Should the NBA Expand the Court and Push 3pt Line Back?

[ISHGoat]

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[Akrazotile]

I don't know, but I do think it's worth at least thinking about, looking at, considering.

Purists will obviously dismiss it out of hand, which is stupid IMO. It can't hurt to at least LOOK at it and how it could potentiall improve the game.

[WorldWarriors]

Why would this be necessary?

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Would just further emphasize corner 3s, unless you plan on making the court larger. Which would never happen.

[imdaman99]

No way. If Curry was a 20 year old, than maybe. But he's like 27-28. He only has 15 more elite shooting years left in him.

[ISHGoat]

Why would this be necessary?

Because teams are jacking up too many 3s with too high accuracy.

[34-24 Footwork]

Like the poster above said, why would it be necessary? The only people it'll disrupt are the sharpshootersame who've worked really hard to shoot from particular distances.

It'll be known as the "Curry/Klay Rule".

[34-24 Footwork]

Changing this rule would inevitability put Curry on the same level as MJ.

[Showtime80']

Leave the court the same size, players have actually gotten smaller in the last few years!

Put the 3 pointer into effect in the last 4 minutes of every quarter, take away the 3 seconds in the lane for the defensive player and let them play TRUE zone, take away the flagrant foul rule and let them HAND CHECK!!!

The inside, mid range and fast break game would automatically HAVE TO make a comeback with the above rule changes!

The way the league is going now games with 80 and 90 3 pointers attempted are just around the corner

[Straight_Ballin]

Why would this be necessary?

So that Curry's numbers can be compared to former great 3 pt shooters. Right now he is so insanely good that he needs a handicap.

Straight game changer.

[Fallen Angel]

Because teams are jacking up too many 3s with too high accuracy.
That's the biggest lie ever told

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/offense/sort/threePointFieldGoalsAttempted

[WorldWarriors]

Because teams are jacking up too many 3s with too high accuracy.
How many teams though? Is it significant enough to move the line?

Seems a bit drastic jmo.

[WorldWarriors]

So that Curry's numbers can be compared to former great 3 pt shooters. Right now he is so insanely good that he needs a handicap.

Straight game changer.

Seems a bit extreme for 1 player. :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

No one goes longer and deeper when hitting the 3 spot when compared to Chef Curry.

Move it back as far as you want he will keep hitting it.

[Showtime80']

Today's soft NBA is tailor made for Curry. Basically what Dale Ellis would be today.

Would've loved to have seen him go up against hand checking and no flagrant foul rules to see if he could handle the punishment of being slammed to the ground a few times each game with no serious penalties.

[Straight_Ballin]

Seems a bit extreme for 1 player. :oldlol:

It won't be the first time that there was a rule change due to a single player's dominance.

[jstern]

No, they should just bring the old rules back.

[outbreak]

It won't be the first time that there was a rule change due to a single player's dominance.
but that was when the rules looked silly.

just because one player is better at something than everyone else doesn't mean you punish them. rules they should look at first are the rip through foul because that's abusing dodgy rules. being a good shooter isn't abusing the rules.

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Today's soft NBA is tailor made for Curry. Basically what Dale Ellis would be today.

Would've loved to have seen him go up against hand checking and no flagrant foul rules to see if he could handle the punishment of being slammed to the ground a few times each game with no serious penalties.


I'm by no means a warriors fan, but Curry has you visibly shook. Holy sh!t :lol

[GrapeApe]

I could definitely see them extending the line, and I'll add this. I seriously doubt the league envisioned what would and has happened when they introduced the 3 point line. I don't think it was ever intended to dominate the game the way it has. If the league had known what the game would eventually become, I doubt they would have implemented it in the first place.

That being said, I fully expect a 4 point shot someday. It might have some restrictions, such as a limited numbers of attempts per game, but it will happen.

[WorldWarriors]

Outside of the Warriors what other team is dominating from the 3 point line? I really don't know because I haven't really looked into it.

[VengefulAngel]

Outside of the Warriors what other team is dominating from the 3 point line? I really don't know because I haven't really looked into it.

No other team really.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/offense-per-game/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct

N.B if you remove Lebron's 3 point percent the Cav's are shooting 37%. Not even joking lol...

[Genaro]

Why? All NBA has done for the past 30 years is to make perimeter guys' lives easier. I don't think they want to go back to mid range and post ups.

And it's not like one team is having an unfair advantage or something. The line is the same for everyone. Curry just happens to be damn good at it.

[dhsilv]

Because teams are jacking up too many 3s with too high accuracy.

Why is it too many? How many is enough? Can rules changes fix this without changing the court?

