So when is there going to be action on guaranteed contracts in the NBA?

[Marv_Albert]

This is beyond ridiculous now players who are just turning up to receive their paychecks not putting in any effort to get better and just jacking shots not playing any defense. The NBA sucks right now and it's only going to get worse

If you were at any other job and slacked off didn't do anything just cruised didn't try and get better you would be fired asap, this should be the same if your in the NBA, follow the NFL and have non-guaranteed contracts in the league ASAP.

If you are playing like shit and not getting any better and suck ass, you should be gone out the league and make room for somebody else who is willing to put in the effort, thousands of players out there who never make it because some bum just scraped in and stayed the same.

Please change these contracts and overpaid players asap NBA, please.

Will it ever change....?

[Gus Hemmingway]

That's why the NFL is better, if they suck, they get cut.


But NBA contracts do have incentives: Make playoffs $$$$, Make all-star team $$$$, 2nd round, 3rd round, Finals $$$$$. Win championchip $$$$$. So the motivation to play better is somewhat there.

There's incentives for very detailed stuff: shooting above certain %, reb per game, ppg, assists, etc. It's just not outlined to the public

On Jordans old Bulls contract, he would get paid 10k everytime he dunked, I don't remember the exact amount

[Marv_Albert]

That's why the NFL is better, if they suck, they get cut.


But NBA contracts do have incentives: Make playoffs $$$$, Make all-star team $$$$, 2nd round, 3rd round, Finals $$$$$. Win championchip $$$$$. So the motivation to play better is somewhat there.

There's incentives for very detailed stuff: shooting above certain %, reb per game, ppg, assists, etc. It's just not outlined to the public

On Jordans old Bulls contract, he would get paid 10k everytime he dunked, I don't remember the exact amount

I just feel now that for every young basketball player their main target is to make the NBA just so they can be a socialite be a celeb and hang out at clubs instead of actually trying to be the best basketball player?

[Levity]

I dont really follow baseball, but my friend brought this up to me recently, and said the MLB uses arbitration clauses in their contracts

MLB fanatics, is that something that strictly works in baseball, or could you see it someday being implemented into the NBA?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Football is more popular because Americans find it generally more entertaining and there are probably some people that also like there being so many more elite white American players. It has nothing to do with guaranteed money. Nothing. No matter what you do in life you will generally only excel if you outwork your peers. An NBA player is a 1-in-a-million athlete. As many guys out there that kill themselves in the gym and never make it it's ridiculous to say a guy can have a real career without trying. Talent sans work ethic makes you Kedrick Brown. Even a total bust like Bargnani was working on his shot at some point. Conversely we could talk all day about football players that failed because they didn't work hard enough. There are Jamarcus Russell stories just like there are Anthony Bennetts. The guy that stops working hard because he's rich does so nomatter what sport he plays.
I dont really follow baseball, but my friend brought this up to me recently, and said the MLB uses arbitration clauses in their contracts

MLB fanatics, is that something that strictly works in baseball, or could you see it someday being implemented into the NBA?
Not truly answering your question (I doubt there is an answer), just pointing out that if NBA had MLB contract rules James and KD would be on the verge of half-billion dollar deals. MLB's popularity is just further proof that OP is wrong.

[Sarcastic]

Never. There is nothing in the collective bargaining agreement that states contracts have to be guaranteed. In fact many contracts in the NBA are not guaranteed. The teams offer them because they WANT to offer them.

Players get cut all the time. Tony Wroten was recently released by the Sixers. Guess he should have held out for a guaranteed contract.

[bdreason]

The NBA already has non-guaranteed contracts. They call them Team Options and Player Options.

[Crown&Coke]

When GM's start putting team options in them.

Don't want your team to be stuck with a bad contract? Text your favorite GM to quit giving out shitty contracts.

[dunksby]

Nobody is forcing teams to offer their players guaranteed contracts.

[senelcoolidge]

I hate this too. So many guys that play great when it's a contract year and the season after getting paid are back to being garbage. They don't improve or just play injured all season. Also why do GM's pay guys after just having a good playoff series or a good season. It should be based off body of work. It robs the fans. The owners need to smarten up. There's little pride in today's players. It's just entertainment, a show for the crowd. Bunch of clowns they are.

[Levity]

it's easy to say "dont offer guaranteed contracts" but id imagine id be just as easy for players to say, "ok, ill sign with a team that offers me a guaranteed contract" thus perpetuating the current process

[Sarcastic]

it's easy to say "dont offer guaranteed contracts" but id imagine id be just as easy for players to say, "ok, ill sign with a team that offers me a guaranteed contract" thus perpetuating the current process

That's exactly why Amare Stoudemire signed with the Knicks. The Suns only offered about 3 years guaranteed, and the Knicks gave 5 years guaranteed. He signed with the Knick. It was smart for the Suns to offer the contract they did, and it was dumb for Walsh to give 5 years guaranteed.

[bdreason]

And I think the last CBA actually reduced the maximum length on guaranteed contracts. I could be wrong though.

[TripleA]

Well didn't it use to be worse didn't people used to get 10 years guaranteed.
I actually think it's smart it forces big money franchises to choose wisely in giving contracts. If all contracts were unguranteed than stupid franchises like the nets can get away with giving old and injured players max contracts. Their is nothing forcing owners to give guaranteed contracts. You can just make a team of draft picks and unguranteed contracts like philly and see how good it is.

[Clifton]

I don't think there's any incentive. Owners are making money. Players are making money. Players want to make more money, and because the owners are making so much money, they're content to give it to them.

In the last couple years there have been multiple scandals that have resulted in organizations alienating their players. There's no reason for the owners to collectively try to do this. The money's pouring in more than ever before.

[T_L_P]

Stop. We're in the Golden Age of basketball.

Never before have team principles and strict defense been preached like right now. Anyone complaining about today's league, which is smarter, faster and about as star-studded as ever before is really looking for it to be bad.

[T_L_P]

That's why the NFL is better, if they suck, they get cut.


But NBA contracts do have incentives: Make playoffs $$$$, Make all-star team $$$$, 2nd round, 3rd round, Finals $$$$$. Win championchip $$$$$. So the motivation to play better is somewhat there.

There's incentives for very detailed stuff: shooting above certain %, reb per game, ppg, assists, etc. It's just not outlined to the public

On Jordans old Bulls contract, he would get paid 10k everytime he dunked, I don't remember the exact amount

I love the NFL, but contract situations there are terrible. Dude's last a few years and don't even get a lot of money. Some of the best players in the league get like $50, 000 bonuses for recording a dozen sacks in a season. That's total chump change in the NBA.

[Levity]

would something like you can only guarantee 50% of a contract to be guaranteed, be viable? and the team and the player can negotiate which years of those are guaranteed. meaning, if they sign a 4 yr deal and choose the last two years to be guaranteed, they can still get waived or cut those first two years. or vice versa if they go a different route with the years

or is that more or less what we have going right now

[Sarcastic]

Since MLB was brought up, and interesting note is that it is the only 1 of the 4 major professional leagues that does NOT have a salary cap, and it is the only major professional league that has not had a labor dispute in the last 20 years. NFL, NBA, and NHL have all had major work stoppages, while MLB has gone on for 2 decades.

I guess they are fine with letting the free market play its course, and both sides are very happy. Only the sports with artificial caps have labor issues.