Norway teaching Syrian/etc refugees not to rape women

[9erempiree]

:eek:

Training adults to not rape?



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/world/europe/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-in-how-to-treat-women.html?_r=2&mtrref=undefined&module=ArrowsNav&contentCollection=Europe&action=keypress&region=FixedLeft&pgtype=article


Many refugees “come from cultures that are not gender equal and where women are the property of men,” Mr. Isdal said. “We have to help them adapt to their new culture.”


He said, “there was a link but not a very clear link” between the rape cases and the city’s immigrant community. According to the state broadcaster, NRK, which reviewed court documents, only three of 20 men found guilty in those cases were native Norwegians, the rest immigrants.

[poido123]

Norway full of beta subs.


rather than shut the gate, let's train terrorists to be friendly and kind :oldlol:

[UK2K]

[QUOTE]In Norway, recent statistics revealed that 100 per cent of violent street-rapes committed in the capital city of Oslo were committed by

[StephHamann]

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/04/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-sex-assaults.html

1000 men (wonder which religion?) harrased and raped women on new years eve in front of the Cologne Cathedral and the police did nothing, because they could be accused of racism.

:hammerhead:

[bluechox2]

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/04/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-sex-assaults.html

1000 men (wonder which religion?) harrased and raped women on new years eve in front of the Cologne Cathedral and the police did nothing, because they could be accused of racism.

:hammerhead:

so they basically imported new convicts for their prison system

[brownmamba00]

op is a homo

[LJJ]

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/04/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-sex-assaults.html

1000 men (wonder which religion?) harrased and raped women on new years eve in front of the Cologne Cathedral and the police did nothing, because they could be accused of racism.

:hammerhead:

The Dutch state news left out the part where they were all Arab Muslims.

Not that anyone didn't know this. Like you can find 1000 men of another group in a German city who would molest women in an organized mob like this?
It's just an example how the "positive discrimination" in western mainstream media has reached utterly farcical levels.

[Velocirap31]

The US taking none of them might be the best decision they ever made.

[Patrick Chewing]

Rape must be a pretty prevalent thing within Islam.


Wonder why there aren't any Women's Right's groups banging on the doors of mosques at this very moment.

[JohnnySic]

Western Europe has become a bizzaro land.

[Brunch@Five]

most of the felonies commited in Cologne were theft I think. It's gonna be scary if something similar happens next month during Carnival when there are millions of visitors getting drunk in Cologne...

[rufuspaul]

Obama would never comment on this but if he did he would say something like the same attitude toward women existed among Christians during the Crusades. :rolleyes:

[UK2K]

Rape must be a pretty prevalent thing within Islam.


Wonder why there aren't any Women's Right's groups banging on the doors of mosques at this very moment.

Because they can't attack Muslims. Special interest groups can't attack one another, because they vote for the same people.

So while feminists here protest this 'man's world', women in Europe are being raped and abused like women in the Middle East have been for centuries.

But, again, they are a special interest group, therefore they vote Democrat, and Obama loves Muslim immigrants, so they can't go against the grain and call a spade a spade. They have to pretend it doesn't exist.

[Brunch@Five]

according to some statistics, 1 in 3 women in Germany reports to have been a victim of sexual harrasment at some point in her life. It certainly is not a muslim problem...

[DonD13]

what's wrong with teaching them how the culture works?




I would equate this to potty-training a dog.


reported.

[DonD13]

Norway full of beta subs.


rather than shut the gate, let's train terrorists to be friendly and kind :oldlol:

Norway is a great place to live

you're in no position calling people "beta" lol


cute how much you care for European countries doe ❤

[LJJ]

according to some statistics, 1 in 3 women in Germany reports to have been a victim of sexual harrasment at some point in her life. It certainly is not a muslim problem...

It's without question a lot more severe and prevalent prevalent in these Muslim immigrant cultures.

No need to deny reality. Experts on both sides of the fence agree on this, that's why these trainings reported in the OP exist in the first place.

[NumberSix]

It's without question a lot more severe and prevalent prevalent in these Muslim immigrant cultures.

No need to deny reality. Experts on both sides of the fence agree on this, that's why these trainings reported in the OP exist in the first place.
Why bring in people that are such an obvious threat to your country's women that they need be given "don't rape women" classes? This makes as much sense as deciding to let all the rapists out of prison knowing that it will result in thousands of innocent women getting raped.

What in the fcuk is wrong with the West?

[ISHGoat]

Why bring in people that are such an obvious threat to your country's women that they need be given "don't rape women" classes? This makes as much sense as deciding to let all the rapists out of prison knowing that it will result in thousands of innocent women getting raped.

What in the fcuk is wrong with the West?

Liberal values of individual equality and fairness over rationale and societal good.

You'll never see a country like China or Russia pull any of this PC, feminism, handout culture. And that is why I believe those countries will have a prosperous future in the 21st century. They havent been cucked by the left yet. They arent encouraging their youth to "do what makes you happy". They are sending their kids to science and engineering classes instead of women's history classes.

[UK2K]

according to some statistics, 1 in 3 women in Germany reports to have been a victim of sexual harrasment at some point in her life. It certainly is not a muslim problem...

Well, 100% of forcible rapes in Oslo WERE committed by Muslim immigrants, so while you can try and deflect by saying 'it's not just them'...

It's a big ****ing issue. And for you to pretend it's not happening is sickening.

[tomtucker]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d32_1451940121

.
1000 migrants brawl at German train station and sexually assaults

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only a fool did not know this was bound to happen, and it will never stop now

[imdaman99]

Well, 100% of forcible rapes in Oslo WERE committed by Muslim immigrants, so while you can try and deflect by saying 'it's not just them'...

It's a big ****ing issue. And for you to pretend it's not happening is sickening.
Link to the reports about 100% of rapes in Oslo ever being committed by Muslim immigrants?

You are the same guy that blames women in the military when men can't focus and fool around with the women.

Don't act as if you give a shit about women :facepalm

[Dresta]

Why bring in people that are such an obvious threat to your country's women that they need be given "don't rape women" classes? This makes as much sense as deciding to let all the rapists out of prison knowing that it will result in thousands of innocent women getting raped.

What in the fcuk is wrong with the West?
Well, they think all men are inclined to rape and that young boys need to have 'rape-education' at school nowadays, so it's not that surprising tbh.

What are a few raped women when thinking about the greater good, and doing 'what's right'? There is a great and grand higher purpose here :bowdown: - though obvs not a religious one as that's backwards and prehistoric.

[tomtucker]

WW1 , WW2, now germany (leaders) are doing it again.......ruining europe

[NumberSix]

Link to the reports about 100% of rapes in Oslo ever being committed by Muslim immigrants?

You are the same guy that blames women in the military when men can't focus and fool around with the women.

Don't act as if you give a shit about women :facepalm
:wtf:


Dude, it's not all rapes that ever happened in the history of Oslo. He's talking about the rape stats for a single year.

[LJJ]

:wtf:


Dude, it's not all rapes that ever happened in the history of Oslo. He's talking about the rape stats for a single year.

Pretty sure the government and police don't release statistics like these anymore though, so I doubt the dude who posted that can find a trustworthy source.

It's deemed too stigmatizing for a certain group to release this data, because of how extremely overrepresented they are as the perpetrators if these types of crimes.

[Nick Young]

Norway:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Nick Young]

so they basically imported new convicts for their prison system
And their prison system is basically an expensive resort hotel funded by the taxpayers. (http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083,00.html)


Norwegians are so ****ing stupid. They're doing their best to self destruct and destroy the wealthy Scandinavian paradise they created.

[Nick Young]

according to some statistics, 1 in 3 women in Germany reports to have been a victim of sexual harrasment at some point in her life. It certainly is not a muslim problem...
yeah but their definition of sexual harassment includes things like catcalling and "uncomfortable staring". When statistics aren't high enough, feminists change the definition.

[UK2K]

Link to the reports about 100% of rapes in Oslo ever being committed by Muslim immigrants?

I said Muslim immigrants, they worded it nicely.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/all_rapes_in_oslo_by_foreigners_police/P20/


From a UNHCR summary, news of a culture clash with terrible consequences:

A report released by the (Oslo) police on Wednesday states that all assault rapes during last year were committed by men with a non-Western origin. All the reported rapes during the last 5 years are done by men with a foreign origin. Police inspector Hanne Kristin Rodhe says the perpetrators often are unemployed, have been asylum-seekers during the last five years and come from a traumatized environment. She adds that their perception of women can be one of the motives behind the rapes.

So you can read that how you want.



You are the same guy that blames women in the military when men can't focus and fool around with the women.

Don't act as if you give a shit about women :facepalm

Link? Quote? Don't know what you're talking about, and as someone who has repeatedly stated any female who can qualify for a male only MOS without having the standards lowered for her should be allowed in, I think you're full of shit, as usual.

[UK2K]

:wtf:


Dude, it's not all rapes that ever happened in the history of Oslo. He's talking about the rape stats for a single year.

Actually, I am talking about the last five years

100% of the rapes in the last 5 years have been of foreign origin.

[pastis]

And their prison system is basically an expensive resort hotel funded by the taxpayers. (http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083,00.html)


Norwegians are so ****ing stupid. They're doing their best to self destruct and destroy the wealthy Scandinavian paradise they created.

well, thats def. too much for convicted people, but i highly doubt that the american system is more advantageous.
like the norwegien system, the german system is based on the "resocialization". Even the highest conviction (homicide) just brings a max of 15 years in prison. The prisoners can make apprenticeships, an A-level and even study. Everybody knows that he will get a second chance in this society. And this is good.

[ISHGoat]

well, thats def. too much for convicted people, but i highly doubt that the american system is more advantageous.
like the norwegien system, the german system is based on the "resocialization". Even the highest conviction (homicide) just brings a max of 15 years in prison. The prisoners can make apprenticeships, an A-level and even study. Everybody knows that he will get a second chance in this society. And this is good.

What the actual ****? Their prison looks better than my dam condo.

[pastis]

What the actual ****? Their prison looks better than my dam condo.

yea, as i pointed out: thats def. too much of freedom, its more like a hotel. :lol

[Nick Young]

well, thats def. too much for convicted people, but i highly doubt that the american system is more advantageous.
like the norwegien system, the german system is based on the "resocialization". Even the highest conviction (homicide) just brings a max of 15 years in prison. The prisoners can make apprenticeships, an A-level and even study. Everybody knows that he will get a second chance in this society. And this is good.
Can you imagine Charles Manson getting only 15 years in prison and then released in to the wild again?

[pastis]

Can you imagine Charles Manson getting only 15 years in prison and then released in to the wild again?

that are very special cases for which we have the institution of the "preventive detention" (Sicherungsverwahrung). For special cases like Manson, psychiatrists will check him on a regular basis and decide if the person can be release or not. So people serial killer will of course stay longer than 15 years in prison
i was talking about "normal" homicides, not serial killer.
For exemple if a wife killed her husband and the court decided that it was a homicide and not manslaughter, the woman will get a max of 15 years and then she will (prncipally) be released, because there is no danger for the society (in general). Its not like serial killer or paedophiles

[UK2K]

well, thats def. too much for convicted people, but i highly doubt that the american system is more advantageous.
like the norwegien system, the german system is based on the "resocialization". Even the highest conviction (homicide) just brings a max of 15 years in prison. The prisoners can make apprenticeships, an A-level and even study. Everybody knows that he will get a second chance in this society. And this is good.

"Jeffrey Dahmer.... for the murder, rape, and mutilation of 17 boys... I sentence you to... 15 years. 280 days for each murder, rape, and mutilation."

- Norwegian judge.

:lol

[UK2K]

that are very special cases for which we have the institution of the "preventive detention" (Sicherungsverwahrung). For special cases like Manson, psychiatrists will check him on a regular basis and decide if the person can be release or not.
i was talking about "normal" homicides, not serial killer.
For exemple if a wife killed her husband and the court decided that it was a homicide and not manslaughter, the woman will get a max of 15 years and then she will (prncipally) be released, because there is no danger for the society (in general). Its not like serial killer or paedophiles

Would you want a convicted murderer moving in next door?

[pastis]

"Jeffrey Dahmer.... for the murder, rape, and mutilation of 17 boys... I sentence you to... 15 years. 280 days for each murder, rape, and mutilation."

- Norwegian judge.

:lol

not at all. for serial killer like dahmer, as i wrote above, we have the "preventive detention": if the judge states the "especially heavy guilt" (besondere Schwere der Schuld) you cant be release after 15 years. in fact, murderers who were convicted with "especially heavy guilt" are sentenced between 17-23 years in germany on an average

[Nick Young]

that are very special cases for which we have the institution of the "preventive detention" (Sicherungsverwahrung). For special cases like Manson, psychiatrists will check him on a regular basis and decide if the person can be release or not. So people serial killer will of course stay longer than 15 years in prison
i was talking about "normal" homicides, not serial killer.
For exemple if a wife killed her husband and the court decided that it was a homicide and not manslaughter, the woman will get a max of 15 years and then she will (prncipally) be released, because there is no danger for the society (in general). Its not like serial killer or paedophiles
I don't want murderers roaming around. Murder is ****ing murder. They ended someones life forever and all they get is 15 years and then freedom? BULLSHIT. Get your shit together, Germany.

[ISHGoat]

They should really just put a bullet in rapists/murders. Save some taxpayer money by not providing convicts of a capital crime a hotel and free meals for so many god dam years.

[pastis]

Would you want a convicted murderer moving in next door?


no. but i think that everyone needs a second chance, needs the faith to be released off prison one day.
I watched some documentary about the american system and prisons....damn, basically there were 70 years old men, who killed or robbed someone in their 20s and are still incarcerated. Or a black man who killed 2times as he was 13 and is now 43....
Of course their crimes were horrible, but again, because im more into the "rehabilitation"-system, i think those people need a second chance

[Nick Young]

What the actual ****? Their prison looks better than my dam condo.
They eat gourmet meals every day and are allowed x-box 360s too:facepalm

I used to date a girl from Norway, she told me that immigrants would come in and commit petty crimes on purpose so they could keep going to prison because it's so luxurious inside. That was 6 years ago, seems like Norway has learned nothing.

[Nick Young]

no. but i think that everyone needs a second chance, needs the faith to be released off prison one day.
I watched some documentary about the american system and prisons....damn, basically there were 70 years old men, who killed or robbed someone in their 20s and are still incarcerated. Or a black man who killed 2times as he was 13 and is now 43....
Of course their crimes were horrible, but again, because im more into the "rehabilitation"-system, i think those people need a second chance
I believe that murder victims should have a second chance to live, but guess what that shit just isn't going to happen.

[pastis]

They should really just put a bullet in rapists/murders. Save some taxpayer money by not providing convicts of a capital crime a hotel and free meals for so many god dam years.


well i watched documentary about american prisons. you could see 2-4 criminals in a small cell, or even worse, hundreds of prisoners in a big hall.
that would be against german constitution. the cells must have a specific size if there are 2 poeple in it. And people who are convicted more than 15 years have the right of an individual cell with TV etc. In fact, in Germany, every prisoner has principally the right to have an individual cell (tough its often circumvented).
THe german constitutional court convicted a prison to pay the prisoners indemnity, because the toilet in his cell was just poorly seperated from the rest of the cell


here is a picture of a "normal" individual cell in germany

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/JVA_Wuppertal-Ronsdorf_Einzelzelle.bmp.jpg



here is anoter one:

http://www.noz.de/media/2013/09/03/eine-einzelzelle-in-der-justizvollzugsanstalt-mepp_full.jpg

[Nick Young]

Those poor murderers and child rapists! They deserve the right to cozy living arrangements, gourmet meals and X-Box 360s!

[imdaman99]

I said Muslim immigrants, they worded it nicely.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/all_rapes_in_oslo_by_foreigners_police/P20/



So you can read that how you want.



Link? Quote? Don't know what you're talking about, and as someone who has repeatedly stated any female who can qualify for a male only MOS without having the standards lowered for her should be allowed in, I think you're full of shit, as usual.
Foreigners = Muslims? :roll:

What a dumbass. I am sorry but you never have any credibility. Kindly stop trying to sound like you know what you're talking about :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

Foreigners = Muslims? :roll:

What a dumbass. I am sorry but you never have any credibility. Kindly stop trying to sound like you know what you're talking about :oldlol:
In Norway, yes, considering the only people they have been letting in on asylum are from Muslim countries.


Your deflection tactics won't work so stop trying.

[UK2K]

Foreigners = Muslims? :roll:

What a dumbass. I am sorry but you never have any credibility. Kindly stop trying to sound like you know what you're talking about :oldlol:

You are in denial... hard.


A report released by the (Oslo) police on Wednesday states that all assault rapes during last year were committed by men with a non-Western origin. All the reported rapes during the last 5 years are done by men with a foreign origin. Police inspector Hanne Kristin Rodhe says the perpetrators often are unemployed, have been asylum-seekers during the last five years and come from a traumatized environment.

A non-Western, asylum-seeking, foreign male. Every single one of them. And you think they aren't Muslims?

Those groups of Japs running around Oslo raping people...:lol :lol :lol Maybe Koreans? We all know who they are, but only some of us will say it.

You're a joke, run along now. You can't even admit it when its right in front of you. :roll: Go blindly defend Muslims somewhere else, cause you've already lost this one.

[imdaman99]

You are in denial... hard.

A non-Western, asylum-seeking, foreign male. Every single one of them. And you think they aren't Muslims?

Those groups of Japs running around Oslo raping people...:lol :lol :lol Maybe Koreans? We all know who they are, but only some of us will say it.

You're a joke, run along now. You can't even admit it when its right in front of you. :roll:
So you're telling me 100% of the rapes were committed by a non-Western, asylum-seeking, foreign male. Sounds like something I would say if I was into making shit up.
LJJ was right, this is not something you can prove. I know this is not you making it up (you're obviously not that creative :roll: ), you're just a parrot that spreads what he reads on these websites.
Keep doing your thing though.

[Nick Young]

So you're telling me 100% of the rapes were committed by a non-Western, asylum-seeking, foreign male. Sounds like something I would say if I was into making shit up.
LJJ was right, this is not something you can prove. I know this is not you making it up (you're obviously not that creative :roll: ), you're just a parrot that spreads what he reads on these websites.
Keep doing your thing though.
According to the Norwegian government, yes.

[DonD13]

I don't want murderers roaming around. Murder is ****ing murder. They ended someones life forever and all they get is 15 years and then freedom? BULLSHIT. Get your shit together, Germany.

everything is together in Germany compared to the USA

USA got most people locked up percentage wise in the whole world and a higher murder rate

I don't want murderers roaming around.

