Why are the Bucks struggling?

[JohnnySic]

Parker-Giannis-Monroe-MCW-Middleton is a formidable starting 5, no? :confusedshrug:

Bench looks decent too.

[4 Inches]

Lots of length in that team
Give a few years and they will be nice

[fiddy]

MCW=cancer

[Milbuck]

Monroe is a good player but a terrible fit, he's a grind it out low post center on a young athletic team built to run, and a crap defensive center on a team that needs a rim protector. MCW has actually been OK individually this year but stylistically again he's a bad fit, he's a ball dominant PG with zero spacing on a team that needs a PG that can play off-ball and can shoot it to open up the paint. When your PG and C are crap fits, you're not gonna do well.

Bench is not decent at all. Vasquez and Copeland are pure garbage and both are done for the year, Bayless is a poor man's Knight, Mayo is the streakiest player in the NBA, and Henson gets destroyed by any center over 250 pounds. JOB is aight but he's a 2nd year hustle big, can only do so much. Rashad Vaughn is a 19 year old rook, same thing.

And arguably the biggest problem...Jason Kidd is the most overrated coach in basketball.

Jabari is still working his way back. Athletically looks like a beast, hasn't lost a step from the injury. But our dumb guards routinely freezing him out, and our garbage coaching staff telling him not to shoot and running zero plays for him has messed with his confidence. Naturally rusty too after an 11 month rehab. Gonna take time for him to reeastablish himself.

[sick_brah07]

No true rim protection, no real spacing ... and you have 4 of the 5 starters wanting to be the man ... i havent watched a lot of bucks games but that's what i gathered from watching some games... i think they can be great if parker and giannis take some leaps forward (which they obviously can considering age) i dont mind monroe but i think a defensive big like a tiago splitter would do wonders for that team... i dont mind mcw his defense is great but obviously needs some work on spacing the floor

[Milbuck]

No true rim protection, no real spacing ... and you have 4 of the 5 starters wanting to be the man ... i havent watched a lot of bucks games but that's what i gathered from watching some games... i think they can be great if parker and giannis take some leaps forward (which they obviously can considering age) i dont mind monroe but i think a defensive big like a tiago splitter would do wonders for that team... i dont mind mcw his defense is great but obviously needs some work on spacing the floor
Yeah if you swap out Monroe for a defensive center like Spurs Splitter and swap MCW for a 3&D PG like Delly to play off ball and let run the offense run through Middleton/Giannis/Jabari, this team would instantly be in the playoff hunt. The team has playoff level talent imo just very poor roster construction.

I miss Zaza lol

[Euroleague]

It just might have something to do with the fact that none of their players are any good.

That just perhaps might be it.

[Milbuck]

It just might have something to do with the fact that none of their players are any good.

That just perhaps might be it.
Giannis is better than Spanoulis ever was dude. You need to just accept it.

[Rake2204]

Monroe is a good player but a terrible fit, he's a grind it out low post center on a young athletic team built to run, and a crap defensive center on a team that needs a rim protector. I cannot recall, is this how you've felt about Greg Monroe from the get-go? Because it's pretty much exactly how I felt about him in Detroit.

One can acknowledge all of Monroe's skills in a vacuum -- he's very savvy in the post, rebounds pretty well, slightly above average post passer -- yet somehow it seems he can be detriment to the success of basketball teams.

In Detroit he just bogged everything down. And it wasn't like he was playing terribly or anything. Quite the opposite, in fact. It's just his play style is so specific and sluggish. It felt as though every time Detroit got rolling, a 20-second sequence centered around dumping down to Greg Monroe and watching him pound away would squash everything out.

[buddha]

zaza paculia was underrated for them last year. look at how he has been carrying the mavs. dude's a winner.

[Milbuck]

I cannot recall, is this how you've felt about Greg Monroe from the get-go? Because it's pretty much exactly how I felt about him in Detroit.

One can acknowledge all of Monroe's skills in a vacuum -- he's very savvy in the post, rebounds pretty well, slightly above average post passer -- yet somehow it seems he can be detriment to the success of basketball teams.

In Detroit he just bogged everything down. And it wasn't like he was playing terribly or anything. Quite the opposite, in fact. It's just his play style is so specific and sluggish. It felt as though every time Detroit got rolling, a 20-second sequence centered around dumping down to Greg Monroe and watching him pound away would squash everything out.
Nah, I was willing to give him a chance. When you're paying a guy a 3 year max you kinda have to force yourself to like him haha. Think I've seen enough now though. You're right he's a good player, but not good enough to compensate for the awful fit. He just can't fit with young, athletic beasts that want to play fast. Giannis, Jabari, and Middleton are tailor made for a run and gun offense but Monroe just sloooooooowwwwws it down so much. It's nice in games like the one against Golden State where things get intense and you NEED a bucket, and you can just dump it down to him in the low post and he can make something happen...but overall over 82 games it makes it really difficult to maximize the talent of your young guys.

The bolded happens every. single. night. Can't tell you how many times Monroe is on the bench and we have Giannis/Middleton/Jabari/MCW running the other team to death, then we bring Monroe back in and dump it down to him like 5 straight possessions and it kills all the momentum. Even if he scores, it slows down the game immensely and takes the guys mentioned out of their rhythm. It'd be worthwhile if we were meant to play like that (like Memphis of years past) but on our team it's just so forced and unnecessary at times.

[Euroleague]

Giannis is better than Spanoulis ever was dude. You need to just accept it.

"Giannis" was Greece's 7th option at EuroBasket.

He was not even an average player with Greece, considering he was the guy left wide open the whole time, so teams could double team Spanoulis.

No one in EuroBasket respected "Giannis" at all.

You just need to accept it and move on.

It's really sad that you act like you know so much about "Giannis", and yet you can't even get his name right.

"Giannis" can't dribble, "Giannis" can't shoot, "Giannis" can't create his own shot in half court set offense, "Giannis" is a horrific team defender.

He is nothing remotely near to being a good player.

[Milbuck]

:cry:
Giannis is better than Spanoulis ever was dude. You need to just accept it.

[Euroleague]

Giannis is better than Spanoulis ever was dude. You need to just accept it.

You have said just in this thread that "Giannis", who has no offensive skills, who can't score, who can't pass, who can't dribble, who can't shoot - is a good player.

You have also said just in this thread that Zaza Pachulia is a good player - when in fact, he is one of the biggest scrubs that ever stepped on an NBA court.

Seriously, you are a bigger troll even than 3ball.

[jayfan]

The Knight/MCW move was a complete disaster.





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[Milbuck]

You have said just in this thread that "Giannis", who has no offensive skills, who can't score, who can't pass, who can't dribble, who can't shoot - is a good player.

You have also said just in this thread that Zaza Pachulia is a good player - when in fact, he is one of the biggest scrubs that ever stepped on an NBA court.

Seriously, you are a bigger troll even than 3ball.
Let's play a game called "pick the player that can't score"! Ready?

Player A: 3 ppg on 31% FG
Player B: 16 ppg on 51% FG

Go!

[masonanddixon]

They lost Ilyasova and Pachulia, who were probably their two best and smartest players.

[Legends66NBA7]

Poor spacing for offense and not enough interior for defense. They are missing the hard nosed veterans from last season.

[bluechox2]

east got better, bucks never really improved last year, just caught teams even worse, off guard