Does anyone else prefer the Prequels over The Force Awakens?

[GIF REACTION]

Phantom Menace TRASHES TFA

I'd go

1. Phantom
2. Revenge of the Sith
3. Clone Wars
4. TFA

Clone Wars and TFA are close, but i prefer the originality of the Clone Wars

[JohnFreeman]

Ewan Mcgregor was great

[GIF REACTION]

Ewan Mcgregor was great
:bowdown:

Ewen McGOATger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiZNSzWIaLo

Epic.

[JohnFreeman]

Only pencil necked geeks hate the prequels

Ewan McGregor was probably the best actor in all Star Wars, apart from maybe Alec Guiness

[GIF REACTION]

McGregor's evolution over the prequels is epic

He looked really young in the first one, and well seasoned in the last

[JohnFreeman]

https://40.media.tumblr.com/433231b2e6c3254602576026e96bcdf4/tumblr_o089krOOmY1v2art3o1_540.jpg

[Smook B]

Revenge of the Sith was the best out of the prequels.

[FrobeShaw]

So many tryhards

[Legends66NBA7]

I actually don't think Sith is far off from TFA. I don't hate any of the prequels either.

:oldlol: @ the rest being better.

[KiiiiNG]

Pretty sure every Star Wars movie sucks. Just the prequels were god-awful while the original trilogy was watchable for ****** 11 year olds.

Seriously some of the gayest movies ever. Even the anticipated showdowns were cringe worthy to say the least.

Star Wars hype: Two thumbs down. It was never good.

[Shade8780]

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[plowking]

There were bits in the prequels I really liked, though bits that were intolerable in all 3.

With the latest one, there really wasn't any bit that was boring or cringe worthy like the other 3.

It wasn't the best Star Wars movie, but it was better than episodes 1-3 simply for consistency. I guess it was also due to the fact we weren't entirely sure what was going to happen like in the first 3.

[enayes]

I enjoyed the prequels more than TFA, especially Phantom Menace.

I really don't see the hype with TFA, it was just okay in my opinion.

I was hoping to see more jedi action and there was barely any in TFA.

[~primetime~]

TFA blows the prequels away...

The interactions between Haden Christianson and Portman are some of the most cringe worthy pieces of cinema ever made. The writing and acting over is just so so so bad. Lucas put all of his efforts in CG, and none into dialog.

[GIF REACTION]

TFA blows the prequels away...

The interactions between Haden Christianson and Portman are some of the most cringe worthy pieces of cinema ever made. The writing and acting over is just so so so bad. Lucas put all of his efforts in CG, and none into dialog.
Bullshit.

Jew Jew Abrams was ALL about the shiny shit

There was no depth

Logic was blown out the window

And the story was pathetic and uninspired

[~primetime~]

Bullshit.

Jew Jew Abrams was ALL about the shiny shit

There was no depth

Logic was blown out the window

And the story was pathetic and uninspired
It's Star Wars it isn't supposed to have "logic"

Trying to explain the force with science is :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[GIF REACTION]

It's Star Wars it isn't supposed to have "logic"

Trying to explain the force with science is :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
I was talking about the story

:roll: :roll: :roll:

That's the movie in a nutshell. Absolutely ruin everything that made the original trilogy and all its characters so good

[hateraid]

The lightsaber fights in the prequels were better then any of the Star Wars fight scenes after that.
Quigon/Obi-Wan vs Maul
Arresting of Palpatine
Yoda vs Dooku
Obi-Wan vs Anakin

Ren getting owned by Rey makes everything before that lose credibility

[D-Wade316]

Pretty sure every Star Wars movie sucks. Just the prequels were god-awful while the original trilogy was watchable for ****** 11 year olds.

Seriously some of the gayest movies ever. Even the anticipated showdowns were cringe worthy to say the least.

Star Wars hype: Two thumbs down. It was never good.
:applause:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Phantom Menace TRASHES TFA

I'd go

1. Phantom
2. Revenge of the Sith
3. Clone Wars
4. TFA

Clone Wars and TFA are close, but i prefer the originality of the Clone Wars

I really liked the Clone Wars but Anakin's character was such a bad actor that it kind of killed the momentum it had with me at the time.

I actually liked Phantom quite a lot. I never read the books or anything so it was interesting to see how Anakin got noticed.

Revenge of the Sith- it was a well done movie. I liked this one the most out of the prequels.

TFA- Maybe I outgrew Star Wars but I don't find it nearly as interesting as I used to back in the day. The acting was pretty good in this film. I really did not like how Ren learned how to do mind control that quickly. It took Anakin until I believe the 2nd movie when he was a teen to learn how to use it and I remember reading that in terms of "potential," Anakin had one of the highest midclorians ever. I remember reading a fan forum that said there is a lot of proof in the books that Luke Skywalker was probably the most powerful Jedi ever. He was basically as talented as Darth Vader was before Obi-Wan beat him in that duel but not as easy to corrupt. Ren just pissed me off based on how good she was at managing the force as someone with no training whatsoever.

I would rank as following:

1. Revenge of the Sith
2. Clone Wars (I honestly remember rewatching this one a lot, the action scenes in the last 30 or so minutes of the film were great).
3. Phantom
4. TFA

Clone Wars had a pretty cool ending when Anakin gets his arm cut off. As a viewer, I started to understand that this kid was an insanely talented Jedi but his impatience and anger is what's holding him back still. They made it obvious he needed a lot more training to calm his mind and I like that.

[Legends66NBA7]

The lightsaber fights in the prequels were better then any of the Star Wars fight scenes after that.
Quigon/Obi-Wan vs Maul
Arresting of Palpatine
Yoda vs Dooku
Obi-Wan vs Anakin

Ren getting owned by Rey makes everything before that lose credibility

Eh, I think you mean Windu vs Palpatine (really brief) because what happened to the 3 Jedi before was probably the lowest point of any light saber duel.

[hateraid]

Eh, I think you mean Windu vs Palpatine (really brief) because what happened to the 3 Jedi before was probably the lowest point of any light saber duel.

I think it illustrated just how powerful Palpatine was which made the battle much more compelling and showed just why Mace was the GOAT duelist. If you look up the 3 that were slayed by Palpatine you'd see they were top 10 jedi. Impressive he took them out

[Legends66NBA7]

I think it illustrated just how powerful Palpatine was which made the battle much more compelling and showed just why Mace was the GOAT duelist. If you look up the 3 that were slayed by Palpatine you'd see they were top 10 jedi. Impressive he took them out

If you get a chance, can you link me the source ?

I just thought it was weird that 2 of them stood there. Maybe it meant Palpatine just moved fast, but if they are Top 10 Jedi, they should have been able to keep up. If not, that's a fault on Windu and should have just brought all available Jedi possible to Palpatine's headquarters.

[~primetime~]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/punkboi/Parno2/jediposse.jpg


I mean...come on man

the funny thing is the prequels look and feel like DISNEY

[~primetime~]

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120218230442/universalprotectioncouncil/images/9/95/Yoda_vs_Sidious.jpg

:facepalm


fck

[GIF REACTION]

Nothing says Disney more than a Mary sue princess warrior do it-all

[~primetime~]

Nothing says Disney more than a Mary sue princess warrior do it-all
Rey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haden Christianfail

I mean, she can actually act which is important here

[~primetime~]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/cd/e1/ea/cde1eacf339a0248b2eb6487a70bb0e1.gif

I mean, these prequels are basically an abomination...a joke

Darth Maul is about the only good thing to come out of these

[GIF REACTION]

All the acting in the world is useless without interesting characters and an original/quality plot

[~primetime~]

All the acting in the world is useless without interesting characters and an original/quality plot
The characters are infinitely more interesting than those in the prequels...I'm still very 'interested' in who Rey is exactly.

Aside from that...it's a fcking action movie

[GIF REACTION]

Rey is lame as ****

I'll tell you what's going to happen with her

Go play Kotor

They ripped that straight from there

[ThePhantomCreep]

I honestly don't blame the idiot OP for not remembering the correct name of Episode II.

It's that forgettable.

[Legends66NBA7]

I honestly don't blame the idiots OP for not remember the correct name for Episode II.

Its that forgettable.

There is a Clone Wars movie. It's based off the TV show and take part in what happens between Episode 2 and 3.

http://dll.anime47.com/imgur/SeWEwH1.jpg


Along with 2, it's pretty bad though.

[ThePhantomCreep]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/cd/e1/ea/cde1eacf339a0248b2eb6487a70bb0e1.gif

I mean, these prequels are basically an abomination...a joke

Darth Maul is about the only good thing to come out of these

Amazing how Lucas was able to turn Samuel L Jackson--one of the most distinctive actors in Hollywood--into a bland, wooden Indian.

The prequels were a plateful of ass.

[GIF REACTION]

****ing Lmao

The name rey just screams "HEY WE ARE RiPPING THIS CHARACTER FROM BASTILA AND REVAN IN KOTOR"

[ThePhantomCreep]

There is a Clone Wars movie. It's based off the TV show and take part in what happens between Episode 2 and 3.


Along with 2, it's pretty bad though.

"Clone Wars" isn't part of the Prequel Trilogy.

[GIF REACTION]

Amazing how Lucas was able to turn Samuel L Jackson--one of the most distinctive actors in Hollywood--into a bland, wooden Indian.

The prequels were a plateful of ass.
Yet still,

More originality and depth than TFA

The prequel's flaws lies in it's execution, whereas TFA's lies in the story and the characters

[ThePhantomCreep]

Yet still,

More originality and depth than TFA

The prequel's flaws lies in it's execution, whereas TFA's lies in the story and the characters

The prequels had a terrible story, made worse by the fact that we knew exactly who would live and die in the end.

TFA is already a cultural phenomenon, well on its way to becoming the highest grossing film of all-time.

Rey and Finn >>>>>>>>> Anakin and Padme

The latter two had possibly the most cringe-worthy romance in all of cinema. It was painful to watch.

[oh the horror]

While I wouldn't take the prequels over the newest movie I have to say that I did enjoy the prequels and don't understand the insane amounts of hate they get. I feel like there's a mob mentality and it's "in" to hate them now.

[T_L_P]

The lightsaber fights in the prequels were better then any of the Star Wars fight scenes after that.
Quigon/Obi-Wan vs Maul
Arresting of Palpatine
Yoda vs Dooku
Obi-Wan vs Anakin

Ren getting owned by Rey makes everything before that lose credibility

Watching CGI Yoda flip around an elderly, slow-footed man is pure cringe. Yoda vs Dooku is one of the worst scenes in film history, tbh.

:oldlol: at you seriously saying that shit was good.

[GIF REACTION]

The prequels had a terrible story, made worse by the fact that we knew exactly who would live and die in the end.

TFA is already a cultural phenomenon, well on its way to becoming the highest grossing film of all-time.

Rey and Finn >>>>>>>>> Anakin and Padme

The latter two had possibly the most cringe-worthy romance in all of cinema. It was painful to watch.
The prequels had a great story you loony

Shit dialogue does not mean shit story. It means shit execution of that story.

It doesn't matter how shiny TFA looks. It's got no depth and no substance.

It's the Michael Bay of Star Wars movies

[~primetime~]

The prequels had no depth...we all already knew the story...we knew Anakin was Vader...we knew him and Portman had two kids and she dies.

That was one of the biggest problems with them, they were spoiled from the get-go....no mystery around anything


Rey's character has depth, there is mystery around her...something traumatic happened to her in her childhood, we don't know what it is yet, we are wondering. It's a shame that her being a 'her' threatens you...she is a good actress.

[GIF REACTION]

Are you kidding me? The prequels were KNOWN for politics. Actual depth and explanation of things. TFA has nothing but action and explosions to go along with a story that has already been done before.

TFA has NO depth. The play it safe, fan made ANH rendition

[Legends66NBA7]

While I wouldn't take the prequels over the newest movie I have to say that I did enjoy the prequels and don't understand the insane amounts of hate they get. I feel like there's a mob mentality and it's "in" to hate them now.

Feel the same way. I think people have just made up their minds on an opinion and won't let it go.

[DonDadda59]

No :oldlol:

TFA had its issues but it was a good deal superior to the first 2 prequels and probably a notch above Revenge.

And I wasn't really feeling Obi-Wan in the prequels. The way Sir Alec described the younger version of the character, he made a young O-Juan sound like a Han Solo type rogue. But in the prequels they made Obi a complete square. The man was Jedi of the month 43 months in a row. He was the perfect jedi who never did anything wrong.

The prequels would've been far more interesting if Obi-Wan had been more like Qui Gon and if something he personally did was the reason Anakin turned to the dark side.

[GIF REACTION]

No :oldlol:

TFA had its issues but it was a good deal superior to the first 2 prequels and probably a notch above Revenge.

And I wasn't really feeling Obi-Wan in the prequels. The way Sir Alec described the younger version of the character, he made a young O-Juan sound like a Han Solo type rogue. But in the prequels they made Obi a complete square. The man was Jedi of the month 43 months in a row. He was the perfect jedi who never did anything wrong.

The prequels would've been far more interesting if Obi-Wan had been more like Qui Gon and if something he personally did was the reason Anakin turned to the dark side.
I see you enjoy familiarity and pack mentality. Creativity and the power of the mind clearly isn't your strong suite.

