Kobe vs TNT

[9erempiree]

Amazing.

More than Shaq and company.

http://i.imgur.com/nSXKfv3.jpg

[Dr Hawk]

More missed shots than all of them combined too?

[9erempiree]

More missed shots than all of them combined too?
:facepalm

You do know he's the greatest scorer of all time right?

Top 5 in history.

It's expected.

[Dr Hawk]

:facepalm

You do know he's the greatest scorer of all time right?

Top 5 in history.

It's expected.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[VengefulAngel]

:facepalm

You do know he's the greatest scorer of all time right?

Top 5 in history.

It's expected.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[dhsilv]

:facepalm

You do know he's the greatest scorer of all time right?

Top 5 in history.

It's expected.

At what point is scoring no longer adding value? Isn't that the real issue?

[Dr Hawk]

Better scorers than Kobe, no order:

Jordan
Shaq
Barkley
West
Kareem
Lebron
Wilt
Dantley

I might take Bird too

[ShawkFactory]

:facepalm

You do know he's the greatest scorer of all time right?

Top 5 in history.

It's expected.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Gus Hemmingway]

:facepalm

You do know he's the greatest scorer of all time right?

Top 5 in history.

It's expected.


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[aj1987]

:facepalm

You do know he's the greatest scorer of all time right?

Top 5 in history.

It's expected.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

LeBron, the dude who can't hit jumpers, scores more than him. Career, peak, and prime.

[TheMarkMadsen]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

LeBron, the dude who can't hit jumpers, scores more than him. Career, peak, and prime.

Peak Kobe = 35 ppg

Peak Lebron = 31ppg

Prime Kobe = 32 ppg

Prme Lebron = 30ppg

Kobe career points = 32,982

Lebron career points = 25,657

we can use ppg for their career when Lebron is 37 and about to retire

[sportjames23]

More missed shots than all of them combined too?


Damn. :oldlol:

[Dr Hawk]

Peak Kobe = 35 ppg

Peak Lebron = 31ppg

Prime Kobe = 32 ppg

Prme Lebron = 30ppg

Kobe career points = 32,982

Lebron career points = 25,657

we can use ppg for their career when Lebron is 37 and about to retire

Through 19 to 31 years old

Kobe: 26.6 on .456 FG%
Lebron: 27.3 on .496 FG%

Better scorer? Lebron

[SouBeachTalents]

:facepalm

You do know he's the greatest scorer of all time right?

Top 5 in history.

It's expected.

Regular season
Jordan: 32 ppg on 51%
Kobe: 27 ppg 46%

Playoffs
Jordan: 33 ppg 49%
Kobe: 27 ppg 45%

Finals
Jordan: 34 ppg 49%
Kobe: 25 ppg 41%

[TheMarkMadsen]

Through 19 to 31 years old

Kobe: 26.6 on .456 FG%
Lebron: 27.3 on .496 FG%

Better scorer? Lebron

peak = Kobe (35ppg vs 31)

prime = Kobe (32ppg vs 30)

career = Kobe 32,000+ vs 25,000+

[aj1987]

Peak Kobe = 35 ppg

Peak Lebron = 31ppg

Prime Kobe = 32 ppg

Prme Lebron = 30ppg

Kobe career points = 32,982

Lebron career points = 25,657

we can use ppg for their career when Lebron is 37 and about to retire
:roll: :roll:

Peak Kobe = 1st round exit (blew a 3-1 lead)

Prime Kobe = 1st round exit

Kobe career = 25 PPG

LeBron career = 27 PPG

Hold this L, little man.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Peak Kobe = 1st round exit (blew a 3-1 lead)
Prime Kobe = 1st round exit

Are we talking about scoring or their supporting cast/ competition between conferences? Because if you wanna switch the convo from scoring to how good their supporting cast was you already lost the argument since you have to change topics :oldlol: :oldlol: Hold this L



Kobe career = 25 PPG
LeBron career = 27 PPG

pretty smart to compare career averages of a guy who is still in his prime to another who is about to retire

Melo = 25.1 ppg

KAJ = 24.6

Melo's the better scorer right?



Kobe @ 30 in the playoffs = 30ppg on 23 FGA

Lebron @ 30 in the playoffs = 30ppg on 27 FGA


and just to make you even more salty

Kobe during the 06 & 07 season = 45 forty point games

Dwayne Wade's entire career = 34 fort point games

[Dr Hawk]

Are we talking about scoring or their supporting cast/ competition between conferences? Because if you wanna switch the convo from scoring to how good their supporting cast was you already lost the argument since you have to change topics :oldlol: :oldlol: Hold this L



pretty smart to compare career averages of a guy who is still in his prime to another who is about to retire

Melo = 25.1 ppg

KAJ = 24.6

Melo's the better scorer right?