BULLSHIT Get your shit together, USA

[9erempiree]

everything is together in Germany compared to the USA

USA got most people locked up percentage wise in the whole world and a higher murder rate

I don't want murderers roaming around.

BULLSHIT Get your shit together, USA

You say we have high murder rates and then say d we lock up a lot of people.

We catching these people though.

[9erempiree]

reported.

For calling rapists...dogs?

[DonD13]

You say we have high murder rates and then say d we lock up a lot of people.

We catching these people though.

it doesn't seem to work though



For calling rapists...dogs?

you were not typing about 'rapist' but about 'Muslim refeugees'

[Dresta]

Options:

1. Fight in war.

2. Rape Norwegian woman/women for 5-year stay at all-inclusive hotel.


?

[Nick Young]

The other option is to live peacefully in Norway and not rape the women there.


Seems like that's the easiest option. I wonder why more don't follow it.

[Dresta]

well i watched documentary about american prisons. you could see 2-4 criminals in a small cell, or even worse, hundreds of prisoners in a big hall.
that would be against german constitution. the cells must have a specific size if there are 2 poeple in it. And people who are convicted more than 15 years have the right of an individual cell with TV etc. In fact, in Germany, every prisoner has principally the right to have an individual cell (tough its often circumvented).
THe german constitutional court convicted a prison to pay the prisoners indemnity, because the toilet in his cell was just poorly seperated from the rest of the cell


here is a picture of a "normal" individual cell in germany

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/JVA_Wuppertal-Ronsdorf_Einzelzelle.bmp.jpg



here is anoter one:

http://www.noz.de/media/2013/09/03/eine-einzelzelle-in-der-justizvollzugsanstalt-mepp_full.jpg
:roll:

Looks nicer than my first year Uni accommodation.

[9erempiree]

you were not typing about 'rapist' but about 'Muslim refeugees'

That's your racist liberal mind.

So by me calling these people dogs....you immediately associate them with Muslims rather than the potential rapists and rapists that I am talking about here.

You're the worst kind of racist.

[Nick Young]

:roll:

Looks nicer than my first year Uni accommodation.
Forreal. There's likely an X-box in that 'jail cell' too if the prisoner applies for it. The Germans are so f*cking spoiled and have no idea how good they have it right now. Projecting their wealth and ignorantly assuming everyone has it as good as they do.

[UK2K]

So you're telling me 100% of the rapes were committed by a non-Western, asylum-seeking, foreign male. Sounds like something I would say if I was into making shit up.
LJJ was right, this is not something you can prove. I know this is not you making it up (you're obviously not that creative :roll: ), you're just a parrot that spreads what he reads on these websites.
Keep doing your thing though.

No, the Oslo police are telling you that.

If you don't like it, I suggest you go over there and start teaching 'How not to rape' classes yourself. Help them become accustomed to Western culture (aka... basic morals).

[QUOTE]The police report referred to is Voldtekt i den globale byen (Rape in the global city

[Nick Young]

No, the Oslo police are telling you that.

If you don't like it, I suggest you go over there and start teaching 'How not to rape' classes yourself. Help them become accustomed to Western culture (aka... basic morals).



Of course, maybe the Oslo police are lying as well? It's all a big lie, and Muslims aren't habitual rapists....:lol :lol

Sorry, I tried to keep a straight face.

Face it, they don't give a **** about women in their own countries, they obviously don't give a **** about women in other countries. Why you are still defending this behavior is a mystery.

They atleast respect women in their own countries enough to not tough them until they get married (except during war when they rape freely).

But for some reason, Arab Muslims are raised to believe that if a girl doesn't have hijab she wants to get f*cked. They saw Paris Hilton and other reality TV sluts and think all white European girls are sex dolls.

[Brunch@Five]

Most of the perpetrators from Cologne have most likely been in Germany for more than a couple of years. All reports indicate that none of the recent refugees played any part in the incidents. On the contrary, refugees arriving in major cities are often themselves victims of those petty thefts or thugs.
It's clearly a matter of socio-economic stratification rather than some obscure "muslim" culture. The fact is that there is a high correlation between having a migrant background and a poor economic endowment, which has nothing to do with IQ or cultural predispositions. There also is a lot of segregation.
Look at any society in history and you will find thugs and low-key criminals originating from the poorest strata of society. It has nothing to do with "culture" or "religion".

The majority of felonies committed in Cologne, and most likely the main objective of the perpetrators, was theft, not sexual harassment.

Also, it wasn't "1000 men" who where commiting theft, assault and harassment but a group of around 40 who where part of the 1000.

There is far too much misinformation being spread around this incident.

[Nick Young]

Most of the perpetrators from Cologne have most likely been in Germany for more than a couple of years. All reports indicate that none of the recent refugees played any part in the incidents. On the contrary, refugees arriving in major cities are often themselves victims of those petty thefts or thugs.
It's clearly a matter of socio-economic stratification rather than some obscure "muslim" culture. The fact is that there is a high correlation between having a migrant background and a poor economic endowment, which has nothing to do with IQ or cultural predispositions. There also is a lot of segregation.
Look at any society in history and you will find thugs and low-key criminals originating from the poorest strata of society. It has nothing to do with "culture" or "religion".

The majority of felonies committed in Cologne, and most likely the main objective of the perpetrators, was theft, not sexual harassment.

Also, it wasn't "1000 men" who where commiting theft, assault and harassment but a group of around 40 who where part of the 1000.

There is far too much misinformation being spread around this incident.
Please provide links to these reports. Thanks in advance:cheers:

[Brunch@Five]

also, concerning Oslo, after a quick google search:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/12/gil-ronens-fabricated-statistics-about-oslo-rapists-being-all-muslim/

[QUOTE]Statistics regarding assault rapists:

The Oslo Police District has given a report of rapes in Oslo in 2010. The report shows that for all types of rape, except assault rape, European perpetrators are in the majority, and they are mostly Norwegian. Assault rapes covers only five identified unique person. These have all a foreign origin. The number is however, so low that it does not provide a basis for drawing conclusions with regard to country of origin. Two of them were very young (under 18) and two had severe psychiatric diagnoses and cannot be regarded as representative of their ethnic culture. It is highlighted in the report that generalizations like

[Brunch@Five]

Please provide links to these reports. Thanks in advance:cheers:

will be worthless to you as you don't speak German I suppose. But every police official as well as politician or anyone familiar with details of the incident are saying this.

[Nick Young]

will be worthless to you as you don't speak German I suppose. But every police official as well as politician or anyone familiar with details of the incident are saying this.
Please provide links and sources that support your claims. Thanks in advance :cheers:

[StephHamann]

will be worthless to you as you don't speak German I suppose. But every police official as well as politician or anyone familiar with details of the incident are saying this.

That's a blatant lie

[Nick Young]

That's a blatant lie
So brunch@five is just making things up?:confusedshrug:

[Akrazotile]

Most of the perpetrators from Cologne have most likely been in Germany for more than a couple of years. All reports indicate that none of the recent refugees played any part in the incidents. On the contrary, refugees arriving in major cities are often themselves victims of those petty thefts or thugs.
It's clearly a matter of socio-economic stratification rather than some obscure "muslim" culture. The fact is that there is a high correlation between having a migrant background and a poor economic endowment, which has nothing to do with IQ or cultural predispositions.


So why do you think Germany is bringing so many poor immigrants in?

[Brunch@Five]

Please provide links and sources that support your claims. Thanks in advance :cheers:

http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2016-01/koeln-silvester-sexuelle-uebergriffe-raub-faq

[QUOTE]"Wir haben derzeit keine Erkenntnisse

[Nick Young]

http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2016-01/koeln-silvester-sexuelle-uebergriffe-raub-faq





http://www.ksta.de/koeln/-sexuelle-belaestigungen-sote-in-der-silvesternacht-,15187530,33047730.html






run it through google translate as you like.
Thank you for providing links and sources.

[StephHamann]

Most of the perpetrators from Cologne have most likely been in Germany for more than a couple of years. All reports indicate that none of the recent refugees played any part in the incidents.

They don't know any of the perpetrators, not a single guy is caught by the police yet.


The majority of felonies committed in Cologne, and most likely the main objective of the perpetrators, was theft, not sexual harassment.

Complete BS, it was mostly sexuall harassment.

Also, it wasn't "1000 men" who where commiting theft, assault and harassment but a group of around 40 who where part of the 1000.

1000 men covered the 40-60 main perpetrators. Just look at the videos, they are throwing fireworks at police and cover the main guys.

[Godzuki]

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/01/04/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-sex-assaults.html

1000 men (wonder which religion?) harrased and raped women on new years eve in front of the Cologne Cathedral and the police did nothing, because they could be accused of racism.

:hammerhead:


a bunch of puerta ricans probably took a vacation to germany for new years :pimp:

[StephHamann]

Your source is contradicting itself.

"We don't know anything about the attackers"

"We can clearly say they are not refugess"

:facepalm

[Nick Young]

Your source is contradicting itself.

"We don't know anything about the attackers"

"We can clearly say they are not refugess"

:facepalm
Do you think that German politicians and police are censoring this information so as not to provoke more anti-immigration sentiment, as this article suggests?

https://archive.is/BoOGf#selection-1192.0-1212.1

[pastis]

For what i have read, the muslim/ nordafrican Men raping the women, came 2-3 years ago to germany for asylum. That is What i read in "focus" and "die welt"

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

May all men be able to master their sexual urges and never traumatize women.

[Brunch@Five]

Most of the perpetrators from Cologne have most likely been in Germany for more than a couple of years. All reports indicate that none of the recent refugees played any part in the incidents.

They don't know any of the perpetrators, not a single guy is caught by the police yet.

so why assume they are refugees? Because of racist prejudices? Police is saying that it's mostly police-known petty criminals. There is not a single indication that it could be refugees apart from the skin color that some eye-witnesses have reported.


The majority of felonies committed in Cologne, and most likely the main objective of the perpetrators, was theft, not sexual harassment.

Complete BS, it was mostly sexuall harassment.

http://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2016-01/koeln-silvester-sexuelle-uebergriffe-raub-faq

"In der Silvesternacht wurden am K

[StephHamann]

I made my point, cuck@five has made his point.

More links proving my point can be found here.

http://www.faz.net

Good day

[Brunch@Five]

I made my point, cuck@five has made his point.

More links proving my point can be found here.

http://www.faz.net

Good day

all your points have been refuted :confusedshrug:

what your source at faz.net is saying:

"Immerhin wurde aber verbreitet, dass einige der mutma

[Nick Young]

[QUOTE=Brunch@Five]all your points have been refuted :confusedshrug:

what your source at faz.net is saying:

"Immerhin wurde aber verbreitet, dass einige der mutma

[Overdrive]

"Jeffrey Dahmer.... for the murder, rape, and mutilation of 17 boys... I sentence you to... 15 years. 280 days for each murder, rape, and mutilation."

- Norwegian judge.

:lol


Would you want a convicted murderer moving in next door?

We basically have the same juridical system as Germany. "Sicherheitsverwahrung" as pastis wrote allows an infinite sentence. It's the same as the US lifetime-prisonsentence.

It works as follows:

Dahmer kills 17 boys he gets 20 years, which is lifetime here, 5 years preventive custody and then re-evaluation. A guy like Dahmer of course wouldn't be let free after those 5 years, so another evaluation after 5 years. It's the same as your parolesystem for lifetimers, but just the other way round. Just check out how many parole hearings Charles Manson had over the years.

About the rooms: Don't you think it isn't better that dope pushers aren't gangraped by murderers in prison compared to your great system? Where minor criminal's lives get destroyed? Let back in society and most likely commit worse crimes. Your system is a downward spiral.


Most of the perpetrators from Cologne have most likely been in Germany for more than a couple of years. All reports indicate that none of the recent refugees played any part in the incidents. On the contrary, refugees arriving in major cities are often themselves victims of those petty thefts or thugs.
It's clearly a matter of socio-economic stratification rather than some obscure "muslim" culture. The fact is that there is a high correlation between having a migrant background and a poor economic endowment, which has nothing to do with IQ or cultural predispositions. There also is a lot of segregation.
Look at any society in history and you will find thugs and low-key criminals originating from the poorest strata of society. It has nothing to do with "culture" or "religion".

The majority of felonies committed in Cologne, and most likely the main objective of the perpetrators, was theft, not sexual harassment.

Also, it wasn't "1000 men" who where commiting theft, assault and harassment but a group of around 40 who where part of the 1000.

There is far too much misinformation being spread around this incident.

The number is still unknown and ofc the "Oberb

[Nick Young]

[QUOTE=Overdrive]We basically have the same juridical system as Germany. "Sicherheitsverwahrung" as pastis wrote allows an infinite sentence. It's the same as the US lifetime-prisonsentence.

It works as follows:

Dahmer kills 17 boys he gets 20 years, which is lifetime here, 5 years preventive custody and then re-evaluation. A guy like Dahmer of course wouldn't be let free after those 5 years, so another evaluation after 5 years. It's the same as your parolesystem for lifetimers, but just the other way round. Just check out how many parole hearings Charles Manson had over the years.

About the rooms: Don't you think it isn't better that dope pushers aren't gangraped by murderers in prison compared to your great system? Where minor criminal's lives get destroyed? Let back in society and most likely commit worse crimes. Your system is a downward spiral.



The number is still unknown and ofc the "Oberb

[Brunch@Five]

So the current batch of refugees will follow the old refugees example in a few years?

racist gonna racist I guess :sleeping

[Overdrive]

They don't want to be called out as racists, or even worse, *gasp* Islamaphobes. It's bad global PR if German police are teargassing Syrian refugees on New Years Eve, even if they're doing it to prevent sexual assault and other crime.

I wouldn't care. An asshole is an asshole no matter where it's from.

I treat everyone the same upon good behaviour, you could call that PC, but that's just the way I see things. BUT I also treat every one the same upon bad behaviour aswell.

If police is afraid to act and speak the truth it's pretty dangerous. Truth is they could very well be refugees and they should just admit that. Those assaulters could also be second generation "I steal your iphone" wannabe thugs. But that hesitant style of handling things could make things even worse.

[UK2K]

[QUOTE=Overdrive]We basically have the same juridical system as Germany. "Sicherheitsverwahrung" as pastis wrote allows an infinite sentence. It's the same as the US lifetime-prisonsentence.

It works as follows:

Dahmer kills 17 boys he gets 20 years, which is lifetime here, 5 years preventive custody and then re-evaluation. A guy like Dahmer of course wouldn't be let free after those 5 years, so another evaluation after 5 years. It's the same as your parolesystem for lifetimers, but just the other way round. Just check out how many parole hearings Charles Manson had over the years.

About the rooms: Don't you think it isn't better that dope pushers aren't gangraped by murderers in prison compared to your great system? Where minor criminal's lives get destroyed? Let back in society and most likely commit worse crimes. Your system is a downward spiral.



The number is still unknown and ofc the "Oberb

[Nick Young]

I wouldn't care. An asshole is an asshole no matter where it's from.

I treat everyone the same upon good behaviour, you could call that PC, but that's just the way I see things. BUT I also treat every one the same upon bad behaviour aswell.

If police is afraid to act and speak the truth it's pretty dangerous. Truth is they could very well be refugees and they should just admit that. Those assaulters could also be second generation "I steal your iphone" wannabe thugs. But that hesitant style of handling things could make things even worse.
Shit's happening in England too



At least 1,400 children were subjected to appalling sexual exploitation in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013, a report has found.

Children as young as 11 were raped by multiple perpetrators, abducted, trafficked to other cities in England, beaten and intimidated, it said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

Guess who was doing the abducting, trafficking, beating and raping.:confusedshrug:

Police and politicians knew about it for over a decade and refused to do anything to stop it, for fear of being called racist.

[LJJ]

It's clearly a matter of socio-economic stratification rather than some obscure "muslim" culture. The fact is that there is a high correlation between having a migrant background and a poor economic endowment, which has nothing to do with IQ or cultural predispositions. There also is a lot of segregation.
Look at any society in history and you will find thugs and low-key criminals originating from the poorest strata of society. It has nothing to do with "culture" or "religion".

Complete nonsense. These are trends we don't see in other migrant groups or poor socio-economic groups to that extent. It's actually offensive to suggest my Surinamese and Chinese immigrant brothers have the same sexual harassment and misogyny issues as for instance migrants from Morocco have.

There is nothing "obscure" about this aspect of Muslim culture. These people come from a culture which teaches that unveiled women aren't pious, modest or respectable. A culture where contact between the sexes is restricted or in many cases fully prohibited. A culture of extreme sexual repression where approaching a woman within that social group especially with sexual intentions can lead to severe, catastrophic consequences.

There is nothing difficult to understand about people coming from this culture having higher instances of perpetrating sex crimes.

And no, this is not exclusively an Islamic phenomenon nor is it universal within all Islamic cultures. Nor should you punish an individual who hasn't done anything himself for having they background they happen to have. But ignoring reality and failing to deal with real problems for fear of being branded a racist is just cowardly.

[Overdrive]

Actually, I don't give a **** what happens in prison, cause I'm not there.

And if I ever end up there, I'm going to say that the reason why is probably my fault.

I'm a fan of the three strikes law. If you don't know how to not break the law the first two times, then just rot in prison after #3.

So you would hate to live near a murderer, but what about someone who served 3 years for tax fraud and got raped every other day and has acquired severe psychological problems, because of that? He wouldn't need to tell you either, but maybe he'd lash out on you, because of some PTSD and you look like some of his molesters?

[Nick Young]

So you would hate to live near a murderer, but what about someone who served 3 years for tax fraud and got raped every other day and has acquired severe psychological problems, because of that? He wouldn't need to tell you either, but maybe he'd lash out on you, because of some PTSD and you look like some of his molesters?
lol what a bizarre question:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Overdrive]

lol what a bizarre question:roll: :roll: :roll:

Yeah, but without extreme examples it isn't understood I guess.

[Nick Young]

A policeman who was outside Cologne station during the New Year's Eve trouble told the city's Express news website that he had detained eight suspects. "They were all asylum seekers, carrying copies of their residence certificates," he said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046
intradesting...





The victims described those involved as having Arabic, North African heritage.

http://www.dw.com/en/string-of-new-years-eve-sexual-assaults-outrages-cologne/a-18958334

hmmm.....