[DonDadda59]

I see you enjoy familiarity and pack mentality. Creativity and the power of the mind clearly isn't your strong suite.

No, I just don't like watching garbage cinema. The prequels were straight trash, with Episode III being the only watchable one.

George Lucas was only concerned with marketing toys to kids at that point. The spark was clearly gone. And of course he ended up selling his soul to Disney when he was in the process of writing a new trilogy. Shows where his heart was at. And now he has the nerve to complain. :facepalm

TFA>Revenge>>>>>AOTC/Phantom

[~primetime~]

It goes

Empire>Hope>Return>>>TFA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Phantom>Revenge>>>>AoTC

[Stout]

Revenge of the Sith was the best out of the prequels.
Easily, but it still wasn't good until the last half. Rewatch the first 10 minutes and you can see how trash the characters and their deadpan delivery was for much of the movie and trilogy.

[Legends66NBA7]

It goes

Empire>Hope>Return>>>TFA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Phantom>Revenge>>>>AoTC

What makes Return that much greater than TFA and Revenge ?

[DonDadda59]

It goes

Empire>Hope>Return>>>TFA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Phantom>Revenge>>>>AoTC

Phantom was by far the worst. The only highlight was my dude Maul. I'd put Phantom in the AoTC tier, but other than that I agree. :applause:

[Legends66NBA7]

Easily, but it still wasn't good until the last half. Rewatch the first 10 minutes and you can see how trash the characters and their deadpan delivery was for much of the movie and trilogy.

http://dc692.4shared.com/img/b1pqe7X6/s7/13ef2fe1938/another_happy_landing

[Legends66NBA7]

Phantom was by far the worst. The only highlight was my dude Maul. I'd put Phantom in the AoTC tier, but other than that I agree. :applause:

If Maul got the same screen time the Trade Federation and Jar Jar got, I think everyone would be rethinking where Phantom should rank.

Should have been in all 3 movies.

[GIF REACTION]

No, I just don't like watching garbage cinema. The prequels were straight trash, with Episode III being the only watchable one.

George Lucas was only concerned with marketing toys to kids at that point. The spark was clearly gone. And of course he ended up selling his soul to Disney when he was in the process of writing a new trilogy. Shows where his heart was at. And now he has the nerve to complain. :facepalm

TFA>Revenge>>>>>AOTC/Phantom
Admit it Don

You prefer bland stories with weak characters and big explosions and thrilling hero empowerment moments

Some of us more civilized thinkers, enjoy more gripping stories about more than the blaster and saber. A tale that brings meaning to the violence, not the other way around

-The Intellectual

[~primetime~]

Phantom was by far the worst. The only highlight was my dude Maul. I'd put Phantom in the AoTC tier, but other than that I agree. :applause:
That's the only highlight of any of them...plus no Hadan/Portman cringe

that kid>>>>>>>Hadan

[DonDadda59]

Admit it Don

You prefer bland stories

Tell me more about the taxation rules the Republic voted on that triggered the Trade Federation blockade. You get a vote of no confidence from me, Chancellor Snitch Reaction :lol



with weak characters and big explosions and thrilling hero empowerment moments

So basically the prequels.

Who were these interesting, strong characters in the prequels? Anakin? Square ass perfect Jedi Obi-Wan? Jar Jar? :confusedshrug:

Everyone with the exception of Ian McDiarmid's portrayal of Palpatine/Sidious came off as one note, cardboard characters.


Some of us more civilized thinkers, enjoy more gripping stories about more than the blaster and saber. A tale that brings meaning to the violence, not the other way around

-The Intellectual

:whatever:


that kid>>>>>>>Hadan

That kid was the worst of the worst. Terrible actor, even by little kid standards. Lucas had better options in terms of casting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZSnB7yGylc) . He went with the cutest, most bland option.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I see you enjoy familiarity and pack mentality. Creativity and the power of the mind clearly isn't your strong suite.

You're a try-hard who wants to go against the grain, a wannable contrarian who couldn't even remember the correct name of Episode II. :lol You already proved how unmemorable the prequels are.

[GIF REACTION]

You're a try-hard who wants to go against the grain, a wannable contrarian who couldn't even remember the correct name of Episode II. :lol You already proved how unmemorable the prequels are.
Your world must be very closed in. A sheltered child no doubt. Your knowledge and strive goes no further than what the establishment deems. Quite damning, don't you think?

Keep following the pack, amigo! America is only 20 more Kilometers!

[Le Shaqtus]

Nothing is worse than Attack of the Clones.

[FrobeShaw]

You're a try-hard who wants to go against the grain, a wannable contrarian who couldn't even remember the correct name of Episode II. :lol You already proved how unmemorable the prequels are.
get his ass

[T_L_P]

Admit it Don

You prefer bland stories with weak characters and big explosions and thrilling hero empowerment moments

Some of us more civilized thinkers, enjoy more gripping stories about more than the blaster and saber. A tale that brings meaning to the violence, not the other way around

-The Intellectual

What are your top 10 films ever, GIF?

[falc39]

I was very critical of the prequels when they came out as were a lot of people. It would only be fair to be extremely critical of this movie too, which turns out to have a ton of flaws with its plot/storyline, boring characters, and lack of depth. What changed is all reviewers lost their bite and started settling for "but it's a fun movie!" and "oh, they will explain it later." The standards for a new star wars film has fallen dramatically.

[~primetime~]

That kid was the worst of the worst. Terrible actor, even by little kid standards. Lucas had better options in terms of casting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZSnB7yGylc) . He went with the cutest, most bland option.
But that is so much easier to take in than the dialog between Haden and Portman which was beyond awful.

https://starwarsanon.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/padme-and-anakin-concerned.jpg


It just didn't work, there wasn't the slightest hint of 'chemistry' between these two. It was much harder to watch than 'a cute little boy'.

[Stout]

I was very critical of the prequels when they came out as were a lot of people. It would only be fair to be extremely critical of this movie too, which turns out to have a ton of flaws with its plot/storyline, boring characters, and lack of depth. What changed is all reviewers lost their bite and started settling for "but it's a fun movie!" and "oh, they will explain it later." The standards for a new star wars film has fallen dramatically.
When a movie stinks, you start really looking at the flaws. When a movie is entertaining, people become more likely to overlook the flaws. TFA is flawed, but ultimately entertaining with good characters, thus people are willing to overlook the flaws. The prequels were boring and had terrible characters, thus people began to nitpick.

[DonDadda59]

But that is so much easier to take in than the dialog between Haden and Portman which was beyond awful.

https://starwarsanon.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/padme-and-anakin-concerned.jpg


It just didn't work, there wasn't the slightest hint of 'chemistry' between these two. It was much harder to watch than 'a cute little boy'.

No doubt the Anakin Padme shit was cringeworthy. I think they should've started the story when Anakin was around Luke's age... or just gone with that Devon Michaels kid. He had that gravitas that would make you beieve believe that A) He had been born a slave who never knew his father. B) Showed hints of the inner conflict that would scare the Jedi.

When he delivers his 'I won't always be' (https://youtu.be/GZSnB7yGylc?t=3m13s) line, I swear I heard him breathing like Vader a bit. :biggums:

But bland and cute won out, so we got that bullshit on celluloid for all time.

[falc39]

When a movie stinks, you start really looking at the flaws. When a movie is entertaining, people become more likely to overlook the flaws. TFA is flawed, but ultimately entertaining with good characters, thus people are willing to overlook the flaws. The prequels were boring and had terrible characters, thus people began to nitpick.

That's the dumb thing though because this film had terrible characters with no depth and also a very unoriginal and rushed plot to boot. But I guess since it was made for younger children and it's fun it will get a pass from the reviewers.

[GIF REACTION]

What are your top 10 films ever, GIF?
Casablanca
Citizen Kane
Floating Weeds
Gates of Heaven
La Dolce Vita
Notorious
Raging Bull
The Third Man
28 Up
2001: A Space Odyssey

-The Intellectual

[ThePhantomCreep]

I was very critical of the prequels when they came out as were a lot of people. It would only be fair to be extremely critical of this movie too, which turns out to have a ton of flaws with its plot/storyline, boring characters, and lack of depth. What changed is all reviewers lost their bite and started settling for "but it's a fun movie!" and "oh, they will explain it later." The standards for a new star wars film has fallen dramatically.

I fail to see how the characters and story in TFA lacked depth, especially if you compare them to the film everyone says it's a clone of, A New Hope.

Luke, Han, and Leia would eventually have their characters fleshed out as the series progressed, but they were mostly archetypes in the original film.

ANH didn't need to explain anything later as it was a self-contained film. It wasn't part of a trilogy, despite Lucas's claims to the contrary. That's why a lot of the more iconic cliffhanger moments in the saga were retconned (masterfully) in the ESB, the only Star Wars film that can truly be labeled a "masterpiece".

Speaking of which, that's another annoying flaw in the prequels--how badly they connected to the original trilogy:

-Vader wasn't a great pilot when Obi-Wan met him. He was a kid.
-Yoda didn't train Obi-Wan, Qui-Gonn did.
-Leia's mother died during childbirth. How did she remember Padme again?
-Everyone in ANH is dubious about the power of The Force, when the Jedi held prominent positions in the Republic just 20 years prior.
-Vader built C-3PO :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[ThePhantomCreep]

Casablanca
Citizen Kane
Floating Weeds
Gates of Heaven
La Dolce Vita
Notorious
Raging Bull
The Third Man
28 Up
2001: A Space Odyssey

-The Intellectual

That's Roger Ebert's list :lol

I know because I'm a huge fan.

[GIF REACTION]

Never heard of him

We must have similar tastes,

-The Intellectual

[FrobeShaw]

isb has never heard about la dolca vita. this swindler has gone too far.

[Stout]

That's the dumb thing though because this film had terrible characters with no depth and also a very unoriginal and rushed plot to boot. But I guess since it was made for younger children and it's fun it will get a pass from the reviewers.
They may be dumb characters, but they were at least entertaining (E.g., Fin). The characters in the prequels were either annoying (e.g., Jar Jar) or wooden (e.g., Anakin).

[GIF REACTION]

isb has never heard about la dolca vita. this swindler has gone too far.
It's a 1960 film from the great Fellini

-The Intellectual

[Stout]

Casablanca
Citizen Kane
Floating Weeds
Gates of Heaven
La Dolce Vita
Notorious
Raging Bull
The Third Man
28 Up
2001: A Space Odyssey

-The Intellectual

This dude just plagiarized an opinion on top 10 movies :roll: :roll:

Dude, you have 0 credibility.

[falc39]

I fail to see how the characters and story in TFA lacked depth, especially if you compare them to the film everyone says it's a clone of, A New Hope.

Luke, Han, and Leia would eventually have their characters fleshed out as the series progressed, but they were mostly archetypes in the original film.

Rey was from the get-go ultra talented to the point where it never felt like she was seriously challenged or in danger (boring). Finn had an interesting story but served most of the film as comic relief and as a foil to show how awesome Rey was. Poe was likeable but absent, disappeared for a long time and then just reappeared (lazy writing). Luke, Han, and Leia were miles ahead in development. Leia had to watch her home planet die, which somehow felt far more meaningful than this movie when 5 planets got destoryed simultaneously. Writers really failed there. I guess because the plot was so rushed and copied, the new superweapon just doesn't intimidate the audience, so they had to make the First Order act like Nazis. I mean wtf, so out of place from the star wars universe. So many things that make you :facepalm or wonder how did that happen?

[ThePhantomCreep]

Rey was from the get-go ultra talented to the point where it never felt like she was seriously challenged or in danger (boring). Finn had an interesting story but served most of the film as comic relief and as a foil to show how awesome Rey was. Poe was likeable but absent, disappeared for a long time and then just reappeared (lazy writing). Luke, Han, and Leia were miles ahead in development. Leia had to watch her home planet die, which somehow felt far more meaningful than this movie when 5 planets got destoryed simultaneously. Writers really failed there. I guess because the plot was so rushed and copied, the new superweapon just doesn't intimidate the audience, so they had to make the First Order act like Nazis. I mean wtf, so out of place from the star wars universe. So many things that make you :facepalm or wonder how did that happen?

-You're right, Leia's home planet was destroyed, and thanks to bad directing from George Lucas, she barely reacts to it, and a few scenes later is carrying on like nothing happened. I have much love for the OT, but flawless films they are not.

-At least Daisy Ridley can shed a few tears on command--she acts circles around Carrie Fisher, no question. There's a lot of mystery to the Rey character, but it's clear that she carries far more baggage than her counterpart Luke in ANH. Luke should be emotionally scarred considering he's an orphan, but no, he's just a typical restless kid who's stuck in a rut.

-Finn has a few too many jokey moments, but he's a great character overall with a unique backstory. His arc so far is fantastic--I love how he's willing to go into the lion's den to rescue Rey, even though he's obviously petrified of the First Order, to the point where he was about to high-tail it a few scenes earlier. His fear of losing her supersedes his fear of being killed for treason. That's what you call a proper character arc, something I haven't seen in a SW film since 1983.

-Poe "disappeared" by design--JJ wanted to keep the focus on his two leads (plus Han) for the middle portion of his film. I don't see that as a flaw.

-The Empire was inspired by the Nazis too--why is that a problem now? :confusedshrug:

-My main criticism with TFA is how overwrought the Starkiller was. Totally unnecessary given its lack of importance to the overall storyline. That's the one area where I felt JJ went too far echoing the original film.

