportionally) being responsible for less crime.

I don't hear you crying for whitey?

The truth is, if both of these cops had been black, you wouldn't give a shit. If the kid had been white, you wouldn't give a shit. You only give a shit because its a white man killing a black kid, evidence and circumstances be damned, because you think a black man can NEVER do wrong. I've got news for you, you do stupid shit like point guns at cops, you're going to be killed for it.

Now if you want to bitch about departmental policy, and how cops should have to allow suspects to take the first shot, more power to you, because that's the only way you're going to be able to say these cops did anything wrong.

You only care cause its a racial issue. If you cared about violence, you'd scream for the violence in Chicago to stop. If you cared about police violence, you'd care about the whites who are killed with far more regularity than blacks.

But you don't, cause you're a piece of shit who only wants to be able to use this weak example as a way to pound your chest and say 'see, its not my fault Im worthless, I'm treated differently'.

You're garb. And you've been served. So **** off. You racist piece of shit.

i think you went a little overboard with the character defamation, but your general point (the stuff i bolded) is 100% dead on.

[oh the horror]

When someone's pointing a gun at an officer there's no way to discern the situation.




Yet, there are numerous examples of superior police officers doing just that. Longtime Lurker posted one example in another thread. There's more than that.



How can you not even cop to the fact that this officer made a f*cking mistake at the very least? Jesus Christ :facepalm




They've already released info that this particular cop wasn't exactly cream of the crop in terms of his abilities and had trouble finding work as a cop. What more do you need?

[UK2K]

i think you went a little overboard with the character defamation, but your general point (the stuff i bolded) is 100% dead on.

I did, and I apologize.

But I can't stand people who see things as black and white.

Cops shouldn't have driven up like that, but regardless, the kid was waving his gun at people and pulling it out as the officers showed up. That's why he's dead. It's not a racial thing, its a 'you pointed a gun at people' thing. If I had a gun, waving it around in people's face at a park, and when the responding officers pulled up, had I pulled it out right in front of them, I'd be dead too.

That's all there is to it.

[Jameerthefear]

When someone's pointing a gun at an officer there's no way to discern the situation.




Yet, there are numerous examples of superior police officers doing just that. Longtime Lurker posted one example in another thread. There's more than that.



How can you not even cop to the fact that this officer made a f*cking mistake at the very least? Jesus Christ :facepalm




They've already released info that this particular cop wasn't exactly cream of the crop in terms of his abilities and had trouble finding work as a cop. What more do you need?
it takes true autism to think coming within door slapping distance of a supposedly dangerous shooter and gunning him down in 1 second is proper police action. or maybe it is to a pig. who knows

[UK2K]

They've already released info that this particular cop wasn't exactly cream of the crop in terms of his abilities and had trouble finding work as a cop. What more do you need?

And regarding that, there are lots of people where I work that aren't exactly rocket scientists either, but they aren't fired for it.

You want better cops, but you want cops to not be able to police properly. You can't have them both, because the more of this shit we see, the more good cops won't want the job.

Even discussing me being a cop just the other day, I told my girlfriend that I couldn't do it, because I couldn't stand to make a decision (right or wrong) in a split second situation, and then have someone 6 weeks later look at a 10 second clip and determine I am guilty of murder. That's horseshit, and you'll see it happen more and more as the (misguided) complaints keep piling up. The good officers won't want to deal with that, and they won't be willing to put their lives on the line every single day, knowing that if they make one wrong decision in the heat of the moment, they could be going to jail for life.

As I said, I made the same choices while deployed, lots of times daily, sometimes I may make a dozen choices during a 4 hour firefight that could have landed me in the brig had I been wrong. Or even worse, friends of mine could have been killed had I been wrong.

It's the people who have no law enforcement experience, that watch a little clip, and then all of a sudden they become experts on the situation, that really piss me off.

Not only do they look stupid, it irks me that there are real life people who believe some of the shit they write.

[97 bulls]

Here are a few quotes from Y2K2 that I'm gonna break down.



