Frequency of open shots among the league's Top 5 scorers

[dunksby]

An open shot is defined as a shot taken with the closest defender being 4 feet or farther away from the shooter.

1- Stephen Curry 30.5 PPG: (51%/44%)
Shot distance less than 10 feet: 51.5%
Over 10 feet:45.3%

2- James Harden 28.4 PPG (41%/33%)
Shot distance less than 10 feet: 40%
Over 10 feet: 35.6%

3- Kevin Durant 26.6 PPG (53%/42%)
Shot distance less than 10 feet: 34%
Over 10 feet: 29.5%

4- Russell Westbrook 25.5 PPG (46.7%/30%)
Shot distance less than 10 feet: 42.3%
Over 10 feet: 35%

5- LeBron James 25.4 PPG (51%/25%)
Shot distance less than 10 feet: 38.2%
Over 10 feet: 28%

[LAZERUSS]

An open shot is defined as a shot taken with the closest defender being 4 feet or farther away from the shooter.

1- Stephen Curry 30.5 PPG: (51%/44%)
Shot distance less than 10 feet: 51.5%
Over 10 feet:45.3%

2- James Harden 28.4 PPG (41%/33%)
Shot distance less than 10 feet: 40%
Over 10 feet: 35.6%

3- Kevin Durant 26.6 PPG (53%/42%)
Shot distance less than 10 feet: 34%
Over 10 feet: 29.5%

4- Russell Westbrook 25.5 PPG (46.7%/30%)
Shot distance less than 10 feet: 42.3%
Over 10 feet: 35%

5- LeBron James 25.4 PPG (51%/25%)
Shot distance less than 10 feet: 38.2%
Over 10 feet: 28%

Curry's is deceptive. The man is literally shooting 30 ft shots.

[dunksby]

Curry's is deceptive. The man is literally shooting 30 ft shots.
Curry has taken 5 30 ft shots so far, 200 shots from 25 ft, 227 shots from 5-24 ft, and 150 shots from less than 5 ft. This ain't the 60s old timer, everything is recorded and documented.

[TrueBlue89]

What do these stats tell us?

[ArbitraryWater]

What do these stats tell us?

right? And is it supposed to be a good or bad thing? Good thing if anything :confusedshrug:

Plus Curry is pretty much taking 35 footers :oldlol: no wonder no one's on him there.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

The implication is clearly that more open shots = better teammates/team = better %ages

[LAZERUSS]

Curry has taken 5 30 ft shots so far, 200 shots from 25 ft, 227 shots from 5-24 ft, and 150 shots from less than 5 ft. This ain't the 60s old timer, everything is recorded and documented.

They are full of shit.

[ArbitraryWater]

The implication is clearly that more open shots = better teammates/team = better %ages

KD is taking 42% open shots, RW is taking 30% open shots... nope, not working, not that simple.

[TrueBlue89]

KD is taking 42% open shots, RW is taking 30% open shots... nope, not working, not that simple.
Exactly. Teammates obviously play a factor but it isn't that simple. Think this proves Harden & Westbrook would both be far more efficient if they actually moved off the ball.

[dunksby]

What do these stats tell us?
Efficiency of team's offensive plan and execution clearly. Offensive planning in basketball aims at establishing high percentage shots and pulling the defenders away from the main scorers.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

KD is taking 42% open shots, RW is taking 30% open shots... nope, not working, not that simple.

That's 3PT% isn't it? I thought the breakdown in brackets was FG%/3P% then the open shots was the breakdown below that?

[dunksby]

That's 3PT% isn't it? I thought the breakdown in brackets was FG%/3P% then the open shots was the breakdown below that?
He is an idiot, don't mind him.

[ArbitraryWater]

That's 3PT% isn't it? I thought the breakdown in brackets was FG%/3P% then the open shots was the breakdown below that?

but below just tells us distance? I was wondering too, either way, OP did a really terrible job of presenting data since multiple people didn't understand this.. usually this type of stuff is taught in school at one point, handling and representing data and what not.. maybe its different in the country he's from. Lets go easy on him.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

He is an idiot, don't mind him.