[outbreak]

Most of the people complaining are forgetting there's more films coming that will hopefully address the loose ends

[LJJ]

One thing I will say is that the prequels do get too much crap now. The story and script was terrible in some parts and the Lucas bottled overall continuation of the "Star Wars mythology", but there are a lot of things the movies did right as well.

Don't tell me you didn't have fun watching once or twice. Even Attack of the Clones. The movies are worth a 6 or a 7. TFA is worth a 7.5, maybe 8. A very safe starting point for a new trilogy that's just competent enough.

[outbreak]

One thing I will say is that the prequels do get too much crap now. The story and script was terrible in some parts and the Lucas bottled overall continuation of the "Star Wars mythology", but there are a lot of things the movies did right as well.

Don't tell me you didn't have fun watching once or twice. Even Attack of the Clones. The movies are worth a 6 or a 7. TFA is worth a 7.5, maybe 8. A very safe starting point for a new trilogy that's just competent enough.
The movies on their own aren't the worst movies ever but its hard to rate them like that considering they take multiple bigs shits all over the franchises established ideas. I agree they get too much hate but i can see why

[falc39]

-You're right, Leia's home planet was destroyed, and thanks to bad directing from George Lucas, she barely reacts to it, and a few scenes later is carrying on like nothing happened. I have much love for the OT, but flawless films they are not.

-At least Daisy Ridley can shed a few tears on command--she acts circles around Carrie Fisher, no question. There's a lot of mystery to the Rey character, but it's clear that she carries far more baggage than her counterpart Luke in ANH. Luke should be emotionally scarred considering he's an orphan, but no, he's just a typical restless kid who's stuck in a rut.

-Finn has a few too many jokey moments, but he's a great character overall with a unique backstory. His arc so far is fantastic--I love how he's willing to go into the lion's den to rescue Rey, even though he's obviously petrified of the First Order, to the point where he was about to high-tail it a few scenes earlier. His fear of losing her supersedes his fear of being killed for treason, so he goes. That's what you call a proper character arc, something I haven't seen in a SW film since 1983.

-Poe "disappeared" by design--JJ wanted to keep the focus on his two leads (plus Han) for the middle portion of his film. I don't see that as a flaw.

-The Empire was inspired by the Nazis too--why is that a problem now? :confusedshrug:

-My main criticism with TFA is how overwrought the Starkiller was. Totally unnecessary given its lack of importance to the overall storyline. That's the one area where I felt JJ went too far echoing the original film.

Yes, you could say that Leia could've reacted better, but compared to the new film, when 5 planets were destroyed (one supposedly being the New republic capitol), and the audience left clueless wondering if it was supposed to be important or not? That's pretty unforgivable.

The Nazi scene was one of the cheesiest scenes in the whole film. Sure, stormtroopers were originally named so after troops from the third reich, but at no point when you are watching the OT and you think Nazi's (unless someone told you beforehand). This was blatant copying from the colors, rallies, speech styles, and even down to the fricken salute. Like seriously? I guess a film still can't be PC enough until you make the bad guys out to be Nazi copycats, right?

I would disagree with the character arc comment. Anakin's character arc as a tragic hero was brilliant- the acting wasn't good but the depth and story was there. Everyone and their mom knew he would turn to the dark side and become vader. It was predictable but the depth and complexity of how it happened still made you want to see it.

[outbreak]

Yes, you could say that Leia could've reacted better, but compared to the new film, when 5 planets were destroyed (one supposedly being the New republic capitol), and the audience left clueless wondering if it was supposed to be important or not? That's pretty unforgivable.

The Nazi scene was one of the cheesiest scenes in the whole film. Sure, stormtroopers were originally named so after troops from the third reich, but at no point when you are watching the OT and you think Nazi's (unless someone told you beforehand). This was blatant copying from the colors, rallies, speech styles, and even down to the fricken salute. Like seriously? I guess a film still can't be PC enough until you make the bad guys out to be Nazi copycats, right?

I would disagree with the character arc comment. Anakin's character arc as a tragic hero was brilliant- the acting wasn't good but the depth and story was there. Everyone and their mom knew he would turn to the dark side and become vader. It was predictable but the depth and complexity of how it happened still made you want to see it.
Lol his turn to the dark side was stupid and a let down full of plot holes. They had also done other nazi inspired scenes. The empires arrival in rotj comes to mind from the original series

[DonDadda59]

Yes, you could say that Leia could've reacted better, but compared to the new film, when 5 planets were destroyed (one supposedly being the New republic capitol), and the audience left clueless wondering if it was supposed to be important or not? That's pretty unforgivable.

The Nazi scene was one of the cheesiest scenes in the whole film. Sure, stormtroopers were originally named so after troops from the third reich, but at no point when you are watching the OT and you think Nazi's (unless someone told you beforehand). This was blatant copying from the colors, rallies, speech styles, and even down to the fricken salute. Like seriously? I guess a film still can't be PC enough until you make the bad guys out to be Nazi copycats, right?

I would disagree with the character arc comment. Anakin's character arc as a tragic hero was brilliant- the acting wasn't good but the depth and story was there. Everyone and their mom knew he would turn to the dark side and become vader. It was predictable but the depth and complexity of how it happened still made you want to see it.

Have to completely disagree here. His turn was completely unbelievable and forced. It was also completely nonsensical. I mean, he slaughters an entire colony of Tusken Raiders, including the Women and children... He should've turned right then and there. But instead all it led to was another whiny Linkin Park inspired emo rant.

Then he randomly decides to become evil because some old shyster made a vague promise about 'saving his loved ones'?

Completely ridiculous.

[falc39]

Lol his turn to the dark side was stupid and a let down full of plot holes. They had also done other nazi inspired scenes. The empires arrival in rotj comes to mind from the original series

How was it stupid? He was brilliantly manipulated and his loved ones were used against him. Not saying the prequels were perfect, just talking about his particular character arc.

Really, how did the empire's arrival translate to Nazis? Because they had troops lined up? Anything else that tip you off to Nazis? You only knew they were related to Nazi's because George Lucas told everyone in an interview, but there was no blatant copycatting to the point of cheesiness.

[falc39]

Have to completely disagree here. His turn was completely unbelievable and forced. It was also completely nonsensical. I mean, he slaughters an entire colony of Tusken Raiders, including the Women and children... He should've turned right then and there. But instead all it led to was another whiny Linkin Park inspired emo rant.

Then he randomly decides to become evil because some old shyster made a vague promise about 'saving his loved ones'?

Completely ridiculous.

He slaughtered the Tusken Raiders because they tortured his mother and he watched her die right there...

His turn wasn't complete until palpatine used his fear of losing padme to manipulate him

[DonDadda59]

How was it stupid? He was brilliantly manipulated and his loved ones were used against him. Not saying the prequels were perfect, just talking about his particular character arc.

It was a flimsy premise at best.


He slaughtered the Tusken Raiders because they tortured his mother and he watched her die right there...

Your point being? He slaughtered women and children who probably had nothing to do with it.

Are you telling me that mass murder, genocide caused by anger doesn't count as entry to the dark side... But deciding to listen to some old man who has been playing you and your jedi buddies for many years is?

How does that make any sense?

He cuts off Count Dooku's head when he was defenseless... Nothing. He cuts off Mace Windu's hand... Now he's evil. :rolleyes:

[KyrieTheFuture]

Have to completely disagree here. His turn was completely unbelievable and forced. It was also completely nonsensical. I mean, he slaughters an entire colony of Tusken Raiders, including the Women and children... He should've turned right then and there. But instead all it led to was another whiny Linkin Park inspired emo rant.

Then he randomly decides to become evil because some old shyster made a vague promise about 'saving his loved ones'?

Completely ridiculous.
Did you even watch the movies?

[Nick Young]

One thing I will say is that the prequels do get too much crap now. The story and script was terrible in some parts and the Lucas bottled overall continuation of the "Star Wars mythology", but there are a lot of things the movies did right as well.

Don't tell me you didn't have fun watching once or twice. Even Attack of the Clones. The movies are worth a 6 or a 7. TFA is worth a 7.5, maybe 8. A very safe starting point for a new trilogy that's just competent enough.
I liked Phantom Menace when I saw it, and about a year afterwards. I think I was 10. Then I stopped liking it. I thought Attack of the Clones was the worst and most boring ****ing movie I've ever seen when I watched it. Rewatches made it worse. For me, it's honestly the worst movie I've ever seen. It is so slow, the action scenes are dull and the dialogue is cringey. Revenge of the Sith had some ok moments and lots of Attack of the Clones caliber moments.



Phantom Menace is the only watchable prequel to me, only because naboo, and Darth Maul. I try to watch attack of the clones and revenge of the sith when theyre on TV sometimes but can't last more than 20 minutes. They are just the worst.

[falc39]

It was a flimsy premise at best.



Your point being? He slaughtered women and children who probably had nothing to do with it.

Are you telling me that mass murder, genocide caused by anger doesn't count as entry to the dark side... But deciding to listen to some old man who has been playing you and your jedi buddies for many years is?

How does that make any sense?

He cuts off Count Dooku's head when he was defenseless... Nothing. He cuts off Mace Windu's hand... Now he's evil. :rolleyes:

He was conflicted but you can slowly see how each event pushed him closer and closer to the dark side even though he didn't realize it. Count Dooku was an enemy and was clearly working against the jedi order, the tuskens killed his mother, so he could at least justify those in his mind. But throughout the film he questioned the jedis more and more. He even started questioning his own actions. Showed how confused and distraught he was getting. Murderers lots of times can think they are murdering for good, even if the rest of us see them as mentally sick. It's believable to me.

[zoom17]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi5jjXTPtyY

[ThePhantomCreep]

Darth Vader shouldn't have been tricked, that was Lucas's half-assed way of making his turn feel sympathetic. He was trying to save Padme, that's why he turned bad? Come on now.

Vader should have been a poor orphan with a massive inferiority complex that ultimately does him in--the Jake LaMotta of outerspace. It felt like Lucas wanted to go in that direction, but he botched it with his bad writing and directing.

Anakin should have felt like he didn't deserve dream girl Padme, that he would never live up to the expectations of his master Obi-Wan, and that he would never become a true insider on the Jedi Council. His delusions of grandeur should have been all talk--at his core Anakin is a misfit, always on the outside looking in.

Anakin, the poor angry kid who saw the worst aspects of life in the Republic, should have resented the bourgeois lifestyle of the residents on Coruscant. This would have drawn him to the populist rhetoric of an up-and-coming politician named Palpatine, the Lenin to Vader's Stalin. No trickery needed.

Palpatine doesn't need to trick everyone into giving him power, he consolidates it through cult of personality.

[zoom17]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoVpSPXGCvc

[DonDadda59]

Darth Vader shouldn't have been tricked, that was Lucas's half-assed way of making turn feel sympathetic. He was trying to save Padme, that's why he turned bad? Come on now.

Vader should have been a poor orphan with a massive inferiority complex that ultimately does him in--the Jake LaMotta of outerspace. It felt like Lucas wanted to go in that direction, but he botched it with his bad writing and directing.

Anakin should have felt like he didn't deserve dream girl Padme, that he would never live up to the expectations of his master Obi-Wan, and that he would never become a true insider on the Jedi Council. His delusions of grandeur should have been all talk--at his core Anakin is a misfit, always on the outside looking in.

Anakin, the poor angry kid who saw the worst aspects of life in the Republic, should have resented the bourgeois lifestyle of the residents on Coruscant. This would have drawn him to the populist rhetoric of an up-and-coming politician named Palpatine, the Lenin to Vader's Stalin. No trickery needed.

Palpatine doesn't need to trick everyone into giving him power, he consolidates it through cult of personality.

Yes, exactly!

The character should've been infinitely more interesting than what we got. He's a kid who was born into slavery and never knew his father (because he's Jesus... doesn't have one :lol ). That's someone who even at a young age would've been full of rage, distrust, and had violent tendencies. Couple that with his unusual strength/connection to the force, you'd understand why the Jedi would be apprehensive about allowing him to be trained.

He was dangerous and the Jedi sensed it... Yet the kid who they chose to play him looked like he had just walked off the set of a Toys R Us commercial.

His turn to the dark side should've been the result of his shortcomings and actions- the anger, resentment, and rage he had carried around his entire life... Not because he got fleeced by some old wizard. :roll:

[falc39]

I wouldn't mind seeing that altenative storyline. Regardless, the actual one still has a lot of depth.

I think you guys underestimate what some people will do regarding their loved ones. Some people can do some really crazy stuff if they don't have control over their emotions. What really sealed Anakin's hatred was his belief that obi-wan turned padme against him at the very end. Dude was so wrapped up in his emotions that he lost all sense of reality.

[BoutPractice]

The problem is that although some of the good in the prequels is more inspiring, the bad is too aggressively bad to ignore.

[DonDadda59]

Anyone see 'Looper' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZpOBka0iRA)? That's how I imagine a young Vader would've been like- a good kid at heart but troubled and with a raw power that he didn't know how to control (and a child actor who could actually act :lol ). Rian Johnson, who directed Looper, is helming the next Episode. Hopefully he can bring some of that great storytelling to the franchise without Disney mucking it up.