Kobe @ 30 in the playoffs = 30ppg on 23 FGA

Lebron @ 30 in the playoffs = 30ppg on 27 FGA


and just to make you even more salty

Kobe during the 06 & 07 season = 45 forty point games

Dwayne Wade's entire career = 34 fort point games


Yeah, that's why I posted this:


Through 19 to 31 years old

Kobe: 26.6 on .456 FG%
Lebron: 27.3 on .496 FG%

Better scorer? Lebron

The difference is not huge, but Lebron is the better scorer

[Lebronxrings]

:facepalm

You do know he's the greatest scorer of all time right?

Top 5 in history.

It's expected.
:roll: :lol

[Showtime2001]

:roll: :roll:

Peak Kobe = 1st round exit (blew a 3-1 lead)

Prime Kobe = 1st round exit

Kobe career = 25 PPG

LeBron career = 27 PPG

Hold this L, little man.
Clearly you are mad just accept the L and move on.

:lol

[SwayDizzle]

The only player that can be argued against Kobe being the greatest scorer of all time is MJ. AND ITS CLOSE

[Mr Feeny]

Amazing.

More than Shaq and company.

http://i.imgur.com/nSXKfv3.jpg

How many 40 point playoff games?

Jordan has the most all time followed by Jerry west with 20, and
LEBRON James is 3rd all time with 16.

Thats incredible. How many does Kobe have in the playoffs where it really counts?

[Smook B]

:facepalm

You do know he's the greatest scorer of all time right?

Top 5 in history.

It's expected.

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/lol_idi_amin.gif

[aj1987]

Are we talking about scoring or their supporting cast/ competition between conferences? Because if you wanna switch the convo from scoring to how good their supporting cast was you already lost the argument since you have to change topics :oldlol: :oldlol: Hold this L
Just because Kobe was allowed to shoot 30 times a game to score 35 doesn't mean that was his peak. '08 probably was his peak. How are you Kobe stan and not know anything about him.



pretty smart to compare career averages of a guy who is still in his prime to another who is about to retire

Melo = 25.1 ppg

KAJ = 24.6

Melo's the better scorer right?



Kobe @ 30 in the playoffs = 30ppg on 23 FGA

Lebron @ 30 in the playoffs = 30ppg on 27 FGA
30+ PPG seasons:

Kobe - 3 in 20 years
LeBron - 2 in 13 years

First 13 seasons:

Kobe - 25 PPG
LeBron 27 PPG

Kobe - 8 seasons with 25+ PPG
LeBron 12 seasons with 25+ PPG

LeBron - 25,657 points
Kobe - 21,519 points

In the PO's over first 13 seasons:

Kobe - 4381 points
LeBron - 5020 points

Kobe - 25 PPG
LeBron 28 PPG

PO runs with 500+ points:

Kobe - 5 in 20 years
Lebron - 5 in 12 years


and just to make you even more salty


Kobe during the 06 & 07 season = 45 forty point games

Dwayne Wade's entire career = 34 fort point games
Kobe's unquestionably a better scorer than Wade? :confusedshrug:

Why would that make me mad?


Clearly you are mad just accept the L and move on.

:lol
Clearly you are too stupid to even refute anything I said. Can't expect anything more from a braindead Kobe turd though.

[Mr Feeny]

Regular season
Jordan: 32 ppg on 51%
Kobe: 27 ppg 46%

Playoffs
Jordan: 33 ppg 49%
Kobe: 27 ppg 45%

Finals
Jordan: 34 ppg 49%
Kobe: 25 ppg 41%

These numbers are wrong. Kobe is only a 25 ppg scorer on 44.9%fg in the regular season.

[Mr Feeny]

Just because Kobe was allowed to shoot 30 times a game to score 35 doesn't mean that was his peak. '08 probably was his peak. How are you Kobe stan and not know anything about him.