[Nick Young]

One victim, 28 year old ‘Katja L’ spoke of her ordeal as she tried to make her way to the waiting room of Cologne railway station with two other girls and a boyfriend in the early hours of new year’s day. She told Der Express – one of the largest regional newspapers:

“When we came out of the station, we were very surprised by the group that met us there”. She said the group was “exclusively young foreign men”. Keeping close to her friends, they pressed on:

“We then walked through this group of men. There was an alley through [the men] which we walked through. Suddenly I felt a hand on my buttocks, then on my breasts, in the end, I was groped everywhere. It was a nightmare. Although we shouted and beat them, the guys did not stop. I was desperate and think I was touched around 100 times in the 200 meters.

“Fortunately I wore a jacket and trousers. a skirt would probably have been torn away from me”.





"One man described how his partner and 15-year-old daughter were surrounded by an enormous crowd outside the station and he was unable to help. "The attackers grabbed her and my partner's breasts and groped them between their legs."



A British woman visiting Cologne said fireworks had been thrown at her group by men who spoke neither German nor English. "They were trying to hug us, kiss us. One man stole my friend's bag," she told the BBC. "Another tried to get us into his 'private taxi'. I've been in scary and even life-threatening situations and I've never experienced anything like that."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046

Apart from the fireworks throwing, sounds like the exact same kind of shit I witnessed on a daily basis when I lived in Cairo.

[Nick Young]

Feminists trying to cover up and apologize for the Muslim rapists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7JmVwMNq4c

Keep on digging your grave Europe. Keep on digging.

[Jameerthefear]

Feminists trying to cover up and apologize for the Muslim rapists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7JmVwMNq4c

Keep on digging your grave Europe. Keep on digging.
damn the UK is very PC.

[Nick Young]

Mayor Reker promised an increased police presence, warnings to young women about potential dangers and "better explanation" to asylum seekers about the meaning of the annual carnivals


Why the phuck should you have to explain to grown men that it's not ok to grope and rape women on New Years Eve? Good job infantilizing ever Arab Muslim, you leftist ****"They aren't to blame, they had no idea raping and groping is wrong! It's our fault for not explaining this to them better before letting them in to our country and giving them free housing and benefits." :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Why do they want these people in their country again? This is a joke.

[NumberSix]

Why the phuck should you have to explain to grown men that it's not ok to grope and rape women on New Years Eve?:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Why do they want these people in their country again? This is a joke.
They don't.

[Nick Young]

They don't.
Then why are they being let in? GERMANY! Get this Merkel moron and the rest of her party out of power. Otherwise, you will be ****ed.

[Nick Young]

The attacks in Cologne match up with what happened to journalist Lara Logan in Tahrir Square in Egypt during the riots vs Hasni Mubarak's regime in 2011.


I wonder where they all learn this shit from?


Lara Logan Confirms She Was Brutally and Repeatedly Raped in Egypt: Why Did the Media Think She Wasn't?


In the hours and days following CBS reporter Lara Logan's brutal and repeated rape in Egypt, the world understandably wanted details. But Logan only released a brief statement with CBS News chairman Jeff Fager, revealing no more than that she had suffered a "brutal and sustained sexual assault" by Egyptian men in Tahrir Square amid the throes of anti-Mubarak celebration.

At the Weekly, we interpreted that to mean she was raped. See: "Lara Logan, CBS Reporter and Warzone 'It Girl,' Raped Repeatedly Amid Egypt Celebration."

Now, Logan is taking her initial public disclosure a step further, telling the New York Times that "for an extended period of time," numerous attackers among a mob of 200 to 300 "raped me with their hands."

It's a courageous step for a woman who went through a horrific and degrading ordeal only two-and-a-half months ago. But in this age of 24-hour news, back in February, people wanted to know more — and the Wall Street Journal and New York Post, as well as a smaller South African site called IOL News, gave them what they wanted.

Each paper quoted anonymous sources saying that Logan had not, in fact, been raped, with the key information coming from a single unnamed source described by the Journal as "a person familiar with the matter." The only other news outlet to claim a direct interview with insiders was IOL News, an obscure online paper that alleged it had spoken with her family — who said Logan had merely been poked by flagpoles. Links to that post were widely shared on comment boards and used as argument.

The information was thin, the sourcing veiled — and now, it turns out, the story was false.

From there, the media widely reported that there was no rape. Some media watchers (like Mediabug and PBS) soon started asking the Weekly to correct our use of the word "rape." Mark Follman went so far as to say he knew the truth: Logan had "apparently" not been raped.

That was highly unlikely from the outset.

Loyola Law School Los Angeles professor Laurie Levenson, an expert in the language of crime, told us at the time that the adjectives "brutal" and "sustained" implied "It was not one individual who took a shot at her; it was repeated contact, probably by several people." That's where "repeated" came in.

Though terminology differs by region in the U.S., "sexual assault" is generally used as an umbrella term for all sexual crimes, of which the most extreme case is rape. Three experts in legal language — including Lawrence Solan and Peter Tiersma, the two authors of "Speaking of Crime: The Language of Criminal Justice," as well as Levenson — agreed that CBS' description of the assault on Logan implied that the attack upon her had been of the most extreme nature.

Levenson said CBS' initial account necessitated that "[the attackers] forced contact with any of her sexual organs, or forced her to have contact with any of their sexual organs." Due to the harsh description CBS initially provided, Levenson confirmed that it was highly unlikely that some form of rape (in California, "any sexual penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the crime") had not occurred.

The "assault" tag may have been minimizing and underplaying what had happened. That's partly why Logan's gutsy decision to tell the truth is now so interesting:

Jeff Fager, the chairman of CBS News and the executive producer of "60 Minutes," said that the segment about the assault on Ms. Logan would raise awareness of the issue. "There's a code of silence about it that I think is in Lara's interest and in our interest to break," he said. ...

Before the assault, Ms. Logan said, she did not know about the levels of harassment and abuse that women in Egypt and other countries regularly experienced. "I would have paid more attention to it if I had had any sense of it," she said. "When women are harassed and subjected to this in society, they're denied an equal place in that society. Public spaces don't belong to them. Men control it. It reaffirms the oppressive role of men in the society."

So why was the media so quick to rely upon an anonymous source and drop the question of what really happened to Lara Logan? Even the Weekly ran a correction after intense public pressure, most of it from other media — and none of it from the Logan camp.

"In everyday speech," Solan said, using "sexual assault" instead of "rape" would "sound like it's minimizing things."

In U.S. law and society, he says, the terms "sexual assault" and "rape" have been co-mingled for a reason: so that more minor sexual crimes can't be written off as less terrible, or brushed off with a "boys will be boys" attitude.

"There's kind of a tension as to how much we want to separate these things," he said. "We don't want to make distinctions in the language that are so big that any [sexual crime] appears minor."

But in Logan's case, the opposite occurred. A terrible crime was reported as a more minor one, due to the ambiguity of "sexual assault."

The 39-year-old mother from South Africa, inspired by the recent plight of New York Times journalist Lynsey Addario, detained and sexually battered in Libya, and other women who told Logan similar horrific anecdotes during her recovery period, now makes the brave and necessary decision to dispel the speculation.

She'll share the exact nature of her attack with the world on "60 Minutes" this Sunday night.

Here's what we know so far:

[The crew] estimated that they were separated from her for about 25 minutes.

"My clothes were torn to pieces," Ms. Logan said. ...

"What really struck me was how merciless they were. They really enjoyed my pain and suffering. It incited them to more violence."

Turns out, women journalists are often afraid to report the additional dangers they face in the field, fearing the boss will send a man next time instead. In 2007, foreign correspondent Judith Matloff wrote the following for the Columbia Journalism Review:

Female reporters are targets in lawless places where guns are common and punishment rare. Yet the compulsion to be part of the macho club is so fierce that women often don't tell their bosses. Groping hands and lewd come-ons are stoically accepted as part of the job, especially in places where western women are viewed as promiscuous. War zones in particular seem to invite unwanted advances, and sometimes the creeps can be the drivers, guards, and even the sources that one depends on to do the job. Often they are drunk. But female journalists tend to grit their teeth and keep on working, unless it gets worse.

Women being able to talk about what really happens out there — in this case, the rape of a smart, hard-hitting war reporter also famous for her looks and guts, because that's how many female journalists make it to the top — is another step toward equality.

Props to Lara for sharing her story in full. It needs telling, and she's just the one for the job.

Update: Based on her no-holds-barred interview on "60 Minutes" last night, Logan's attack was even worse than we could have imagined.

She reported the mob ripping at her limbs, trying to tear off pieces of her scalp and raping her countless times with their hands, both in the back and the front.

Only once did Logan break into tears: When she remembered being separated from her bodyguard.

"I didn't want to let go of him," she told the world. "I thought I was going to die if I lost hold of him."

Miraculously, later Sunday night, Logan returned for some top-notch correspondence on Osama bin Laden's death by soldiers and the possible terrorist backlash.


http://www.laweekly.com/news/lara-logan-confirms-she-was-brutally-and-repeatedly-raped-in-egypt-why-did-the-media-think-she-wasnt-2392068

[Dresta]

damn the UK is very PC.
Though it is, it's not nearly as bad as in that clip, where it just looks like the whole audience and panel had been pre-selected from some diversity course at cruddy Universities.

The debate was about "free speech" yet they literally wouldn't let that guy get a word in, and everytime he spoke just tried to drown him out with outraged noises :lol

[Giaodollo]

Link to the reports about 100% of rapes in Oslo ever being committed by Muslim immigrants?

You are the same guy that blames women in the military when men can't focus and fool around with the women.

Don't act as if you give a shit about women :facepalm

Not ever, since there isn't any stats kept on ethnicity in any of the Scandinavian of perpetrators you'd have to go to the courts yourself and take out the sentences and then do the math.

In Norway or Oslo, or where ever, had all of the assault rapists from either Africa or Middle east. In Scandinavia, at least there is a major problem with assault rape from muslims in particular, based on statistical stand point only muslims in particular are heavily over representative in rape statistics. That is sadly a fact.

Now if you want to dig deeper in to the reason for that, I don't know, but it seems like a lot (relatively speaking) have a twisted view on women.

[UK2K]

So you would hate to live near a murderer, but what about someone who served 3 years for tax fraud and got raped every other day and has acquired severe psychological problems, because of that? He wouldn't need to tell you either, but maybe he'd lash out on you, because of some PTSD and you look like some of his molesters?

Have you ever been to prison? While I haven't (jail isn't prison), the vast majority of prisons are not like that, at all.

You don't get sent to Rikers Island for a first time tax fraud offense. The ones sent to the prisons you are speaking of, are repeat offenders, and violent offenders.

So yes, I'd rather live near a man who's been raped than a man who's killed someone.

[Brunch@Five]

"muslims" or "migrants" or "foreigners" are overrepresented in almost every crime statistics. It's clearly a logical fallacy to say this is so because they are foreign. They are overrepresented in crime statistics because they are among the poorest strata of society at almost every point in history in western European countries.
Why do Polish people still have a reputation for being habitual thieves? Because they once were the controversial migrants of the day, economically disadvantaged and actually did engage in more crime on average.

btw, has anyone been to Oktoberfest or knows a woman that has been there? The same sexual harassmant that occured in Cologne happens there, only the perpetrators are white men and it is somehow part of "German culture".

To argue that this kind of behaviour is somehow tied to ethnicity is clearly and unequivocally racist.

edit: I'm not saying that collective behaviour like the sexual harassment in Cologne does not have roots in some part of some culture. What I'm saying is that it is not specific to whatever is meant with "muslim culture". There is misogyny and sexual violence in EVERY society

[LJJ]

"muslims" or "migrants" or "foreigners" are overrepresented in almost every crime statistics. It's clearly a logical fallacy to say this is so because they are foreign. They are overrepresented in crime statistics because they are among the poorest strata of society at almost every point in history in western European countries.

Again. Incredibly offensive and racist to suggest that for instance East Asian and South American migrants have the same problems with rape, sexual harassment and misogyny as Arab immigrants. This is just blatantly false.



Why do Polish people still have a reputation for being habitual thieves? Because they once were the controversial migrants of the day, economically disadvantaged and actually did engage in more crime on average.

And it's fantastic if all the reasons why Polish immigrants commit more economical crimes get addressed. Whether they are strictly economical, cultural, or what have you. Maybe it's even a complicated issue with multiple facets and factors?


btw, has anyone been to Oktoberfest or knows a woman that has been there? The same sexual harassmant that occured in Cologne happens there, only the perpetrators are white men and it is somehow part of "German culture".

No, there are not organized groups of dozens of white men at Oktoberfest groping and raping women in public. This is absolutely ridiculous.


To argue that this kind of behaviour is somehow tied to ethnicity is clearly and unequivocally racist.

People are suggesting it's because of cultural reasons. Of which there are many clear and factual indicators. Nobody is arguing it has remotely anything to do with race whatsoever. Not even a little.

[Dresta]

"muslims" or "migrants" or "foreigners" are overrepresented in almost every crime statistics. It's clearly a logical fallacy to say this is so because they are foreign. They are overrepresented in crime statistics because they are among the poorest strata of society at almost every point in history in western European countries.
Why do Polish people still have a reputation for being habitual thieves? Because they once were the controversial migrants of the day, economically disadvantaged and actually did engage in more crime on average.

btw, has anyone been to Oktoberfest or knows a woman that has been there? The same sexual harassmant that occured in Cologne happens there, only the perpetrators are white men and it is somehow part of "German culture".

To argue that this kind of behaviour is somehow tied to ethnicity is clearly and unequivocally racist.
You are so full of shit it's unreal. Literally denying what is right in front of your eyes - nah, people's habits and actions couldn't have the slightest thing to do with where they've come from, nor the culture in which they were raised. Nah, that stuff is completely irrelevant - poverty as the all-encompassing explanatory factor!

God you're being a facile ignoramus right now.

Oh, and no one 'tied it to ethnicity' you thick ****. Learn to read.

As a Polish person, i would say yes, we Poles have been more prone to thievery, and particularly corruption (though this has little to do with socio-economic status) - it's just one of the unfortunate by-products of living under Communist rule (a decline in moral standards); tis why inviting people into our countries from all sorts of horrible places and then expecting them to abide by our own moral standards is idiotic to the extreme.

You're the sort of person that would probably deny this even if your own mother were raped by a mob of these people right in front of your eyes. A completely illogical masochist that ought to stop being surprised that not everyone is as pathetic and self-hating as he.

[Brunch@Five]

Again. Incredibly offensive and racist to suggest that for instance East Asian and South American migrants have the same problems with rape, sexual harassment and misogyny as Arab immigrants. This is just blatantly false.

you're ridiculous. I am not the one doing the racial profiling and saying "you, Surinamese migrant, are a rapist due to your culture". I'm saying that you are more likely to commit crimes when you are in a low socio-economic strata, "poor". You also have segregation and other urban phenomena.
You are smart enough to understand that saying "migrants on average are more likely to commit crimes" does not equate to saying that all different kind of migrants, grouped by whatever category, are equally likely to commit them.



And it's fantastic if all the reasons why Polish immigrants commit more economical crimes get addressed. Whether they are strictly economical, cultural, or what have you. Maybe it's even a complicated issue with multiple facets and factors?
Of course it's a complicated issue with multiple facets and factors and thus not reducible to race or ethnicity or religion.




No, there are not organized groups of dozens of white men at Oktoberfest groping and raping women in public. This is absolutely ridiculous.

no one in Cologne was organized at the main station to grope and rape women in public. These were police-known gangs organized to rob people.


People are suggesting it's because of cultural reasons. Of which there are many clear and factual indicators. Nobody is arguing it has remotely anything to do with race whatsoever. Not even a little.

you know what is meant by "racist". Also, all we know of the perpetrators is that they "look north-african or arab". How is it not racist to draw conclusions only from this fact?

[Brunch@Five]

You are so full of shit it's unreal. Literally denying what is right in front of your eyes - nah, people's habits and actions couldn't have the slightest thing to do with where they've come from, nor the culture in which they were raised. Nah, that stuff is completely irrelevant - poverty as the all-encompassing explanatory factor!

God you're being a facile ignoramus right now.

Oh, and no one 'tied it to ethnicity' you thick ****. Learn to read.

As a Polish person, i would say yes, we Poles have been more prone to thievery, and particularly corruption (though this has little to do with socio-economic status) - it's just one of the unfortunate by-products of living under Communist rule (a decline in moral standards); tis why inviting people into our countries from all sorts of horrible places and then expecting them to abide by our own moral standards is idiotic to the extreme.

You're the sort of person that would probably deny this even if your own mother were raped by a mob of these people right in front of your eyes. A completely illogical masochist that ought to stop being surprised that not everyone is as pathetic and self-hating as he.

well then thank god that we have overcome misogyny, sexisms, sexual violence in our white western societies and only have to defend them from evil migrants :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Dresta]

you're ridiculous. I am not the one doing the racial profiling and saying "you, Surinamese migrant, are a rapist due to your culture". I'm saying that you are more likely to commit crimes when you are in a low socio-economic strata, "poor". You also have segregation and other urban phenomena.
You are smart enough to understand that saying "migrants on average are more likely to commit crimes" does not equate to saying that all different kind of migrants, grouped by whatever category, are equally likely to commit them.



Of course it's a complicated issue with multiple facets and factors and thus not reducible to race or ethnicity or religion.





no one in Cologne was organized at the main station to grope and rape women in public. These were police-known gangs organized to rob people.



you know what is meant by "racist". Also, all we know of the perpetrators is that they "look north-african or arab". How is it not racist to draw conclusions only from this fact?
:facepalm


So many :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

You really, really, really don't know what you're talking about. I wish i could emphasise it more, but it seems you're far too block-headed to ever get the point.

And if these were 'police known gangs' (idiotic phrase btw), then why were the police unable to do anything, and why did the police chief call this "a completely new dimension of crime" - strange that this completely new dimension of crime, coincided with the influx of a completely new group of people (over a million of them), most of whom were young males and from Arab or North African countries (so the exact demographics of the perpetrators of these acts). How willingly blind do you need to be to ignore all these things while chirping 'poverty, poverty..' - how simpleminded can you be?

How is it not racist to draw the conclusion that the mass influx of migrants from those exact regions in the past year might have something to do with these attacks, classified as a 'new dimension of crime'? Well, it isn't racist in any conceivable way - it is simply a logical deduction, something you evidently don't know much about.

[Dresta]

well then thank god that we have overcome misogyny, sexisms, sexual violence in our white western societies and only have to defend them from evil migrants :bowdown: :bowdown:
wow, you really can't follow a train of thought can you. What does that have to do with anything exactly? Who said anything about our overcoming anything? Who said anything about white, or about good and evil?