[CavaliersFTW]

I go:

ESB

ANH

And depending on my mood (meaning no particular order, always subject to change)

ROTS
ROTJ
AOTC
TPM














































(big gap)


































































Farce Awakens. Which doesn't even feel like star wars.

[ThePhantomCreep]

^ Disregarding that lame, trying-way-too-hard attempt to bash TFA, who in their right mind puts ROTJ in the same tier with TPM and AOTC? That's ridiculous.

[Shade8780]

can you guys shut the fvck up and understand that you're getting trolled. hard.

[Take Your Lumps]

Anyone see 'Looper' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZpOBka0iRA)? That's how I imagine a young Vader would've been like- a good kid at heart but troubled and with a raw power that he didn't know how to control (and a child actor who could actually act :lol ). Rian Johnson, who directed Looper, is helming the next Episode. Hopefully he can bring some of that great storytelling to the franchise without Disney mucking it up.

Really looking forward to seeing what Rian Johnson comes up with....Looper was legit.

Now...episode 9 is the one I'm worried about. The guy who directed Jurassic World is doing that one. That movie was the very definition of soul-less rehash and he really has no other major motion pictures under his belt.

[Shade8780]

Really looking forward to seeing what Rian Johnson comes up with....Looper was legit.

Now...episode 9 is the one I'm worried about. The guy who directed Jurassic World is doing that one. That movie was the very definition of soul-less rehash and he really has no other major motion pictures under his belt.
safety not guaranteed is a pretty good indie film, directed by trevorrow. it even has some star wars references in it.

but yeah, jurassic world has me kind of worried. jurassic world was a soft reboot/sequel i didn't like, the force awakens was a soft reboot/sequel i really liked, one that was done right.

jurassic world isn't the type of film that would emphasize trevorrow's quality as a director imo though. they hired him because he had one film to his name and would be easy to control by spielberg and the studio, make the film they wanted, but with the large box office success of jw and some more experience before he does episode ix, i think he'll have more leg room in the creative side of things and could make a quality movie like safety not guaranteed again.

either that, or he's set in place to be this trilogy's richard marquand, a sock puppet that would make the film the producers wanted to make.

[Shade8780]

rian johnson's films focus relentlessly on characters, like irvin kershner, who was hired to make a character piece with empire.

abrams made a film brimmed with a new world, a new conflict, and new, fun characters that johnson and trevorrow have a lot to work with. abrams is really good at bringing things to life, like lost, star trek '09, etc., but he's better off letting someone else follow it up and continue the story.

johnson will make a deeper, darker, more interesting film all about the characters and relationships. a major complaint with tfa was the similarity in story to a new hope, but that was to hook the new generation, this film was about introducing us to rey, finn, poe and kylo, and episode viii and ix will be all about developing these characters, developing the overall story, and then finishing their arcs.

[GIF REACTION]

rian johnson's films focus relentlessly on characters, like irvin kershner, who was hired to make a character piece with empire.

abrams made a film brimmed with a new world, a new conflict, and new, fun characters that johnson and trevorrow have a lot to work with. abrams is really good at bringing things to life, like lost, star trek '09, etc., but he's better off letting someone else follow it up and continue the story.

johnson will make a deeper, darker, more interesting film all about the characters and relationships. a major complaint with tfa was the similarity in story to a new hope, but that was to hook the new generation, this film was about introducing us to rey, finn, poe and kylo, and episode viii and ix will be all about developing these characters, developing the overall story, and then finishing their arcs.
:roll:

You mean the same story, the same characters.

[Terahite]

safety not guaranteed is a pretty good indie film, directed by trevorrow. it even has some star wars references in it.

Safety N.G. was an atrocious movie. I will never forgive Netflix for putting that hipster garbage in my recommended list. Why even bring that up except to make TFA look good? :facepalm

[~primetime~]

Safety N.G. was an atrocious movie. I will never forgive Netflix for putting that hipster garbage in my recommended list. Why even bring that up except to make TFA look good? :facepalm
It's 90% on RT

[Terahite]

It's 90% on RT

http://s28.postimg.org/3sa688hgt/rsz_moreypct20formula_l_1.jpg

[Shade8780]

Safety N.G. was an atrocious movie. I will never forgive Netflix for putting that hipster garbage in my recommended list. Why even bring that up except to make TFA look good? :facepalm
because it is a good movie? it has fvcking 90 something percent on rt i think you're in the minority dude

[Shade8780]

:roll:

You mean the same story, the same characters.
the price is right losing horn 10 hours

"mary sue! emo pu$$y! not enough like muh luke and vader!"

jedi scavenger girl, stormtrooper and resistance pilot

farmer boy, smuggler and princess

they're different

[eriX]

because it is a good movie? it has fvcking 90 something percent on rt i think you're in the minority dude

TFA have a 93% on RT yet if you look at the people complaining here you wouldn't even think it is 50% on RT :facepalm

[JohnFreeman]

Prequels shit on the originals

[Smook B]

Prequels shit on the originals

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CqpxhANrHzc/UwFfZEjh2BI/AAAAAAAACrc/XkSyNp1MWVo/s1600/1.gif

[CelticBaller]

Lmao

People took the bait so easily

[CakeorDeath]

Prequels were bad. TFA was bad.

Ergo:

http://dontgetmestarted-lindasharp.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/23/giant_douche_turd.jpg

[Shade8780]

TFA have a 93% on RT yet if you look at the people complaining here you wouldn't even think it is 50% on RT :facepalm
because most of them are trolls like gif and cavs. couldn't be more obvious.

also people who dislike it are going to be more outspoken.

[Terahite]

because most of them are trolls like gif and cavs. couldn't be more obvious.

also people who dislike it are going to be more outspoken.

:oldlol: dude just stop already

[CelticBaller]

because most of them are trolls like gif and cavs. couldn't be more obvious.

also people who dislike it are going to be more outspoken.
You're as emotionally invested as the haters

Just let it go man

[Derka]

Lmao

People took the bait so easily
Came here to say this :oldlol: Soooooooo much this.

[hateraid]

If you get a chance, can you link me the source ?

I just thought it was weird that 2 of them stood there. Maybe it meant Palpatine just moved fast, but if they are Top 10 Jedi, they should have been able to keep up. If not, that's a fault on Windu and should have just brought all available Jedi possible to Palpatine's headquarters.


SaeseeTiin (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Saesee_Tiin)

KitFisto (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kit_Fisto)

Agen_Kolar (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Agen_Kolar)

All were Jedi Counsil and top tier duelists. Fisto may be top 5 according to Wookipedia

[NBAplayoffs2001]

The lightsaber fights in the prequels were better then any of the Star Wars fight scenes after that.
Quigon/Obi-Wan vs Maul
Arresting of Palpatine
Yoda vs Dooku
Obi-Wan vs Anakin

Ren getting owned by Rey makes everything before that lose credibility

I loved the Quigon/Obi-Wan vs. Maul battle.
The Palpatine scene was sort of weak but I get it. When they started to use force lightening, it got more interesting.
Yoda vs. Dooku- I was weirdly disappointed by this even though it was pretty good.
Obi-Wan vs. Anakin - I think this is just proof that Anakin's impatience even in fighting is the reason why half of his battle is full of metal as a Sith Lord. He fought way too recklessly even though he was more skilled with the lightsaber than Obi-Wan.

[hateraid]

I loved the Quigon/Obi-Wan vs. Maul battle.
The Palpatine scene was sort of weak but I get it. When they started to use force lightening, it got more interesting.
Yoda vs. Dooku- I was weirdly disappointed by this even though it was pretty good.
Obi-Wan vs. Anakin - I think this is just proof that Anakin's impatience even in fighting is the reason why half of his battle is full of metal as a Sith Lord. He fought way too recklessly even though he was more skilled with the lightsaber than Obi-Wan.


The reason why I like these fights is because it illustrates the different sabre styles as opposed to the regular fencing style in the other movies. This also illustrates the potential in Anakin in what could have been. He was the greatest that could have ever lived had he stayed with the Jedi. His midiclorian count was off the charts beyond anyone who ever lived and thereafter. Sith Lord Vader wasn't even half the potential he could have been had he not got most his midichlorian burned away in the fight against Obi. I guess you can argue if it weren't for Obi beating Anakin the tide would have been overpowering for the dark side.

This is where TFA does not relate well to the prequels and the originals. Rey is near peak young Anakin level in a matter of days. Unless it's revealed later she is the actual chosen one then it discredits the whole force theory before that.

[ThePhantomCreep]

The reason why I like these fights is because it illustrates the different sabre styles as opposed to the regular fencing style in the other movies. This also illustrates the potential in Anakin in what could have been. He was the greatest that could have ever lived had he stayed with the Jedi. His midiclorian count was off the charts beyond anyone who ever lived and thereafter. Sith Lord Vader wasn't even half the potential he could have been had he not got most his midichlorian burned away in the fight against Obi. I guess you can argue if it weren't for Obi beating Anakin the tide would have been overpowering for the dark side.

This is where TFA does not relate well to the prequels and the originals. Rey is near peak young Anakin level in a matter of days. Unless it's revealed later she is the actual chosen one then it discredits the whole force theory before that.

This was my biggest issue with the whole "Anakin is Space Jesus" angle that was obviously tacked on for the prequels: We almost never see these powers manifest onscreen. He's a really good Jedi, but that's it.

No consistencies with individual Force powers either. Anakin loses to Obi-Wan badly, so why is Obi-Wan claiming Anakin is far above him as a Jedi?

Then you have Anakin defeating Dooku in Episode III. Okay, why couldn't the more powerful Yoda do the same in Episode II? Anakin never gets to the level of Yoda, or Palpatine, so what's the deal here? Again, no consistency.

How was Mace Windu able to subdue Palpatine (rather easily), but not Yoda??? Why were the three Jedi who accompanied Mace to arrest Palpatine killed as easily as battle droids???

These inconsistencies are really stupid from a storytelling perspective. In the OT, you knew who was the more powerful than who and it added tension to the scenes. Vader was clearly stronger than the aging Obi-Wan in ANH; Vader was pretty much toying with Luke in ESB; Luke was stronger than Vader, but still weaker than The Emperor in ROTJ.

[hateraid]

This was my biggest issue with the whole "Anakin is Space Jesus" angle that was obviously tacked on for the prequels: We almost never see these powers manifest onscreen. He's a really good Jedi, but that's it.

No consistencies with individual Force powers either. Anakin loses to Obi-Wan badly, so why is Obi-Wan claiming Anakin is far above him as a Jedi?

Then you have Anakin defeating Dooku in Episode III. Okay, why couldn't the more powerful Yoda do the same in Episode II? Anakin never gets to the level of Yoda, or Palpatine, so what's the deal here? Again, no consistency.

How was Mace Windu able to subdue Palpatine (rather easily), but not Yoda??? Why were the three Jedi who accompanied Mace to arrest Palpatine killed as easily as battle droids???

These inconsistencies are really stupid from a storytelling perspective. In the OT, you knew who was the more powerful than who and it added tension to the scenes. Vader was clearly stronger than the aging Obi-Wan in ANH; Vader was pretty much toying with Luke in ESB; Luke was stronger than Vader, but still weaker than The Emperor in ROTJ.


I agree in the inconsistencies although a couple of your points can be explained.
Mace is the most accomplished and skilled sabre duelist of all time. Which is why he was able to subdue Palpatine. Having the others slayed showed how skilled Palpatine was, and just how much better Mace was.
Yoda was past his prime as a duelist. Could only keep up with use of the force.
But I guess you need to have in depth knowledge of the force to know this going into the movies.

[T_L_P]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buyflmtHcHc&feature=youtu.be&t=20s

The Prequels, ladies and gentlemen. :applause:

[DonDadda59]

THIS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BxVkfEEtk0) was the best thing to come out of the prequel era. :bowdown:

The jedi were far more powerful and effective, Grievous was a great villain unlike in ROTS.

[Dragonyeuw]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buyflmtHcHc&feature=youtu.be&t=20s

The Prequels, ladies and gentlemen. :applause:

Holy fcuk that's terrible.

[Dragonyeuw]

I agree in the inconsistencies although a couple of your points can be explained.
Mace is the most accomplished and skilled sabre duelist of all time. Which is why he was able to subdue Palpatine. Having the others slayed showed how skilled Palpatine was, and just how much better Mace was.
Yoda was past his prime as a duelist. Could only keep up with use of the force.
But I guess you need to have in depth knowledge of the force to know this going into the movies.

That wasn't shown on screen, that's the problem. Just off the eye-test, Mace in his lone fight with Palpatine didn't show any special mastery of the saber beyond what we saw from Yoda, or shit even what Anakin and Obi-wan displayed in their duel. We're 'told' that Mace was a great fighter, just like we're told that Anakin and Obiwan were great friends, but it's horribly shown on-screen.

[Dragonyeuw]

Luke should be emotionally scarred considering he's an orphan, but no, he's just a typical restless kid who's stuck in a rut.



Why would he be? Owen and Beru seemed to be providing him a pretty stable life on Tatooine from birth. He had no knowledge or memory of his parents.

