The greatest jumpshooting performance in playoffs... EVER?

[3ball]

https://media.giphy.com/media/i2ytJpLr1t2AU/giphy.gif


Can you say..... TEXTBOOK??? (form)


Game 4 of 1993 ECF:. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoVMIZWS_-A&t=0m53s


Aside from a layup in the 3rd quarter, MJ scored 54 points ON ALL JUMPSHOTS against one of the best defenses of all time, and in the biggest playoff game of the year.

If MJ doesn't have a massive game in Game 4, the Bulls go down 3-1 and lose the series - the Knicks had contained MJ for 3 straight games and had a 2-1 lead with all the momentum.

They thought they had the formula to stopping MJ and you could tell from Riley/Starks/Oakley's reactions while MJ was going off - they REALLY thought they were going to win this game, but MJ was shocking the hell out of them.

Has anyone in history ever scored this much on ALL JUMPERS in the playoffs?.. And in this big of a game (the Bulls confidence and 3-peat was on the line).

Overall, MJ was 18-30 and 6-9 from three... 17 jumpshots in 39 minutes.
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[RRR3]

Curry

[Dr Hawk]

Michael Jordan :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[inclinerator]

michelle jordan

[sd3035]

typical of the no defense era, wide open shots

[Dr Hawk]

GOAT mid-range shooter

[raprap]

Lol @ the defense :oldlol:

[sd3035]

Lol @ the defense :oldlol:

Curry or Durant against that defense would drop 60 without breaking a sweat

[Young X]

This is most jumpshot happy version of Jordan. He definitely lost some explosiveness from the previous seasons. He had some big dunks but he drove to the basket less than usual and settled for jumpers more.

[Kblaze8855]

I loved that game. I included highlights of it in a video I made years ago on players just getting on fire....

This is one of those things we clearly dont have the evidence to really answer though. Rick Barry had a game he scored 64 with only 4 FTs. He probably made 25 jumpers. Not a playoff game but im talking general play style. He had huge scoring games on jumpers playoffs and otherwise. Without solid footage we will never know. Of recent games guys like Ray must come close:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFgPqYbpwI0


51 points and 9 3s. I saw 2 layups.

Didnt bother checking on how many FTs each of them took.

[catch24]

Playoff performances like these separated him from the pack - the ATG pack.


Lol @ the defense :oldlol:

Knicks defense was strong as hell, tbh. Don't know what you fools are smoking. :lol

[ClipperRevival]

Playoff performances like these separated him from the pack - the ATG pack.



Knicks defense was strong as hell, tbh. Don't know what you fools are smoking. :lol

They're smoking the "I am 15 so I never saw that era so I'll just sh't on them" stuff.

[jlip]

Of recent games guys like Ray must come close:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFgPqYbpwI0


51 points and 9 3s. I saw 2 layups.

Didnt bother checking on how many FTs each of them took.

This was the first game that came to my mind.

[Smoke117]

Too bad he couldn't hit a jump shot to save his life in the other 5 games of that series.

[3ball]

Of recent games guys like Ray must come close:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFgPqYbpwI0


51 points and 9 3s. I saw 2 layups.


Is this the best anyone can do?... Ray's team lost the game and he played 58 minutes (3 OT's).

He also shot 2 layups and a 5-foot floater, so he only made 15 jumpshots in 58 minutes.

Otoh, Jordan's team won the game and he played 39 minutes, making 17 jumpshots.

Jordan's is easily better... Also, can you really look at the hands-off, non-physical defense Ray faced and say it was as tough as what MJ faced?.. It's night and day.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe vs Suns WCF...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx02W5pc7yQ

Look at defenders draped all over him.

/thread

[JohnFreeman]

fiyahh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKSxMu8iSBs

[3ball]

fiyahh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKSxMu8iSBs
10 jumpshots doesn't compare to MJ's 17 jumpshots.

[Segatti]

Look at this midget, John Starks :lol


No way in hell Jordan is scoring 54 against a good modern defensive player like Kawhi Leonard or Iguodala.