That's what we call a red herring, and you're resorting to it because you've been proven wrong, but are too stupid to admit this to yourself. To me, it just looks like you're completely obsessed with race, and thus projecting your insecurities onto other people, who are actually talking about completely different things. You're pretty much just having an argument with yourself, because you completely ignore the points people make to you, and instead start prattling on about irrelevancies.

[Brunch@Five]

1) no one knows whether even one person committing a crime is/was a refugee
2) the main objective of the perpetrators was to steal and rob people, not to harass them
3) the general practice to physically/sexually harass people to distract them from the actual thievery is well established, and there are gangs in Cologne that are known to do this, only they usually do this less blatantly.
4) there is sexual harassment in basically every major event that includes drunken men and women completely regardless of race/ethnicity/religion.

if we take these 4 points as facts, it becomes simply stupid and illogical to relate any of this to an influx of refugees or foreigners.
I'm not obsessed with race. My main argument is that this whole incident has nothing to do with race and the cultural aspects attributed to specific races.
It's ludicrous to call me the simpleminded one when all you do is shout "they are muslims they hate women they commit crimes we must not let them into our countries". Just because they look north-african while sexually harassing women instead of looking wester-european.

[Dresta]

1) no one knows whether even one person committing a crime is/was a refugee
2) the main objective of the perpetrators was to steal and rob people, not to harass them
3) the general practice to physically/sexually harass people to distract them from the actual thievery is well established, and there are gangs in Cologne that are known to do this, only they usually do this less blatantly.
4) there is sexual harassment in basically every major event that includes drunken men and women completely regardless of race/ethnicity/religion.

if we take these 4 points as facts, it becomes simply stupid and illogical to relate any of this to an influx of refugees or foreigners.
I'm not obsessed with race. My main argument is that this whole incident has nothing to do with race and the cultural aspects attributed to specific races.
It's ludicrous to call me the simpleminded one when all you do is shout "they are muslims they hate women they commit crimes we must not let them into our countries". Just because they look north-african while sexually harassing women instead of looking wester-european.Please show me where i posted that, or anything like it, or kindly just **** off. I've had enough of discussing things with a person who only can only see the arguments of others through the prism of his own ideological fanaticism. None of this addresses any of what i have been saying, and most of it is nonsensical, but in your poor and deluded mind i guess it makes sense. But, anyway, i'm finished with such nonsense: people like you are a waste of time - wilfully ignorant, and effectively a new kind of religious fanatic.

[LJJ]

you're ridiculous. I am not the one doing the racial profiling and saying "you, Surinamese migrant, are a rapist due to your culture". I'm saying that you are more likely to commit crimes when you are in a low socio-economic strata, "poor". You also have segregation and other urban phenomena.
You are smart enough to understand that saying "migrants on average are more likely to commit crimes" does not equate to saying that all different kind of migrants, grouped by whatever category, are equally likely to commit them.



So why can't we talk about specific issues different groups of migrants have and analyse the reasons for this?



Of course it's a complicated issue with multiple facets and factors and thus not reducible to race or ethnicity or religion.

We definitely need to take heed of the cultural and religious reasons for some of these problems. Religion is an extremely important factor within most of these people's lives and largely the basis of their culture and society, by their own account. It's completely foolish to ignore this.


No one is suggesting race, so why do you keep bringing it up?


no one in Cologne was organized at the main station to grope and rape women in public. These were police-known gangs organized to rob people.

There are eyewitnesses who have a very different story.


you know what is meant by "racist". Also, all we know of the perpetrators is that they "look north-african or arab". How is it not racist to draw conclusions only from this fact?

People who look North-African or Arab in Cologne are most likely Muslims with an immigrant background. This is just reality. People make these assumptions because it is well known and documented that these specific immigrant groups exhibit sexism and harassment problems relating to the extreme discrepancy between the perception of women in their home culture and what is considered acceptable in west European culture.

Which is first, the chicken or the egg? In this case people make these assumptions because there is a clear, factual trend.


Racism is the belief that separate races of people have inherent traits which makes them superior/inferior to one another. Talking about problems Islamic immigrants have has nothing to do with racism, I've never heard anyone, even the most irrationally xenophobic bigot, suggest that they are more misogynist because of their race rather than their culture.

[LJJ]

Btw. The mayor of Cologne suggested that in the future women keep arms length from men during these types of events to prevent further harassment.


Victim blaming.... Next up, better not wear anything else than wide fitting clothing. Better not be outside after dark as women!

[Brunch@Five]

Racism is the belief that separate races of people have inherent traits which makes them superior/inferior to one another. Talking about problems Islamic immigrants have has nothing to do with racism, I've never heard anyone, even the most irrationally xenophobic bigot, suggest that they are more misogynist because of their race rather than their culture.

yet you only know their race and make all these assumption :confusedshrug:

[LJJ]

yet you only know their race and make all these assumption :confusedshrug:

Based on factual trends within society and culture. Not based on any inherent racial makeup.

You really don't at all understand what racism is or means.


But why are you playing dumb. You know as well as me that they must have been Muslims of an immigrant background based on their descriptions. There is nothing racist about describing what happened. You keep throwing this nonsense word around because you don't have anything to refute the contents of what I said.

[Nick Young]

btw, has anyone been to Oktoberfest or knows a woman that has been there? The same sexual harassmant that occured in Cologne happens there, only the perpetrators are white men and it is somehow part of "German culture".

That's not true at all. What kind of people do you hang out with?

[Nick Young]

1) no one knows whether even one person committing a crime is/was a refugee
2) the main objective of the perpetrators was to steal and rob people, not to harass them
3) the general practice to physically/sexually harass people to distract them from the actual thievery is well established, and there are gangs in Cologne that are known to do this, only they usually do this less blatantly.
4) there is sexual harassment in basically every major event that includes drunken men and women completely regardless of race/ethnicity/religion.

if we take these 4 points as facts, it becomes simply stupid and illogical to relate any of this to an influx of refugees or foreigners.
I'm not obsessed with race. My main argument is that this whole incident has nothing to do with race and the cultural aspects attributed to specific races.
It's ludicrous to call me the simpleminded one when all you do is shout "they are muslims they hate women they commit crimes we must not let them into our countries". Just because they look north-african while sexually harassing women instead of looking wester-european.
The only racist and xenophobe right now is you. You're ignorantly projecting your western values and morals on to a group of people from a different culture who weren't raised to believe the same things you were.

[Nick Young]

Btw. The mayor of Cologne suggested that in the future women keep arms length from men during these types of events to prevent further harassment.


Victim blaming.... Next up, better not wear anything else than wide fitting clothing. Better not be outside after dark as women!
Yes, it is the womens fault for sending mixed messages and wearing sexy clothes. These poor refugees have no choice but to rape and grope them!

Meanwhile in Brussels:
https://www.facebook.com/Anonymous.Kollektiv/videos/1023406274372499/

[Overdrive]

yet you only know their race and make all these assumption :confusedshrug:

There are countries on the arabic peninsula where a rape victim has to marry the assaulter or that woman gets thrown into jail. Pretty obvious that men stemming from that country would have different views on women, don't you think? That's not about race its about legal and cultural reality.

There are regions in China were dog eating is common practice, those people might be tempted to eat dog if they come to Europe. Almost noone would consider this stance racist, why is it with the recent stream of oriental reufgees?

Because:

They are more than those people who make it here from innercountry China and they come from a war ridden country. We should pity them and any critique puts anyone in rightwing pegida territory - that way you can easily shut down reasonable critique. Bad thing is that people like pegida don't care for racism accusations, because simply they are racists more often than not.

For us lefties it's two main themes pitted against each other. Women's rights vs asylum rights. Problem is that most of these people come from countries where there are no women's rights. Women are opressed and basically dogs and walking ovaries.

Also stupid women rights activists, who lead a war against men, because of too cold air conditioners and such things don't help either.

It is highly important that people who seek shelter from war and the brutality those countries experience adapt to our moral system else it will cause problems in the short or long run. If not for them then for their children.

A high percentage of those people are law abiding and good people, but even 1% is too much to handle.

Of course poverty is a big part of the problem, because poor people will commit more crimes against property, but rape isn't really a poverty thing.



btw, has anyone been to Oktoberfest or knows a woman that has been there? The same sexual harassmant that occured in Cologne happens there, only the perpetrators are white men and it is somehow part of "German culture".



well then thank god that we have overcome misogyny, sexisms, sexual violence in our white western societies and only have to defend them from evil migrants :bowdown: :bowdown:

Big difference is that those aren't organized assaults. Oktoberfest has a reputation for rape, but it's sole assaulters, who most likely would do it anywhere aslong as intoxicated enough and having enough possible victims.

This is on awhole different level. These people obviously met up for the sole reason to harass women.

[Nick Young]

Brunch@five has clearly never been to a Muslim country. He has zero idea what its actually like over there.


I lived in Cairo and had to witness police and shopkeepers groping my friends who were 14 year old girls constantly. They would also constantly cat call them in Arabic and say the nastiest shit.

It's not like a few random gropers and then their friends would tell them to stop. Everyone did it. All the ****ing time. If a girl was white European or American and didn't wear a head scarf, everyone assumed she was fair game, and a walking sex doll.


Taxi drivers would park next to our school and would be jacking off to grungy photos in the middle of the day. Police would be nearby but didn't do shit. Sometimes you'd walk by and 3 dudes including police would be in the car, jacking off together to the same photo.


It sounds like shit you'd make up but that's just how it is over there. That was the culture. I didn't like it but that's just how it was.


This was in Diigla Maadi, one of the nicer neighborhoods of Cairo, and there were police stationed everywhere to protect all the foreigners who lived there. Didn't change shit. All of this nasty groping and cat calling and taxi cab jacking off happened every day. It was f*cked up.



Call me a racist all you want, I'm just telling you what their culture was like. Did all Muslims grope and cat call my friends who were 14 year old girls? Of course not. But enough of them did that it was a big problem.

[Brunch@Five]

Based on factual trends within society and culture. Not based on any inherent racial makeup.

You really don't at all understand what racism is or means.


But why are you playing dumb. You know as well as me that they must have been Muslims of an immigrant background based on their descriptions. There is nothing racist about describing what happened. You keep throwing this nonsense word around because you don't have anything to refute the contents of what I said.

we are well past genetic racism in the 21st century. You have a very narrow view of what constitutes as racism. The fact is: we only know the race of the perpetrators, we only know they are "north-african/arab-looking men". Any conclusion you draw from this is at least in part racist. They might all have grown up in Germany, especially Cologne, a city that has more than 10% muslims in its population. Or maybe the arrived here a couple of years ago. Who knows. They have been raised or were integrated in a certain socio-cultural milieu that is also German, and does not originate from their homecountry. Tunesia is not equal to Algeria, which is not the same as Egypt, which is not equal to Yemen and so on. The problems these young men pose to society are home-made. There certainly are problems rooted in culture, but exactly not their "native" culture. There are plenty of bigots, misogynysts, sexists, thugs that are Made in Germany. It's wrong to project blame on their supposed native/original culture.

on a sidenote: I have been to Morocco, Ghana, spent time in Marseille which has a large maghreb population and have worked together with young, socio-economically disadvantaged muslim men in Bonn, Germany. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

[Nick Young]

we are well past genetic racism in the 21st century. You have a very narrow view of what constitutes as racism. The fact is: we only know the race of the perpetrators, we only know they are "north-african/arab-looking men". Any conclusion you draw from this is at least in part racist. They might all have grown up in Germany, especially Cologne, a city that has more than 10% muslims in its population. Or maybe the arrived here a couple of years ago. Who knows. They have been raised or were integrated in a certain socio-cultural milieu that is also German, and does not originate from their homecountry. Tunesia is not equal to Algeria, which is not the same as Egypt, which is not equal to Yemen and so on. The problems these young men pose to society are home-made. There certainly are problems rooted in culture, but exactly not their "native" culture. There are plenty of bigots, misogynysts, sexists, thugs that are Made in Germany. It's wrong to project blame on their supposed native/original culture.

on a sidenote: I have been to Morocco, Ghana, spent time in Marseille which has a large maghreb population and have worked together with young, socio-economically disadvantaged muslim men in Bonn, Germany. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

You definitely don't.



A policeman who was outside Cologne station during the New Year's Eve trouble told the city's Express news website that he had detained eight suspects. "They were all asylum seekers, carrying copies of their residence certificates," he said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046

[LJJ]

we are well past genetic racism in the 21st century. You have a very narrow view of what constitutes as racism. The fact is: we only know the race of the perpetrators, we only know they are "north-african/arab-looking men". Any conclusion you draw from this is at least in part racist.

This is simply a case of you not understanding what racism is. Criticising misogyny in Islam is absolutely not racist.



They might all have grown up in Germany, especially Cologne, a city that has more than 10% muslims in its population. Or maybe the arrived here a couple of years ago. Who knows. They have been raised or were integrated in a certain socio-cultural milieu that is also German, and does not originate from their homecountry. Tunesia is not equal to Algeria, which is not the same as Egypt, which is not equal to Yemen and so on. The problems these young men pose to society are home-made. There certainly are problems rooted in culture, but exactly not their "native" culture. There are plenty of bigots, misogynysts, sexists, thugs that are Made in Germany. It's wrong to project blame on their supposed native/original culture.

They are not exactly the same, but this cultural aspect of their societies is incredibly similar. People from those places themselves consider those places "brother societies" as well. You seem very poorly informed in this, if you think the general view on women in Egypt and Algeria is incredibly different.

As someone who travelled to three out of four of these places with a woman at my side, I can tell you that this part of their culture is certainly imported. The clashing of their original culture with German culture exasperates this problem in way.

These people don't come to Germany and poof, their entire cultural identity disappeared. Even if you are three generations deep, most of them will strongly identify with their native heritage. Strongly retain much of the culture of their family. Again, something they would most certainly tell you themselves, which you are vehemently denying on their behalf.

You are the educated white savior putting words in their mouths they most definitely would never agree with.

[Nick Young]

It is racist and ignorant of Brunch@five to even imply that Islam is a race.

It is impossible to be racist against Islam.


Islam is a religious ideology followed by people of all races all over the world.


One cannot be racist against a religious ideology followed by people of every race.

[UK2K]

Brunch@five has clearly never been to a Muslim country. He has zero idea what its actually like over there.


I lived in Cairo and had to witness police and shopkeepers groping my friends who were 14 year old girls constantly. They would also constantly cat call them in Arabic and say the nastiest shit.

It's not like a few random gropers and then their friends would tell them to stop. Everyone did it. All the ****ing time. If a girl was white European or American and didn't wear a head scarf, everyone assumed she was fair game, and a walking sex doll.


Taxi drivers would park next to our school and would be jacking off to grungy photos in the middle of the day. Police would be nearby but didn't do shit. Sometimes you'd walk by and 3 dudes including police would be in the car, jacking off together to the same photo.


It sounds like shit you'd make up but that's just how it is over there. That was the culture. I didn't like it but that's just how it was.


This was in Diigla Maadi, one of the nicer neighborhoods of Cairo, and there were police stationed everywhere to protect all the foreigners who lived there. Didn't change shit. All of this nasty groping and cat calling and taxi cab jacking off happened every day. It was f*cked up.



Call me a racist all you want, I'm just telling you what their culture was like. Did all Muslims grope and cat call my friends who were 14 year old girls? Of course not. But enough of them did that it was a big problem.

Yep, definitely saw Afghans climbing into the cabs of their truck, like 8 dudes deep, to watch porn together.

They are a weird bunch.

[Brunch@Five]

Criticising misogyny in Islam is not racist, I agree, but the fact that you make that association solely based on the information that these men were north-african looking is racist :rolleyes: You know, you're talking about individual men here, relate them to average or typical traits of an aggregated group of people (in this case arabic race), and conclude a causal relationship between individual men and those average or typical traits of that race. Do you follow me?

Have you heard of Homi Bhaba? Hybridity? Read him. No one just takes their culture with them. It's always remade in the place that people currently live, influenced and shaped by what kind of experiences and dispositions people bring with them. In Germany, which has a decades-long tradition of muslim immigrants, even the recent refugee influx doesn't overwrite what is already here. The way that young men from this socio-cultural milieu (of which Islam is a major part, I agree) behave is German, not foreign.
Also trust me, I'm no cultural relativists that says "they have every right to do what they do", nor am I a white saviour. I grew up and live near Cologne, and I avoid places where these kind of people go partying. Pierre Vogel, the infamous German Salafist radical actually was my neighbour in Bonn. I was threatened to be beaten up if seen on street by an acquaintance from work for sharing the Mohamad caricature on Facebook. But those people where born and raised in Germany. I know for a fact that their supposed native and real culture is at this point irrelevant or their actual behaviour or at best an imagination. There is little point in talking about the supposed culture in Algeria, Yemen etc when we have to deal with the "muslim" (for lack of a better word) sub-culture in Germany.

You make all kinds of assumption about me :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

Criticising misogyny in Islam is not racist, I agree, but the fact that you make that association solely based on the information that these men were north-african looking is racist :rolleyes: You know, you're talking about individual men here, relate them to average or typical traits of an aggregated group of people (in this case arabic race), and conclude a causal relationship between individual men and those average or typical traits of that race. Do you follow me?


A policeman who was outside Cologne station during the New Year's Eve trouble told the city's Express news website that he had detained eight suspects. "They were all asylum seekers, carrying copies of their residence certificates," he said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046

[Dresta]

OMG this moron actually thinks human beings are born as a blank slate; not only that, but that whatever slate they had is wiped clean if they emigrate somewhere different :roll:

You are literally out of your damn mind.

[Brunch@Five]

OMG this moron actually thinks human beings are born as a blank slate; not only that, but that whatever slate they had is wiped clean if they emigrate somewhere different :roll:

You are literally out of your damn mind.

"It's always remade in the place that people currently live, influenced and shaped by what kind of experiences and dispositions people bring with them."

Are you able to read? The second part of the sentence? :biggums:

[LJJ]

Criticising misogyny in Islam is not racist, I agree, but the fact that you make that association solely based on the information that these men were north-african looking is racist :rolleyes: You know, you're talking about individual men here, relate them to average or typical traits of an aggregated group of people (in this case arabic race), and conclude a causal relationship between individual men and those average or typical traits of that race. Do you follow me?

Assuming a group of guys are part of a certain societal group, because they look like they are is not racist. How can we hold a discussion about this if you get basic definitions of words wrong?

It's not racist to say young Muslim men of immigrant background in Europe as a whole have a higher rate misogyny problems and the crimes committed in Cologne are a symptom of this trend.