[gigantes]

unlike TFA, the prequels were at least new and interesting.

we got to see a bunch of very different locations, characters and situations. it was mostly underwhelming in the end, but at least you could say you got creativity and newness for the price of your ticket.

i'd walk the whole concept back even further, tho-- the whole star wars franchise is one brilliant, ground-breaking movie followed by another somewhat-equal one, followed by one which wrapped it all up but was already getting kind of cheesy and played out.

some of the books were interesting and some of the minor series and videogames had their moments, but in the end were talking about ONE solid film of brilliance and then an endless bunch of shit regurgitating the star wars brand for huge amounts of profit.

[~primetime~]

unlike TFA, the prequels were at least new and interesting.

we got to see a bunch of very different locations, characters and situations. it was mostly underwhelming in the end, but at least you could say you got creativity and newness for the price of your ticket.

i'd walk the whole concept back even further, tho-- the whole star wars franchise is one brilliant, ground-breaking movie followed by another somewhat-equal one, followed by one which wrapped it all up but was already getting kind of cheesy and played out.

some of the books were interesting and some of the minor series and videogames had their moments, but in the end were talking about ONE solid film of brilliance and then an endless bunch of shit regurgitating the star wars brand for huge amounts of profit.
Empire or New Hope?

[zoom17]

That wasn't shown on screen, that's the problem. Just off the eye-test, Mace in his lone fight with Palpatine didn't show any special mastery of the saber beyond what we saw from Yoda, or shit even what Anakin and Obi-wan displayed in their duel. We're 'told' that Mace was a great fighter, just like we're told that Anakin and Obiwan were great friends, but it's horribly shown on-screen.

Exactly the freaking trade federation got way to much screen time. Like who cares about the trade federation.

[cuad]

Yeah, those who love the prequels and other bad stories tend to be imposing their own story onto it. It's nothing to be ashamed of, because the brain naturally tries to fill in the blanks.

But a good watcher is someone who can distinguish what his brain is filling in vs what is really there.

[FKAri]

Prequels were good for what they were. Interesting spacey action adventure with some questionable character decision making. As long as you don't focus too much on the logic (like with movies like Avengers or Pacific Rim), you'll have a good time.

TFA was god awful. Not a single interesting scene. Just throw the old characters back on the screen and the fans will be too blinded by nostalgia to realize they're watching a defecting garbage man stormtrooper help in taking out...yet another..bigger..death star by putting a gun to someone's head and asking them to turn off the shields. Worst movie I've seen in theaters since Jumper and my excuse for walking into that is that it was a spontaneous watch.

[JohnFreeman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buyflmtHcHc&feature=youtu.be&t=20s

The Prequels, ladies and gentlemen. :applause:
Beautiful scene, better than anything in the originals.

[LJJ]

That wasn't shown on screen, that's the problem. Just off the eye-test, Mace in his lone fight with Palpatine didn't show any special mastery of the saber beyond what we saw from Yoda, or shit even what Anakin and Obi-wan displayed in their duel. We're 'told' that Mace was a great fighter, just like we're told that Anakin and Obiwan were great friends, but it's horribly shown on-screen.

That wasn't the problem, even with all the back story the prequel jedi order, jedi council and the jedis on it is one of the main **** ups by Lucas and all the other hack writers.

In the OT when Obiwan fights Vader he just sacrifices himself. Because even though he is a great force user and experienced jedi master, he's also just some old guy who's going to get his ass beat by a powerful warrior. And Yoda is an even greater master, but he's just some ratty weak bitch knicca who is in hiding because he is definitely not able to do shit against Vader and the empire in a direct confrontation. He's a master because he knows the mystical power of the force, not because he is the biggest badass fighter in the world.

Then in the prequels who is on the jedi council leading all the jedi "religion" and order and basically the galaxy? A bunch of really wise old scholars who understand the force really well, kind of like the jedi masters in the OT... right? They kinda-sorta try to give off this impression a few times.
But in the end no, each and every one of the jedi leaders are super soldier-general-teacher-pilot-professor-politician-wizard-savant-philosopher-superhero badasses.
It's retarded garbage.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I don't even dislike the prequels overall. I like Star Wars but the OT is before my time and I'm not that invested in it. But when you start thinking about how they handled and explained the lore of the OT, you can see why so many fans really really hate the prequels.

[TonyMontana]

Here's a reminder that when the prequels came out in the theaters everyone was hyping them up, and it was some huge thing just like with this new movie.

It wasn't until the movies came to VHS/DVD and people started rewatching them, that they started having this "the prequels blow!" and started latching on to the original trilogies sack to appear more hardcore.

The clone wars movie was definetly the worst prequel movie, and I remember everyone cheering and applauding throughout the movie. Especially when Yoda took out his lightsaber for the first time ever. The fact is that these movies are always seen more positively when you go see it in the theater, and there is excitement in the crowd. Rather than watching it at home in your living room.

The new movie is by far the worst one. It has zero rewatchability. Once it comes out on DVD, and the "movie cinema experience" is gone it will be almost conclusive that it is the worst one.

btw i love the prequels. the originals. but this new one sucked fukn ***.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Here's a reminder that when the prequels came out in the theaters everyone was hyping them up, and it was some huge thing just like with this new movie.

It wasn't until the movies came to VHS/DVD and people started rewatching them, that they started having this "the prequels blow!" and started latching on to the original trilogies sack to appear more hardcore.

The clone wars movie was definetly the worst prequel movie, and I remember everyone cheering and applauding throughout the movie. Especially when Yoda took out his lightsaber for the first time ever. The fact is that these movies are always seen more positively when you go see it in the theater, and there is excitement in the crowd. Rather than watching it at home in your living room.

The new movie is by far the worst one. It has zero rewatchability. Once it comes out on DVD, and the "movie cinema experience" is gone it will be almost conclusive that it is the worst one.

btw i love the prequels. the originals. but this new one sucked fukn ***.


Another poster who claims to love the prequels but can't remember the correct name of Episode II. :roll:

F--king try-hards.

[CavaliersFTW]

Here's a reminder that when the prequels came out in the theaters everyone was hyping them up, and it was some huge thing just like with this new movie.

It wasn't until the movies came to VHS/DVD and people started rewatching them, that they started having this "the prequels blow!" and started latching on to the original trilogies sack to appear more hardcore.

The clone wars movie was definetly the worst prequel movie, and I remember everyone cheering and applauding throughout the movie. Especially when Yoda took out his lightsaber for the first time ever. The fact is that these movies are always seen more positively when you go see it in the theater, and there is excitement in the crowd. Rather than watching it at home in your living room.

The new movie is by far the worst one. It has zero rewatchability. Once it comes out on DVD, and the "movie cinema experience" is gone it will be almost conclusive that it is the worst one.

btw i love the prequels. the originals. but this new one sucked fukn ***.
:applause:

[GIF REACTION]

Another poster who claims to love the prequels but can't remember the correct name of Episode II. :roll:

F--king try-hards.


Hey not all of us are Star Wars nerds like you

Some of us have social lives. Jobs. Businesses. We can't spend all our time on Star Wars now can we? Such a closed minded sheep follow the herd mentality you have. USE YOUR BRAIN WEE-MAN!

[JohnFreeman]

Hey not all of us are Star Wars nerds like you

Some of us have social lives. Jobs. Businesses. We can't spend all our time on Star Wars now can we? Such a closed minded sheep follow the herd mentality you have. USE YOUR BRAIN WEE-MAN!
Wow gif, you did him rough.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I honestly don't see much difference between movies like Transformers and Star Wars. It's visual pornography with garbage storylines and dialogue. But people love it cause it was cool when they were 6 years old.

[ThePhantomCreep]

:applause:

His point is idiotic--the OT hasn't diminished in stature since its theatrical run ended, has it? The trilogy made bank when it was re-released in 1997.

The prequels otoh wouldn't draw flies if they were re-released today--TPM 3-D tanked a few years ago. They're not good movies.


Hey not all of us are Star Wars nerds like you

Some of us have social lives. Jobs. Businesses. We can't spend all our time on Star Wars now can we? Such a closed minded sheep follow the herd mentality you have. USE YOUR BRAIN WEE-MAN!

But you had time to start this thread, post in it several times, and look up Roger Ebert's top 10 list to pass it off as your own. Something tells me free time isn't a scarce thing for you. :oldlol:

[GIF REACTION]

Wow gif, you did him rough.
Cheers, dude.

:applause:

[Dragonyeuw]

That wasn't the problem, even with all the back story the prequel jedi order, jedi council and the jedis on it is one of the main **** ups by Lucas and all the other hack writers.

In the OT when Obiwan fights Vader he just sacrifices himself. Because even though he is a great force user and experienced jedi master, he's also just some old guy who's going to get his ass beat by a powerful warrior. And Yoda is an even greater master, but he's just some ratty weak bitch knicca who is in hiding because he is definitely not able to do shit against Vader and the empire in a direct confrontation. He's a master because he knows the mystical power of the force, not because he is the biggest badass fighter in the world.

Then in the prequels who is on the jedi council leading all the jedi "religion" and order and basically the galaxy? A bunch of really wise old scholars who understand the force really well, kind of like the jedi masters in the OT... right? They kinda-sorta try to give off this impression a few times.
But in the end no, each and every one of the jedi leaders are super soldier-general-teacher-pilot-professor-politician-wizard-savant-philosopher-superhero badasses.
It's retarded garbage.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I don't even dislike the prequels overall. I like Star Wars but the OT is before my time and I'm not that invested in it. But when you start thinking about how they handled and explained the lore of the OT, you can see why so many fans really really hate the prequels.

It was a problem( how things were depicted) in the sense that in a visual medium, the idea is to 'show', not 'tell' the audience what is going on. The prequels were horrible at effectively 'showing'. Anakin's relationships with Padme and Obiwan, and his fall from grace, were central to the success of the prequels and shit writing made it all feel extremely flat. The audience has to be emotionally invested in what's happening for the payoff at the end.

As for the rest of your point, I didn't like how the Jedi were depicted either. I always envisioned them as some kind of secret order, living and operating in shadow. Certainly not the republic police/negotiators with a big fcuking tower smack down in the middle of Coruscant. And hell, in the OT, the saber being used was sort of an event unto itself because of its infrequent use. All the saber fights in the PT sort of took away the mysticism of it( for me).

[GIF REACTION]

Prequels > TFA

[Dresta]

I do find it funny that so many on here have got themselves so invested in this incredibly cruddy film that they resort to personal attacks on anyone who thought it was garbage. It's either 'trolling' or 'trying too hard' to do so apparently.

It's like y'all so desperate to convince yourselves that this film was good that you don't want any of the heretics around here posing questions you can't answer; you know, like: 'how can a film that is a complete rehash of its own antecedent, lacking in originality of any kind, full of the cheesiest and most cliched of dialogue, and contradictory in too many ways to count, be considered a good film, in any way, shape or form?'

[poido123]

It was cruddy.


I was hyped to see this, but left heavily disappointed.


Maybe it's me getting old and growing tired of predictable movies.


It was cheesy, boring and lacked any kind of flow. The best character in it happened to be a rolling computer making noises...


:(

[ThePhantomCreep]

I do find it funny that so many on here have got themselves so invested in this incredibly cruddy film that they resort to personal attacks on anyone who thought it was garbage. It's either 'trolling' or 'trying too hard' to do so apparently.

It's like y'all so desperate to convince yourselves that this film was good that you don't want any of the heretics around here posing questions you can't answer; you know, like: 'how can a film that is a complete rehash of its own antecedent, lacking in originality of any kind, full of the cheesiest and most cliched of dialogue, and contradictory in too many ways to count, be considered a good film, in any way, shape or form?'

Meh, TFA has a 94% rating with critics, near universal acclaim.

If anyone is trying too hard, it's posters who insist this shit is better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jmF900DHKk

Something else I've noticed--right-wing conservatives don't really like this film. Not all of them obviously, but a sizable amount. They bitch about the diversity quotient and (of course) the female lead. A few "men's rights" assholes even tried to boycott the film. They're probably Trump fans: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/star-wars-force-awakens-boycott-852471

[ThePhantomCreep]

Empire or New Hope?

http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2015/07/ESBWind.jpg

[Stout]

Hey not all of us are Star Wars nerds like you

Some of us have social lives. Jobs. Businesses. We can't spend all our time on Star Wars now can we? Such a closed minded sheep follow the herd mentality you have. USE YOUR BRAIN WEE-MAN!

So fans who "love" the prequels can balance having a social life, a job, watching the Star Wars movies, and posting about Star Wars movies on ISH, but remembering the names of the movies they "love" is where their brains draw the line? :confusedshrug:

[Stout]

I honestly don't see much difference between movies like Transformers and Star Wars. It's visual pornography with garbage storylines and dialogue. But people love it cause it was cool when they were 6 years old.
The characters of Star Wars >>>> the characters of Transformers.

[riseagainst]

prequels have a much better story line.

[DonDadda59]

prequels have a much better story line.

To be fair, we haven't seen the new trilogy's story line play out completely yet. I've said it before, I hope Disney let's Rian Johnson out of his cage because he showed great promise as a creative and innovative storyteller with 'Looper'.

[Legends66NBA7]

Can we all at least agree that Darth Maul would have wrecked Kylo Ren from TFA ?

I'm sure Ren will get to level that will eventually surpass Maul considering he has 2 more movies to go and Maul had the writing against him, but we can conclude Maul from TPM is still the more powerful warrior.

[KyrieTheFuture]

The characters of Star Wars >>>> the characters of Transformers.
In the originals sure, not the prequels or the new one.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Can we all at least agree that Darth Maul would have wrecked Kylo Ren from TFA ?