LeBron
30+ PPG seasons:

Kobe - 3 in 20 years
LeBron - 2 in 13 years

First 13 seasons:

Kobe - 25 PPG
LeBron 27 PPG

Kobe - 8 seasons with 25+ PPG
LeBron 12 seasons with 25+ PPG

LeBron - 25,657 points
Kobe - 21,519 points

In the PO's over first 13 seasons:

Kobe - 4381 points
LeBron - 5020 points

Kobe - 25 PPG
LeBron 28 PPG

PO runs with 500+ points:

Kobe - 5 in 20 years
Lebron - 5 in 12 years


Kobe's unquestionably a better scorer than Wade? :confusedshrug:

Why would that make me mad?

Excellent research. Lebron will also pass Kobe in playoff points by next year barring any injury. Remarkable.
He might even challenge MJ and reach the number 1 spot when its all said and done.

[SouBeachTalents]

These numbers are wrong. Kobe is only a 25 ppg scorer on 44.9%fg in the regular season.

I didn't include his first 2 seasons when he barely played, or his last 3 as a shell of himself. Ditto for Jordan's Wizards seasons

[dubeta]

LOL Kobe is a career 44% shooter


None of his scoring 'feats' even matter given that disastrous percentage






That's before even getting into the fact that 95% of his 'scoring prowess' came when he was statpadding on an awful team




He's not top 15 all-time, just let it go.

[SouBeachTalents]

LOL Kobe is a career 44% shooter


None of his scoring 'feats' even matter given that disastrous percentage






That's before even getting into the fact that 95% of his 'scoring prowess' came when he was statpadding on an awful team




He's not top 15 all-time, just let it go.

LeBron's shot less than that in two Finals ('07 & '15), and just a fraction above that in another ('13)

[dubeta]

LeBron's shot less than that in two Finals ('07 & '15), and just a fraction above that in another ('13)

And Kobe shot less than that in 6 out of 7 finals

:confusedshrug:




IMO you just made my point for me

[Mr Feeny]

LeBron's shot less than that in two Finals ('07 & '15), and just a fraction above that in another ('13)

And Kobe has shot less than that in 6 finals. Why is that important?

Lebron is a 49.5%fg career scorer and Kobe is a 44%fg career scorer. Thats a significant difference as the Lebron stan already pointed out

[Mr Feeny]

And Kobe shot less than that in 6 out of 7 finals

:confusedshrug:




IMO you just made my point for me

Yeah. I dont know what he was on about. Just a weird point.

[dubeta]

Yeah. I dont know what he was on about. Just a weird point.

Yea you can't compare Finals FG% to the regular season


Kobe being a 40% career Finals shooter is appalling, especially since he only scores 24ppg in the Finals


Heck, LeBron averaged 36 ppg on 40% in the Finals and he was getting destroyed for it.

[Cold soul]

Better scorers than Kobe, no order:

Jordan
Shaq
Barkley
West
Kareem
Lebron
Wilt
Dantley

I might take Bird too


Lol no this is trolling. Kobe best pure scorer I've ever seen play not most efficient but only MJ and Wilt rival Kobe scoring ability.

[Cold soul]

The only player that can be argued against Kobe being the greatest scorer of all time is MJ. AND ITS CLOSE


Only Jordan and Wilt for me nobody else really has a case maybe Kareem?

[JohnFreeman]

Why is there a girl in the picture? How embarrassing

[Dr Hawk]

Lol no this is trolling. Kobe best pure scorer I've ever seen play not most efficient but only MJ and Wilt rival Kobe scoring ability.

Trolling?

Kareem: 34.8 on .57
Shaq: 29 on .60
Lebron: 27 on .57
Dantley: 30 on .55
West: 31 on .49
Barkley: 28 on .58

No, definitely not trolling. Better scorers than Kobe

[Cold soul]

Trolling?

Kareem: 34.8 on .57
Shaq: 29 on .60
Lebron: 27 on .57
Dantley: 30 on .55
West: 31 on .49
Barkley: 28 on .58

No, definitely not trolling. Better scorers than Kobe

Lol names like Lebron, West, Barkley, Dantely. :roll: :roll: :roll:

I strongly disagree but believe whatever you want that doesn't make it true.

[Dr Hawk]

Lol names like Lebron, West, Barkley, Dantely. :roll: :roll: :roll:

I strongly disagree but believe whatever you want that doesn't make it true.

Why lol @ those names?

Look at Dantley, for instance:

7 years: 29.6 on .562 FG% .632 TS%

BEAST

[Bless Mathews]

Meanwhile mj the goat is laughing at kobes stats.

Not even close

Goat gonna goat.

11 full seasons with Bulls against 20 also.

:lol

[catch24]

Trolling?