:lol

[SpanishACB]

What do these stats tell us?

that gsw move the ball better than most teams
that curry is a great off the ball player and shot creator off the dribble
and that lebron system is not really a good basketball system

[MP.Trey]

Curry has taken 5 30 ft shots so far, 200 shots from 25 ft, 227 shots from 5-24 ft, and 150 shots from less than 5 ft. This ain't the 60s old timer, everything is recorded and documented.
I refuse to believe this. Curry takes at LEAST one 30 footer a game and I've seen a lot more than 5 Warriors game this year. Unless some of them were 29.8 feet or some bullshit like that.

[sd3035]

Curry is a Wizard. Defenders try to stick to him like glue from half court. These stats (if true) show that he is one of the greatest of all time at shaking defenders

[Psileas]

I refuse to believe this. Curry takes at LEAST one 30 footer a game and I've seen a lot more than 5 Warriors game this year. Unless some of them were 29.8 feet or some bullshit like that.

Does there even exist an exact way of distance measurement or is this just eye estimation? According to bbr, Curry this season has taken 3 shots behind the mid-court alone, so this leaves us with only 2 more 30+ footers. And just yesterday, he did make one of those 30 footers. Very hard to believe he's only shot 5.

[dunksby]

Does there even exist an exact way of distance measurement or is this just eye estimation? According to bbr, Curry this season has taken 3 shots behind the mid-court alone, so this leaves us with only 2 more 30+ footers. And just yesterday, he did make one of those 30 footers. Very hard to believe he's only shot 5.
They are tracking stats, using cameras and shit, he has taken 5 shots from 30 ft and 200 shots from 25-29 ft range according to millimeter sensitive tech, you take it as you will.

[kshutts1]

Count me among those being confused by the representation of the data.

Are the percentages in brackets their overall shooting percentages? Then the data below that is percent of shots that are open, with no shooting percentage included?

I'd like to see a breakdown on those same players, done as such...

Steph Curry:
0 - 10' = % of shots taken when open, shooting percentage both open and covered

etc. Something along those lines, anyway.

[dunksby]

Count me among those being confused by the representation of the data.

Are the percentages in brackets their overall shooting percentages? Then the data below that is percent of shots that are open, with no shooting percentage included?

I'd like to see a breakdown on those same players, done as such...

Steph Curry:
0 - 10' = % of shots taken when open, shooting percentage both open and covered

etc. Something along those lines, anyway.
Extensive representation of data is on their stat profile on the NBA website
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/

[kshutts1]

Extensive representation of data is on their stat profile on the NBA website
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shots/
Thank you but I knew that. Why make a thread, then make us find the data, though?

[LAZERUSS]

They are tracking stats, using cameras and shit, he has taken 5 shots from 30 ft and 200 shots from 25-29 ft range according to millimeter sensitive tech, you take it as you will.

Then they need to fix that "millimeter sensitive tech system" that they are using.

Stevie Wonder would do a better job.

[dunksby]

Thank you but I knew that. Why make a thread, then make us find the data, though?
Because you are asking for more data? The thread is about the fequency open shots they get to highlight the efficiency of team offense of each of those scorers. Those tracking stats offer a wealth of information, I pick some and post them every now and then.

[kshutts1]

Then they need to fix that "millimeter sensitive tech system" that they are using.

Stevie Wonder would do a better job.
I am curious about what reference point is used for a thirty foot shot.

Is it, as I assume it is, in relation to 3p distance, so measured from the center of the basket? Or is it relative to FT distance, and measured from the backboard?

Or is it measured from the front of the rim? Or the baseline? Those last two are two silly dark horses.

[ISHGoat]

OP, you did a ****ing terrible job of presenting the data. Everyone is confused as **** as to what the numbers mean since you essentially just thrrew them out there like 51%/44% 40%/30% and let us interpret the numbers ourselves. Label your numbers idiot.

[LAZERUSS]

I am curious about what reference point is used for a thirty foot shot.

Is it, as I assume it is, in relation to 3p distance, so measured from the center of the basket? Or is it relative to FT distance, and measured from the backboard?

Or is it measured from the front of the rim? Or the baseline? Those last two are two silly dark horses.

From what I have read so far, they really don't have an idea.

If Curry has only taken 5 recorded shots from 30 ft, then they evidently have only covered one game.