Should have never driven that close to the suspect, but, knowing how an officer is trained, as far as they know, there's a guy pointing a gun at people in the park. Their first instincts were to eliminate the shooter. Could they have walked up to him from across the park? They could have, and the suspect could have began spraying wildly into apartments too.*
Lol at the bold. If what the officers did is normal protocol. Why don't they always do that? In fact, as has been pointed out time qnd again, they almost exclusively only have quick triggers when blacks are involved. Just today a thread has been made showing how the police act in these situtaions. A woman (white) is waving act gun AT THE POLICE IN A POLICE STATION. and they don't shoot her. Why??? Was she not a threat?


The officers first thoughts when responding to a call of 'GUY WITH A GUN WAVING IT AT PEOPLE' is eliminate the threat. They felt that aggressive pursuit was the quickest way to eliminate the threat (and thus, mitigating civilian casualties), which turns out, it was.*
He was not atctt threat. One man made a call. If people really perceived him as acs threat, everyone with a cell phone would've call the police. And more than one cruiser would've responded. They weren't going to eliminate a threat,they were supposed to be going to investigate investigate possible threat. You're acting as if he was an active shooter.

[NumberSix]

Lol at the bold. If what the officers did is normal protocol. Why don't they always do that? In fact, as has been pointed out time qnd again,
Because cops aren't a model of robot that all have the same operating system. Each cop is an entirely different person than the next one. Some are better than others, some have different temperaments. Asking why different cops react differently is like asking why do different NBA players have different abilities and results.



they almost exclusively only have quick triggers when blacks are involved. Just today a thread has been made showing how the police act in these situtaions. A woman (white) is waving act gun AT THE POLICE IN A POLICE STATION. and they don't shoot her. Why??? Was she not a threat?
I see you've already forgot that more than 6x as many whites with toy guns are killed by police.

There are roughly 6x more whites than blacks in America, so it's basically exactly proportional.

It's a tragedy that this kid died. But it doesn't help when people who don't actually give a shit about the kid hijack the situation to turn it into a "whites are racists. Blacks are victims" propaganda campaign.

[longtime lurker]

Ohio is an open carry state. If the officers actually believed he was an adult, then why stop him at all? Where is the NRA in all of this?

[Patrick Chewing]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5PNCzVCEAArCT9.jpg

[Patrick Chewing]

Ohio is an open carry state. If the officers actually believed he was an adult, then why stop him at all? Where is the NRA in all of this?


I knew you were pretty stupid, but not this stupid.

Open carry is not the same as pointing your gun at people as they walk by you.

For ****s sake.

[longtime lurker]

I see you've already forgot that more than 6x as many whites with toy guns are killed by police.

There are roughly 6x more whites than blacks in America, so it's basically exactly proportional.

It's a tragedy that this kid died. But it doesn't help when people who don't actually give a shit about the kid hijack the situation to turn it into a "whites are racists. Blacks are victims" propaganda campaign.

Any sources to back this up? Or is it another NumberSix fabricated lie?

[longtime lurker]

I knew you were pretty stupid, but not this stupid.

Open carry is not the same as pointing your gun at people as they walk by you.

For ****s sake.

So based on the 911 call they just assumed this person was telling the truth? Again in an open carry state is the proper reaction to kill someone within 1 second?

[97 bulls]

I didn't even watch them, cause its easy to cherry pick examples.
You didn't watch them cuz you enjoy keeping your head in your ass. Your the one that said what those cops did was normal. I showed instances to the contrary.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQTEjW3qxuY

Unarmed white guy, shot by police from 5 feet away. Am I out protesting, or robbing Jordan's, or burning down my local liquor barn?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4b7DIM3NJI

Another unarmed white kid killed by police.

Wasn't there a kid killed in Ohio recently over some marijuana? Yeah, there was.
.
No one is saying that blacks should operate with impunity. He'll more often than not, blacks are the ones calling the police on other blacks. The argument is why does lethal force have to be used as a first resort?