Kareem: 34.8 on .57
Shaq: 29 on .60
Lebron: 27 on .57
Dantley: 30 on .55
West: 31 on .49
Barkley: 28 on .58

No, definitely not trolling. Better scorers than Kobe

It's trolling to say ALL those guys were/are better scorers than Kobe. Especially Barkley, LeBron and Dantley all whom Kobe dworfs in point totals, scoring records and peak PPG.

Once Kobe became "The Man" of his teams, in his prime, dude averaged ~30ppg on 56%TS. Those numbers rival Jordan's scoring stats from 1996-1998.

[dubeta]

It's trolling to say ALL those guys were/are better scorers than Kobe. Especially Barkley, LeBron and Dantley all whom Kobe dworfs in point totals, scoring records and peak PPG.

Once Kobe became "The Man" of his teams, in his prime, dude averaged ~30ppg on 56%TS. Those numbers rival Jordan's scoring stats from 1996-1998.

Point totals are soley due to longevity


And Kobe's peak scoring came on some horrible teams while he was going to the lottery/losing in the 1st round


So those don't even matter



If you look at Kobe's career regular season, playoffs, and finals scoring, it is not very impressive, in fact its kinda ordinary, especially with his piss poor efficiency

[Cold soul]

It's trolling to say ALL those guys were/are better scorers than Kobe. Especially Barkley, LeBron and Dantley all whom Kobe dworfs in point totals, scoring records and peak PPG.

Once Kobe became "The Man" of his teams, in his prime, dude averaged ~30ppg on 56%TS. Those numbers rival Jordan's scoring stats from 1996-1998.


Agreed. Kobe when on fire from outside is greatest scorer in NBA history not that close either. Kobe scoring ability rivals Jordan at least to me in any order Jordan, Kobe, and Wilt are three best scorers in NBA history.

[catch24]

Point totals are soley due to longevity


And Kobe's peak scoring came on some horrible teams while he was going to the lottery/losing in the 1st round

How is the bold even relevant to the OP? This is about scoring correct? Anyway that still doesn't negate the scoring records and 40, 50 and 60 point games Kobe has on the players I singled out.


If you look at Kobe's career regular season, playoffs, and finals scoring, it is not very impressive, in fact its kinda ordinary, especially with his piss poor efficiency

Depending on what you look at, most stats actually favor Kobe pretty well. By all objective data he's one of the greatest scorers in history. :confusedshrug:

[Cold soul]

How is the bold even relevant to the OP? This is about scoring correct? Anyway that still doesn't negate the scoring records and 40, 50 and 60 point games Kobe has on the player I singled out.



Depending on what you look at, most stats actually favor Kobe pretty well. By all objective data he's one of the greatest scorers in history. :confusedshrug:

I'm curious who are your top five best scorers in NBA history?

[dubeta]

How is the bold even relevant to the OP? This is about scoring correct? Anyway that still doesn't negate the scoring records and 40, 50 and 60 point games Kobe has on the players I singled out.



Depending on what you look at, most stats actually favor Kobe pretty well. By all objective data he's one of the greatest scorers in history. :confusedshrug:

"one of" as in top 20-25 scorer? You might have an argument

[catch24]

"one of" as in top 20-25 scorer? You might have an argument

This guy. :oldlol: Lets just pretend you're being serious here.

[ShawkFactory]

This guy. :oldlol: Lets just pretend you're being serious here.
His gimmick is to say outlandish things. But those outlandish things are too outlandish to even make sense or been even remotely arguable.

It's amazing to me that people respond to him still and think he could possibly be serious.

[catch24]

I'm curious who are your top five best scorers in NBA history?

Probably something like this

1. Jordan
2A. KAJ
2B. Wilt
4A. Kobe
4B. Shaq

I believe the top 3 are indisputable, and after that its gets pretty subjective. If we're going by body of work then Kobe is without question a top 5 scorer all time.

Durant could be argued in there if we're being honest.


His gimmick is to say outlandish things. But those outlandish things are too outlandish to even make sense or been even remotely arguable.

It's amazing to me that people respond to him still and think he could possibly be serious.

Yeah.. consider this the last exchange I have with that clown. Smack dab into my ignore list he goes. :oldlol:

[Showtime2001]

Clearly you are too stupid to even refute anything I said. Can't expect anything more from a braindead Kobe turd though.
You refuting nothing thats why you changed the subject accept the L and move on kid.