[3ball]

Kobe vs Suns WCF...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx02W5pc7yQ

Look at defenders draped all over him.

/thread
He only had 37 points and only made 12 shots TOTAL, some of which were not jumpers...

and it was against literally the weakest defense of all time (late 2000's Phoenix Suns)... MJ wouldn't have even needed to shoot jumpers against that porous defense.. gimme a break..

Otoh, MJ scored 54 points, including 17 jumpshots in 39 minutes, on one of the best defenses ever.. He made 18 shots total.

So far itt, we have zero contenders, except possibly Rick Barry (mentioned by Kblaze earlier).. But honestly, Barry was a VERY strong player who scored a ton inside.. I doubt he hit mostly jumpers in his big game.
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[dankok8]

If anything, the 1993 ECF is a perfect example of why we shouldn't look at cumulative stats. This one gave really gave a boost to his series averages.

He scored 54 points on 60% shooting in Game 4.

He averaged 27.8 ppg on 35.2% shooting in the other five games of that series.

I'm not hating on Jordan and obviously even the GOAT can have bad games or stretches but 3-ball makes it sound like MJ's shit doesn't stink!

[Duffy Pratt]

Jerry West - Game 1 1969 finals. Can't find a video of it, so I don't know how many points were on drives or off the break. 53 points and it's a fairly safe bet that some of them were jump shots.

Can't for the life of me figure why taking nothing but jump shots would be considered a good thing. I prefer the Oscar Robertson idea that you should never settle for a 7 foot shot if you can get a five foot one.

[3ball]

If anything, the 1993 ECF is a perfect example of why we shouldn't look at cumulative stats. This one gave really gave a boost to his series averages.

He scored 54 points on 60% shooting in Game 4... He averaged 27.8 ppg on 35.2% shooting in the other five games of that series.

I'm not hating on Jordan and obviously even the GOAT can have bad games or stretches but 3-ball makes it sound like MJ's shit doesn't stink!


Oh, so let's ignore one of the best performances of all-time that occurred in the biggest game of the year?

Jordan CAME THROUGH when it mattered and proved he could obliterate that defense (and any defense, since he hit all jumpers), but we should ignore it?

Gimme a break... Jordan's overall stats in that series were the 2nd worst of his playoff career - and he still averaged 32.2/6.2/7.0 on 40.0%.

Let's look at the 2nd worst playoff series of Kobe, Lebron, Bird or anyone and compare to those stats... :rolleyes:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

3. Paul Pierce vs 2002 76ers (100.3 DEF RATING)


http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/146/258/RackMultipart.28901.0_display_image.jpg

46 points, 16 for 25, 8-10 3pt, 6 assists 41.6 GameScore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JALO4bC-ac8

2. Kobe Bryant vs 2001 Kings (99.6 DEF RATING)


http://espn.go.com/media/nba/2001/0517/photo/r_kobe_bryant_i.jpg

48 pts, 15 for 29, 17-19 FT, 16 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals 43.3 GameScore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpArN4LbTI0

1. Vince Carter vs 2001 76ers (98.9 DEF RATING)

http://i.cbc.ca/1.2840833.1416425051!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/carter-vince-1999-620.jpg

50 pts, 19 for 29, 9-13 from 3, 6 rebs, 7 assists, 4 blocks 46.8 GameScore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK9_dvZSoEA

[Sarcastic]

Lol @ the defense :oldlol:


That defense would hold Curry to single digits.

[Young X]

If anything, the 1993 ECF is a perfect example of why we shouldn't look at cumulative stats. This one gave really gave a boost to his series averages.

He scored 54 points on 60% shooting in Game 4.

He averaged 27.8 ppg on 35.2% shooting in the other five games of that series.

I'm not hating on Jordan and obviously even the GOAT can have bad games or stretches but 3-ball makes it sound like MJ's shit doesn't stink!This is actually kinda true especially for a small sample size like a 6 game series.

Another example is Westbrook's finals against Miami. If you just looked at his stats for the series they look good. But they were boosted by his phenomenal game 4. He didn't play well for the rest of the series.