Even in the examples you posted. The man that was killed by the police in Utah, they told him to stop, he replied "nah fool", they continued to follow him and then he turned around and reached into his waist. In your other link. There was a struggle. There was no struggle, police didn't give Rice a chance to stand down. In fact they instigated that situation.

And blacks don't protest every time police kill or beat up a black person. When that police officer killed the black man in that Jewish temple no one argued. That man deserved every bullet he got

[NumberSix]

Any sources to back this up? Or is it another NumberSix fabricated lie?
Why should I waste my time? You're just gonna do what you did with the refugee rapist in Fargo. You claimed I made it up, I posted the video and you just never responded and pretended you didn't see it.

[NumberSix]

So based on the 911 call they just assumed this person was telling the truth? Again in an open carry state is the proper reaction to kill someone within 1 second?
Probably not, but it would help if you knew what "open carry" means.

Open carry = an openly visible weapon in a holster or a sling. Not walking around with a gun in your hand and certainly not pointing it at people. That's called a death threat.

[97 bulls]

Because cops aren't a model of robot that all have the same operating system. Each cop is an entirely different person than the next one. Some are better than others, some have different temperaments. Asking why different cops react differently is like asking why do different NBA players have different abilities and results.

But that's not what he said Six. He excused what the Cops did as being a part of training. I believe Patrick Chewing called it "protocol". Then why don't they do this to everyone????


I see you've already forgot that more than 6x as many whites with toy guns are killed by police.

There are roughly 6x more whites than blacks in America, so it's basically exactly proportional.
No I didnt. I said I would like to know the circumstances. Never got a response.


It's a tragedy that this kid died. But it doesn't help when people who don't actually give a shit about the kid hijack the situation to turn it into a "whites are racists. Blacks are victims" propaganda campaign.
We've gone through this before. It's not racism, it it sterotype. And this is why it's wrong. Far too often innocent blacks kids end up dying because of it. And saying it's a tragedy don't give that person their life back.

[NumberSix]

You didn't watch them cuz you enjoy keeping your head in your ass. Your the one that said what those cops did was normal. I showed instances to the contrary.


No one is saying that blacks should operate with impunity. He'll more often than not, blacks are the ones calling the police on other blacks. The argument is why does lethal force have to be used as a first resort?

Even in the examples you posted. The man that was killed by the police in Utah, they told him to stop, he replied "nah fool", they continued to follow him and then he turned around and reached into his waist. In your other link. There was a struggle. There was no struggle, police didn't give Rice a chance to stand down. In fact they instigated that situation.

And blacks don't protest every time police kill or beat up a black person. When that police officer killed the black man in that Jewish temple no one argued. That man deserved every bullet he got
They would have if it didn't happen to be on video. If there didn't happen to be a person recording it, we'd hear all the same "nobody would charge towards a cop who is pointing his gun at them" and conspiracy theories.

[UK2K]

Why should I waste my time? You're just gonna do what you did with the refugee rapist in Fargo. You claimed I made it up, I posted the video and you just never responded and pretended you didn't see it.

Don't bother. No amount of explanation will convince him he's fighting a losing battle.

He knows more than the grand jury, apparently. He also knows more than every law enforcement officer in the country.

[longtime lurker]

Why should I waste my time? You're just gonna do what you did with the refugee rapist in Fargo. You claimed I made it up, I posted the video and you just never responded and pretended you didn't see it.

So in other words you'll just continue to completely make shit up without providing any evidence.

[UK2K]

So in other words you'll just continue to completely make shit up without providing any evidence.


Meanwhile, the deaths of whites at the hands of law enforcement typically receive less attention, even when the case is shrouded in controversy. For example, Gilbert Collar, an 18-year-old white student at the University of South Alabama, was shot and killed while naked, unarmed and under the influence of drugs by a black police officer.

The officer, Trevis Austin, was cleared of wrongdoing in 2013 by a Mobile County grand jury in a case that received little media coverage outside Alabama. Mr. Collar’s parents filed a federal lawsuit last year against the officer.

