I just realized today that Melo never averaged 30 ppg

[k0kakw0rld]

One of the best scorers the game i've ever seen :bowdown: :lol


Discuss.

[3ball]

The amazing thing is that he couldn't even average 30 ppg in an era where the highest number of guys EVER averaged 30 ppg.

There were about TEN 30 point scorers in the 2000's.. But somehow, Melo wasn't one of them.. :confusedshrug:

So there's no way he would've averaged 30 ppg in the 90's either, since there were only TWO 30 point scorers in the 90's.

Of course, the 90's didn't have spacing - defenders were bunched up and in closer proximity - without spacing, help defenders were simply CLOSER than today's game..

In addition to no spacing, there was legal hand-checking and paint-camping.. A triple-whammy.

[RRR3]

The amazing thing is that he couldn't even average 30 ppg in an era where the highest number of guys EVER averaged 30 ppg.

There were about TEN 30 point scorers in the 2000's.. But somehow, Melo wasn't one of them.. :confusedshrug:

So there's no way he would've averaged 30 ppg in the 90's either, since there were only TWO 30 point scorers in the 90's.

Of course, the 90's didn't have spacing - defenders were bunched up and in closer proximity - without spacing, help defenders were simply CLOSER than today's game..

In addition to no spacing, there was legal hand-checking and paint-camping.. A triple-whammy.
Wtf is this bullshit


30 PPG scorers in the 2000s:

T-Mac
Kobe
LeBron
Wade
Iverson


30 PPG scorers in the 1960s:

Wilt
Walt Bellamy
Rick Barry
Baylor
Pettit
Big O
Jack Twyman
Jerry West




More lies from 3ball

[ShaqTwizzle]

He got close enough.

28.9-ppg in 2007 --- (4th year player)
28.2-ppg in 2010
28.7-ppg in 2013 --- (28.8 in 13 game playoff run)

He also averaged 30.7-ppg in the 2010 playoffs albeit over only 6 games.
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@3ball : Jordan didn't even come close to averaging 25-ppg in the early 00's despite chucking for all he was worth.
Couldn't handle that hand-checking + zone era.
:no:

[Straight_Ballin]

Wtf is this bullshit


30 PPG scorers in the 2000s:

T-Mac
Kobe
LeBron
Wade
Iverson


30 PPG scorers in the 1960s:

Wilt
Bellamy
Rick Barry
Baylor
Pettit
Robertson
Jack Twyman
Jerry West




More lies from 3ball

3ball said 90's....not 60's

[RRR3]

He said the 2000's had the most 30 point scorers. I proved him wrong

[miggyme1]

ill take longevity over ONE 30 ppg season any day. oh and efficiency. its no good to average 30ppg on 40% shooting...thats abysmal

[3ball]

He said the 2000's had the most 30 point scorers. I proved him wrong
You missed a bunch because your research skills are apparently piss poor.

Here's a list of 30 ppg scorers in the 2000's:


Durant 2010
Wade 2009
Lebron 2008
Kobe 2007
Kobe 2006
Iverson 2005
McGrady 2003
Iverson 2002
Iverson 2001
Shaq 2000


That's 7 different players, compared to only 2 players in the 90's... The 60's had 8 players.. So today's era equates with the 60's regarding ease of dropping 30.

[RRR3]

You missed a bunch because your research skills are apparently piss poor.

Here's a list of 30 ppg scorers in the 2000's:


Durant 2010
Wade 2009
Lebron 2008
Kobe 2007
Kobe 2006
Iverson 2005
McGrady 2003
Iverson 2002
Iverson 2001
Shaq 2000


That's 7 different players, compared to only 2 players in the 90's... The 60's had 8 players.. So today's era equates with the 60's regarding ease of dropping 30.
Not the 2000's, you idiot. How you gonna list 2000 AND 2010 :roll:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&birth_state=&college_id=&draft_year=&is_active=&debut_yr_nba_start=&debut_yr_nba_end=&debut_yr_aba_start=&debut_yr_aba_end=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&award=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=30&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws



There's the list. Shaq doesn't count. He wasn't quite at 30 PPG.

[3ball]

Not the 2000's, you idiot. How you gonna list 2000 AND 2010 :roll:

There's the list. Shaq doesn't count. He wasn't quite at 30 PPG.


A decade is 10 years... So either 2000 or 2010 counts.

Regardless, it was way easier to score 30 ppg in the 2000's, just about as easy as the 60's...

Whereas much harder in the 90's, obviously.

[RRR3]

A decade is 10 years... So either 2000 or 2010 counts.