I'm sure Ren will get to level that will eventually surpass Maul considering he has 2 more movies to go and Maul had the writing against him, but we can conclude Maul from TPM is still the more powerful warrior.

Kylo Ren has more character depth in his pinky than Darth Maul in his half-body, but yeah, Darth Maul would win.

[~primetime~]

In the originals sure, not the prequels or the new one.
Like Megan Fox and Shia Labeouf?

Seriously?


Some of you are just being ridiculous


"TFA is worse than Clooney Batman and Robin!"

Just stop it

[GIF REACTION]

The prequels failed due to poor execution

But the idea, story and characters are far superior to TFA

I don't care if you play it safe... I've already seen this story.You don't get props for ripping someone elses story and calling it your own.

[ThePhantomCreep]

The prequels failed due to poor execution

But the idea, story and characters are far superior to TFA

I don't care if you play it safe... I've already seen this story.You don't get props for ripping someone elses story and calling it your own.



The prequels did not have better characters--there's a reason none of them resonated with the public the way Luke, Han, Leia, etc, did.

The most memorable new character was Jar Jar Binks, but he was memorable for all the wrong reasons. The others (Mace Windu, Dooku, Grievious, Nute Gunray) have long been forgotten by non-Star Wars fans. Even Padme, played by Natalie Portman, couldn't make a dent in the public consciousness.

I guarantee you Rey, Finn, Kylo Ren, and BB-8 will be more fondly remembered.

[GIF REACTION]

The prequels did not have better characters--there's a reason none of them resonated with the public the way Luke, Han, Leia, etc, did.

The most memorable new character was Jar Jar Binks, but he was memorable for all the wrong reasons. The others (Mace Windu, Dooku, Grievious, Nute Gunray) have long been forgotten by non-Star Wars fans. Even Padme, played by Natalie Portman, couldn't make a dent in the public consciousness.

I guarantee you Rey, Finn, Kylo Ren, and BB-8 will be more fondly remembered.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[ThePhantomCreep]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Took 20 days:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-star-wars-the-force-awakens-avatar-box-office-record-20160106-story.html

TFA is a cultural phenomenon the Prequels could only dream of being.

[GIF REACTION]

Took 20 days:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-star-wars-the-force-awakens-avatar-box-office-record-20160106-story.html

TFA is a cultural phenomenon the Prequels could only dream of being.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Smook B]

I do find it funny that so many on here have got themselves so invested in this incredibly cruddy film that they resort to personal attacks on anyone who thought it was garbage. It's either 'trolling' or 'trying too hard' to do so apparently.

It's like y'all so desperate to convince yourselves that this film was good that you don't want any of the heretics around here posing questions you can't answer; you know, like: 'how can a film that is a complete rehash of its own antecedent, lacking in originality of any kind, full of the cheesiest and most cliched of dialogue, and contradictory in too many ways to count, be considered a good film, in any way, shape or form?'

You just described phantomcrap.

[Dragonyeuw]

Can we all at least agree that Darth Maul would have wrecked Kylo Ren from TFA ?



If we take their characters as is? Easily. That said, Kylo appears stronger in terms of force usage, if he evolves his saber skills in the followup I can't see him not passing Maul.

[Stout]

The prequels failed due to poor execution

But the idea, story and characters are far superior to TFA

I don't care if you play it safe... I've already seen this story.You don't get props for ripping someone elses story and calling it your own.
The execution is the most important part though. I can have excellent ideas for inventions, but it doesn't mean anything unless I execute it and execute it well.

[tomtucker]

Kathleen Kennedy.
I have a story department up at Lucasfilm, and four out of the six people who make up that story department are women," Kennedy says. "So there were as many women sitting in the room having those discussion as there were men. I think that, in and of itself, is what really began to help [Rey] take shape in a way that was relevant to us. And hopefully relevant to other women seeing the film. I think having all those voices in the room, along with mine, was extremely important."
.

Yep, expect more sequels which includes cuckholded and emasculated men, while the "strong" female saves the day. This Hunger Game/Divergent formula is getting pretty stale.

no man should pay a cent for this bullshit movie

[hateraid]

Kathleen Kennedy.
.


no man should pay a cent for this bullshit movie

Hmmm...
Makes me see it in a different light now.
The fact they are forcing the women's perspective is a pretty big turnoff. I thought they were going off the novels.

[~primetime~]

oh god...yes they wanted to appeal to women and blacks and not JUST white males.

who gives a shit


If Rey was male the passionate haters would suddenly love this movie? :facepalm It's like the reason they hate this so much is because they hate that Rey is female...it's their own personal war against feminism.

[JerrySeinfeld]

oh god...yes they wanted to appeal to women and blacks and not JUST white males.

who gives a shit


If Rey was male the passionate haters would suddenly love this movie? :facepalm It's like the reason they hate this so much is because they hate that Rey is female...it's their own personal war against feminism.

They should be trying to appeal to star wars fans of the past along with drawing in a new generation of younger fans... not making the movie with race or gender goals in mind. The criticisms do seem legit after watching the movie.

Am I the only one who thought that the guy playing Finn was a terrible actor?

[~primetime~]

They should be trying to appeal to star wars fans of the past along with drawing in a new generation of younger fans...
that's exactly what they were doing

[hateraid]

oh god...yes they wanted to appeal to women and blacks and not JUST white males.

who gives a shit


If Rey was male the passionate haters would suddenly love this movie? :facepalm It's like the reason they hate this so much is because they hate that Rey is female...it's their own personal war against feminism.

I think the issue is more to do with forcing the issue instead of letting it grow and appeal organically. The fact that they are open about forcing the gender issue is a little disappointing. As for a female being the main hero in itself is not the problem. I was cool with it until that aspect was brought up.

Never the less I will still watch and enjoy with the fam.

[ROCSteady]

I liked Rey and don't give a shit if she's female. To me, she is a good protagonist for the new trilogy


The Ghostbusters cast doe? F U C K .. that ... shit.

[falc39]

They should be trying to appeal to star wars fans of the past along with drawing in a new generation of younger fans... not making the movie with race or gender goals in mind. The criticisms do seem legit after watching the movie.

Am I the only one who thought that the guy playing Finn was a terrible actor?

I'll have to read up on this Kathleen Kennedy person later since I'm at work. Sounds like she could be letting her own personal war affect her decisions on the job.

I didn't think Finn was a terrible actor, more like the role and directions they gave him was pretty crappy. He was supposed to be a defected soldier, raised and trained from birth to fight. But he spent most of the movie as the dumb comic relief and as a foil to make Rey look more independent. Can't fault him for that if that's what the writers and director wanted out of him.

[DonDadda59]

that's exactly what they were doing

Disney played the marketing aspect beautifully. They ticked off every box for potential new fans and as a result... Shattering box office records left and right.

Whoever is working in their marketing wing deserves every last penny of their cut.

[ROCSteady]

Disney played the marketing aspect beautifully. They ticked off every box for potential new fans and as a result... Shattering box office records left and right.

Whoever is working in their marketing wing deserves every last penny of their cut.


Nah fam. There was no transgender TIE fighter. No bi curious Stormtrooper either although who knows what Captain Phasma is packin under that chrome

[DonDadda59]

Nah fam. There was no transgender TIE fighter. No bi curious Stormtrooper either although who knows what Captain Phasma is packin under that chrome

Episode VIII & IX... The Star Wars logo will be rainbow colored. :crazysam:

[Nick Young]

They should be trying to appeal to star wars fans of the past along with drawing in a new generation of younger fans... not making the movie with race or gender goals in mind. The criticisms do seem legit after watching the movie.

Am I the only one who thought that the guy playing Finn was a terrible actor?
yes

[ROCSteady]

Episode VIII & IX... The Star Wars logo will be rainbow colored. :crazysam:

Kathleen Kennedy will say the decision was to "pay homage to the spectrum of ALL element emissions found in the vast and diverse Star Wars, registered trademark, galaxy."


But we be like, B!tch we know what you playin :coleman:

[Dresta]

oh god...yes they wanted to appeal to women and blacks and not JUST white males.

who gives a shit


If Rey was male the passionate haters would suddenly love this movie? :facepalm It's like the reason they hate this so much is because they hate that Rey is female...it's their own personal war against feminism.
I would've had no problem with a female protagonist, provided she actually had to work and graft for something, rather than magically being the best at absolutely everything from the get-go; that was absurd, and it suggests an agenda to me (strong, all-powerful and all-knowing female role model). High achievement should always be a struggle for any man or woman, because that is the reality of things. It may be sci-fi, but i've never read any sci-fi or even fantasy stuff that ignores this premise in such a way; the hero or protagonist always has to work to achieve their powers; this always takes time and training, something of which this character had neither.

Nothing wrong with a black protagonist either, provided he isn't a stormtrooper with a conscience (the only one apparently) that fights with a lightsaber against the supposed Sith badass, and isn't instantly cut to pieces. Not to mention all the cringe buddy stuff with that characterless rebel pilot.

If i wanted to watch a good and entertaining black/white buddy movie i'd have watched this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/Last_boy_scout.jpg

It's not the fact that they did it, but that it was so glaringly obvious that they were doing it - there is such a thing as subtlety, but that's something the people who made this garbage can of a film clearly haven't heard of. They didn't even write a new plot-line for these characterless characters: they just plugged them into a recycled rehash of the first film, with a bit of diversity sprinkled in (changing the colour and sexes of the characters doesn't make it any newer, or more original; it just ensures more popular appeal, and is done largely for marketing and PR purposes). These things make money at the same time as getting a tonne of positive publicity - applauding them for their own sake is just facile.

Honestly, I barely care enough about any Star Wars to post on the topic, and will likely never see the film again, but these things were very apparent, not just to me, but to everyone i watched it with over the age of 14 (including several female University professors who like to think of themselves as feminists).

[ROCSteady]

Rey was probably trained for years already.


Repressed Extensive Jedi Training + Skywalker genes = HARD IN DA PAINT

[ThePhantomCreep]

oh god...yes they wanted to appeal to women and blacks and not JUST white males.

who gives a shit


If Rey was male the passionate haters would suddenly love this movie? :facepalm It's like the reason they hate this so much is because they hate that Rey is female...it's their own personal war against feminism.

Conservatives. :lol

White Nationalists and Men's Rights advocates are among the most vocal critics of the film.

[~primetime~]

They were in a no-win situation

had the entire cast been just white males then there would have been an even bigger uproar

they decided to go against the lesser crowd...young white males who feel threatened by feminism

[ThePhantomCreep]

I would've had no problem with a female protagonist, provided she actually had to work and graft for something, rather than magically being the best at absolutely everything from the get-go; that was absurd, and it suggests an agenda to me (strong, all-powerful and all-knowing female role model). High achievement should always be a struggle for any man or woman, because that is the reality of things. It may be sci-fi, but i've never read any sci-fi or even fantasy stuff that ignores this premise in such a way; the hero or protagonist always has to work to achieve their powers; this always takes time and training, something of which this character had neither.

Nothing wrong with a black protagonist either, provided he isn't a stormtrooper with a conscience (the only one apparently) that fights with a lightsaber against the supposed Sith badass, and isn't instantly cut to pieces. Not to mention all the cringe buddy stuff with that characterless rebel pilot.

If i wanted to watch a good and entertaining black/white buddy movie i'd have watched this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/Last_boy_scout.jpg

It's not the fact that they did it, but that it was so glaringly obvious that they were doing it - there is such a thing as subtlety, but that's something the people who made this garbage can of a film clearly haven't heard of. They didn't even write a new plot-line for these characterless characters: they just plugged them into a recycled rehash of the first film, with a bit of diversity sprinkled in (changing the colour and sexes of the characters doesn't make it any newer, or more original; it just ensures more popular appeal, and is done largely for marketing and PR purposes). These things make money at the same time as getting a tonne of positive publicity - applauding them for their own sake is just facile.

Honestly, I barely care enough about any Star Wars to post on the topic, and will likely never see the film again, but these things were very apparent, not just to me, but to everyone i watched it with over the age of 14 (including several female University professors who like to think of themselves as feminists).

Right-wingers and their fear of V@ginas. :oldlol:

Rey wasn't the best at everything, and she already had a decent skillset when the movie begins. Fighting, scavenging, fixing things, taking things apart, negotiating with big jerks--the film makes it very clear these skills were extremely important for her basic survival.

She lived the life of a scavenger--learning to fight and being crafty is part of of the lifestyle. These weren't traits she magically learned on the spot. :no:

People bitch about her ability to use the Jedi Mind Trick, but I find it interesting that she only learned to use it after Kylo tried to read her mind. Never before.

Rey could barely fly the Millennium Falcon and she almost gets everyone killed releasing the monsters in Han's cargo ship. She even gets captured at one point. She's no more a Mary Sue than Luke, Little Anakin, and a whole host of White male protagonists who came before her. You're only seeing what you want to see.

[Stout]

oh god...yes they wanted to appeal to women and blacks and not JUST white males.

who gives a shit


If Rey was male the passionate haters would suddenly love this movie? :facepalm It's like the reason they hate this so much is because they hate that Rey is female...it's their own personal war against feminism.
Agreed. A fun movie is a fun movie, regardless of the main characters gender. Aliens is one of my favorite movies of all time, and it featured a strong female character. Not sure why this stuff bothers people.