No outrage, cause the victim was white.


PolitiFact cited data from the Centers for Disease Control on fatal injuries by “legal intervention” from 1999 to 2011.

“Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect, Medved is correct,” said PolitiFact.

Despite blacks committing almost half the crime here in the states, sometimes more.


“If one adjusts for the racial disparity in the homicide rate or the rate at which police are feloniously killed, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police than blacks,” said Mr. Moskos, a former Baltimore cop and author of the book “Cop in the Hood.”

“Adjusted for the homicide rate, whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks die at the hands of police,” he said. “Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of police.”

I know you won't care, but, I just wanted to show you that he is correct. Far more whites are killed by officers, despite committing far less crimes.

[TommyGriffin]

It would be entertaining to hear how any of the yahoos here would of handled the incident.

Knowing these PC care bears they would pull up slow from 100 feet away warning the potential armed suspect with a bullhorn that they are in fact coming from him. It's not like if they did this the armed assailant who was just pointing a pistol at people's head would just...run away?

You guys know zero about policing and effective policing tactics. You guys are being whiny armchair quarterbacks instead of addressing the real issues here.

Where was the boy's Father?

Where was the boy's Mother?

Why did the boy's Mother not know her 12 years old has a replica 1911 Colt Pistol?

Why did the boy's Mother ever teach her son that if you have a real or fake gun, Police cannot tell the difference and will kill you.

It was well known before the Tamir Rice shooting that if you pull a fake or real gun when around the police you will get blown away. This is not a new thing by any means. Tamir's parents failed to pass along essential knowledge that is needed for his survival in today's world. Tamir's parents failed on multiple levels and are the real people that should be held accountable rather than portraying THEM as the crying and sad "victims".

The only victim here was Tamir Rice, a victim of a complete lapse in parenting. He ended up dead because of it.

Black lives do matter! That is why black parents need to spend more time with their children and educate them on what and what not to do in order to keep yourself alive and free.

[97 bulls]

Probably not, but it would help if you knew what "open carry" means.

Open carry = an openly visible weapon in a holster or a sling. Not walking around with a gun in your hand and certainly not pointing it at people. That's called a death threat.
When the police pulled up on him, he was sitting on a bench. All they had was what the 911 operator relayed to them.

[97 bulls]

They would have if it didn't happen to be on video. If there didn't happen to be a person recording it, we'd hear all the same "nobody would charge towards a cop who is pointing his gun at them" and conspiracy theories.
What???? Who says or has said that????

[longtime lurker]

No outrage, cause the victim was white.

Maybe ALLLIVESMATTER should be drawing attention to these cases. FYI the cases when unarmed white people are killed by police its black lives matter that speak up for them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/zachary-hammond-police-killing_55c0e240e4b0c9fdc75dfda3


Despite blacks committing almost half the crime here in the states, sometimes more.

Oh you mean the self reported, incomplete, misquoted FBI statistics? I didn't know this was minority report where police know that unarmed people are guilty of a crime before executing them. Yeah I'll take these with a grain of salt.


I know you won't care, but, I just wanted to show you that he is correct. Far more whites are killed by officers, despite committing far less crimes.

Yes in a nutshell more white people are killed by police because they make up 70% of the population, but the issue that activists are trying to draw attention to is that black people are disproportionately affected by the justice system in various ways.

[NumberSix]

So in other words you'll just continue to completely make shit up without providing any evidence.
The numbers have been updated. 33 people killed with toy guns. 22 white. 5 black. 5 Hispanic.

http://i.imgur.com/T07GVPt.png


As we can see, of the people with toy guns killed by police....

66% of them are white
15% of them are black
15% are Hispanic

That pretty much identically represents the demographics of the United States. When it comes to cops shooting people with toy guns, there's no argument that there is any racial bias involved. There is however a massive sex disparity. 97% of those killed are male.


/thread

[97 bulls]

No outrage, cause the victim was white.