Have you heard of Homi Bhaba? Hybridity? Read him. No one just takes their culture with them. It's always remade in the place that people currently live, influenced and shaped by what kind of experiences and dispositions people bring with them. In Germany, which has a decades-long tradition of muslim immigrants, even the recent refugee influx doesn't overwrite what is already here. The way that young men from this socio-cultural milieu (of which Islam is a major part, I agree) behave is German, not foreign.

This is nonsense. Their beliefs and culture are for a great deal influenced by the culture of their family. I never said that German culture doesn't also influence them. But it's nonsense to say that their upbringing, religion and heritage have absolutely nothing to do with their view on women. (Even though we can clearly see a distinct factual correlation in the real world)

You contradict what you say as well. First an immigrant culture is "remade" from their original culture. That doesn't mean it's completely separate. Then you say their culture is German and takes absolutely nothing from their original culture. This makes no sense.

Again, no Egyptian immigrant in German would say that they are culturally distinctly German and have absolutely nothing to do with Egypt anymore. (well maybe a few. I know a few. But it's a huge minority of these immigrants) No guy with Algerian parents in Marseille is ever going to say they are French above all and have a French tradition and values and Algerian culture is just a meaningless footnote in their deposition. You saying that makes it kind of hard to believe you when you say that you've been there.

[Brunch@Five]

LJJ, you have the misconception that there is one single German culture. That is simply not the case. There are plenty of (sub-)cultures in Germany, and those are all German. So yes, the culture of young men with a Turkish migrant background that have been raised and lived their whole life in Germany, that culture is a (one of several) German culture.

[Nick Young]

LJJ, you have the misconception that there is one single German culture. That is simply not the case. There are plenty of (sub-)cultures in Germany, and those are all German. So yes, the culture of young men with a Turkish migrant background that have been raised and lived their whole life in Germany, that culture is a (one of several) German culture.
What ever point you're attempting to make is irrelevant.



A policeman who was outside Cologne station during the New Year's Eve trouble told the city's Express news website that he had detained eight suspects. "They were all asylum seekers, carrying copies of their residence certificates," he said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046

[LJJ]

LJJ, you have the misconception that there is one single German culture. That is simply not the case. There are plenty of (sub-)cultures in Germany, and those are all German. So yes, the culture of young men with a Turkish migrant background that have been raised and lived their whole life in Germany, that culture is a (one of several) German culture.

Actually they have a culture that is deeply influenced by German culture, their Turkish cultural heritage and Islamic culture.

Don't explain it to me. Try explaining to a Turkish German that their culture has absolutely nothing to do with Turkey and that they aren't real Turks.

[poido123]

"It's always remade in the place that people currently live, influenced and shaped by what kind of experiences and dispositions people bring with them."

Are you able to read? The second part of the sentence? :biggums:



No dumbass.


Certain groups of people with heavily ingrained cultural and religious beliefs DON'T simply change or adapt, as evidenced by no go zones in France.


Many of them clump together and REFUSE to adapt to the occupying culture. Like they are taking their previous country with them and blocking out their surroundings.


Observation doesn't seem to be your strong suit.

[9erempiree]

The problem is not bringing their life into another country because we have Chinatown in most major cities and the Chinese can adopt just fine.

The problem is deeply rooted in their minds and culture that even giving these people their own pockets of living is a recipe for disaster since they can't abide by the laws of the land.

Typical Chinatown, UK
http://chsrentals.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Chinatown.jpg

Muslim town? You cannot have these creatures in your city.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Muslimprayersinstreet.jpg

[NumberSix]

yet you only know their race and make all these assumption :confusedshrug:
Yes.

I know other people dance around the obvious, but I won't. People from different parts of the world look different due to something called evolution. By looking at people, you can see what part of the world they originate from. In this case, you can see that they come from a part of the world where a certain culture is dominant.

It should come as absolutely no shock at all that middle eastern and North African looking men display behavior that is more threatening to women.

[Brunch@Five]

Actually they have a culture that is deeply influenced by German culture, their Turkish cultural heritage and Islamic culture.

Don't explain it to me. Try explaining to a Turkish German that their culture has absolutely nothing to do with Turkey and that they aren't real Turks.

I never said that their culture has nothing to do with the country they were born in or their ancestors came from. They might feel a strong bond to Turkey, even have an allegiance, but have you talked to a Turkish migrant what went back to Turkey or just for a visit? He is not accepted as a real Turk there. They have their on term for them: "Almancilar". So no, they are not real Turks. They have a Turkish heritage (of varying importance) but most have their own culture which originated on German territory, and when they get back to Turkey they are sometimes alienated.

Actually I think we are saying mostly the same thing. Of course they don't adhere to a German "Leitkultur", which doesn't exist in reality, only as an ideal. But they are influenced by it. As you said, their subculture is influence by German, Turkish, Islamic "ideal" cultures, but also urban culture, thug culture. If you go to the French banlieus you will see that immigrants as well has 100% French will be influenced by that specific culture (experiences they make and values they live in that segregated and disadvantaged suburban setting), regardless of their native culture.

[Nick Young]

Wow. It's just now coming out that this same exact shit happened in Frankfurt too!

German media is ****ing shit for trying to cover this up.


Brunch@five-did this happen last year in Germany, before the refugees were there?:confusedshrug:


[QUOTE]New Year sexual assults in Frankfurt, police say

Groups of men sexually assaulted women in Frankfurt on New Year, police report - as the number of complaints of sexual assault in Hamburg has risen to nearly forty.

In scenes similar to those in Cologne, several women have reported New Year sexual assaults to police in Frankfurt.

In one case that took place shortly after midnight a group of around ten men encircled three women and touched them in a massively inappropriate manner, Spiegel reports.

The women reported the cases on Tuesday afternoon.

The men were of north African appearance who spoke in broken English with strong Arabic accents, police said.

“We didn’t know of the phenomenon where groups of men severely sexual molest women until now,” said a police spokesperson.

In another incident four women were assaulted by a group of three men who groped them. One of the women had her mobile phone stolen. As yet no description of the men has been published.

In Hamburg the number of women who have reported being sexually assaulted on New Year has risen to 39, police report.

Twenty six new cases of theft or sexual assault have been reported in the port city over the past 24 hours.

Details of sexual assaults in Hamburg have been slow to emerge. It seems, though, that the attacks took place in several spots, but were mainly focused on the Reeperbahn, the city’s best known night spot.

"Countless women weeping"

Victims have described terrifying scenes in the marauding mob in Cologne.

Steffi, 31, said she saw "countless weeping women" when she arrived at the station and was hit with a volley of sexist slurs shouted in German as she made her way through the crowd.

"I saw a girl... who was crying, with ripped stockings, her skirt askew - she was just wrecked," she told the daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung.

"A young guy came out of the crowd and made vulgar comments. 'Can I help you? I know I can help you' he said with a strong accent and made obscene gestures with his hand. When she wanted to get away, he followed her. I told him to piss off."

Cologne attackers 'have little to fear from police'

The Cologne sex attackers could feel emboldened to carry out new attacks because they have little to fear from police or the justice system, police union DpolG warned on Wednesday.

“It is highly uncertain whether in the case of the Cologne attacks even one conviction will be made,” union chief Rainer Wendt told the Passauer Neue Presse.

If the offenders are not caught “they will feel absolutely emboldened to commit such acts again in the shadow of anonymity,” he cautioned.

Anger has raged across Germany over the past 36 hours as details emerged of mass sexual harrassment of women in central Cologne on New Year's Eve by a large group of men police and witnesses say were of Arab or north African appearance.

Police in Cologne have received around 90 reports so far, with more from other cities including Hamburg and Stuttgart under similar circumstances taking the total up to 118.

Wendt also said that police lacked the personnel to make effective enquiries, adding that CCTV footage didn’t always provide proof of a crime.

'Can't blame police'

The union chief also defended Cologne police from accusations from Interior Minister Thomas de Maizi

[Nick Young]

I Feel So Dirty. So Used’ — Harrowing Testimony Of Cologne Victims

Victims of the Cologne New Year’s Eve migrant sex abuse gangs have told of the harrowing attacks they were subjected to this weekend, as it emerges a total of 118 Germans have now come forward to police to report having been assaulted.

Although the story was initially ignored in the German news media, details began to emerge of the shocking attacks on Monday during a police conference called to deal with the complaints of abuse and police negligence circulating on social media, as Breitbart London revealed to the English-speaking world at the time.

Even large groups of girls travelling together were not spared by the migrants at Cologne railway station and in other German cities, as gangs of up to 40 men moved to attack at once in the early hours of new year’s day. Michelle, an 18-year-old German woman, was walking to the station at 11-PM on new year’s eve with a group of friends when they were attacked. N-TV reports her words:

“We were eleven people on the go. At eleven o’clock we were at the main station and walked to the Rhine in order there to watch the fireworks. Even then we already noticed many men.

“We were at the cathedral and from there walked to the Ludwig Museum and passed down to the Rhine. There were suddenly 20 to 30 men who surrounded us, and more and more came.”

The men then moved in and, despite their screaming out, began to molest the group of girls. Getting through their thick winter clothes, the girls told the television station about being touched on the legs, back, buttocks, and upper body. She said they protested, but the men didn’t appear to understand German. “They were all foreigners,” said Michelle.

In tears after their ordeal, the girls later realised after their escape that they had been stripped of their mobile phones, purses, cigarettes, and electronics. They were unable to find a police officer to report the incident to.

German newspaper Bild reports the testimonies of other young victims. Using pseudonyms to protect the idenities of the young women involved, the paper reports the words of 18-year-old Annika who said of her first-ever trip to Cologne: “It was scary. Mainly because a nobody helped. I feel so dirty. So used.”

“They all looked foreign. They managed to separate us in the crowd and got close to us… we tried to fight off their hands…. everywhere I looked I saw girls crying and being comforted,” she said. Annika also added that her friends’ purses had all been rifled during the ordeal; and when she found a police officer later to report the assault, he just told her to go to a police station.

Another young woman, 25-year-old Anne who was waiting tables at a night club, said she went outside for fresh air during a break in her shift and was attacked by a group of Arab men. They pulled her dress and tore her panties off before running away.

One man spoke of his experience as he was walking up the road with his 31-year-old girlfriend. Unable to protect her as they were absorbed in an “artificial stampede” of “young, dark-haired men,” his girlfriend was “attacked in the crotch.” He dragged her to a nearby nightclub to seek refuge. Two other unnamed women suffered a worse fate — both 20-years-old. While out partying together, one of them had every item of clothing torn from her body and the other was “abused with fingers.”

Breitbart London reported on Monday of the story of Katja L, the first woman to come forward to tell her story and precipitate the media attention that has finally reached the attacks, which remained buried for days after the event. She said: “When we came out of the station, we were very surprised by the group that met us there,” before confirming that the group was “exclusively young foreign men.”

“We then walked through this group of men. There was an alley through [the men] which we walked through. Suddenly I felt a hand on my buttocks, then on my breasts; in the end, I was groped everywhere. It was a nightmare. Although we shouted and beat them, the guys did not stop. I was desperate and think I was touched around 100 times in the 200 meters.

“Fortunately I wore a jacket and trousers. a skirt would probably have been torn away from me.”

Cologne police announced they had made three arrests this morning in relation to the attacks, but just an hour later withdrew their statement saying it had been in error, and in fact they only had “suspects” at this time.


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/06/ifeelsodirtysousedharrowingtestimonyofcolognevicti ms/

This is the same exact shit I witnessed all the time when I used to live in Cairo. Same. Exact. Shit.

[9erempiree]

I have a former teammate from Cologne but I have recently met a German and he thought I was the coolest dude and thought it was cool that I knew how to greet and say some German phrases.

Anyways, he asked if I was a Republican or Democrat...lol...so I asked him ....

"You guys have some immigration issues huh?"

He said...."what do you mean?"

"Well, look at the immigrants form the middle east coming into Germany.."

He said and I quote..."I think it's great that they want to come and live in Germany."

:biggums:

That is some beta shit or just not informed.

Media censorship? This was 2 weeks ago that I met him.

[Nick Young]

I have a former teammate from Cologne but I have recently met a German and he thought I was the coolest dude and thought it was cool that I knew how to greet and say some German phrases.

Anyways, he asked if I was a Republican or Democrat...lol...so I asked him ....

"You guys have some immigration issues huh?"

He said...."what do you mean?"

"Well, look at the immigrants form the middle east coming into Germany.."

He said and I quote..."I think it's great that they want to come and live in Germany."

:biggums:

That is some beta shit or just not informed.

Media censorship? This was 2 weeks ago that I met him.
Ask him how he feels about it immigrants coming in to Germany now. Post results.

[DonD13]

i'm not going to argue with you guys who aren't even form Europe about European policy but what media censorship are you talking about?

this thing is all over the news. every paper, every station

our main state-run television which is often accused to be biased towards the left bringing segments on this in prime time showing the girls crying and everything

it sounds like you making things up again

[Nick Young]

I'm not making anything up. I'm just posting articles.

Please refrain from attacking me. I am merely the messenger. Shooting down the messenger doesn't destroy the message :)


i'm not going to argue with you guys who aren't even form Europe about European policy but what media censorship are you talking about?

It took 4 days after the fact before it went all over the news.

One German media channel even officially apologized for their purposefully delayed coverage of the story.



BERLIN:
German public broadcaster ZDF has apologised for delays in reporting on a wave of sexual assaults blamed on men of Arab appearance amid accusations Wednesday of media self-censorship of the inflammatory issue.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/1022911/german-broadcaster-sorry-for-slow-reporting-on-mob-assaults/

[LJJ]

I never said that their culture has nothing to do with the country they were born in or their ancestors came from. They might feel a strong bond to Turkey, even have an allegiance, but have you talked to a Turkish migrant what went back to Turkey or just for a visit? He is not accepted as a real Turk there. They have their on term for them: "Almancilar". So no, they are not real Turks. They have a Turkish heritage (of varying importance) but most have their own culture which originated on German territory, and when they get back to Turkey they are sometimes alienated.

Actually I think we are saying mostly the same thing. Of course they don't adhere to a German "Leitkultur", which doesn't exist in reality, only as an ideal. But they are influenced by it. As you said, their subculture is influence by German, Turkish, Islamic "ideal" cultures, but also urban culture, thug culture. If you go to the French banlieus you will see that immigrants as well has 100% French will be influenced by that specific culture (experiences they make and values they live in that segregated and disadvantaged suburban setting), regardless of their native culture.

Of course I have spoken to many Turkish Dutch people. One of my best friends is Turkish and he definitely considers himself Turkish first and went back to serve in the Turkish military even though he is a third generation migrant, born and raised in the Netherlands. He grew up in a rich small town and the vast majority of his friends are "Dutch". Speaks perfect Dutch, well educated, good job, loves Holland. Still Turkish.

Most Turks I know definitely feel themselves Turkish first and go back to Turkey for at least a month every single year. The majority of them partially grew up in Turkey by spending their holidays with their family in Turkey and attending Turkish Islamic school.

I never said the culture of migrants was left 100% uninfluenced by their new country or their economic status. I never said these weren't factors.
You are the one saying it's exclusively, only those factors that count. Muslim immigrants have a much bigger misogyny problem than other groups only because of their socio-economic status and German culture, and it has absolutely nothing to do with their original culture or religious leanings. That's the part I disagree with, I think all of those things are a big factor, and their world view definitely is strongly influenced by their religion and cultural heritage.

[NumberSix]

They're bringing crime, they're rapists and some, I assume are good people.

[NumberSix]

i'm not going to argue with you guys who aren't even form Europe about European policy but what media censorship are you talking about?

this thing is all over the news. every paper, every station

our main state-run television which is often accused to be biased towards the left bringing segments on this in prime time showing the girls crying and everything

it sounds like you making things up again
There's your first problem.

[Brunch@Five]

I never said the culture of migrants was left 100% uninfluenced by their new country or their economic status. I never said these weren't factors.
You are the one saying it's exclusively, only those factors that count. Muslim immigrants have a much bigger misogyny problem than other groups only because of their socio-economic status and German culture, and it has absolutely nothing to do with their original culture or religious leanings. That's the part I disagree with, I think all of those things are a big factor, and their world view definitely is strongly influenced by their religion and cultural heritage.

I never said that and if it did come across like I said I apologize. But I explicitly said that those people take their experiences and dispositions with them to new countries where a new, hybrid identity ensues which is shaped by all cultures those people get in touch with. Obviously including those of their native country. However, the culture/identity that results is something that is specific to the place they currently live in, making it a social problem that has to be dealt with in that country, and one that cannot be solved by simply sending them to wherever they or their ancestors came from.

edit: btw, muslim people I know that come from wealthier backgrounds in their homecountry, or from richer countries like Iran, they pretty much all look down on young muslim thugs.
You can't ignore the fact that most north-african countries are a) poor in general and b) have a disproportionally large amount of young people/men who c) are pretty much all constantly looking for a job or in fear of losing it if they don't belong to a small elite.
There are plenty of reasons that are not necessarily related to the strong patriarchy in Islam in their homecountries as to why they are prone to crime, sexism and similar malevolent behavior. Just like young black people in urban Detroit are prone to crime and wife-beating not because they are black, but due to their socio-economic circumstances and a black urban culture that has sedimented itself in the past decades.

[NumberSix]

I never said that and if it did come across like I said I apologize. But I explicitly said that those people take their experiences and dispositions with them to new countries where a new, hybrid identity ensues which is shaped by all cultures those people get in touch with. Obviously including those of their native country. However, the culture/identity that results is something that is specific to the place they currently live in, making it a social problem that has to be dealt with in that country, and one that cannot be solved by simply sending them to wherever they or their ancestors came from.
And exactly why wouldn't that solve it?

[Brunch@Five]

one solution:

https://i.imgflip.com/if1i3.jpg

only to be used to determine the socio-cultural background of course :pimp:

[NumberSix]

one solution:

https://i.imgflip.com/if1i3.jpg

only to be used to determine the socio-cultural background of course :pimp:
I really wanna try to understand your reasoning here.

So, if somebody comes into a country and immediately starts committing crimes and sexual assaults, what exactly is the reason for not kicking them out?

[LJJ]

I never said that and if it did come across like I said I apologize. But I explicitly said that those people take their experiences and dispositions with them to new countries where a new, hybrid identity ensues which is shaped by all cultures those people get in touch with. Obviously including those of their native country. However, the culture/identity that results is something that is specific to the place they currently live in, making it a social problem that has to be dealt with in that country, and one that cannot be solved by simply sending them to wherever they or their ancestors came from.

I don't disagree with most of that. I definitely agree it's our failing as a society that so many of our new citizens from the Muslim world never fully adapt to our ideas in regards to freedom and equality of the sexes. It's the failing of multiculturalism and our immigration and integration policies.

