Obama is trying to bypass congress to take away guns from American citizens

[Raymone]

With an executive order (http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/04/obama-set-to-implement-gun-control-by-executive-order-this-week/)

[FillJackson]

With an executive order (http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/04/obama-set-to-implement-gun-control-by-executive-order-this-week/)
Where's the part where is says he is going "to take away guns from American citizens?" It seems to be a regulation for gun dealers.

[Nick Young]

He's gone mad with power.

[DonDadda59]

Where's the part where is says he is going "to take away guns from American citizens?" It seems to be a regulation for gun dealers.

It's also a measure that 92% (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/9-in-10-back-universal-gun-background-checks/) of Americans support.

But of course now that Obama is bypassing the most useless legislative body in History, it's a bad thing.

[ISHGoat]

Good stuff Barry. Only idiots can be against this.

[Stout]

It's also a measure that 92% (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/9-in-10-back-universal-gun-background-checks/) of Americans support.

But of course now that Obama is bypassing the most useless legislative body in History, it's a bad thing.
:applause:

[Raymone]

Where's the part where is says he is going "to take away guns from American citizens?" It seems to be a regulation for gun dealers.

By making it harder for private parties to sell guns legally, it's another step in the direction of making it harder for American citizens to purchase guns legally.

And Obama will undoubtedly not stop here, especially if he doesn't need approval from congress.

[ISHGoat]

By making it harder for private parties to sell guns legally, it's another step in the direction of making it harder for American citizens to purchase guns legally.

And Obama will undoubtedly not stop here, especially if he doesn't need approval from congress.

Thats another step in the right direction

Its the 21st ****ing century. You dont need your dam 9mm handguns to protect yourself against a tyrannical government. Those laws were made for the 18th century. Wtf are you going to do against drone strikes and other high tech shit you havent even heard of? "Oh boy I'm sure glad I have my shotgun so the evil government cant take my stuff!"

[Raymone]

Thats another step in the right direction

Its the 21st ****ing century. You dont need your dam 9mm handguns to protect yourself against a tyrannical government. Those laws were made for the 18th century. Wtf are you going to do against drone strikes and other high tech shit you havent even heard of? "Oh boy I'm sure glad I have my shotgun so the evil government cant take my stuff!"

It's a bill of rights. Not needs.

And I think you'd find that most gun owners don't own them with the expressed intent of taking on the government. There's home protection, self protection, hunting, sport, or none of your goddamn business.

[9erempiree]

Thats another step in the right direction

Its the 21st ****ing century. You dont need your dam 9mm handguns to protect yourself against a tyrannical government. Those laws were made for the 18th century. Wtf are you going to do against drone strikes and other high tech shit you havent even heard of? "Oh boy I'm sure glad I have my shotgun so the evil government cant take my stuff!"

:facepalm

What are you going to do?...while someone is raping your wife and daughter.

Fap?

[ISHGoat]

:facepalm

What are you going to do?...while someone is raping your wife and daughter.

Fap?

So USA should have the least instances per capita of rape and other sexual violence among comparably developed country right?

Just like they have the least instances of gun violence among comparable countries, right?

And good luck shooting only the rapist and not your spouse when hes already on them.

[Trollsmasher]

do US citizens have a right to resistance?

[9erempiree]

So USA should have the least instances per capita of rape and other sexual violence among comparably developed country right?

Just like they have the least instances of gun violence among comparable countries, right?

And good luck shooting only the rapist and not your spouse when hes already on them.

Cuck detected.

[dude77]

Thats another step in the right direction

Its the 21st ****ing century. You dont need your dam 9mm handguns to protect yourself against a tyrannical government. Those laws were made for the 18th century. Wtf are you going to do against drone strikes and other high tech shit you havent even heard of? "Oh boy I'm sure glad I have my shotgun so the evil government cant take my stuff!"

how ****ing stupid are you ? .. someone bitch slap this retard

[ISHGoat]

how ****ing stupid are you ? .. someone bitch slap this retard

I see all the resident ISH right wing extremists are all extremely rustled. Cmon boys, you can do better than this. Atleast pretend to respond with a logical retort.

And Im a Trump supporter too lol.

The only rationale reason for owning a gun in this day and age in America is because "guns are ****ing cool". You are literally delusional if you think that guns can have a statistically positive effect on reducing violence.

[Raymone]

I see all the resident ISH right wing extremists are all extremely rustled. Cmon boys, you can do better than this. Atleast pretend to respond with a logical retort.

And Im a Trump supporter too lol.

The only rationale reason for owning a gun in this day and age in America is because "guns are ****ing cool". You are literally delusional if you think that guns can have a statistically positive effect on reducing violence.

Home protection, self protection, hunting, sport shooting.

[Derka]

0/10, but people are going to bite because you gomers love yelling at each other meaninglessly.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Not even close to true. The only similarity between what you have typed and the truth is that guns are involved in both instances.

[Hawker]

So USA should have the least instances per capita of rape and other sexual violence among comparably developed country right?

Just like they have the least instances of gun violence among comparable countries, right?

And good luck shooting only the rapist and not your spouse when hes already on them.

There are no comparative countries to the USA.