[Stout]

They should be trying to appeal to star wars fans of the past along with drawing in a new generation of younger fans... not making the movie with race or gender goals in mind. The criticisms do seem legit after watching the movie.

Am I the only one who thought that the guy playing Finn was a terrible actor?
The new generation does care about race and gender goals though :confusedshrug: Trust me, in the end their goal is money, not message. Only reason a message is involved is because it in this day and age, it likely does help with money. The amount of white males that boycott this movie out of principle is easily the minority.

And I loved the Finn character, as do many others. He was entertaining.

[Stout]

Nah fam. There was no transgender TIE fighter. No bi curious Stormtrooper either although who knows what Captain Phasma is packin under that chrome
There is a rumor that Poe could be a gay character.

[Nick Young]

I just don't want to see a Finn-Poe-Rey gay love triangle.

Or a Finn and Poe homothon.

I don't care if Poe is gay. Just please don't go full homo, Star Wars.

[Terahite]

Right-wingers and their fear of V@ginas. :oldlol:

Rey wasn't the best at everything, and she already had a decent skillset when the movie begins. Fighting, scavenging, fixing things, taking things apart, negotiating with big jerks--the film makes it very clear these skills were extremely important for her basic survival.

She lived the life of a scavenger--learning to fight and being crafty is part of of the lifestyle. These weren't traits she magically learned on the spot. :no:

People bitch about her ability to use the Jedi Mind Trick, but I find it interesting that she only learned to use it after Kylo tried to read her mind. Never before.

Rey could barely fly the Millennium Falcon and she almost gets everyone killed releasing the monsters in Han's cargo ship. She even gets captured at one point. She's no more a Mary Sue than Luke, Little Anakin, and a whole host of White male protagonists who came before her. You're only seeing what you want to see.

You're like 17 years old right?

[CavaliersFTW]

You're like 17 years old right?
Rey flew a cargo ship into the belly of a star destroyer evading military trained fighter pilots in tiny agile fighters and got everyone out safe and sound the first time she ever flew it while the military trained fighter pilots crashed and died :lol

[DonDadda59]

They were in a no-win situation

had the entire cast been just white males then there would have been an even bigger uproar

they decided to go against the lesser crowd...young white males who feel threatened by feminism

How long before Citizens Against Forced Intergalactic Diversity (CAFID) grab their guns and occupy Disney's corporate headquarters? :confusedshrug:

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/uploads/4/oregon_protesters_01-12-2015.jpg

[ErhnamDjinn]

I actually don't think Sith is far off from TFA. I don't hate any of the prequels either.

:oldlol: @ the rest being better.
I like the phantom Menace and revenge and the battles in Clone wars,

only thing I didnt like was the acting of Anakin, the sappy love story and to much CGI.

[~primetime~]

Citizens Against Forced Intergalactic Diversity (CAFID)
:oldlol:

[falc39]

Kathleen Kennedy.
.


no man should pay a cent for this bullshit movie

So this Kathleen Kennedy person is something lol. I guess since Lucas is gone, she is getting her first big shot at this.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-ca-hc-the-women-of-star-wars-the-force-awakens-20151206-htmlstory.html


The "Star Wars" narrative has always favored the pilot. Han Solo is a pilot. Anakin Skywalker was heralded as the cringe-inducing, pod-racing prodigy who later grows up to be "the best star pilot in the galaxy" (according to old man Obi-Wan). Even Luke Skywalker could bull's-eye a womp rat while flying (and it's not much bigger than 2 meters). So the news that Rey sits front and center, skillfully piloting the prize of the "Star Wars" skies is a big deal.

"It's fantastic," Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy says about Ridley's role in the film. "I think what's great about it is Rey, her character, is such a good pilot. That isn't something she's turning and asking how to do, that's something she's doing."

Just make her a good pilot because that's what Luke and Anakin was. :oldlol: Sounds like stuff of fan fiction. Is that their line of thinking for all her other attributes? Han Solo could fly the millennium falcon, lets make her do that too! R2-D2 was good at repairing ships... can't out-do Rey! C-3PO can speak a ton of different languages... so can she!! Let's go have her friends rescue her, but instead, she will end up rescuing herself by having the force awaken!!! lol :facepalm :facepalm


"Rey's not important because she's a woman, she's just important," Ridley says. "But obviously, having a woman like this in a film is hugely important."

Can't even go two sentences without contradicting herself :facepalm


How did the re-focus on realistic female characters in "Star Wars" occur? Perhaps it was simply Kennedy's not-so-outlandish-idea of putting women in the writing and development room. Long before there was Rey or Phasma or even Lupita Nyong'o's mysterious 1,000-year-old space pirate Maz Kanata (whose character will be entirely computer-generated), months were spent in the story conference room creating characters and ideas.

"I have a story department up at Lucasfilm, and four out of the six people who make up that story department are women," Kennedy says. "So there were as many women sitting in the room having those discussion as there were men. I think that, in and of itself, is what really began to help [Rey] take shape in a way that was relevant to us. And hopefully relevant to other women seeing the film. I think having all those voices in the room, along with mine, was extremely important."

Before anything was even written she was already thinking about the ideal Rey-like character and packing the conference room with females to have a voice for it. Talk about letting personal battles affect your job. If that isn't Mary Sueing a character in, then I don't know what is.

Rey = Kathleen Kennedy's Mary Sue

The funny thing is Kennedy is acting like she did something of incredible significance by shaping Rey, when in fact, it has been already done and there are much better heroines in film already. Hunger games>TFA. At least the Hunger Games people didn't obsess like this over gender politics so much that they forgot to tell a good and original story with balanced characters.

[CavaliersFTW]

Kathleen Kennedy.
.


no man should pay a cent for this bullshit movie
:applause:

[falc39]

More bone-headed quotes from the article:


Still, you won't find Phasma in the scantily clad role of the hero nor will you see her as the stereotypical slithering, seductive female villain.

"We see women in a different range of roles in the film," Christie says. "And the reason I love my character so much and I feel so enthusiastic about Capt. Phasma is, yes, she's cool, she looks cool, she's a villain — but more than that, we see a female character and respond to her not because of the way she looks. We respond to her because of her actions. I think we're a society that has promoted a homogenized idea of beauty in women — and in men — and I think it's really interesting, modern and necessary to have a female character that isn't about the way her body looks. It isn't about her wearing makeup. It's not about her being conventionally feminized. The idea of this enormous legacy and franchise embracing an idea like that, which of course to many of us feels logical, is actually really progressive. And long overdue."

Really, that's what you are proud of in your character? That's what they told you to get the role? Your character didn't do anything in the film. You just wore a shiny suit. Didn't even take off your helmet. No one even saw your face or any talent in your acting because you weren't even given an opportunity. When you got captured you became an obedient and weak hostage who lowered the shields to an entire death star planet. Then, you were offed as a butt of a nostalgia joke. Your character isn't cool. This can't be real. This actor can't be that dumb.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Rey flew a cargo ship into the belly of a star destroyer evading military trained fighter pilots in tiny agile fighters and got everyone out safe and sound the first time she ever flew it while the military trained fighter pilots crashed and died :lol

Luke, with zero combat experience, blew up the Death Star literally with his eyes closed. :lol

But that's OK because you're old and everything old is totally perfect and awesome!

[CavaliersFTW]

Luke, with zero combat experience, blew up the Death Star literally with his eyes closed. :lol

But that's OK because you're old and everything old is totally perfect and awesome!
Luke was given a backstory that was mentioned in the film as being an ace t-16 pilot - a craft that was extremely similar to the X wing

And he used to bulls eye womp rats in beggars canyon - womp rats 2 meters the same size as the hole he needed to blast in the CANYON of the death star. He mentioned this when his piloting skills were called into question by the lead pilot.

- he also needed help - he also didn't fight with a lightsaber or "force-pull" one in that movie that took him 3 years and plus some training with Yoda the 900 year old jedi master - he also didn't learn jedi mind trick or actually DEFEAT a dark side trained warrior that took him 6 years after training/guidance by Yoda and Obiwan


Mary sue did every thing luke ever did in 6 years by just imagining it all herself in 20 minutes

[DonDadda59]

Before anything was even written she was already thinking about the ideal Rey-like character and packing the conference room with females to have a voice for it. Talk about letting personal battles affect your job. If that isn't Mary Sueing a character in, then I don't know what is.

Rey = Kathleen Kennedy's Mary Sue

The funny thing is Kennedy is acting like she did something of incredible significance by shaping Rey, when in fact, it has been already done and there are much better heroines in film already. Hunger games>TFA. At least the Hunger Games people didn't obsess like this over gender politics so much that they forgot to tell a good and original story with balanced characters.


Say what you will about Ms. Kennedy, but that woman has earned the right to make Rey as strong at the Incredible Hulk.


Kennedy is third only to Spielberg and Stan Lee in domestic box office receipts, with over $6 billion as of December 2015

...

Overall, Kennedy's work has included over 60 films, 120 Academy Award nominations, and over $11 billion worldwide including three of the highest grossing films in motion picture history.


That bitch earned her stripes. :bowdown:

[Nick Young]

Rey has a pilot backstory too, Disney even released a book about it.

ALSO her mom was probably a rebel pilot. And her dad was probably Luke Skywalker, meaning her gramps is Anakin, the best pilot ever.

So piloting comes natural to her.

[Nick Young]

Luke was given a backstory that was mentioned in the film as being an ace t-16 pilot - a craft that was extremely similar to the X wing

And he used to bulls eye womp rats in beggars canyon - womp rats 2 meters the same size as the hole he needed to blast in the CANYON of the death star. He mentioned this when his piloting skills were called into question by the lead pilot.

- he also needed help - he also didn't fight with a lightsaber or "force-pull" one in that movie that took him 3 years and plus some training with Yoda the 900 year old jedi master - he also didn't learn jedi mind trick or actually DEFEAT a dark side trained warrior that took him 6 years after training/guidance by Yoda and Obiwan


Mary sue did every thing luke ever did in 6 years by just imagining it all herself in 20 minutes

Anakin blew up a trade federation battle ship his first time ever flying a starfighter. When he was 8 years old.



#REKT

[DonDadda59]

Anakin blew up a trade federation battle ship his first time ever flying a starfighter. When he was 8 years old.



#REKT

Part of the reason why TPM was straight trash. :confusedshrug:

[CavaliersFTW]

Rey has a pilot backstory too, Disney even released a book about it.

ALSO her mom was probably a rebel pilot. And her dad was probably Luke Skywalker, meaning her gramps is Anakin, the best pilot ever.

So piloting comes natural to her.
Great - that explains all the stuff about Luke being trained by yoda for 6 years but being no better at jedi'ing than Rey was after 20 minutes

[CavaliersFTW]

Anakin blew up a trade federation battle ship his first time ever flying a starfighter. When he was 8 years old.



#REKT
That shit was on auto pilot for 3/4 of the scene and he's the CHOSEN ONE. Rey isn't.

He also didn't force pull darth mauls lightsaber and beat his ass in a lightsaber fight and jedi mind trick his way through the movie like a jedi master

#REKT

[DonDadda59]

It'd be pretty funny if Rey ends up tutoring Luke in the next movie. :lol

[JohnFreeman]

Well I tallied up the votes in this thread, and it looks like the prequels win by a landslide.

Thanks guys.

[falc39]

It'd be pretty funny if Rey ends up tutoring Luke in the next movie. :lol

Why does she even need him? Went through like 75% of his character arc in half an hour :lol

Luke sucked at fighting. Would've died at the end too against the emperor but had to have his father save him. The only thing he can teach her is... what.. compassion? lol

[Nick Young]

Great - that explains all the stuff about Luke being trained by yoda for 6 years but being no better at jedi'ing than Rey was after 20 minutes
Luke trained for a few weeks with Yoda MAX before he went off to fly to cloud city.


The first time he sees Yoda again is when he goes back in Return of the Jedi.


Luke never trained for 6 years with Yoda.



His total amount of training he had was Obi Wan telling him to "clear his mind and trust his feelings" and then obi wans ghost saying "Use the force". Then he had two weeks with Yoda, but it might have only been a few days. It's not clear because how the film was edited.

That is the extent of Luke's jedi training. 1 day with Obi-Wan. A few weeks with Yoda.

[Nick Young]

That shit was on auto pilot for 3/4 of the scene and he's the CHOSEN ONE. Rey isn't.

He also didn't force pull darth mauls lightsaber and beat his ass in a lightsaber fight and jedi mind trick his way through the movie like a jedi master

#REKT
Rey is the granddaughter of the chosen one.

So autopilot destroyed the Trade Federation Ship, not Anakin? So were the other Naboo pilots retarded? Why didn't everyone set their fighters on auto-pilot if it's that powerful?

Kylo Ren isn't close to the same level as Darth Maul. He's a conflicted emo who isn't the finished product. Darth Maul was an elite killer with elite training. Kylo Ren is probably 6+ years of training away from reaching Darth Maul's level.