I was never talking about a "solution" either, just illuminating the problem and causes. Taking away the citizenships of people born and raised here is a anti-human rights, extreme-right fringe fantasy as far as I'm concerned.


edit: btw, muslim people I know that come from wealthier backgrounds in their homecountry, or from richer countries like Iran, they pretty much all look down on young muslim thugs.

They might look down on petty criminals and boorish behaviour, but within their own communities they often still strongly reinforce and observe conservative values in regards to the female responsibility of modesty. At least their worldview is influenced by it. And from that it's only a tiny step to agree with the idea that women who aren't "modest" and obedient don't deserve the same level of respect as those who do.

Many Iranians living in the west specifically fled (had to flee) an oppressive Islamic theocracy, they are very much the exception rather than the rule. And even the Persian community suffers from these problems, albeit to a lesser extent.

[9erempiree]

i'm not going to argue with you guys who aren't even form Europe about European policy but what media censorship are you talking about?

this thing is all over the news. every paper, every station

our main state-run television which is often accused to be biased towards the left bringing segments on this in prime time showing the girls crying and everything

it sounds like you making things up again

There is nothing really to argue about anymore. It's sort of moot at this point and the entire premise of immigrants coming to a foreign country is that they cannot adopt or abide by the laws and customs of the land. This has been explained many times. Too bad it had to take a month later to see the outcome of their policy.

In hindsight, you can say we were right about these so-called immigrants. There are even people that refuse to believe so.

Guys like me, Nick Young and others visioned this scenario....too bad it took these horrendous attacks to finally wake people up...or did it?

There is no more defending these so-called refugees or immigrants. At this point they are a bunch of terrorists. What they are doing is no different than the coordinated attacks in Paris...except....rather than just shooting at innocent people and not knowing the victims....these scumbags actually looked their victims in the eye and raped them.

Wake up people...no matter what race/religion...we can admit that I was right as usual.

[Brunch@Five]

I really wanna try to understand your reasoning here.

So, if somebody comes into a country and immediately starts committing crimes and sexual assaults, what exactly is the reason for not kicking them out?

do you even read what I'm writing? Of course, if someone comes to a country, is not yet a citizen, and then commits crimes punishable by penal law, he should not become a citizen, be punished and ultimately be sent to his home country.

[NumberSix]

do you even read what I'm writing? Of course, if someone comes to a country, is not yet a citizen, and then commits crimes punishable by penal law, he should not become a citizen, be punished and ultimately be sent to his home country.
I mean, you do understand that if this had been a wave of refugees from Japan, it wouldn't be a problem? You understand that, don't you?

I mean, you do get that if it was Japanese people, they wouldn't be running around like savages sexually assaulting women and doing terrorist jihad attacks? Even if they're poor and of low "socio-economic" standing.

[kurple]

Not gonna read all this shit, but i hope everyone understood that "100% of violent rapes in Oslo the last 5 years, have been committed by non western immigrants" is obvious bullshit

Stupid, ignorant Americans trying to use Norway as an example of what they are scared of

Grow a pair

[brownmamba00]

They might look down on petty criminals and boorish behaviour, but within their own communities they often still strongly reinforce and observe conservative values in regards to the female responsibility of modesty. At least their worldview is influenced by it. And from that it's only a tiny step to agree with the idea that women who aren't "modest" and obedient don't deserve the same level of respect as those who do.

what's wrong with this? just because western society turns their women in to gold digging hoes doesn't mean other cultures(not only the muslim society)have to do the same thing.

modesty and class for women should be promoted regardless of who you are and where you live...it's something that some of these wild runnin' snortcaine women could use in their everyday life.

[UK2K]

do you even read what I'm writing? Of course, if someone comes to a country, is not yet a citizen, and then commits crimes punishable by penal law, he should not become a citizen, be punished and ultimately be sent to his home country.

Obama would disagree with you.

[UK2K]

Not gonna read all this shit, but i hope everyone understood that "100% of violent rapes in Oslo the last 5 years, have been committed by non western immigrants" is obvious bullshit

Stupid, ignorant Americans trying to use Norway as an example of what they are scared of

Grow a pair

So the police are lying now? How deep is your denial?

[LJJ]

what's wrong with this? just because western society turns their women in to gold digging hoes doesn't mean other cultures(not only the muslim society)have to do the same thing.

modesty and class for women should be promoted regardless of who you are and where you live...it's something that some of these wild runnin' snortcaine women could use in their everyday life.

We can argue all the things that are right and wrong with this, but this is besides the point. To me personal freedom trumps all. But there is plenty of room for both of this in the world as of now. This is were we go: To you yours, to me mine.

This is the great failing of multiculturalism. If you hate Dutch (insert any western European country) values and culture, don't be here. Don't move here. Don't become a citizen. Don't bring over your family.
This is where European governments have failed for many years, allowing huge societies of people who despise western values to become a fundamental part of the country.

This is where things like that happened in Cologne come from. This extreme dissonance between Islamic and Arabic values and western values. It's not a matter of right or wrong. If you put 500.000 Swedes in Konya or Riyadh and make them citizens and give them benefits and tell them to behave and be as Swedish as they like, there is going to be unrest also. It's also going to create a dichotomy which is undesirable.

[UK2K]

We can argue all the things that are right and wrong with this, but this is besides the point. To me personal freedom trumps all. But there is plenty of room for both of this in the world as of now. This is were we go: To you yours, to me mine.

This is the great failing of multiculturalism. If you hate Dutch (insert any western European country) values and culture, don't be here. Don't move here. Don't become a citizen. Don't bring over your family.
This is where European governments have failed for many years, allowing huge societies of people who despise western values to become a fundamental part of the country.

This is where things like that happened in Cologne come from. This extreme dissonance between Islamic and Arabic values and western values. It's not a matter of right or wrong. If you put 500.000 Swedes in Konya or Riyadh and make them citizens and give them benefits and tell them to behave and be as Swedish as they like, there is going to be unrest also. It's also going to create a dichotomy which is undesirable.

Democrats do the same thing. They vote polices that destroy their communities, then move away (see the mass exodus from California to Nevada, Arizona, and Texas) and then vote for the same stupid ass policies they're running from.

Its not different with immigrants who refuse to assimilate. Like, if you hate it so much, why come here? You move here, but then want your life to be just like the one you had before?

Confusing.

[Brunch@Five]

This is where things like that happened in Cologne come from. This extreme dissonance between Islamic and Arabic values and western values.


I disagree here for a reason I have mentioned before: there is massive sexual harassment by white German men in places like Oktoberfest or even Carnival as well. It's not necessarily a muslim/maghreb/arab problem, although it may be aggravated by other socio-cultural factors. So I wouldn't use that part of the incident, but rather the complete disregard of the Police that was present, which is indeed a recurring problem of migrants, and which has been described in several places in Germany. This I feel is something which must be addressed directly at this group of people.

[LJJ]

I disagree here for a reason I have mentioned before: there is massive sexual harassment by white German men in places like Oktoberfest or even Carnival as well. It's not necessarily a muslim/maghreb/arab problem, although it may be aggravated by other socio-cultural factors. So I wouldn't use that part of the incident, but rather the complete disregard of the Police that was present, which is indeed a recurring problem of migrants, and which has been described in several places in Germany. This I feel is something which must be addressed directly at this group of people.

Sexual harassment exist everywhere, we are talking about the overall prevalence and trends here.

The problem is a giant overrepresented of this group, and their general beliefs in regards to equality and freedom of the sexes. Of course you can find ethnic Germans committing sexual violence too. It's just a much smaller % of that group and that groups general views on women are much more liberal and modern.

[brownmamba00]

We can argue all the things that are right and wrong with this, but this is besides the point. To me personal freedom trumps all. But there is plenty of room for both of this in the world as of now. This is were we go: To you yours, to me mine.

This is the great failing of multiculturalism. If you hate Dutch (insert any western European country) values and culture, don't be here. Don't move here. Don't become a citizen. Don't bring over your family.
This is where European governments have failed for many years, allowing huge societies of people who despise western values to become a fundamental part of the country.

This is where things like that happened in Cologne come from. This extreme dissonance between Islamic and Arabic values and western values. It's not a matter of right or wrong. If you put 500.000 Swedes in Konya or Riyadh and make them citizens and give them benefits and tell them to behave and be as Swedish as they like, there is going to be unrest also. It's also going to create a dichotomy which is undesirable.

if you have guys like Geert Wilders runnin around in Holland making xenophobic remarks, yeah arabs and turks will distance themselves from dutch 'values' (whatever that means).

First generation turks and arabs were invited to your country by your own government and they helped you build your society with labour and hard work after you got your land pillaged in the second World War by your fellow europeans.
Now 2 generations later you want to send everybody home ''because its getting too much'' :oldlol:

It's funny to me how all these euros will say muslims don't contribute to society and the economy but will go get himself some kebab from the turk as his dinner.

also you have loads of europeans living in places like Antalya and Casablanca, actually all over the mediterranean muslim countries, who go through their lives without learning a lick of the native language or doing anything contributing to the native people.

so your hypothetical comparison with Swedes livin in Konya is not comparable because we, muslim immigrants, actually contributed to the middle class and the government with it's schools, politicians, etc which is still visible today.

I like Holland, it's a open multicultured society that works...altho it seems to get more conservative and closed as time passes by which is a shame.

[tomtucker]

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This is where things like that happened in Cologne come from. This extreme dissonance between Islamic and Arabic values and western values. It's not a matter of right or wrong. If you put 500.000 Swedes in Konya or Riyadh and make them citizens and give them benefits and tell them to behave and be as Swedish as they like, there is going to be unrest also. It's also going to create a dichotomy which is undesirable.
:applause:

[LJJ]

if you have guys like Geert Wilders runnin around in Holland making xenophobic remarks, yeah arabs and turks will distance themselves from dutch 'values' (whatever that means).

First generation turks and arabs were invited to your country by your own government and they helped you build your society with labour and hard work after you got your land pillaged in the second World War by your fellow europeans.
Now 2 generations later you want to send everybody home ''because its getting too much'' :oldlol:



I said it was a mistake to make people citizens so easily who clearly don't like our values. I never said anything about sending anybody back. :confusedshrug:

The migration of Turks and Moroccans happened looong after the country had been rebuild from the 2nd WW, your understanding of the history of this is pretty poor.

Wilders is a reaction to a real problem. He is not the problem in itself.




It's funny to me how all these euros will say muslims don't contribute to society and the economy but will go get himself some kebab from the turk as his dinner.

also you have loads of europeans living in places like Antalya and Casablanca, actually all over the mediterranean muslim countries, who go through their lives without learning a lick of the native language or doing anything contributing to the native people.

so your hypothetical comparison with Swedes livin in Konya is not comparable because we, muslim immigrants, actually contributed to the middle class and the government with it's schools, politicians, etc which is still visible today.

I like Holland, it's a open multicultured society that works...altho it seems to get more conservative and closed as time passes by which is a shame.

I mean in a comparable situation. If Swedes emigrated to Konya in a comparable situation to the Turks coming here they would contribute positive things to society. There would also be a massive integration problem. If you know Konya and you know Swedes, you know yourself that this is true.

None of these problems have been addressed. Just left to fester and grow.

Just like you said yourself "Western society turns women into whores". This is your worldview. There are many here who think exactly the same like you and harass these women and create problems.

If there were millions of foreigners in Turkey who became citizens but don't have the same values. Who saw Turkish women as whores not to be respected, and there was a huge problem with sexual harassment, sexism and rape of Turkish women stemming from this, you would find this an objectionable situation too.

[brownmamba00]

Like I said earlier, there is nothing wrong with promoting modesty and class to women. Instead we have new terms like 'slutshaming'...like you're supposed to get up and clap for slutting her self out :facepalm



It's not that immigrants don't respect your values...the thing is there are barely any values and traditions in your society which people go by compared to the culture that's at home.

also I don't know what your problem is with Konya...a lot of europeans go to mediterranean muslim countries and stay there with no problems what so ever.

same can't be said of ethiopian jews who want to live in Israel but who cares about african jews right?:rolleyes:

also quick reminder these syrians are here because the western world ****ed up (again) in the middle east by trying to overthrow Assad.

So you have no choice other than to clean up the mess YOU made and if that means fitting in a couple thousand syrians in your country that's your own self made problem.

the people of western europe shouldn't blame Muslims, they should blame their shitty indecisive oil money hungry leaders*

[LJJ]

Dutch people didn't do shit to overthrow Assad.

If you think America, Saudi Arabia and Turkey need to take in more Syrians. Fine. I agree. Doesn't have to do shit with what we were talking about though.

Anyway thank you. You clearly exhibited the reasons I think Islamic culture and western society have these issues. "Western women are whores", "You don't have any values". Yet you are here no. Lol. You are pretty typical in the way you think about these things.

[DonD13]

Guys like me, Nick Young and others visioned this scenario....

what do you think will happen?

do you think we will live under Sharia law in the near future? will i more likely to be shot by a Muslim than die in a car accident? will there be a rape pandemic?

can you be specific about that vision?

[DonD13]

Like I said earlier, there is nothing wrong with promoting modesty and class to women. Instead we have new terms like 'slutshaming'...like you're supposed to get up and clap for slutting her self out :facepalm



It's not that immigrants don't respect your values...the thing is there are barely any values and traditions in your society which people go by compared to the culture that's at home.

also I don't know what your problem is with Konya...a lot of europeans go to mediterranean muslim countries and stay there with no problems what so ever.

same can't be said of ethiopian jews who want to live in Israel but who cares about african jews right?:rolleyes:

also quick reminder these syrians are here because the western world ****ed up (again) in the middle east by trying to overthrow Assad.

So you have no choice other than to clean up the mess YOU made and if that means fitting in a couple thousand syrians in your country that's your own self made problem.

the people of western europe shouldn't blame Muslims, they should blame their shitty indecisive oil money hungry leaders*

i haven't read any of your other posts but if that's you opinion

damn son! :biggums:

FOH

[brownmamba00]

And you are pretty hypocritical in the way you think...calling Wilders a reaction to the problem is the same like saying Osama bin Laden was a reaction to the deviant shit the US did in the middle east.

get rid of your racist corrupt politicians first and foremost that's what the dutch people need to worry about.

[brownmamba00]

i haven't read any of your other posts but if that's you opinion

damn son! :biggums:

FOH
tell me cuz what are the values and traditions of the western world that can't be broken?

making some racist idiot pictures of someones religion and hiding behind freedom of speech?

[UK2K]

tell me cuz what are the values and traditions of the western world that can't be broken?

making some racist idiot pictures of someones religion and hiding behind freedom of speech?

You'd fit right in in Syria. Why don't you live there? Seems more like your kind if people, with their values and traditions of goat ****ing.

[Brunch@Five]

http://m.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article150735341/Die-meisten-waren-frisch-eingereiste-Asylbewerber.html

if what is said in this article is true I will have to retract a lot of statements I have made in this thread :(

Most important bits: police did check on almost 100 perpetrators, most of them Syrian refugees, only a minority from North Africa. Policemen also say that in most cases, sexual assault seemed to be the intent rather than robbery. Also the presence of police all over the train station supposedly prevent multiple potential rapes :eek:

If this report is validated hell is going to break lose I suppose

[DonD13]

http://m.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article150735341/Die-meisten-waren-frisch-eingereiste-Asylbewerber.html

if what is said in this article is true I will have to retract a lot of statements I have made in this thread :(

Most important bits: police did check on almost 100 perpetrators, most of them Syrian refugees, only a minority from North Africa. Policemen also say that in most cases, sexual assault seemed to be the intent rather than robbery. Also the presence of police all over the train station supposedly prevent multiple potential rapes :eek:

If this report is validated hell is going to break lose I suppose

very strange phenomena

now women in Switzerland start to report that they got harassed by refugees on new years eve too

idk man

[Dresta]

i'm not going to argue with you guys who aren't even form Europe about European policy but what media censorship are you talking about?

this thing is all over the news. every paper, every station

our main state-run television which is often accused to be biased towards the left bringing segments on this in prime time showing the girls crying and everything

it sounds like you making things up again
Tbh i wouldn't call it a 'cover-up' - but they were pretty damn slow in mentioning that this sort of thing happened all over the country on New Years. If this was a normal yearly occurrence then it wouldn't be so obvious who the perpetrators were, but considering the police are calling it a 'new dimension of crime' and it just so happens to coincide with mass influx of "refugees" from the regions where the men were from, it's pretty clear who and what caused this, and this is yet another example of European citizens suffering abuse due to the folly and unaccountability of their ruling elites.

People like Brunch, who willingly ignore all these facts, are living in some serious denial.


"It's always remade in the place that people currently live, influenced and shaped by what kind of experiences and dispositions people bring with them."

Are you able to read? The second part of the sentence? :biggums:
:lol

I can read; it's just that it's a vague, idiotic and nonsensical point, one that if understood broadly is so obvious as to be platitudinous, but which doesn't even apply in this case, because these people have been in Germany a matter of months, won't speak the language even, and will have been shaped in no conceivable way by German culture, or living in Germany.

I've lived in the Netherlands for 18 months, after living 20+ years in the UK - this has not made me Dutch, and it really hasn't altered my cultural background and sentiments, like, at all. Have you ever lived abroad before? I knew an old chap who worked a decade in Saudi Arabia, and he was an Englishman to the bone - nothing Saudi about him. The only imprint his stay had left was a bunch of funny stories about getting hold of alcohol.



Like I said earlier, there is nothing wrong with promoting modesty and class to women. Instead we have new terms like 'slutshaming'...like you're supposed to get up and clap for slutting her self out :facepalm

It's not that immigrants don't respect your values...the thing is there are barely any values and traditions in your society which people go by compared to the culture that's at home.

also I don't know what your problem is with Konya...a lot of europeans go to mediterranean muslim countries and stay there with no problems what so ever.

same can't be said of ethiopian jews who want to live in Israel but who cares about african jews right?:rolleyes:

also quick reminder these syrians are here because the western world ****ed up (again) in the middle east by trying to overthrow Assad.

So you have no choice other than to clean up the mess YOU made and if that means fitting in a couple thousand syrians in your country that's your own self made problem.

the people of western europe shouldn't blame Muslims, they should blame their shitty indecisive oil money hungry leaders*
Look, i agree mostly with this point, but that's even more reason for Europe not to allow people that have strong and engrained cultural values into their own countries. What happens when a strong force meets a weak one? The strong, masculine, Islamic culture will always dominate over the enfeebled, secular and valueless post-Christian western one - it can only accelerate the loss of surviving values that many still consider important. Freedom of speech being one that is quickly vanishing, and due to 'security concerns' (that politicians will always use to their advantage), we're losing things like due process, the presumption of innocence, and jury trial. These migrations add to the security risk, and thus give the state further warrant to obliterate freedoms that took hundreds of years to develop. I disapprove of this, even though i do not blame the migrants at all, but the foolish politicians who encouraged them.