[3ball]

even the GOAT can have bad games or stretches but 3-ball makes it sound like MJ's shit doesn't stink!


When you have 54 points in the biggest game of the year and save your team's 3-peat chances...........

yeah, your shit don't stink

[tmacattack33]

https://media.giphy.com/media/i2ytJpLr1t2AU/giphy.gif


Can you say..... TEXTBOOK??? (form)


Game 4 of 1993 ECF:. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoVMIZWS_-A&t=0m53s


Aside from a layup in the 3rd quarter, MJ scored 54 points ON ALL JUMPSHOTS against one of the best defenses of all time, and in the biggest playoff game of the year.

If MJ doesn't have a massive game in Game 4, the Bulls go down 3-1 and lose the series - the Knicks had contained MJ for 3 straight games and had a 2-1 lead with all the momentum.

They thought they had the formula to stopping MJ and you could tell from Riley/Starks/Oakley's reactions while MJ was going off - they REALLY thought they were going to win this game, but MJ was shocking the hell out of them.

Has anyone in history ever scored this much on ALL JUMPERS in the playoffs?.. And in this big of a game (the Bulls confidence and 3-peat was on the line).

Overall, MJ was 18-30 and 6-9 from three... 17 jumpshots in 39 minutes.
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Good...but Dirk's game from the 2011 WCF had better stats. He was like 17-23 or something, and 18-18 from the FT line.

And I didn't even look that up...it was one of the few playoff performances that doesn't just blend in with the rest for me. And I can remember watching it as it happened. It was wild. One legged fade-aways and all that.

[3ball]

Did Dirk take all jumpers?

[3ball]

Post the real stats and link to the game or don't bother.. This thread isn't for conjecture and "i think this happened" type stuff.

I'm genuinely interested if there is a better jumpshooting performance in the playoffs.

[tmacattack33]

Did Dirk take all jumpers?

No clue...but are you going to disqualify it if it were found Dirk had two lay-ups in that game?

[Kblaze8855]

Jerry West - Game 1 1969 finals. Can't find a video of it, so I don't know how many points were on drives or off the break. 53 points and it's a fairly safe bet that some of them were jump shots.

Can't for the life of me figure why taking nothing but jump shots would be considered a good thing. I prefer the Oscar Robertson idea that you should never settle for a 7 foot shot if you can get a five foot one.

I wouldnt say its exactly a good thing....just another way to score and no better than others...and as usual 3ball will pick through every example and downplay it like a maniac with no appreciation for anyone who isnt Jordan.....but it is amazing to see people get unstoppable levels of hot. Im reminded of Chick Hearn talking about Mullin having the best shooting night he ever saw...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4lEHHa6Tt8


41 points...he only took 21 shots. But he made 15 jumpers several of them wild pullup threes. He wasnt really pressing the issue looking to score big...he just didnt miss many.

His feet only enter the paint in one shot....and that was to beat the clock.

Guy just bombed away.

[tmacattack33]

Post the real stats and link to the game or don't bother.. This thread isn't for conjecture and "i think this happened" type stuff.

I'm genuinely interested if there is a better jumpshooting performance in the playoffs.

That game was only four years ago, and it was the best playoff game we've seen in the 2010's besides Lebron's Game 6 against Boston in 2012.

You don't remember it? :biggums:

[brain drain]

Post the real stats and link to the game or don't bother.. This thread isn't for conjecture and "i think this happened" type stuff.

I'm genuinely interested if there is a better jumpshooting performance in the playoffs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C05TMdwJyYo

48 pts on 15 fga. Dirk did't only score on jump shots, but the degree of difficulty of some of those shots was just off the charts and he kept making them.

[3ball]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C05TMdwJyYo

48 pts on 15 fga. Dirk did't only score on jump shots, but the degree of difficulty of some of those shots was just off the charts and he kept making them.


So you're saying Jordan's jumpers were easy?... Are you out of your mind?

Did you even watch Jordan's 54 point game linked in the OP?

