Draymond Green is getting overrated just like Noah got overrated few years back

[livinglegend]

He is a shane battier/Boris Diaw type of player and people in here are acting like he's a superstar.
Can't create for himself, overrated defender and rebounder. His assists are mostly because of the system warriors run.
Can't wait for a great coach to expose him in the playoffs just like Blatt did for most of the finals.

[zizozain]

let me guess .. lebron stan?

[livinglegend]

lebron stan?
no

[inclinerator]

noah wasnt overrated he was really good then got injured

[livinglegend]

noah wasnt overrated he was really good then got injured

He was overrated.
His defense was overrated. Nene basically butt raped him in the playoffs.
His passing ability was also overrated. He made the same bounce pass to the cutter all time, and everyone went like wowowowwow. :facepalm
His offensive game always sucked.

[Straight_Ballin]

"warriors system"

Nope, he'd be doing the same in other systems also.

[Naero]

How was Joakim Noah overrated? It sounds like you're conflating the word "overrated" with "underachieving for All-Star expectations."

As far as the media- and fanbase-driven narratives go, I've only ever seen Noah vaunted for his defense, rebounding, hustle activity and passing - all of which he has been proficient at and merited credit for. I think the masses have acknowledged his scoring deficiencies, and I haven't seen many try to embellish him as a superstar based on his realistic proficiencies.

As for Green: those overrating mostly all revolve around the same roundabout agenda in belittling Curry's leadership impact; aside from them, fans and media with any semblance of rationality don't overesteem him beyond being Curry's versatile sidekick, as he's started to supplant Klay Thompson as the second-beat player on the team.

[Milbuck]

He was overrated.
His defense was overrated. Nene basically butt raped him in the playoffs.
His passing ability was also overrated. He made the same bounce pass to the cutter all time, and everyone went like wowowowwow. :facepalm
His offensive game always sucked.
Dude was playing pretty much on one leg that Wizards series. He had to have surgery immediately after and he looked like trash the entire next season because his knees were shot. Before those injuries when he was healthy that year (13-14) he was an absolute beast, you're talking out of your ass on this one.

[livinglegend]

How was Joakim Noah overrated? It sounds like you're conflating the word "overrated" with "underachieving for All-Star expectations."

As far as the media- and fanbase-driven narratives go, I've only ever seen Noah vaunted for his defense, rebounding, hustle activity and passing - all of which he has been proficient at and merited credit for. I think the masses have acknowledged his scoring deficiencies, and I haven't seen many try to embellish him as a superstar based on his realistic proficiencies.

As for Green: those overrating mostly all revolve around the same roundabout agenda in belittling Curry's leadership impact; aside from them, fans and media with any semblance of rationality don't overesteem him beyond being Curry's versatile sidekick, as he's started to supplant Klay Thompson as the second-beat player on the team.

He got MVP mentions when a player of his caliber shouldn't. His DPOY was totally undeserved. He got overrated really bad by the media that year.

[zizozain]

no
ok
Draymond Green was absolutely sensational the whole playoffs.


at center he has carried Warriors from down 1-2 to 4-2 in the NBA Finals

(a triple-double in a title-clincher)


the only 5x5 player in the last 4-5 years

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Y_7pqxr3gBI/hqdefault.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_7pqxr3gBI


Huge Triple Doubles this season

[livinglegend]

ok
Draymond Green was absolutely sensational the whole playoffs.


at center he has carried Warriors from down 1-2 to 4-2 in the NBA Finals

(a triple-double in a title-clincher)


the only 5x5 player in the last 4-5 years

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Y_7pqxr3gBI/hqdefault.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_7pqxr3gBI


Huge Triple Doubles this season

:facepalm
How exactly he carried them with his 13ppg on 38% FG?
Curry and Iggy were clearly more important than him on the team.

[Milbuck]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=332712&page=2

Pretty much EVERYONE at the time (except Pauk lol) thought Noah's DPOY was well deserved. And it was. But yeah, because he got hurt and had a poor playoff showing because of it it totally devalues his entire season before that.

[livinglegend]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=332712&page=2

Pretty much EVERYONE at the time (except Pauk lol) thought Noah's DPOY was well deserved. And it was. But yeah, because he got hurt and had a poor playoff showing because of it it totally devalues his entire season before that.

Yeah I remember the media brainwashing everyone about Noah.
He had one great defensive game against Miami on national TV toward the end of the year and then the whole DPOY Noah campaign started.
And stop with the injury excuses. As soon as he got exposed, the injury excuses started. Before that, he was chill.

[MP.Trey]

The difference is Noah wasn't winning championships and winning games at an all-time level.

[livinglegend]

The difference is Noah wasn't winning championships and winning games at an all-time level.

Noah is a new NBA team?

[1987_Lakers]

He is a shane battier/Boris Diaw type of player and people in here are acting like he's a superstar.
Can't create for himself, overrated defender and rebounder. His assists are mostly because of the system warriors run.
Can't wait for a great coach to expose him in the playoffs just like Blatt did for most of the finals.