Regardless, it was way easier to score 30 ppg in the 2000's, just about as easy as the 60's...

Whereas much harder in the 90's, obviously.
First of all,


no shit a decade is ten years. But two thousand and TEN is NOT part of the TWO THOUSANDS, it's part of the TWO THOUSAND TENS. You included bot in a attempt to bolster tour argument, while also giving Shaq a 30 PPG season he never had unless you round up.


Also, maybe there just weren't as many good scorers in the 90s...

[plowking]

A decade is 10 years... So either 2000 or 2010 counts.

Regardless, it was way easier to score 30 ppg in the 2000's, just about as easy as the 60's...

Whereas much harder in the 90's, obviously.

Lack of skilled competitors.

What an arbitrary cut off as well.

The facts are as is:
-There were more efficient wing scorers during MJ's time than now.
-This is mainly due to more lax basketball, and poorer defenses.

Jordan played during a time when Dale Ellis was putting up 28ppg on 50% shooting. Am I supposed to look at Jordan's 32ppg on 52% as far and away better, and compare it directly to today's scorers?

Curry this season is as impressive as any Jordan season in the 80's offensively.

[RRR3]

It was apparently "easy" to score 30 PPG in the 80s, doe.


George Gervin
World B. Free
Adrian Dantley
Bernard King
Dominique Wilkins
Michael Jordan



HEY LOOK ANOTHER DECADE WITH MORE 30 PPG SCORERS THAN THE 2000S

[RRR3]

In fact, the 70's ALSO had more 30+ PPG scorers than the 2000s did.


Jerry West
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Tiny Archibald
Bob McAdoo
Rick Barry
Pete Maravich


And this is with guys like Dr. J spending a lot of the decade in the ABA.






3ball just making up shit as usual

[plowking]

Damn, Jordan didn't get a single 30ppg season in the 2000's.

[RRR3]

Damn, Jordan didn't get a single 30ppg season in the 2000's.
You have to remember, the 2000s only had 5 30 PPG scorers. The 60s, 70s, and 80s all had more.

[raprap]

Sit yo ass down 3ball :lol :banana:

[Smoke117]

You have to remember, the 2000s only had 5 30 PPG scorers. The 60s, 70s, and 80s all had more.

Yeah...but all that bitch Jordan was capable of in the 2000s was 22.9ppg...on 22.1 shots per game. I'm pretty sure Nick Young right now could put up 22.9ppg if you let him launch up 22.1 shots a game...hell even Kobrick could find his way to doing this, this season if he wanted.

https://godofall.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/wade-laugh.gif

[SyRyanYang]

3ball just admitted MJ faced less competition, which should be apparent to everybody else.
His strongest opponent, Drexler, is equivalent to DeRozan of this era.

[AintNoSunshine]

No other era comes close to this when it comes to explosive offensive talents. 3ball is full of sht as always.

[Smoke117]

No other era comes close to this when it comes to explosive offensive talents. 3ball is full of sht as always.

No era comes close to making it as easy to score as this era. If he's full of shit...so are you.

[3ball]

3ball just admitted MJ faced less competition, which should be apparent to everybody else.
His strongest opponent, Drexler, is equivalent to DeRozan of this era.


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The wings from MJ's era match today's era man-for-man and are superior overall:


...2000-2014.................1984-1998

Kobe Bryant.............. Michael Jordan
LeBron James............ Magic Johnson
Kevin Durant............. Larry Bird
Dwayne Wade........... Clyde Drexler
Russell Westbrook..... Gary Payton
Tracey McGrady........ Dominique Wilkins
James Harden........... Grant Hill
Kawhi Leonard.......... Scottie Pippen
Paul Pierce............... Adrian Dantley
Carmelo Anthony....... Alex English
Vince Carter............. James Worthy
Allen Iverson............ Penny Hardaway
Jason Kidd................ Jason Kidd


Honorable Mention 1984-1998: Doctor J, Dennis Rodman, Reggie Lewis, Reggie Miller, Sidney Moncrief, Joe Dumars, Eddie Jones, Mitch Richmond, Alvin Robertson, Detlef Schrempf, Dennis Johnson, Latrell Sprewell, Ronaldo Blackman, Fat Lever, Glen Rice, Chris Mullin, Kiki Vandeweghe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ZCbZq8wWg), Jamaal Mashburn, Glenn Robinson

Honorable Mention 2000-2014: Ron Artest, Shawn Marion, Andre Igouodala, Ray Allen, Paul George, Manu Ginobili, Brandon Roy, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Draymond Green, Peja Stojakovic, Antawn Jamison, Luol Deng, Rashard Lewis
.