[RRR3]

No other team really.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/offense-per-game/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct

N.B if you remove Lebron's 3 point percent the Cav's are shooting 37%. Not even joking lol...
I remember when LeBron himself used to shoot about 37% on 3s :(

[WorldWarriors]

No other team really.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/offense-per-game/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct

N.B if you remove Lebron's 3 point percent the Cav's are shooting 37%. Not even joking lol... I thought I heard that said in the Christmas game that the Cavs were one of the better 3 point shooting teams in the league. Thanks for confirming. I still don't know of others.

[Mass Debator]

Lower the rim by 6 inches. That'll sure throw them off and add more posters lol

[VengefulAngel]

I remember when LeBron himself used to shoot about 37% on 3s :(

I remember when he used to shoot 40% and shot 42% in the 2014 playoffs.

How an earth do you go from 42% to 25% in 2 seasons. Did he practice missing on purpose?

[RRR3]

I remember when he used to shoot 40% and shot 42% in the 2014 playoffs.

How an earth do you go from 42% to 25% in 2 seasons. Did he practice missing on purpose?
LeBron probably read an ISH post that said something like "LeWimp is a freakin giant and he's taking 3s...what a beta...real men drive inside and dunk". :lol


In all honesty, I have no idea. He's had some issues from midrange throughout his career, but he has been a competent to good 3pt shooter for about half a decade so this is weird.

[MMM]

Expand the court to 96 ft but don't change the 3pt distance. The additional space will be beyond the basket

[feyki]

I agree . I love 3's but i love to see more drives to the basket than 3's .

[DoctorP]

yes. or maybe get rid of it altogether.

the again, maybe just keep as it is.

i dont fn know

[Nikola_]

let ISH members determine value of every basket by beautyness of the form or time remaining.

[90sgoat]

Leave the court the same size, players have actually gotten smaller in the last few years!

Put the 3 pointer into effect in the last 4 minutes of every quarter, take away the 3 seconds in the lane for the defensive player and let them play TRUE zone, take away the flagrant foul rule and let them HAND CHECK!!!

The inside, mid range and fast break game would automatically HAVE TO make a comeback with the above rule changes!

The way the league is going now games with 80 and 90 3 pointers attempted are just around the corner

This, this and this.

How difficult is it to understand?

It's not the 3s that's the problem it's the ban on playing defense - the defensive 3 second and no-touch on perimeters - in addition to allowing moving screens/double screens and carry/palming.

Once you allow defense again and ban the stop-and-go dribbles, it becomes much much harder to get open from high pick and rolls, which again means there won't be the need for a help defender to slide, which leads to an open guy for a direct 3 or a swing and a 3.

I want to ask people, do you understand the above? Do you understand almost all plays (maybe 75-80%) are designed to draw a help defender to a high pick and roll penetration, which then leads to a 3.

This would simply not be possible as easily if hand check/touch defense was allowed. Neither would a wing defender need to slide to help, because there would be a big guy in the paint.

Again, do you understand what you are actually watching?:confusedshrug:

[HylianNightmare]

Just add a 4 pointer

[GrapeApe]

Just add a 4 pointer

I'm fairly certain the league has toyed with this idea. What I've heard discussed is a line about halfway between the 3 point line and half court. A team would only get a limited number of attempts per game and only one inside of two minutes (after the attempts have been used it only counts as a 3). If a player launched a shot from beyond the 4 point line to beat the clock at the end of a quarter, it would count as an attempt. A foul committed on a player attempting a 4 pointer would be 4 ft's, unless the team had already used their allotted attempts. The same apply for and-1's and made 4 pointers with a foul.

This of course was just an idea being thrown around for fun (I think SVP & Russillo), but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the league has had legitimate discussions regarding something similar. I actually think it's a decent idea, and by limiting the attempts you prevent the game from turning into a complete circus.

[tragicbronson]

I'm fairly certain the league has toyed with this idea. What I've heard discussed is a line about halfway between the 3 point line and half court. A team would only get a limited number of attempts per game and only one inside of two minutes (after the attempts have been used it only counts as a 3). If a player launched a shot from beyond the 4 point line to beat the clock at the end of a quarter, it would count as an attempt. A foul committed on a player attempting a 4 pointer would be 4 ft's, unless the team had already used their allotted attempts. The same apply for and-1's and made 4 pointers with a foul.

This of course was just an idea being thrown around for fun (I think SVP & Russillo), but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the league has had legitimate discussions regarding something similar. I actually think it's a decent idea, and by limiting the attempts you prevent the game from turning into a complete circus.