[Akrazotile]

It's also a measure that 92% (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/9-in-10-back-universal-gun-background-checks/) of Americans support.

But of course now that Obama is bypassing the most useless legislative body in History, it's a bad thing.


Yep.

Guns should not be easy for ANYONE to attain just because they want one. It's not different from diving a car. You have to prove youre fit, know what you're doing, and register as a user.

I don't blame the Prez for taking this measure. Basically everyone wants it. Just do it and don't waste time.

[Akrazotile]

There are no comparative countries to the USA.


Bingo.

This is such a fundamental point, which so few ideologue fops fail to understand. Not the guy you were responding to necessarily, just in general.

[Akrazotile]

Home protection, self protection, hunting, sport shooting.


This.

While I'm okay with this measure, I still am pro gun ownership.

Most people here probably live in apartments or neighborhoods with lots of houses close together. It's much easier to feel safe in those settings. And they take that for granted.

Out on the prairies, where a lot of Americans DO still live, houses are spaced way apart. If your family is all tucked in one night and you hear a window break, there are no neighbors who also heard that window break and can help you. If you call the police, there's no telling how long it takes them to arrive.

And if yall think home invasions are just some movie shit these days? :facepalm

You can bet your ****ing ass your family will feel safer when you go to bed at night if there's a shotgun by the bed.

[TripleA]

The proposed executive order would reportedly require anyone who sells more than 50 guns a year to obtain a federal license and conduct background checks on potential buyers. Obama’s aides came up with the idea after Congress rejected legislation to similarly expand background checks to private sellers in 2013.



How is this bad? Its not stopping people from getting guns. It just requires background checks and a license. You need a license to sell liquor why not need a license to sell guns.

[oh the horror]

Home protection, self protection, hunting, sport shooting.



Posing with it while naked in front of a mirror. Right ?

[Akrazotile]

Posing with it while naked in front of a mirror. Right ?


http://i47.tinypic.com/20kq91l.jpg


Problem?

[Terahite]

:facepalm

What are you going to do?...while someone is raping your wife and daughter.

ISHGoat is used to that actually, cuckold that he is.

Anyone defending illegally overturning the 2nd amendment should be put on a rail and raped to death.

[Terahite]

And good luck shooting only the rapist and not your spouse when hes already on them.


Cuck detected.

:roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Thats another step in the right direction

Its the 21st ****ing century. You dont need your dam 9mm handguns to protect yourself against a tyrannical government. Those laws were made for the 18th century. Wtf are you going to do against drone strikes and other high tech shit you havent even heard of? "Oh boy I'm sure glad I have my shotgun so the evil government cant take my stuff!"


There are millions upon millions of lawful gun owners. Those numbers can certainly topple a government.

[bluechox2]

poeple still gonna find ways to kill each other

i cant see gun lovers killing people other ways to prove a point

[ThePhantomCreep]

poeple still gonna find ways to kill each other

i cant see gun lovers killing people other ways to prove a point

In some cases, sure, but gun homicides are overwhelmingly crimes of passion. Remove the ease of killing a firearm provides, and the US homicide rate would likely be comparable to that of Western Europe.

[Terahite]

In some cases, sure, but gun homicides are overwhelmingly crimes of passion. Remove the ease of killing a firearm provides, and the US homicide rate would likely be comparable to that of Western Europe.

http://s28.postimg.org/3sa688hgt/rsz_moreypct20formula_l_1.jpg

[SpecialQue]

Good. All gun owners are bitches and cowards. All of them. Especially you.

[KNOW1EDGE]

The only rationale reason for owning a gun in this day and age in America is because "guns are ****ing cool". You are literally delusional if you think that guns can have a statistically positive effect on reducing violence.

Are we supposed to take this serious?

[NumberSix]

In some cases, sure, but gun homicides are overwhelmingly crimes of passion. Remove the ease of killing a firearm provides, and the US homicide rate would likely be comparable to that of Western Europe.
No they aren't. They're overwhelmingly gang violence.

[KyrieTheFuture]

ISHGoat is used to that actually, cuckold that he is.

Anyone defending illegally overturning the 2nd amendment should be put on a rail and raped to death.
Lol "overturning the second amendment" jesus christ man.

[iamgine]

By making it harder for private parties to sell guns legally, it's another step in the direction of making it harder for American citizens to purchase guns legally.
That is a good thing.



And Obama will undoubtedly not stop here, especially if he doesn't need approval from congress.
That is just speculation on your part.

[nathanjizzle]

an executive order is basically saying "you idiots dont know whats good for you so ill just go ahead and do it for your sake of well being".

[poido123]

That is a good thing.


That is just speculation on your part.



Is it? Does Obama listen to anyone but his own agenda?


bypassing congress is the action of someone who is capable of anything?


Rose sucks btw

[Raymone]

That is a good thing.
It isn't. I'm talking about law-abiding citizens.

[UK2K]

The problem is...

Nobody is going to respect this law, especially criminals who didn't respect the laws to begin with.

Do I think its a bad idea? No, not really. But, I also know that I'm not registering my guns anywhere, and if I want to sell my guns, I will, and I don't need Uncle Sam sitting over my shoulder.