Despite blacks committing almost half the crime here in the states, sometimes more.



I know you won't care, but, I just wanted to show you that he is correct. Far more whites are killed by officers, despite committing far less crimes.
You can't possibly this dumb. No one is saying police shouldn't kill at all under any and every circumstance. The question is why such a quick knee-jerk reaction when it comes to blacks? For the life of me, I can't see how or why this is so difficult for you to comprehend. Do police kill only black people? No. But I'm positive that before lethal force was used, the assailant had every opportunity to stand down. Why can't it be this way across the board? Like in your Gil Collar example. That officer gave that man every chance to stand down. Even backing up while giving him multiple warnings. Gil Collar and Tamir Rice were not killed by police under similar circunstances.

[Patrick Chewing]

So based on the 911 call they just assumed this person was telling the truth? Again in an open carry state is the proper reaction to kill someone within 1 second?


Wow are you trolling?? Watch the video you idiot. He's pointing the gun as people are walking by.

[longtime lurker]

For Numbersix this is how you support your argument without making up outright lies.

Black people are killed by police in disproportionate numbers.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/black-americans-killed-by-police-analysis


Black Americans are more than twice as likely to be unarmed when killed during encounters with police as white people, according to a Guardian investigation which found 102 of 464 people killed so far this year in incidents with law enforcement officers were not carrying weapons.

Also a study conducted shows that black children are likely to be seen as older than they actually are:

http://newsone.com/2962437/american-psychological-association-black-boys/

[QUOTE]Indeed it is, but it

[longtime lurker]

The numbers have been updated. 33 people killed with toy guns. 22 white. 5 black. 5 Hispanic.

http://i.imgur.com/T07GVPt.png


As we can see, of the people with toy guns killed by police....

66% of them are white
15% of them are black
15% are Hispanic

That pretty much identically represents the demographics of the United States. When it comes to cops shooting people with toy guns, there's no argument that there is any racial bias involved. There is however a massive sex disparity. 97% of those killed are male.


/thread

Link to site?

[NumberSix]

For Numbersix this is how you support your argument without making up outright lies.
What lies?

Link to site?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

[UK2K]

Yes in a nutshell more white people are killed by police because they make up 70% of the population, but the issue that activists are trying to draw attention to is that black people are disproportionately affected by the justice system in various ways.

Don't give a ****, they make up less than half the crime, and thus, half the interactions with officers. But yet, over twice the amount of deaths by officer?

So, you're still wrong. Keep going though.

[UK2K]

You can't possibly this dumb. No one is saying police shouldn't kill at all under any and every circumstance. The question is why such a quick knee-jerk reaction when it comes to blacks? For the life of me, I can't see how or why this is so difficult for you to comprehend. Do police kill only black people? No. But I'm positive that before lethal force was used, the assailant had every opportunity to stand down. Why can't it be this way across the board? Like in your Gil Collar example. That officer gave that man every chance to stand down. Even backing up while giving him multiple warnings. Gil Collar and Tamir Rice were not killed by police under similar circunstances.

The numbers don't back up your claim. I don't know why this is so difficult for you to comprehend.

I do know why. You don't want to comprehend it.

[Patrick Chewing]

97 is a hypocrite. Doesn't say anything when other blacks kill blacks.


Has a problem when police officers do their job.

[longtime lurker]

97 is a hypocrite. Doesn't say anything when other blacks kill blacks.


Has a problem when police officers do their job.

Shut up. You add nothing to this discussion.

[97 bulls]

The numbers don't back up your claim. I don't know why this is so difficult for you to comprehend.

I do know why. You don't want to comprehend it.
Bite your tongue (should be fingers since we're typing). I've gone out of my way to try to reach a happy medium here. You my friend are the one that is being bull headed. I've opened, read, and responded to every link you sent. Your rebuttal is that you refuse to return the same sentiments.


What your stats show are just that, stats. My response would be that police kill more whites people because they encounter more as a whole. But again, how many are controversial. You sent three weak as water links to support your theory. I asked this earlier, I implore you.....show me one case where the the police shot a white man without giving that man every opportunity to obey and consent. It doesn't happen.