Obviously, I'm going to have to post gifs of Jordan's shots (i posted one of them above already)..

You guys are ridiculous with your "my guy made high degree difficulty shots", as if Jordan didn't... what a joke

[kennethgriffin]

kobe vs phoenix game 6 in 2010

they were all shots that the defense "WANTED" him to take

high degree of difficulty on every single one



that or this game


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0bh6wSg_ks

[3ball]

kobe vs phoenix game 6 in 2010

they were all shots that the defense "WANTED" him to take

high degree of difficulty on every single one



that or this game


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0bh6wSg_ks
So you're saying Jordan's jumpers were easy?... Are you out of your mind?

Did you even watch Jordan's 54 point game linked in the OP?

Obviously, I'm going to have to post gifs of Jordan's shots (i posted one of them above already)..

You guys are ridiculous with your "my guy made high degree difficulty shots", as if Jordan didn't... what a joke

[TripleA]

Vince Carter vs Sixers Ecs 50 points
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK9_dvZSoEA

[kennethgriffin]

So you're saying Jordan's jumpers were easy?... Are you out of your mind?

Did you even watch Jordan's 54 point game linked in the OP?

Obviously, I'm going to have to post gifs of Jordan's shots (i posted one of them above already)..

You guys are ridiculous with your "my guy made high degree difficulty shots", as if Jordan didn't... what a joke


jordans a good shooter.


but not a great one

after 15 feet his toes started to point inward and his shot flattened out into more of a pushing motion


jordan just got so used to hanging in the air before shooting that he trained himself in a way where its counterproductive after a certain distance

which is why his long range shots and threes looked so damn awkward



kobe releases the ball at the top of his jump... thats why he was the more dangerous outside shooter

[3ball]

He scored 54 points on 60% shooting in Game 4.

He averaged 27.8 ppg on 35.2% shooting in the other five games of that series.

even the GOAT can have bad games or stretches but 3-ball makes it sound like MJ's shit doesn't stink!


The bolded above PROVES how good the Knicks' defense was - compare those stats to Jordan's career playoff averages........ pretty good defense huh?

But again, Jordan came through in the biggest game of the series (and had 29/10/14 the next game), proving he could obliterate that defense (and any defense, since he shot all jumpers).

Jordan's overall stats in that series were the 2nd worst of his playoff career - and he still averaged 32.2/6.2/7.0 on 40.0%.

Let's look at the 2nd worst playoff series of Kobe, Lebron, or Bird and compare to those stats... :rolleyes:
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[3ball]

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Contested pull-up over face-guard:


https://media.giphy.com/media/l9ygG4vVkr8EE/giphy.gif



Contested, stand-still pull-up after shaking off hand-check:


https://media.giphy.com/media/xORupQafH89s4/giphy.gif



Contested pull-up after hand-check contact:


https://media.giphy.com/media/Umkvt4DtA6s1y/giphy.gif



Contested pull-up:


https://media.giphy.com/media/14w8ql2R1SKM92/giphy.gif



Contested, stand-still pull-up after shaking off hand-check, falls down:


https://media.giphy.com/media/WRosFVWovXteg/giphy.gif



Contested quick catch-and-shoot:


https://media.giphy.com/media/Vpmj7yy2zBW3m/giphy.gif



Contested pull-up:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-13-2015/kZeK3Z.gif



There were plenty more - he made 17 jumpshots and only 4 were without the defender in his face and contesting.
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[Mr Feeny]

Yeah I have that game 4 against the Knicks on dvd and it was incredible to watch. Starts was literally SCRATCHING him, trying to keep up with him. They'd cut to Jordan back from timeouts showing us his bloody forearm. 7 or 8 threescore think.

Dirk with that ridiculous shooting game as impressive as well.
And Lebron's game 6 against Boston featured some impressive outside shooting.
Jordan in the closing game (Gm 4) against Shaq and the Magic in 96 was insane as well. 16-22 I believe with fade away after fadeaaway.