[dunksby]

OP, you did a ****ing terrible job of presenting the data. Everyone is confused as **** as to what the numbers mean since you essentially just thrrew them out there like 51%/44% 40%/30% and let us interpret the numbers ourselves. Label your numbers idiot.
Or use your brain? Ah, yea, you have no idea how to.

[ISHGoat]

Or use your brain? Ah, yea, you have no idea how to.
:roll: :roll:

[dunksby]

Then they need to fix that "millimeter sensitive tech system" that they are using.

Stevie Wonder would do a better job.
Face it, you tried one of your Wilt mythology techniques and it failed, now you are mad at evidence.

[dunksby]

I am curious about what reference point is used for a thirty foot shot.

Is it, as I assume it is, in relation to 3p distance, so measured from the center of the basket? Or is it relative to FT distance, and measured from the backboard?

Or is it measured from the front of the rim? Or the baseline? Those last two are two silly dark horses.
5 30-34 ft shots
2 35-39 ft shots
4 40+ ft shots
They are classified in different range cats.

[ISHGoat]

5 30-34 ft shots
2 35-39 ft shots
4 40+ ft shots
They are classified in different range cats.

You are legit an idiot. Way to not answer his post. It's okay, not everyone has basic reading and writing skills.

Kshutts, I think it has to be measured to the center of the rim. You can't measure relative to the backboard because what if the shot is taken from the corner? Or along any angle that is not a straight on shot, like a free throw is.

[kshutts1]

They are tracking stats, using cameras and shit, he has taken 5 shots from 30 ft and 200 shots from 25-29 ft range according to millimeter sensitive tech, you take it as you will.
Dunno where you found this data.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shotslogs/?sort=SHOT_DIST&dir=1

Can sort it by distance, which the link should show.

I count 10 from 30+ feet, then another 8 or so from 29+ feet.

[dunksby]

You are legit an idiot. Way to not answer his post. It's okay, not everyone has basic reading and writing skills.

Kshutts, I think it has to be measured to the center of the rim. You can't measure relative to the backboard because what if the shot is taken from the corner? Or along any angle that is not a straight on shot, like a free throw is.
ArbitraryWater everyone knows it's you, you had to hop on another alt after you got burned yet again :oldlol: and no I wasn't answering his question but clarifying something else for him, not everything is a direct answer. Again you are moron.

[ISHGoat]

ArbitraryWater everyone knows it's you, you had to hop on another alt after you got burned yet again :oldlol: and no I wasn't answering his question but clarifying something else for him, not everything is a direct answer. Again you are moron.

No. You may literally be legally retarded.

[dunksby]

Dunno where you found this data.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shotslogs/?sort=SHOT_DIST&dir=1

Can sort it by distance, which the link should show.

I count 10 from 30+ feet, then another 8 or so from 29+ feet.
I got it from the shooting stats tab.

[dunksby]

No. You may literally be legally retarded.
It's OK, if projection makes you feel better about yourself.

[kshutts1]

You are legit an idiot. Way to not answer his post. It's okay, not everyone has basic reading and writing skills.

Kshutts, I think it has to be measured to the center of the rim. You can't measure relative to the backboard because what if the shot is taken from the corner? Or along any angle that is not a straight on shot, like a free throw is.
Makes sense. Had not considered that.

The only other viable option would be closest point of rim, then, but that's not likely to be the case, since that measurement is not used for any distance. At least not that I'm aware.

[sd3035]

Makes sense. Had not considered that.

The only other viable option would be closest point of rim, then, but that's not likely to be the case, since that measurement is not used for any distance. At least not that I'm aware.

wouldn't it just be measured from the center of the hoop?

[LAZERUSS]

Dunno where you found this data.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/201939/tracking/shotslogs/?sort=SHOT_DIST&dir=1

Can sort it by distance, which the link should show.

I count 10 from 30+ feet, then another 8 or so from 29+ feet.

EXACTLY.

Instead of using this idiot's FIVE 30+ ft shots, which anyone with any brain at all would know is not even remotely close to being correct...we have ACTUAL measured data, which support my "60's" take.

BTW, I also counted 25 from 28+ feet from that data source.

And the bottom line...Curry is almost impossible to defend. He has an almost unlimited range. He has the best handles in the game. And he is probably the most proficient driver of the ball in the NBA as well.

I don't need some technical breakdown to prove this.