[Patrick Chewing]

Shut up. You add nothing to this discussion.


I've been shutting you jokers up all day. You came into this discussion without even watching the video claiming he was just expressing his open carry rights. :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

I implore you.....show me one case where the the police shot a white man without giving that man every opportunity to obey and consent. It doesn't happen.
It does. There just aren't groups of people who exploit the deaths of white guys for political propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwvb8Ex1mwM

[oh the horror]

It does. There just aren't groups of people who exploit the deaths of white guys for political propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwvb8Ex1mwM




Is that the sole reason you think people are talking about police and how they deal with black people? For political propaganda?

[97 bulls]

It does. There just aren't groups of people who exploit the deaths of white guys for political propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwvb8Ex1mwM
Sorry bro. Another weak attempt. Here's a snippet of the artcle I looked up:

In the video, which was later released to the public after the verdict was handed down, Kassick’s hands repeatedly disappeared underneath his body as Mearkle screamed at him to keep them where she could see them and then fired the fatal shots.

She REPEATEDLY DEMANDED THIS MAN TO SHOW HIS HANDS. So once again, this individual had ample opportunity to comply and refused.

[longtime lurker]

Is that the sole reason you think people are talking about police and how they deal with black people? For political propaganda?

NumberSix is the classic example of projection. He himself is influenced by political propaganda so he thinks everyone else is too. He lacks any empathy so believes that black activists are being controlled by white radical leftists. Weird I know.

[UK2K]

Bite your tongue (should be fingers since we're typing). I've gone out of my way to try to reach a happy medium here. You my friend are the one that is being bull headed. I've opened, read, and responded to every link you sent. Your rebuttal is that you refuse to return the same sentiments.


What your stats show are just that, stats. My response would be that police kill more whites people because they encounter more as a whole. But again, how many are controversial. You sent three weak as water links to support your theory. I asked this earlier, I implore you.....show me one case where the the police shot a white man without giving that man every opportunity to obey and consent. It doesn't happen.
50% of the crime is committed by 13% of the population. I think they encounter as many blacks as whites, obviously.

I get that you're giving me well thought out responses, and I appreciate it, but no matter what I say, you will have some excuse.

Like, had the guy from 97's post been black, he'd have said some shit like 'he couldn't get his hands out they were on top of him'. The facts are facts. And stats are stats.

A white person who comes in contact with police are more likely to be killed than a black person who comes in contact with police. That's a stat, and a fact. You can try and argue whatever you want, but that's the bottom line. So whatever prejudice you're claiming, it's not true.

[97 bulls]

50% of the crime is committed by 13% of the population. I think they encounter as many blacks as whites, obviously.

I get that you're giving me well thought out responses, and I appreciate it, but no matter what I say, you will have some excuse.

Like, had the guy from 97's post been black, he'd have said some shit like 'he couldn't get his hands out they were on top of him'. The facts are facts. And stats are stats.

A white person who comes in contact with police are more likely to be killed than a black person who comes in contact with police. That's a stat, and a fact. You can try and argue whatever you want, but that's the bottom line. So whatever prejudice you're claiming, it's not true.
I'm not going to allow you to distort numbers. Notice I stated "AS A WHOLE" when responding to the statistics on death by cop between white and black people. You did not state a percentage based number, you used numbers as a whole. Once you got checked, you then tried to move to a percentage based stats. Pick a stat, if it's as a whole, fine, more whites are killed by police because there are more white criminals, because there are just more whites in this country.

[Springsteen]

It's almost stunning how many closet-racists there are on this forum.

Everytime another death occurs at the hands of a police officer, I see the same group of posters picking apart the incidents to shift the blame onto the dead and none on the Officers. There are cases where I would agree with that, but this is not one of them.

[DrakeTheSnake]

Murdering children these days.

[Patrick Chewing]

It's almost stunning how many closet-racists there are on this forum.