[sportjames23]

https://media.giphy.com/media/i2ytJpLr1t2AU/giphy.gif


Can you say..... TEXTBOOK??? (form)


Game 4 of 1993 ECF:. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoVMIZWS_-A&t=0m53s


Aside from a layup in the 3rd quarter, MJ scored 54 points ON ALL JUMPSHOTS against one of the best defenses of all time, and in the biggest playoff game of the year.

If MJ doesn't have a massive game in Game 4, the Bulls go down 3-1 and lose the series - the Knicks had contained MJ for 3 straight games and had a 2-1 lead with all the momentum.

They thought they had the formula to stopping MJ and you could tell from Riley/Starks/Oakley's reactions while MJ was going off - they REALLY thought they were going to win this game, but MJ was shocking the hell out of them.

Has anyone in history ever scored this much on ALL JUMPERS in the playoffs?.. And in this big of a game (the Bulls confidence and 3-peat was on the line).

Overall, MJ was 18-30 and 6-9 from three... 17 jumpshots in 39 minutes.
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Playoffs MJ...there's nothing more beautiful to watch. :bowdown:

These young cats ain't used to seeing domination like that in the post-season on a regular basis. Nikkas missed out.

[Mr Feeny]

Playoffs MJ...there's nothing more beautiful to watch. :bowdown:

These young cats ain't used to seeing domination like that in the post-season on a regular basis. Nikkas missed out.

Certainly, Kobe stans missed out. That's why he only has one 50 point playoff game and even that was an OT game against the no defense suns:lol

[Horatio33]

The way 3ball goes on, you'd think Jordan want the consensus GOAT. The lady doth protest too much.

[3ball]

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Why did Jordan need to take all jumpers to have a big game?

He had no choice - what is Jordan supposed to do in the play below??.. Run THROUGH defenders that are waiting in the paint?... Of course not - he had no choice but to pull-up for a jumper..

Since teams didn't have to guard the 3-point line as much, there were frequently too many defenders waiting in the paint for penetration to be physically possible.


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/7-13-2015/kZeK3Z.gif


But in today's era, the paint is never full of awaiting defenders because defenders must guard the 3-point line..

Furthermore, defensive 3 seconds forces defenders to vacate the paint within 3 seconds when their man leaves the paint (defenders must stay within armslength).

The open paint in today's game means penetration is never off-the-table like it was in previous eras.. This isn't just intuitive, it's obvious fact.

[sportjames23]

Certainly, Kobe stans missed out. That's why he only has one 50 point playoff game and even that was an OT game against the no defense suns:lol


Ouch. :oldlol:

[JohnFreeman]

Certainly, Kobe stans missed out. That's why he only has one 50 point playoff game and even that was an OT game against the no defense suns:lol
Holy. Shit.

[knicksman]

Brans 2015 finals. It was the best shooting display i have ever seen in my life

[Dom213]

A grocery store checkout boy was guarding Jordan. GOAT doe. KEK :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[StrongLurk]

A grocery store checkout boy was guarding Jordan. GOAT doe. KEK :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

You realize Hassan Whiteside also worked at a grocery store doing checkout.

He currently leads the leagues in blocks, the most in like 20 years, and also has a top 10 PER.

So yeah, grocery store boy.

[3ball]

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Thread Cliffs:

MJ is the only player to ever score 50+ on all jumpshots in the playoffs..

The closest thing anyone has produced that is verifiable, is Ray Allen's 51 point performance in 2009 vs. Chicago...

However, Ray took 3 non-jumpshots, his team lost, and he needed 58 minutes (3 OT's) to hit 15 jumpshots.. This doesn't compare to Jordan only needing 39 minutes to hit 17 jumpshots (and his team winning).

So thanks guys!!!!... I have the information I was looking for - no one itt was able to produce anything else that was equivalent, so Jordan's 54 point performance against the Knicks is the greatest jumpshooting performance of all time in the playoffs..

[diamenz]

A grocery store checkout boy was guarding Jordan. GOAT doe. KEK :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

actually, the whole team would guard jordan.