[SyRyanYang]

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The wings from MJ's era match today's era man-for-man and are superior overall:


...2000-2014.................1984-1998

Kobe Bryant.............. Michael Jordan
LeBron James............ Magic Johnson
Kevin Durant............. Larry Bird
Dwayne Wade........... Clyde Drexler
Russell Westbrook..... Gary Payton
Tracey McGrady........ Dominique Wilkins
James Harden........... Grant Hill
Kawhi Leonard.......... Scottie Pippen
Paul Pierce............... Adrian Dantley
Carmelo Anthony....... Alex English
Vince Carter............. James Worthy
Allen Iverson............ Penny Hardaway
Jason Kidd................ Jason Kidd


Honorable Mention 1984-1998: Doctor J, Dennis Rodman, Reggie Lewis, Reggie Miller, Sidney Moncrief, Joe Dumars, Eddie Jones, Mitch Richmond, Alvin Robertson, Detlef Schrempf, Dennis Johnson, Latrell Sprewell, Ronaldo Blackman, Fat Lever, Glen Rice, Chris Mullin, Kiki Vandeweghe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ZCbZq8wWg), Jamaal Mashburn, Glenn Robinson

Honorable Mention 2000-2014: Ron Artest, Shawn Marion, Andre Igouodala, Ray Allen, Paul George, Manu Ginobili, Brandon Roy, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Draymond Green, Peja Stojakovic, Antawn Jamison, Luol Deng, Rashard Lewis
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Why don't you list his competition during his championship runs?

[3ball]

Why don't you list his competition during his championship runs?
Then I would have to do the same for Kobe, Lebron, etc.... It's just not necessaary..

For one, we already know Lebron's competition was far worse in the Leastern Conference - Lebron has defeated literally ONE THIRD the 50-win teams (http://i.imgur.com/yz8FH5x.jpg) as MJ and Kobe and gets a free pass to the Finals every year.

I already listed all the best wings from MJ's career and they match today's era man-for-man and are superior overall..

That's more than sufficient.

[buddha]

Melo's done. I would take Kawhi and PG13 over him now.

[dhsilv]

The funniest part of this is that people are calling the 2000's the modern era. Umm, guys that decade started ~16 years ago. Players drafted last year were 3 years old back then...

[Nash]

inb4 3ball changes his argument to 'players not good enough in todays game to average 30+'

[Sakkreth]

inb4 3ball changes his argument to 'players not good enough in todays game to average 30+'

Did you know that
2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
is 10 years ?

[Springsteen]

Durant 2010
Wade 2009
Lebron 2008
Kobe 2007
Kobe 2006
Iverson 2005
McGrady 2003
Iverson 2002
Iverson 2001
Shaq 2000


3ball making up shit to suck off jordan again?

https://45.media.tumblr.com/27226680032285e099efe0da280a3cf2/tumblr_nx4r5ow4Gu1uyx50so1_500.gif

[Marchesk]

There was no year zero. Jesus was born on year 1. That means 2001 was the new millennium, which also means the new decade.

Also, God started creation on Day 1, not Day 0.

[k0kakw0rld]

No era comes close to making it as easy to score as this era. If he's full of shit...so are you.
:cheers:

[sd3035]

Damn, Jordan didn't get a single 30ppg season in the 2000's.

Jordan couldn't handle modern defense

Ordan scored against traffic cone defense when the NBA scoring average was much higher than today

Curry would easily average 40 back then

[riseagainst]

TIL:
2000 - 2010 = a decade

29.7 ppg is the same as a 30 ppg scorer, round it up, it's the same thing.

:roll:
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[ShawkFactory]

TIL:
2000 - 2010 = a decade

29.7 ppg is the same as a 30 ppg scorer, round it up, it's the same thing.

:roll:
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Edit: nvm misinterpreted you

[riseagainst]

Damn, Jordan didn't get a single 30ppg season in the 2000's.


:roll:
:lol

[Papaya Petee]

3ball got destroyed like usual

[3ball]

3ball got destroyed like usual


Here's a list of 29.5 ppg scorers in the 1990-1999:

Michael Jordan
Karl Malone
David Robinson
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3 players



Here's a list of 29.5 ppg scorers from 2000 to 2009:

Wade
Lebron
Kobe
McGrady
Iverson
Shaq
_________________
6 players



The 60's had 8 players.. So today's era compares with the 60's regarding ease of dropping 30.

[Genaro]

You can be a great scorer and don't average 30. Look at the list of guys who did it in the 00s. All MVPs but Wade and TMac (both of them superior players to Melo)