:oldlol:

[Young X]

People don't mention Barkley enough when talking about greatest scorers. He's as good as anybody besides:

Jordan
Kareem
Chamberlain
Durant

[SpecialQue]

This fvcking image again?

Lisa Leslie is on that picture. Do you not realize that adding WNBA players to this list actually makes Kobe's achievement look LESS impressive?

[Round Mound]

:no: Barkley was a better scorer than Kobe. Especially in the play-offs

Barkley was the most dominant inside the 3-pointline offensive player prior to the arrival of Shaq.

Career 21.6 PPG on 58.13% taking only 12.9 Two-Point FGAs PG (Season)
Career 22.5 PPG on 55.13% taking only 14.5 Two-Point FGAs PG (Play-Offs)

:bowdown:

[tmacattack33]

Shaq and Barkley were efficient players and never got to (and never wanted to...knowing that that is now how you win games) chuck up 30 shots per game like Kobe on the 2005-2008 Lakers before Gasol got there (which is where 70% of Kobe's 40 point games come from).

[Mr Feeny]

Shaq and Barkley were efficient players and never got to (and never wanted to...knowing that that is now how you win games) chuck up 30 shots per game like Kobe on the 2005-2008 Lakers before Gasol got there (which is where 70% of Kobe's 40 point games come from).

It doesn't make them worst scorers.

I'd Shaq gets you 24 ppg on 57%fg and Kobe gets you 25 ppg on 44.9%fg for their careers, only a drunk man would take Kobe over Shaq.

[ShaqTwizzle]

only a drunk man would take Kobe over Shaq.

Obviously.
Prime for Prime Shaq was a much better scorer and even Peak for Peak he has the clear edge.

Prime Playoff stats (10 years each)

Shaq (94-03) = 28.1 on .568%TS
Kobe (00-10) = 27.8 on .545%TS

40pt playoff games over those
spans

Shaq = 11
Kobe = 10

Highest series average

Shaq = 38.0-ppg
Kobe = 35.0-ppg


Kobe had more volume gunner games in the reg-season against mostly fodder competition.
Who cares?

Iverson has the same achievement.
Doesn't make Allen a better scorer then Shaq or Kareem.
:pimp:

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Jordan, Kareem & Shaq are my Top 3 GOAT scorer's.

[Mr Feeny]

Obviously.
Prime for Prime Shaq was a much better scorer and even Peak for Peak he has the clear edge.

Prime Playoff stats (10 years each)

Shaq (94-03) = 28.1 on .568%TS
Kobe (00-10) = 27.8 on .545%TS

40pt playoff games over those
spans

Shaq = 11
Kobe = 10

Highest series average

Shaq = 38.0-ppg
Kobe = 35.0-ppg


Kobe had more volume gunner games in the reg-season against mostly fodder competition.
Who cares?

Iverson has the same achievement.
Doesn't make Allen a better scorer then Shaq or Kareem.
:pimp:

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Jordan, Kareem & Shaq are my Top 3 GOAT scorer's.

Excellent research. Iverson also did it in the playoffs with 3 50 point games, if that's the route Kobe fanboys want to go at.

As far as comparing Kobe to a man who averaged 38 ppg on 60%fg in NBA finals without batting an eyelid, that's so laughable it's almost not worth responding to.
Shaq forced opposition defenses to contain him, creating choas and leaving unmarked laker players everywhere. You can make an argument that nobody in NBA history was as unguardable as the guy in his prime. A 25 ppg scorer on 44%fg is not only no where near him, but it's almost insulting to mention him in the same breath as Shaquille as a scorer.

[3ball]

.
Kobe's HIGHEST points per 100 possessions in playoffs: 40.7 (2012)

Jordan's LOWEST points per 100 possessions in playoffs: 41.1 (1995)

(this excludes Jordan's rookie year)


Basically, Kobe's very best wouldn't rank anywhere in Jordan's career, not even his baseball comeback year

[kennethgriffin]

:no: Barkley was a better scorer than Kobe. Especially in the play-offs

Barkley was the most dominant inside the 3-pointline offensive player prior to the arrival of Shaq.

Career 21.6 PPG on 58.13% taking only 12.9 Two-Point FGAs PG (Season)
Career 22.5 PPG on 55.13% taking only 14.5 Two-Point FGAs PG (Play-Offs)

:bowdown:


man will you please shut the **** up about charles barkley

atleast when i talk about kobe i have billions of people who share my opinion

you dont even have charles himself on your side
:lol