Everytime another death occurs at the hands of a police officer, I see the same group of posters picking apart the incidents to shift the blame onto the dead and none on the Officers. There are cases where I would agree with that, but this is not one of them.

So you make the jump to racism if people agree with the police?

I don't think you know the definition of racism.

[NumberSix]

Is that the sole reason you think people are talking about police and how they deal with black people? For political propaganda?
No, not everybody who does the same thing has the same motivation. I'm sure the majority of people who protest legitimately believe that there is an epidemic of police recklessly killing black people and getting away with it. The same way some people legitimately do believe that there is an epidemic of Muslims murdering people in America. It does happen from time to time, but not to the extent that the media excessively spotlighting every single case makes it out to be. In both situations, yeah, I do think there are people with political motivations who throw gas on the fire and want people to think these things are much more common than they actually are.

[Springsteen]

So you make the jump to racism if people agree with the police?

I don't think you know the definition of racism.

Really, that's rich coming from you of all people. Let's just take a look at your "not racist" post history.

On a thread about one of ESPN's reporters...



She's the Affirmative Action hire for ESPN. She doesn't speak proper English, only Ebonics.

On a thread mocking Black Lives Matter...


Reparashuns! Free food and purple drank!

And in a thread you yourself made...


I think Black Girls can be sexy as phuck if they acted more white and nerdy. Them ghetto hoodrats should be thrown in the ocean.


And show me what kind of girls your Muzzie ass is banging these days. I want the full picture. No burqa's, hijab's, bed sheets, curtains, etc..

I've been lurking this board for awhile and you are always posting slanted, thinly-veiled garbage. Or rather, posts "predisposed to cognitive categorization of races," since you wanted me to look up a definition.

[Patrick Chewing]

Really, that's rich coming from you of all people. Let's just take a look at your "not racist" post history.

On a thread about one of ESPN's reporters...



On a thread mocking Black Lives Matter...



And in a thread you yourself made...





I've been lurking this board for awhile and you are always posting slanted, thinly-veiled garbage. Or rather, posts "predisposed to cognitive categorization of races," since you wanted me to look up a definition.


Again, look up the word racism in a dictionary and you will see the error in your ways. Comedians make fun of races and nationalities and cultures.

Your overly sensitive pansy ass needs to turn right back around from whence you came and lurk elsewhere ya fruit loop. Probably some white pasty ass nerd with a fat grandma living upstairs. Go **** yourself and take all them smelly Muzzie hijab-wearing skanks with you too.

[Springsteen]

Again, look up the word racism in a dictionary and you will see the error in your ways. Comedians make fun of races and nationalities and cultures.

Your overly sensitive pansy ass needs to turn right back around from whence you came and lurk elsewhere ya fruit loop. Probably some white pasty ass nerd with a fat grandma living upstairs.

:lol

The mental gymnastics and ad hominen attacks by you. If you can find me instances of comedians making jokes like you the ones you posted above, feel free to show me.

It's okay to admit you're a racist, dude. Everyone's a little racist at times. Yours is just at a way higher degree.

[Springsteen]

Wait, he edited his post to add in another "not racist" insult. Nice one, dude!

[Patrick Chewing]

:lol

If you can find me instances of comedians making jokes like you the ones you posted above, feel free to show me.



:facepalm

[Springsteen]

:facepalm

I guess you couldn't find any comedians making jokes about how "sexy" black girls would be if they "acted white" or how black ESPN reporters are just "affirmative action hires," so this is how you respond.

Try looking a little harder, maybe you'll find one. :D

[Patrick Chewing]

I guess you couldn't find any comedians making jokes about how "sexy" black girls would be if they "acted white" or how black ESPN reporters are just "affirmative action hires," so this is how you respond.

Try looking a little harder, maybe you'll find one. :D


I'm just amazed that there are still idiots like you in the world who haven't seen a comedy show on HBO. Try Youtube. Tell that fat heifer of a grandma to unblock your internet so you can watch rated R stuff.