I don't know if many muslims ever were capable of properly assimilating (though i would in no way discount the possibility), but how can one expect 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants to assimilate to such a feminised and enervated culture, one which isn't even valued by the majority of the native inhabitants? In such a cultural and moral vacuum, it is only normal for them to look backwards, having grown up in the valueless and chaotic western 'cultures,' as they are shunted into dreary slumurbias - tis the same reason i value my Polish heritage. But this is why it is so dangerous: raised in nihilistic, drug-infested and violent areas, and thus infused with certain behavioural patters already, it is easy to see why certain elements of Islam (particularly those that justify killing and violence, and tie them into heroism), are going to be very appealing to these people (and are liable to be abused by them). Again, this is why it is these generations who are so prone to radicalization, and this again provides an excuse for the state to assert its already near-limitless power.

And i don't see why Europe should have to pay the price for Obama's stupidity in Syria and Libya (along with the constant meddling of the Gulf States, and a bunch of proxy wars between Saudi Arabia and Iran); let's be real here: European culpability for Syria in particularly in considerably less than America, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and co.

[Nick Young]

what's wrong with this? just because western society turns their women in to gold digging hoes doesn't mean other cultures(not only the muslim society)have to do the same thing.

modesty and class for women should be promoted regardless of who you are and where you live...it's something that some of these wild runnin' snortcaine women could use in their everyday life.
You gonna act like Arab women in UAE and Saudi aren't gold digging hos? Arab Muslim women are the #1 gold digging hos in the world.

Not-not all Arab Muslim women are gold digging hos. But the ones who are are elite level gold diggers.

[Nick Young]

Not gonna read all this shit, but i hope everyone understood that "100% of violent rapes in Oslo the last 5 years, have been committed by non western immigrants" is obvious bullshit

Stupid, ignorant Americans trying to use Norway as an example of what they are scared of

Grow a pair
It's actually a fact.

You are defending these people who come in to your country, leech off your taxes and rape your women.

You are pathetic.

[Nick Young]

I disagree here for a reason I have mentioned before: there is massive sexual harassment by white German men in places like Oktoberfest or even Carnival as well. It's not necessarily a muslim/maghreb/arab problem, although it may be aggravated by other socio-cultural factors. So I wouldn't use that part of the incident, but rather the complete disregard of the Police that was present, which is indeed a recurring problem of migrants, and which has been described in several places in Germany. This I feel is something which must be addressed directly at this group of people.
:lebronamazed:

Frankfurt, Cologne, Hamburg, and you're still saying this shit?


Last year, before the refugees came in, was down town Munich shut down on new years eve for fear of a terror attack?


None of this shit that's happening in Germany now is normal. None of this shit was happening before the "refugees" flooded in. Sure you're able to see the correlation of how shit your country has become. Why are you still defending Merkel's idiotic policy? Why are you defending foreign men you invited to your country who raped your women in organized rape gangs?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYEFSWpWAAAGkwi.jpg

[Nick Young]

same can't be said of ethiopian jews who want to live in Israel but who cares about african jews right?:rolleyes:

You mean the Ethiopian Jews who were airlifted in to Israel by the IDF and and granted full citizenship?


Like Operation Solomon in 1991
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Solomon

The operation was kept secret by military censorship.[1] In order to accommodate as many people as possible, airplanes were stripped of their seats and up to 1,122 passengers were boarded on a single plane. Many of the immigrants came with nothing except their clothes and cooking instruments, and were met by ambulances, with 140 frail passengers receiving medical care on the tarmac. Several pregnant women gave birth on the plane, and they and their babies were rushed to the hospital.[4]

Upon arrival, the passengers cheered and rejoiced. Twenty-nine-year-old Mukat Abag said, "We didn't bring any of our clothes, we didn't bring any of our things, but we are very glad to be here."[1]

Operation Solomon airlifted almost twice as many Ethiopian Jews to Israel as Operation Moses. The operation set a world record for single-flight passenger load on May 24, 1991, when an El Al 747 carried 1,122 passengers to Israel (1,087 passengers were registered, but dozens of children hid in their mothers' robes). "Planners expected to fill the aircraft with 760 passengers. Because the passengers were so light, many more were squeezed in."[5] Five babies were born aboard the planes.[1]

Or operation Moses in 1984

The operation, named after the biblical figure Moses, was a cooperative effort between the Israel Defense Forces, the Central Intelligence Agency, the United States embassy in Khartoum, mercenaries, and Sudanese state security forces.[3] Years after the operation completed, it was revealed that Sudanese Muslims and secret police of Sudan also played a role in facilitating the mass migration of Ethiopian Jews out of Sudan.[4] Operation Moses was the brainchild of then Associate U.S. Coordinator for Refugee Affairs, Richard Krieger. After receiving accounts of the persecution of Ethiopian Jews in the refugee camps, Krieger came up with the idea of an airlift and met with Mossad and Sudanese representatives to facilitate the Operation.[5][6]

These Ethiopian Jews are still living in Israel in peace. They are full Israeli citizens.

[Nick Young]

what do you think will happen?

do you think we will live under Sharia law in the near future?

The Mayor of Cologne just told women that to stay safe they should avoid public gatherings, and stay within arms reach of men, and not walk alone. In Norway and Sweden they're telling girls to dress more modestly in school to accomodate the immigrants.

All over Europe immigrants are setting up Sharia courts. many are functioning. When people who like Sharia courts start to vote, of course they will vote in politicians and laws to help make their Sharia law the national law.


will i more likely to be shot by a Muslim than die in a car accident?
I don't think that will ever happen, considering guns are so hard to obtain in Europe.




will there be a rape pandemic?
That's already happening, in Germany, England (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089), Sweden and Norway. The title of this thread is "Norway teaching Syrian/etc refugees not to rape women"

The rape pandemic is going on right now.




You were trying to be facetious. But 2/3 of the things you mentioned are already happening.

[tomtucker]

yes
It shocked me the most was that they are aggressive people who had been named by eight witnesses could not be carried away because there was no prisoner transport on site. So they let them simply go. Then they went to the front end of a police car, said '**** the police' and spat on the window, says the eyewitness, Ivan Jurčević.
The police report describes several similar incidents where police recounts:
Witnesses were threatened when they would give names to the police
A man who said "I am from Syria! You must treat me kindly Mrs. Merkel invited me."

.
Police were unable to help people, because groups of young men would not let them get through
Persons who tore residence in pieces in front of the officers, then laughed and said, "You can not touch me, I can just get a new one tomorrow." The officers could not see whether the documents were genuine.
Worst experience in 29 years
According to the report's author, the situation on the square in front of the railway station in Cologne is best described as a chaos of an extent that the officers feared for people's lives. When it was decided to clear the square, police were bombarded with bottles and fireworks.
And when they had managed to clear the square continued crimes simply elsewhere.

.
The conclusion of the report is that the police were met with a level of disdain as "I have never experienced in my 29 years in the service" - also the author describes the whole situation in Cologne New Year's Eve as "chaotic and humiliating."

.
The number of reports after New Year riots in Cologne stands at around 100. The police have identified 16 suspects.
You can hear one of the injured women report including - she has told her story to ZDF and calling themselves Jenny and was heavily burned when the young men put fireworks under her clothes:

[Nick Young]

http://m.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article150735341/Die-meisten-waren-frisch-eingereiste-Asylbewerber.html

if what is said in this article is true I will have to retract a lot of statements I have made in this thread :(

Most important bits: police did check on almost 100 perpetrators, most of them Syrian refugees, only a minority from North Africa. Policemen also say that in most cases, sexual assault seemed to be the intent rather than robbery. Also the presence of police all over the train station supposedly prevent multiple potential rapes :eek:

If this report is validated hell is going to break lose I suppose
The world is waiting for Germany to explode again.

[shlver]

So how do you account for those who don't buy into these new values?


The mayor of Cologne, Henriette Reker, issued a condescending “code of conduct” for women to follow if they want to avoid being attacked. The code is laughably basic and would probably do nothing to prevent further assaults, but it does tell victims they need to do more to stop attracting unwanted attention.

Reker also said her staff would do more to educate the city’s foreign-born population on what’s appropriate behavior for Cologne’s upcoming Carnival festival.

“We will also have to explain our Carnival better to people from other cultures, so that there’s no confusion about the cheerful behavior in Cologne that has nothing to do with candor, especially candid sexuality,” the mayor told reporters, without any sense of shame.

Considering how much feminists complain about victim blaming and authorities dragging their feet when it comes to sexual assault, it’s ridiculous how these officials would do these same things when it comes to migrant violence.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/06/the-migrant-rape-culture-political-elites-wishes-were-fake/
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[UK2K]

yes

Europe's men are sacrificing their women.

Where are the feminists with their women's equality cries? Nowhere, that's where. Cause they are not allowed to criticize members of their own party.

Had this been 100 white men running around doing this, you bet your ass they'd be all over the news saying how men are sexist pigs...

Feminists... and leftists...:facepalm

[Nick Young]

Europe's men are sacrificing their women.

Where are the feminists with their women's equality cries? Nowhere, that's where. Cause they are not allowed to criticize members of their own party.

Had this been 100 white men running around doing this, you bet your ass they'd be all over the news saying how men are sexist pigs...

Feminists... and leftists...:facepalm

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYE4ga3VAAAvsMK.png:orig

[StephHamann]

https://media.giphy.com/media/isP4TLqhjm3zq/giphy.gif

[Nick Young]

Ralf Jaeger, interior minister for North Rhine-Westphalia:


Mr Jaeger also warned that anti-immigrant groups were trying to use the attacks to stir up hatred against refugees. "What happens on the right-wing platforms and in chat rooms is at least as awful as the acts of those assaulting the women," he said. "This is poisoning the climate of our society."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35248601

Speaking out against the rapists is as bad as actually raping. LOL.

This is the kind of sap you voted in to power Germany.

This is what PC looks like.

[Nick Young]

Two young girls (14 & 16 y.o.) raped multiple times by a group Syrians in Weil am Rhein during new year's eve (Google translated)

A group of young men allegedly raped on New Years Eve in Weil am Rhein two underage girls by SWR information. The Loerrach prosecutor has not yet ruled on. The two girls, 14 and 15 years old, have been repeatedly raped by SWR information. Four suspects sitting in remand. It should involve young men from Syria - Between 16 and 20 years of age.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.swr.de%2Flandesschau-aktuell%2Fbw%2Fsuedbaden%2Fweil-am-rhein-offenbar-gruppenvergewaltigung%2F-%2Fid%3D1552%2Fdid%3D16755784%2Fnid%3D1552%2F1enes md%2Findex.html&edit-text=






Oslo, Norway: 100% of rapes committed by 'non european immigrants' (muslims)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a56EqUPwyFQ

[Nick Young]

Brunch@Five where you at?

[QUOTE]"Most of them were freshly traveled asylum seekers"


Policemen deny details of its leadership, according to which the perpetrators of Cologne were unknown. The most controlled were Syrians. Crime Scene Investigation, it had gone mainly to "sexual entertainment".


Essential statements of the Cologne police tip to the sexual assaults in New Year's Eve are obviously untrue, as involved in the use of the Cologne police "Welt am Sonntag" reported. Officials defend themselves against allegations of Federal Interior Minister Thomas de Maizi

[tomtucker]

Europe's men are sacrificing their women.

Where are the feminists with their women's equality cries? Nowhere, that's where. Cause they are not allowed to criticize members of their own party.

Had this been 100 white men running around doing this, you bet your ass they'd be all over the news saying how men are sexist pigs...

Feminists... and leftists...:facepalm

yeah, but it

[brownmamba00]

Look, i agree mostly with this point, but that's even more reason for Europe not to allow people that have strong and engrained cultural values into their own countries. What happens when a strong force meets a weak one? The strong, masculine, Islamic culture will always dominate over the enfeebled, secular and valueless post-Christian western one - it can only accelerate the loss of surviving values that many still consider important. Freedom of speech being one that is quickly vanishing, and due to 'security concerns' (that politicians will always use to their advantage), we're losing things like due process, the presumption of innocence, and jury trial. These migrations add to the security risk, and thus give the state further warrant to obliterate freedoms that took hundreds of years to develop. I disapprove of this, even though i do not blame the migrants at all, but the foolish politicians who encouraged them.

I don't know if many muslims ever were capable of properly assimilating (though i would in no way discount the possibility), but how can one expect 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants to assimilate to such a feminised and enervated culture, one which isn't even valued by the majority of the native inhabitants? In such a cultural and moral vacuum, it is only normal for them to look backwards, having grown up in the valueless and chaotic western 'cultures,' as they are shunted into dreary slumurbias - tis the same reason i value my Polish heritage. But this is why it is so dangerous: raised in nihilistic, drug-infested and violent areas, and thus infused with certain behavioural patters already, it is easy to see why certain elements of Islam (particularly those that justify killing and violence, and tie them into heroism), are going to be very appealing to these people (and are liable to be abused by them). Again, this is why it is these generations who are so prone to radicalization, and this again provides an excuse for the state to assert its already near-limitless power.

And i don't see why Europe should have to pay the price for Obama's stupidity in Syria and Libya (along with the constant meddling of the Gulf States, and a bunch of proxy wars between Saudi Arabia and Iran); let's be real here: European culpability for Syria in particularly in considerably less than America, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and co.

I agree with the first 2 paragraphs especially the part where 2nd and 3rd gen immigrants can get brainwashed very easily in this chaotic society. There is no doubt in my mind some of these elected politicians need to be erased of EU politics because they do not act in the good of the european people and the minorities that contribute to society.

France and the British meddled in Libya before Obama even got in to it IIRC and when Khaddafi got overthrown who had the most issues with illegal Libyan refugees? Italy and France.
Libya today is a hot bed for terrorists and a big shithole where human trafficking happens when once before it was one of the best north African countries there was. The same thing is happening in Syria but people are blind they believe what they read in magazines and see on tv.

[Dresta]

Ralf Jaeger, interior minister for North Rhine-Westphalia:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35248601

Speaking out against the rapists is as bad as actually raping. LOL.

This is the kind of sap you voted in to power Germany.

This is what PC looks like.
:roll:

Yes, it's just as bad to point out how out-of-control politicians are ruining the lives of everyday people (and that their policies were a form of reckless endangerment from the get-go), as it is to sexually harass and rape women.

These people :facepalm.

There is no simple expression of opinion, no matter how heinous, that is as bad as forcibly violating women like this. Opinions are now as bad as rape - what a world these cultural marxist feminists have created for themselves, what a world indeed.

[StephHamann]

Telling the truth is hate speech

[Dresta]

Telling the truth is hate speech
That's usually what happens when you get rid of actual, personal religion, and replace it with the collectivised religion of the State (that is: of democracy, diversity, open borders, mass-immigration, and universalism). To question these is to be a heretic, and thus to be evil, and therefore 'as bad as rapists.'

I really don't see what's taking so long for everyone to recognise the religious parallels: there are so many, and those that hold them, stand behind their beliefs with such fanaticism, that it could only come from the innate human impulse towards religiosity. The more the evidence piles up showing how wrong their beliefs are, the more they dig their feet in, and the more they call their opponents racists and xenophobes and fascists and meanies (i.e. heretics). The difference is that they don't just think there opponents are wrong (like i believe they are), they have to think they are evil incarnate, ushering in a new Hitler, a new era of 'hate,' or some other banality.

[NumberSix]

If politicians insist on denial, cover up and deflection, the people will have no other choice than to elect an extremist who will at least acknowledge the problem and do something about it.

Don't get it twisted. If the choices are political elites who will do nothing or an extremist who will go overboard, the people would rather go overboard.

[Nick Young]

Meanwhile, in Finland...



Unprecedented sex harassment in Helsinki at New Year: police

HELSINKI: Finnish police reported Thursday an unusually high level of sexual harassment in Helsinki on New Year's Eve and said they had been tipped off about plans by groups of asylum seekers to sexually harass women.

Helsinki deputy police chief Ilkka Koskimaki told AFP: "There hasn't been this kind of harassment on previous New Year's Eves or other occasions for that matter... This is a completely new phenomenon in Helsinki."

Security guards hired to patrol the city on New Year's Eve told police there had been "widespread sexual harassment" at a central square where around 20,000 people had gathered for celebrations.

Three sexual assaults allegedly took place at Helsinki's central railway station on New Year's Eve, where around 1,000 mostly Iraqi asylum seekers had converged.

"Police have ... received information about three cases of sexual assault, of which two have been filed as complaints," Helsinki police said in a statement.

"The suspects were asylum seekers. The three were caught and taken into custody on the spot," Helsinki deputy police chief Ilkka Koskimaki told AFP.

Police said they had increased their preparedness "to an exceptional level" in Helsinki for New Year's Eve after being tipped off about possible problems.

"Ahead of New Year's Eve, the police caught wind of information that asylum seekers in the capital region possibly had similar plans to what the men gathered in Cologne's railway station have been reported to have had," police said in a statement.

Dozens of apparently coordinated sexual assaults against women took place on New Year's Eve in the western German city of Cologne.

Cologne police said they had received 120 criminal complaints by Thursday and quoted witnesses as saying that groups of 20-30 young men "who appeared to be of Arab origin" had surrounded victims, assaulted them and in several cases robbed them.

Koskimaki said police did not see a link between the Cologne and Helsinki incidents.

Shortly before New Year's Eve, Finnish police also arrested six Iraqis at an asylum residency center in Kirkkonummi, around 30 kilometers (19 miles) west of Helsinki, suspected of "publicly inciting criminal behavior". They were released on Jan. 2.

According to Koskimaki, the arrests were linked to the information police received in the run-up to New Year's Eve.

In November, Finnish authorities said around 10 asylum seekers were suspected of rapes, among the more than 1,000 rapes reported to police in 2015.
https://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/World/2016/Jan-07/330737-unprecedented-sex-harassment-in-helsinki-at-new-year-police.ashx

Are people still in denial about this? What more will it take?

[Nick Young]

Yo Brunch@Five, where you at brah?
[QUOTE] A majority of men who sexually harassed women in Cologne on New Year's Eve were asylum seekers, German media reports. City police reportedly did not want to publicize this because of its "politically awkward" nature.

http://www.dw.com/image/0,,18966248_303,00.jpg


City authorities identified at least some of the perpetrators at Cologne as asylum seekers from Syria, even detaining or questioning some of them, according to reports by local newspaper "K

[poido123]

If politicians insist on denial, cover up and deflection, the people will have no other choice than to elect an extremist who will at least acknowledge the problem and do something about it.