So what was accomplished? Practically nothing, because I can almost guarantee I will buy and sell guns at my leisure, without a background check, if I want to buy or sell from a private seller.

My issue is, the EO. If it was such a good idea, congress should vote on it. Laws are not meant to be made by King Obama, no matter how stupid they are.

But, as I said, practically irrelevant in the long run, cause most people who buy and sell guns for fun (like myself) aren't going to give a shit about this law.

[Dresta]

Murica might as well drop the pretence and abolish the other two branches of government by now, so dominant has the Executive branch become.

People only don't have a problem with this unless it's someone they don't like using the power for something they don't want, it seems. Don't worry: everyone will get their turn.

The abuses of FDR led to those of Nixon and others. I wouldn't be surprised, if in a time of difficulty, someone like Donald Trump (though i doubt he would do it tbh) could come in and issue an "Executive Order" to deport all muslims for the sake of "national security," and there you go.

Precedents are both dangerous and important, but some of you truly seem oblivious to this. Sometimes it isn't whether you agree with the sentiment or not.

[Rose]

The problem is...

Nobody is going to respect this law, especially criminals who didn't respect the laws to begin with.

Do I think its a bad idea? No, not really. But, I also know that I'm not registering my guns anywhere, and if I want to sell my guns, I will, and I don't need Uncle Sam sitting over my shoulder.

So what was accomplished? Practically nothing, because I can almost guarantee I will buy and sell guns at my leisure, without a background check, if I want to buy or sell from a private seller.

My issue is, the EO. If it was such a good idea, congress should vote on it. Laws are not meant to be made by King Obama, no matter how stupid they are.

But, as I said, practically irrelevant in the long run, cause most people who buy and sell guns for fun (like myself) aren't going to give a shit about this law.
AFAIK, isn't the point to stop it at gun shows which aren't private dealers? Or are they private dealers? I'm clueless on this. I thought there was a distinct difference between you or I buying/selling a gun and someone who did it at an expo?

Also Congress did vote

But the biggest setback for the White House was the defeat of a measure to expand background checks to most gun sales. The Senate defied polls showing that nine in 10 Americans support the idea, which was designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gun-control-overhaul-is-defeated-in-senate/2013/04/17/57eb028a-a77c-11e2-b029-8fb7e977ef71_story.html

[UK2K]

AFAIK, isn't the point to stop it at gun shows which aren't private dealers? Or are they private dealers? I'm clueless on this. I thought there was a distinct difference between you or I buying/selling a gun and someone who did it at an expo?

Also Congress did vote

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gun-control-overhaul-is-defeated-in-senate/2013/04/17/57eb028a-a77c-11e2-b029-8fb7e977ef71_story.html

From what I understand, everyone (including you, if we are neighbors and I sell you my gun) are, by law, required to undergo a background check.

Not that anyone will take it seriously... I will still buy and sell guns like I do now without going through that hassle, nothing has changed.

I did notice this in your post though...


But the biggest setback for the White House was the defeat of a measure to expand background checks to most gun sales. The Senate defied polls showing that nine in 10 Americans support the idea, which was designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill.

Which is super ironic, because...

http://www.cnn.com/partners/ios/pages/poll/

CNN's own poll results seem to disagree.

[iamgine]

It isn't. I'm talking about law-abiding citizens.
If they're law abiding they can still get guns so what's the problem?

[Patrick Chewing]

an executive order is basically saying "you idiots dont know whats good for you so ill just go ahead and do it for your sake of well being".


And then Obama becomes a Dictator.



That affects you too, dummy.

[UK2K]

If they're law abiding they can still get guns so what's the problem?

If you are a citizen, you can vote, so what's the problem with voter ID laws?

Gun laws only hurt the poor, because the more laws they make up, the more expensive it is to own and maintain a gun.

So the ones who get the shaft are single mothers and grandparents in downtown Chicago who really need a gun to protect themselves when they lay down to sleep at night.

But, Obama won't acknowledge Chicago when discussing guns (obviously), so it makes sense they overlooked the obvious.

[iamgine]

If you are a citizen, you can vote, so what's the problem with voter ID laws?

Gun laws only hurt the poor, because the more laws they make up, the more expensive it is to own and maintain a gun.

So the ones who get the shaft are single mothers and grandparents in downtown Chicago who really need a gun to protect themselves when they lay down to sleep at night.

But, Obama won't acknowledge Chicago when discussing guns (obviously), so it makes sense they overlooked the obvious.
That is a good thing. Although sucks for those single mom and grandma.

[Patrick Chewing]

All these recent shootings and the simple fact of it is, all these guns were purchased legally.


So when the actor (Obama) goes in front of a camera and starts crying, what is he crying about?

[UK2K]

That is a good thing. Although sucks for those single mom and grandma.

I guess in a way, since the poor seem to be the biggest instigators of crime, but I also believe everyone deserves the right to defend themselves, no matter their financial situation.

[iamgine]

I guess in a way, since the poor seem to be the biggest instigators of crime, but I also believe everyone deserves the right to defend themselves, no matter their financial situation.
They would still have that right.