[CavaliersFTW]

It'd be pretty funny if Rey ends up tutoring Luke in the next movie. :lol
In 20 minutes she's already as good as luke was 6 years into his training so by next movie she'll be more powerful than Palpatine. Not sure what the third movie will be about, her force killing every male villain in the galaxy with a passing thought? Luke will probably be just one of an army of her male servants and the moral of the trilogy will be to never underestimate the power of women.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Luke was given a backstory that was mentioned in the film as being an ace t-16 pilot - a craft that was extremely similar to the X wing

And he used to bulls eye womp rats in beggars canyon - womp rats 2 meters the same size as the hole he needed to blast in the CANYON of the death star. He mentioned this when his piloting skills were called into question by the lead pilot.

- he also needed help - he also didn't fight with a lightsaber or "force-pull" one in that movie that took him 3 years and plus some training with Yoda the 900 year old jedi master - he also didn't learn jedi mind trick or actually DEFEAT a dark side trained warrior that took him 6 years after training/guidance by Yoda and Obiwan


Mary sue did every thing luke ever did in 6 years by just imagining it all herself in 20 minutes

Rey has a backstory too--were you too busy lamenting the lack of 70s style haircuts to notice? :oldlol:

Luke Skywalker, with zero combat experience, blew up the Death Star with his f--king eyes closed.

All your complaints about Rey are pretty hollow in light of that. These are fantasy films, dude.

Is she more advanced that ANH Luke? Yes.
ROTJ Luke? Not even close.

She only beat Kylo Ren because he was gravely wounded and under orders not to kill her.

[DonDadda59]

Why does she even need him? Went through like 75% of his character arc in half an hour :lol

Yeah, she's already at the level he was at in ROTJ after years of training and struggle... maybe beyond that, like 20 minutes after finding out about the force second-hand from Han. :oldlol:


Luke sucked at fighting. Would've died at the end too against the emperor but had to have his father save him. The only thing he can teach her is... what.. compassion? lol

I haven't read any of the EU stuff other than synopses (and I think technically all the stuff Big George said was cannon is now no longer cannon) but I think Luke ends up being pound for pound the GOAT Jedi. He spends a decade+ learning from old Jedi holocrons, a Jedi library he found, and the spirits of Yoda and Obi.

He gets to the point of being powerful enough to create mini black holes, bringing down those massive Imperial fleets, etc.

But since Ms. Kennedy is running the show now, Rey will probably just whoop Luke's ass and steal his robe.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Why does she even need him? Went through like 75% of his character arc in half an hour :lol

Luke sucked at fighting. Would've died at the end too against the emperor but had to have his father save him. The only thing he can teach her is... what.. compassion? lol

Luke beat the living shit out of Vader in ROTJ. Didn't even need any additional lessons from Yoda to do it either.

I'd say he was pretty good at fighting.

[DonDadda59]

Luke beat the living shit out of Vader in ROTJ. Didn't even need any additional lessons from Yoda to do it either.

I'd say he was pretty good at fighting.

To be fair, Vader never really had any intention of killing Luke and Luke knew it (even said as much in ROTJ if I remember correctly). He always held back whenever they fought. Even then, still sliced off his own son's hand in battle.

[zoom17]

What are people saying Rey is so powerful Obi-wan, Windu, Maul, Vader/Anakain, Yoda, Luke and Palpatine can all beat her.

[CavaliersFTW]

What are people saying Rey is so powerful Obi-wan, Windu, Maul, Vader/Anakain, Luke and Palpatine can all beat her.
Life long Jedi/Sith masters - those are like some of the most powerful jedi EVER

...and she's as powerful as Luke was in his 6 years of training UNDER the tutelage of Yoda and Obi Wan.

She got that powerful in just 20 minutes after learning 2nd hand from Han Solo merely that the force was "real" :roll:

[Nick Young]

In 20 minutes she's already as good as luke was 6 years into his training so by next movie she'll be more powerful than Palpatine. Not sure what the third movie will be about, her force killing every male villain in the galaxy with a passing thought? Luke will probably be just one of an army of her male servants and the moral of the trilogy will be to never underestimate the power of women.
Luke didn't have 6 years of training.

He had one day of training with Obi-Wan and a few weeks max with Yoda, which we saw in Empire Strikes Back.

[falc39]

Luke beat the living shit out of Vader in ROTJ. Didn't even need any additional lessons from Yoda to do it either.

I'd say he was pretty good at fighting.

Vader never got close to his prime after what happened in episode 3. In the original trilogy, he is only seen beating obi-wan, who was already complaining about being too old for fighting and ended up sacrificing himself anyway. Hard to place how good of a fighter Vader ultimately became without much of a sample size.

[DonDadda59]

What are people saying Rey is so powerful Obi-wan, Windu, Maul, Vader/Anakain, Yoda, Luke and Palpatine can all beat her.

I wouldn't put money on that. Give her a week and she'd dice them all up one by one, back to back. :ohwell:


Luke didn't have 6 years of training.

He had one day of training with Obi-Wan and a few weeks max with Yoda, which we saw in Empire Strikes Back.

Part of Obi-Wan warning Vader about striking him down had to do with the fact that Obi more or less transferred his spirit into Luke and was guiding many of his actions. Living on through the force or the force ghost technique which episode III made clear was a secret that only Qui Gon knew... Which was a technique he taught Yoda and Obi-Wan posthumously while they were in exile.

We can assume Obi taught Luke in the same way (and continued to do so after the events of ROTJ according to the EU).

[Nick Young]

Life long Jedi/Sith masters - those are like some of the most powerful jedi EVER

...and she's as powerful as Luke was in his 6 years of training UNDER the tutelage of Yoda and Obi Wan.

She got that powerful in just 20 minutes after learning 2nd hand from Han Solo merely that the force was "real" :roll:
She was only able to do force things after they were done to her.

She only was able to use the mind rape technique after Kylo Ren mind raped her. She was only able to use the Jedi Mind Trick after she saw Ren do it. She was only able to force grab after Kylo Ren force pushed her and after she watched him try to grab the saber.

In her final fight with kylo ren she is running away and retreating for the entire fight, and clearly losing until the very last moment when she turns force SSJ and wins.

Kylo Ren had a direct shot in his hip from a wookie bowcaster. Plus he was a mental disaster after killing his dad. Rey's best trait as a jedi is she's determined and doesn't whine and bitch and complain about things, unlike Anakin, Luke and Kylo Ren, who all let their whiney emo tendencies get in the way of their true strength.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Vader never got close to his prime after what happened in episode 3. In the original trilogy, he is only seen beating obi-wan, who was already complaining about being too old for fighting and ended up sacrificing himself anyway. Hard to place how good of a fighter Vader ultimately became without much of a sample size.

The OT (especially ESB) very clearly implies that Darth Vader was powerful a fark. Dude can deflect blaster rays with his hands and toss countless objects at Luke with the flick of the wrist. He isn't the most iconic villian of all time for nothing.

Until someone invents a PER for Jedi, I'm going to assume he was way powerful with the Force.

When Luke stands over Vader at the end of ROTJ, returning the favor for the severed hand bit in ESB, it demonstrated clearly how far his powers had come. Even the Emperor recognized it.

Rey is nowhere near that powerful yet, she's at Hoth Luke's level at best. She can control the Force a bit better than Hoth Luke, but he's a way better pilot.

[Legends66NBA7]

I like the phantom Menace and revenge and the battles in Clone wars,

only thing I didnt like was the acting of Anakin, the sappy love story and to much CGI.

I didn't like the fact they didn't build on the main villians more (Maul, Dooku, Grevious) and the pacing was too slow. Acting has never really been Star Wars strength, it's strength is it's story telling and music IMO, and the prequels have some amazing tracks. Even the love story (which was pretty contrived and forced) has a memorable theme:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9nk_WHHTQtY


I also agree the CGI is over done, but I did like how the planets looked.

[CavaliersFTW]

I didn't like the fact they didn't build on the main villians more (Maul, Dooku, Grevious) and the pacing was too slow. Acting has never really been Star Wars strength, it's strength is it's story telling and music IMO, and the prequels have some amazing tracks. Even the love story (which was pretty contrived and forced) has a memorable theme:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9nk_WHHTQtY


I also agree the CGI is over done, but I did like how the planets looked.
The main villain however, had one of the greatest builds in a trilogy history

Palpatine is an awesome character in my opinion and though we all "knew" who he was anyways his revelation to being evil was still somehow fascinating. The thing with the prequels is we all kind of knew the story coming into it as George Lucas had always publicly talked about clone wars and the fall of anakin in some big battle with obi wan on a lava planet - I remember knowing about that before Episode I came out. What we didn't know was how did that guy Palpatine go from being a senator and/or a shadowy figure called sideous to the cackling old man controling Vader and seducing Luke to the dark side in ROTJ. That was a well done heal turn reveal and inside job.

The other villains didn't get enough screen time I agree. The only villain in the prequels I just never liked at all though was grievous. I thought he was too fake looking and didn't like his cough and stuff. Dooku seemed imposing reminiscent of Vader fighting Luke in ESB in his first fight like he was just toying with Obi Wan and Anakan but got killed off too easily in the 3rd movie. He looked like a bad ass in the 2nd episode and should have put up a more threatening fight in the 3rd - maybe lasted at least half way into the movie and had obi wan fight him a second time instead of grievous somehow.

[Stout]

Luke didn't have 6 years of training.

He had one day of training with Obi-Wan and a few weeks max with Yoda, which we saw in Empire Strikes Back.
They indicated that Han was in carbonite for a couple of years, so Luke got quite a bit more training than a couple of weeks.

[Stout]

The main villain however, had one of the greatest builds in a trilogy history


A long build up isn't necessarily great. We were led to believe before the prequels that he was this great Jedi who turned to the dark side. Instead, what was got was an angsty teenager who was already filled with anger getting easily manipulated into joining the dark side. It would have been great if they made him genuinely likeable and made the pull of the dark side actually convincing, but that is not what we got and the result and build was underwhelming IMO.

[Dresta]

She was only able to do force things after they were done to her.

She only was able to use the mind rape technique after Kylo Ren mind raped her. She was only able to use the Jedi Mind Trick after she saw Ren do it. She was only able to force grab after Kylo Ren force pushed her and after she watched him try to grab the saber.

In her final fight with kylo ren she is running away and retreating for the entire fight, and clearly losing until the very last moment when she turns force SSJ and wins.

Kylo Ren had a direct shot in his hip from a wookie bowcaster. Plus he was a mental disaster after killing his dad. Rey's best trait as a jedi is she's determined and doesn't whine and bitch and complain about things, unlike Anakin, Luke and Kylo Ren, who all let their whiney emo tendencies get in the way of their true strength.What do you mean she doesn't whine and bitch?

How long did it take her to pick up that damn lightsaber again? How long did she go on about needing to 'go home' - getting all touchy at anyone who suggested it was a waste of time. Very similar to the reluctant Luke in Episode IV.

[Dresta]

Right-wingers and their fear of V@ginas. :oldlol:

Rey wasn't the best at everything, and she already had a decent skillset when the movie begins. Fighting, scavenging, fixing things, taking things apart, negotiating with big jerks--the film makes it very clear these skills were extremely important for her basic survival.

She lived the life of a scavenger--learning to fight and being crafty is part of of the lifestyle. These weren't traits she magically learned on the spot. :no:

People bitch about her ability to use the Jedi Mind Trick, but I find it interesting that she only learned to use it after Kylo tried to read her mind. Never before.

Rey could barely fly the Millennium Falcon and she almost gets everyone killed releasing the monsters in Han's cargo ship. She even gets captured at one point. She's no more a Mary Sue than Luke, Little Anakin, and a whole host of White male protagonists who came before her. You're only seeing what you want to see.
Yes, that's right, anyone who thought the film was shit has a 'fear of ******s' - i find that amusing coming from someone childish enough to make such an idiotic statement; it is the sort of standard response made by virgins who are afraid to talk to women, and so think sex is the most important and coolest thing in the world (it's not btw: almost anyone who has indulged themselves sexually will tell you it's like trying to empty the Ocean with a teaspoon).

I don't give a **** about Star Wars dude: i'm just telling you what was there, right in front of my eyes, clear as day, and which was seen also by a bunch of other people who are even bigger women than you (you know: actual women, rather than men who act like women). The guy i share an apartment with just watched it yesterday, and he couldn't stop laughing at how ridiculous it all was; he also predicted the entire plot after about 40 minutes (including it ending with Rey meeting Luke at Jedi temple, rescuing girl from death star, Han getting killed by son, blowing up death star, and so on - so banal and predictable it was). You're really projecting if you think i'm seeing what i want, and not vice versa. You're the type of person who would like and drum on about a film simply because the people you personally despise also happen to not like it: that's how pathetic you are, and it's really damn sad.

That's why, in a thread about Star Wars, you can't help yourself from railing (several times now) at 'Right-Wingers' and 'Conservatives,' when we are discussing the merits of a friggin film; and as if many serious conservatives would even have time for modern trash like Star Wars, full stop :rolleyes:. Pretty much any thinking conservative considers the influence of television and modern mass entertainment to be nefarious because it destroys the imagination of children by preventing them from the need to create their own worlds and their own means of amusement. Instead, we are primed from a young age to need incessant stimulation of one sort or another, resulting in rapid rises in things like ADHD, shortened attention spans, and an inability to keep oneself entertained (and a clear decline in very important things that help us better understand the world we live in, like the reading of good fiction, history, and such).

Stop with the childish partisan drivel already - you morons can't even keep that shit out of a discussion of a Star Wars film.