Scouting report out of Michigan state

One area where Green continues to excel is with his passing. Though his assist/turnover ratio is less impressive this year as in the past, watching him facilitate the offense in transition, out of the low post, and even as the team's traditional point guard in half court sets is remarkable. So, too, is his ability to seemingly seamlessly adjust to new personnel. Though Michigan State fields a very inexperienced roster without much initial chemistry, Green, in particular, has an uncanny ability to get his teammates the ball in ideal positions to score. NBA decision makers will like the versatility he displays as a shooter and passer, not to mention his above average ball-handling skills and basketball IQ,

[qrich]

Green is more like a Shawn Marion/Andrei Kirilenko type than Diaw/Battier.

Though, I do agree, he is getting vastly overrated.

[Milbuck]

Yeah I remember the media brainwashing everyone about Noah.
He had one great defensive game against Miami on national TV toward the end of the year and then the whole DPOY Noah campaign started.
And stop with the injury excuses. As soon as he got exposed, the injury excuses started. Before that, he was chill.
Is the media the reason he was #1 in DRTG in the league, #1 in DWS, #2 in DBPM? I guess the Bulls were the 2nd ranked defense (and BY FAR #1 after the AS break) because of Mike Dunleavy, not because they were entirely built around Noah or anything.

And he literally had surgery after the series. There is nothing fake about it. He got an MRI and then the surgery. The dude was hurt, period. This isn't some BS "soreness" or anything. His knees were bone on bone.

[Fallen Angel]

He was overrated.
His defense was overrated. Nene basically butt raped him in the playoffs.
No he wasn't, and Noah was injured in the postseason.


His passing ability was also overrated. He made the same bounce pass to the cutter all time, and everyone went like wowowowwow. :facepalm
He led the Bulls in APG at center, he was their point center and without Noah the Bulls would be clueless offensively.


His offensive game always sucked.
That's true besides his passing

[Fallen Angel]

Noah was the best center in the league that year he won DPOY. His injury really killed everything he had as a player.

That was basically fact. If you think otherwise then you either had an agenda or just didn't watch the Bulls back then.

[Milbuck]

He led the Bulls in APG at center, he was their point center and without Noah the Bulls would be clueless offensively.

Yup. He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, or considering he's a Lebron guy his agenda is understandable. The Bulls after Rose went down again were a complete mess. They started running the offense through Noah almost as a point-center like you said and he averaged 14/12 with 7 assists per game as a center after New Years. Couldn't find records for all teams post New Years but after the AS break Chicago had the 3rd best record and far away best defense on the back of Noah. Dude deserved every bit of praise he got. He turned that team around.

[livinglegend]

Is the media the reason he was #1 in DRTG in the league, #1 in DWS, #2 in DBPM? I guess the Bulls were the 2nd ranked defense (and BY FAR #1 after the AS break) because of Mike Dunleavy, not because they were entirely built around Noah or anything.

And he literally had surgery after the series. There is nothing fake about it. He got an MRI and then the surgery. The dude was hurt, period. This isn't some BS "soreness" or anything. His knees were bone on bone.

Their coach was the main reason why they were so good defensively, not Noah.
Dude was hurt? When exactly did he get hurt because he looked fine before Nene butt raped him? Did it happen during the process?

[livinglegend]

Yup. He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, or considering he's a Lebron guy his agenda is understandable. The Bulls after Rose went down again were a complete mess. They started running the offense through Noah almost as a point-center like you said and he averaged 14/12 with 7 assists per game as a center after New Years. Couldn't find records for all teams post New Years but after the AS break Chicago had the 3rd best record and far away best defense on the back of Noah. Dude deserved every bit of praise he got. He turned that team around.

ahahahah point center:oldlol: You are talking like he run the offense like CP3. All he did was make simple passes that any center with average passing skills could make.
Bulls ran good plays and played well off-ball. That lead to easy Noah assists.

[Naero]

He got MVP mentions when a player of his caliber shouldn't. His DPOY was totally undeserved. He got overrated really bad by the media that year.

He was more of a placeholder in the MVP race than any serious candidate. The only seriously considered candidates were Kevin Durant and LeBron James, who garnered virtually all the first- and -second place votes of the race; beyond them, everyone else - including Noah himself - were placeholders in the race, and Noah skewed his way to the fourth-place standing with all the trailer-placed votes that were doled.

In each year's MVP race, there are always going to be 2-5 well-meritted competitors for the award, and there will be also-rans in the race who have no place in the discussion but exist simply because they need to apportion votes beyond any who deserve it.

Maybe Noah didn't deserve his fourth-place MVP-standing, but it doesn't speak resoundingly about his supposed "overratedness"
when it was just a product of a formality more than any firm belief in his MVP candidacy.

As for his supposedly undeserved DPoY award, who so you believe should have won it over him?

The DPoY awardees are rarely unanimous due to the anecdotality of the eye test, but they are rarely outrageous; it wasn't the case for Noah in the eyes of most pundits, either, and I haven't seen any strong argument to the contrary.

[Gileraracer]

GTFO u ugly lebron stan