Are you serious? Let's just turn basketball into flipper :facepalm

[tragicbronson]

This, this and this.

How difficult is it to understand?

It's not the 3s that's the problem it's the ban on playing defense - the defensive 3 second and no-touch on perimeters - in addition to allowing moving screens/double screens and carry/palming.

Once you allow defense again and ban the stop-and-go dribbles, it becomes much much harder to get open from high pick and rolls, which again means there won't be the need for a help defender to slide, which leads to an open guy for a direct 3 or a swing and a 3.

I want to ask people, do you understand the above? Do you understand almost all plays (maybe 75-80%) are designed to draw a help defender to a high pick and roll penetration, which then leads to a 3.

This would simply not be possible as easily if hand check/touch defense was allowed. Neither would a wing defender need to slide to help, because there would be a big guy in the paint.

Again, do you understand what you are actually watching?:confusedshrug:

Totally agree
These new rules turned basketball into small ball running and chucking 3s game and more and more teams are trying to make it their game. Teams like Pacers and Grizzlies who were fonds of old school defensive grinding it out are now trying to implement it aswell. Let's just enjoy teams like Spurs while we still can because soon we will be watching every team going with "small ball let's shoot as many 3s as we can" style.

[DoctorP]

Just add a 4 pointer

yeah why not? maybe even a 5 point line? :/

[deja vu]

Make the court the size of a soccer field.

[bdreason]

I think widening the court and pushing the corner 3 out a couple feet makes sense. It would lower the % of corner 3's, and open up the court even more for highlight dunks, which is what the NBA really wants.

[bdreason]

Totally agree
These new rules turned basketball into small ball running and chucking 3s game and more and more teams are trying to make it their game. Teams like Pacers and Grizzlies who were fonds of old school defensive grinding it out are now trying to implement it aswell. Let's just enjoy teams like Spurs while we still can because soon we will be watching every team going with "small ball let's shoot as many 3s as we can" style.


Pretty sure the Spurs were top of the league (or close) in 3-point makes and attempts during their last title run. I agree with your general premise though. Teams are taking way too many 3 pointers these days, and it isn't interesting basketball. It's like every game I watch is the same shit; High P&R/P and look for the corner 3. Shit gets old really quick.

[oarabbus]

How about they consistently call travels carries and palming before they even think about changing the court dimensions.

[Nash]

inb4 lebron averages 40ppg if that happens

[Thorpesaurous]

This, this and this.

How difficult is it to understand?

It's not the 3s that's the problem it's the ban on playing defense - the defensive 3 second and no-touch on perimeters - in addition to allowing moving screens/double screens and carry/palming.

Once you allow defense again and ban the stop-and-go dribbles, it becomes much much harder to get open from high pick and rolls, which again means there won't be the need for a help defender to slide, which leads to an open guy for a direct 3 or a swing and a 3.

I want to ask people, do you understand the above? Do you understand almost all plays (maybe 75-80%) are designed to draw a help defender to a high pick and roll penetration, which then leads to a 3.

This would simply not be possible as easily if hand check/touch defense was allowed. Neither would a wing defender need to slide to help, because there would be a big guy in the paint.

Again, do you understand what you are actually watching?:confusedshrug:


I've been in favor of widening the court for a long long time. Just enough to run the three point arc out naturally, with space to get your feet in obviously.

I do agree with everything said here. The main reason the league has gotten smaller is because quickness, and thereby smaller guys more often than not, became way more valuable once you weren't allowed to put your hands on them to defend. I'd also add the inability to check cutters too.

Widening the court though would put more value on real shooters. You'd be able to get away with fewer of the Trevor Ariza types who are considered 3/D guys because they can hit that specific 3 from the corner. It would force teams to make a choice on the assets they want on their roster. And I think it would have the affect of forcing defenders to play wider to cover those corners, and hopefully create more space for bigs. However you might find teams more willing to clog the lane to due to the increased difficulty of that shot.

It was a combo of the elimination of the hand check, and the allowance of some zone principals, that changed the game from a sideline approach to an almost exclusive top down PnR game. I wasn't a huge fan of the 90s exploitation of the illegal defense turning the game into strong side three on three contests, but I've also got some issues with the current system where it feels like everyone is playing the same way. I feel like widening the court and allowing more hand checking, while keeping the current zone rules (or softened illegal D rules as I prefer to call them) would require more decision making in terms of coaching, approach, and roster building, and allow for more variation in style.


I'm probably not expressing this as clearly as I can, but I know Jeff Van Gundy has also expressed similar concerns, and he too has admitted it's hard to explain exactly what he's thinking.