Don't get it twisted. If the choices are political elites who will do nothing or an extremist who will go overboard, the people would rather go overboard.



I believe that too.


trump wouldn't be so popular if not for his bold statements on muslims and immigration. He's saying what a lot of people think and are angry about.

[Nick Young]

Third wave feminism has lead to organized rape gangs that prey upon their own women, and it happened because it's what the feminists demanded.

[Nick Young]

Muslim brags about devastating 7-man gang rape of young German virgin girl, "full of dirt and sperm"

(WARNING: his story is f*cked up NSFW)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3MvinY66r0

[9erempiree]

People want to crap on the USA but this crap that has been happening in Europe feels like the apocalypse. Something out of a movie.

I mean just look at those pictures and these attacks on women.

Crazy ish.

[Nick Young]

People want to crap on the USA but this crap that has been happening in Europe feels like the apocalypse. Something out of a movie.

I mean just look at those pictures and these attacks on women.

Crazy ish.
The worst thing is there are still so many Germans and Europeans defending and making excuses for their new rapist neighbors. German politicians are largely trying to shift blame to the police and even the women themselves who were raped by the rape gangs.

"It's your fault! You shouldn't have gotten so close to these men. They come from a wartorn country and don't know any better!"

[NumberSix]

The worst thing is there are still so many Germans and Europeans defending and making excuses for their new rapist neighbors. German politicians are largely trying to shift blame to the police and even the women themselves who were raped by the rape gangs.

"It's your fault! You shouldn't have gotten so close to these men. They come from a wartorn country and don't know any better!"
There really aren't. The media distorts reality. That make it seem as if a small minority left-wing opinion is the majority opinion.

The one great thing Trump is doing is destroying the false reality of the media's narrative. 59% of American voters agree with Trumps Muslim ban. I think 76% are against bringing in Muslim refugees. But the media tries to act like the dominant opinion is some fringe minority opinion.

Now, I'm not saying those opinions are right or wrong, but they are in fact the majority opinion.

[Nick Young]

There really aren't. The media distorts reality. That make it seem as if a small minority left-wing opinion is the majority opinion.

The one great thing Trump is doing is destroying the false reality of the media's narrative. 59% of American voters agree with Trumps Muslim ban. I think 76% are against bringing in Muslim refugees. But the media tries to act like the dominant opinion is some fringe minority opinion.

Now, I'm not saying those opinions are right or wrong, but they are in fact the majority opinion.
I see it on reddit. There are still a lot of brunch@five types in denial about the whole thing.


most of Norway and Sweden has been in denial of this for years now. And the people there are still in denial and making excuses for their rapist neighbors.

[NumberSix]

I see it on reddit. There are still a lot of brunch@five types in denial about the whole thing.


most of Norway and Sweden has been in denial of this for years now. And the people there are still in denial and making excuses for their rapist neighbors.
Yeah, reddit is a breeding ground for leftist loons. It's like judging opinion on gay marriage based on comments you heard at an NRA meeting. Nearly everybody there will be heavily to the right.

[poido123]

I see it on reddit. There are still a lot of brunch@five types in denial about the whole thing.


most of Norway and Sweden has been in denial of this for years now. And the people there are still in denial and making excuses for their rapist neighbors.



These are your silver spoon politicians. They aren't going to do anything that might potentially harm them. It's easier to appease these people, than to take a stand and appear 'racist'.

[tomtucker]

Muslim brags about devastating 7-man gang rape of young German virgin girl, "full of dirt and sperm"

(WARNING: his story is f*cked up NSFW)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3MvinY66r0
Their own men are now castrated (via the feminazi state) and can't help them anymore.

[kurple]

I honestly feel sorry for you guys

I really don't understand why you have the need to debate this day after day in an basketball site? Banned from every politics forum? And who are you guys debating? No one else is in this thread

[UK2K]

I honestly feel sorry for you guys

I really don't understand why you have the need to debate this day after day in an basketball site? Banned from every politics forum? And who are you guys debating? No one else is in this thread

You feel its not important to discuss?

There are other threads for you then.

[Velocirap31]

This needs to be talked about everywhere. If we say and do nothing, then they have won.

[kurple]

please tell me how they are winning

Please tell me who "they" are?

[kurple]

You feel its not important to discuss?

There are other threads for you then.
Disscus what?

Bullshit propaganda news articles. Like the ones in the OP?

[UK2K]

Disscus what?

Bullshit propaganda news articles. Like the ones in the OP?

Its propaganda? Why? Because you don't like what it says? Do you have an opinion on the fact that Norway is, in fact, teaching 'how not to rape' classes to immigrants coming to their country, or do you think we just shouldn't talk about it?

[kurple]

As an Norwegian citizen i feel like i have more knowledge of this than you and that bullshit news article

Theres even been talk about this on Norwegian radio saying its false information and taken out of context

An good friend of mine who work as a teacher for immigrants told me its bullshit

I study social studies and we have talked a lot about this in school


Now tell me again. Is it propaganda or not? Is it bullshit or not?

[kurple]

****ing Indiana country nugga thinking he knows everything

Gtfoh

[Dresta]

I honestly feel sorry for you guys

I really don't understand why you have the need to debate this day after day in an basketball site? Banned from every politics forum? And who are you guys debating? No one else is in this thread
This is the Off the Court forum (i.e. nothing to do with basketball). People can discuss whatever the hell they like here, and you should mind your own business if the gradual self-immolation of Europe is not at all interesting to you - people who care about the future of civilization tend to think otherwise; only a fool is incapable recognising what a volatile period we are now entering, and that there are great convulsions lying on the horizon, all over the world (huge civil war within Islam, getting worse by the day, which foolish Europeans have invited straight into their own backyards; a world financial system on the precipice; a proxy war in Syria, involving many large powers, which could quickly escalate into something truly disastrous; the end of American world supremacy and emergence of China; nuclear proliferation, and other potential dangers).

I'm too old to go around signing up to forums these days, and so i'll just post here thanks, if you don't mind. I mean, how sad to you have to be to come here just to post how you 'feel' about people who discuss things you aren't interested in. You don't see me coming into threads about TV (i'm guessing your kind of thing) and saying how lame the people there are for discussing shitty TV programs on the internet with strangers. I mean: get a damn life already; you not only waste your time watching shitty tv, but talking about it on a basketball forum too :roll: .

See how easy that is? It is the tactic of an insecure saddo with nothing interesting to say.

[brownmamba00]

As an Norwegian citizen i feel like i have more knowledge of this than you and that bullshit news article

Theres even been talk about this on Norwegian radio saying its false information and taken out of context

An good friend of mine who work as a teacher for immigrants told me its bullshit

I study social studies and we have talked a lot about this in school


Now tell me again. Is it propaganda or not? Is it bullshit or not?
ethered the rednecks

[Dresta]

As an Norwegian citizen i feel like i have more knowledge of this than you and that bullshit news article

Theres even been talk about this on Norwegian radio saying its false information and taken out of context

An good friend of mine who work as a teacher for immigrants told me its bullshit

I study social studies and we have talked a lot about this in school


Now tell me again. Is it propaganda or not? Is it bullshit or not?


:roll:

*Brainwashed little sheep-man who thinks he's been educated alert*

"I knows about the world: i study 'social studies' in Norway guiz!!"


This is too funny. You're basically still a child; you should wait a few years before pretending to understand anything about the world, seriously.

[9erempiree]

As an Norwegian citizen i feel like i have more knowledge of this than you and that bullshit news article

Theres even been talk about this on Norwegian radio saying its false information and taken out of context

An good friend of mine who work as a teacher for immigrants told me its bullshit

I study social studies and we have talked a lot about this in school


Now tell me again. Is it propaganda or not? Is it bullshit or not?

We can tell you are just a kid.

I mean to be a Norwegian citizen and have no opinion on the subject matter except claiming you have an understanding due to your social studies.

[Overdrive]

We can tell you are just a kid.

I mean to be a Norwegian citizen and have no opinion on the subject matter except claiming you have an understanding due to your social studies.

Yet you are a californian a wannabe madridista who wants to tell europeans how it is living in their countries.

[9erempiree]

Yet you are a californian a wannabe madridista who wants to tell europeans how it is living in their countries.

Please quote me on the part where I was telling Europeans how to live their lives.

What I did criticize is their immigration policy far before these sexual attacks happened. I have also mentioned that these so-called 'refugees' will cause more harm than good.

In regards to a wanna be Madridista....you do know a lot of Europeans are posting on a site that promotes an American basketball league right and I am the wanna be here? Think about it.

Where are you from?

[UK2K]

As an Norwegian citizen i feel like i have more knowledge of this than you and that bullshit news article

Theres even been talk about this on Norwegian radio saying its false information and taken out of context

An good friend of mine who work as a teacher for immigrants told me its bullshit

I study social studies and we have talked a lot about this in school


Now tell me again. Is it propaganda or not? Is it bullshit or not?

Clearly a kid... maybe about... 16 or so?

Your friend told you its bullshit, but your police and your government (and witness reports and video and pictures) tell you its the truth. And the report is so outrageous, it gets around the world to the NY Times but...

Despite all those people fact checking the information, and determining its true...

You think they are wrong and you are right. Maybe you are right, maybe the police typed in Norwegian and it auto corrected to Syrian immigrant?

Also... your social studies class doesn't teach you shit. You'll realize that once you grow up and actually see the world for yourself.

[Overdrive]

Please quote me on the part where I was telling Europeans how to live their lives.

What I did criticize is their immigration policy far before these sexual attacks happened. I have also mentioned that these so-called 'refugees' will cause more harm than good.

I wrote, how it is living, how we have to live. And you do this even in this post. We don't know yet if the refugees are a net positive or negative, because those who don't rape woman could very well help the economy.

So far of course this attacks are a despicable heinous act and there's nothing good to say about that. I even stated here that the cultural misogynoc background plays a big role and chances are a big number of those immigrants will never truly dadpt to our values, chances are also a good number will and help our countries.




In regards to a wanna be Madridista....you do know a lot of Europeans are posting on a site that promotes an American basketball league right and I am the wanna be here? Think about it.

Where are you from?

Good point. I stated before that I can't be called fan of any basketball team, because I can't attend the games as I don't live in the US. I really like the Lakers, started following them when Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel and Vlade were their core.

The only club I consider myself fan of is Austria Vienna - which's internationally speaking biggest success was reaching a cup winner's cup final before I was born.

[Nick Young]

Brunch@five where you at?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYMUfKVW8AA2JT4.jpg
Arabic to German cheat sheet found on one of the rapefugees in Cologne.

Translations of what phrases were translated:
[QUOTE]
Gro

[Giaodollo]

Well needed...

2015

On August 28, a 22-year-old Eritrean asylum seeker was sentenced to one year and eight months in prison for attempting to rape a 30-year-old Iraqi-Kurdish woman at a refugee shelter in the Bavarian town of H

[Jameerthefear]

[QUOTE=Giaodollo]Well needed...

2015

On August 28, a 22-year-old Eritrean asylum seeker was sentenced to one year and eight months in prison for attempting to rape a 30-year-old Iraqi-Kurdish woman at a refugee shelter in the Bavarian town of H

[DonD13]

:roll:

*Brainwashed little sheep-man who thinks he's been educated alert*

"I knows about the world: i study 'social studies' in Norway guiz!!"


This is too funny. You're basically still a child; you should wait a few years before pretending to understand anything about the world, seriously.

you sound very mature.

[DonD13]

meanwhile in the USA

http://lowbird.com/data/images/2016/01/fjcdn-usa-usa-usa-e8557ee6258a876544d83f260b41f40a.png

[tomtucker]

As an Norwegian citizen i feel like i have more knowledge of this than you and that bullshit news article

Theres even been talk about this on Norwegian radio saying its false information and taken out of context

An good friend of mine who work as a teacher for immigrants told me its bullshit

I study social studies and we have talked a lot about this in school


Now tell me again. Is it propaganda or not? Is it bullshit or not?

i hope and pray that you and/or a family gets beaten or raped by one or more of your new friends

that

[Akrazotile]

As an Norwegian citizen i feel like i have more knowledge of this than you and that bullshit news article

Theres even been talk about this on Norwegian radio saying its false information and taken out of context

An good friend of mine who work as a teacher for immigrants told me its bullshit

I study social studies and we have talked a lot about this in school


Now tell me again. Is it propaganda or not? Is it bullshit or not?



:roll:

[pastis]

hello,

german newspapers now are reporting that in a small city called Weil (southern Germany) 4 Syrians raped 2 girls (14 and 15 years old on nye). one of the syrians was a refugee with residence permit and another one was looking for an application for asylum)
Furthermore in Bonn (former capital of Germany) during a party organized by "Pro-Asyl" (organisation who stands up and defends rights for persons seeking asylum and "refugees") many women were touched in a "disreputable" way lots of times during the party.

thats shocking. but on the other hand: why are women going to such a party? the wanted to flirt with some handsome syrien men and then its going a step to far for them.

[keep-itreal]

As an Norwegian citizen i feel like i have more knowledge of this than you and that bullshit news article

Theres even been talk about this on Norwegian radio saying its false information and taken out of context

An good friend of mine who work as a teacher for immigrants told me its bullshit

I study social studies and we have talked a lot about this in school


Now tell me again. Is it propaganda or not? Is it bullshit or not?
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[DonD13]

hello,

german newspapers now are reporting that in a small city called Weil (southern Germany) 4 Syrians raped 2 girls (14 and 15 years old on nye). one of the syrians was a refugee with residence permit and another one was looking for an application for asylum)
Furthermore in Bonn (former capital of Germany) during a party organized by "Pro-Asyl" (organisation who stands up and defends rights for persons seeking asylum and "refugees") many women were touched in a "disreputable" way lots of times during the party.

thats shocking. but on the other hand: why are women going to such a party? the wanted to flirt with some handsome syrien men and then its going a step to far for them.

in that first case, the women had a date with the refugees to spend new years eve together. the sex part was amicable at first then turned into rape

:facepalm

[Giaodollo]

in that first case, the women had a date with the refugees to spend new years eve together. the sex part was amicable at first then turned into rape

:facepalm

Where 4 guys raped 2 girls?

Here is a snapchat video of a rape in france that happened recentely. Stops when the rape is about to start.. The girl was drugged.

Bastards..

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=51f_1452034494

[StephHamann]

in that first case, the women had a date with the refugees to spend new years eve together. the sex part was amicable at first then turned into rape

:facepalm

Are you turned on by that story?

[kurple]

Funny thing is that I'll make more money a year with my pointless degree (and I agree it's pointless, was the easiest education I could find) than anyone else in this thread.. Norway FTW, stay winning


And I didn't mean that I understand the society more than you because of my education.. Just that we have discussed exactly this in my class in ****ing Oslo, Norway, the city you clueless bastards was discussing based on a bullshit propaganda article

How is that laughable or not relevant? This is why people can't take Americans seriously, they always think they know better, even things they obviously don't know shit about

[KyrieTheFuture]

Funny thing is that I'll make more money a year with my pointless degree (and I agree it's pointless, was the easiest education I could find) than anyone else in this thread.. Norway FTW, stay winning


And I didn't mean that I understand the society more than you because of my education.. Just that we have discussed exactly this in my class in ****ing Oslo, Norway, the city you clueless bastards was discussing based on a bullshit propaganda article

How is that laughable or not relevant? This is why people can't take Americans seriously, they always think they know better, even things they obviously don't know shit about
I have no comment on your degree but this is some of the weakest shit I've ever had the displeasure of reading.

[Nick Young]

http://i2.wp.com/woundedamericanwarrior.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/finnish-girl-burned-alive.jpg

[QUOTE]
Finnish Teen Brutally Raped Then Burned Alive By Illegal Muslim Migrant From Afghanistan


A 26 year old illegal alien from Afghanistan was convicted of the rape and torture/murder of a seventeen year old girl in Finland.

Ramin Azimin came to Finland as an illegal alien. Under EU law, Finland had to grant him temporary residency and consider him for asylum. His application for asylum was rejected in early 2014, but he was never deported.

Seventeen year old Jonna briefly dated Azimin. After she she broke up with him, he kidnapped her. He tied her up. Placed her in an outhouse, and set it on fire. Azimin told the court that Jonna had committed suicide by burning herself alive.

He was convicted on November 26th, and sentenced to what is referred to as

[highwhey]

:roll:
He said social studies :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

hello,

german newspapers now are reporting that in a small city called Weil (southern Germany) 4 Syrians raped 2 girls (14 and 15 years old on nye). one of the syrians was a refugee with residence permit and another one was looking for an application for asylum)
Furthermore in Bonn (former capital of Germany) during a party organized by "Pro-Asyl" (organisation who stands up and defends rights for persons seeking asylum and "refugees") many women were touched in a "disreputable" way lots of times during the party.

thats shocking. but on the other hand: why are women going to such a party? the wanted to flirt with some handsome syrien men and then its going a step to far for them.
:lebronamazed:

The Germans are reaping what they sow. We told you this would happen, Europe.

[Nick Young]

Funny thing is that I'll make more money a year with my pointless degree (and I agree it's pointless, was the easiest education I could find) than anyone else in this thread.. Norway FTW, stay winning


And I didn't mean that I understand the society more than you because of my education.. Just that we have discussed exactly this in my class in ****ing Oslo, Norway, the city you clueless bastards was discussing based on a bullshit propaganda article

How is that laughable or not relevant? This is why people can't take Americans seriously, they always think they know better, even things they obviously don't know shit about
this retard...

"I dun lurned it in social studies class doe."

[Dresta]

Eligible for parole in 12 years

:facepalm

European 'humanitarianism' everybody :applause:.

[Nick Young]

NYE Horror: 500 men break into a night-club and attack women in Bielefeld, Germany

[QUOTE]Hundreds are said to have attacked Bielefeld Disco

Not only Cologne, Hamburg and Stuttgart were on New Years Eve scene of attacks on women. In Bielefeld there were attacks. An eyewitness can now see a whole new dimension.




The sexual assaults in Cologne to solve everywhere in dismay. And every day we add new insights to the events in the New Year's Eve to light. Not only in relation to Cologne. Now it became known that the riots in the Bielefeld city had been possibly worse than expected.

Several hundred men should accordingly have tried several times, access to the nightclub "by force Elephant Club to gain". The chief of the Security Service said the "Westfalen-Blatt" of 500 men.

On the club's website pictures were of the riots published. Women have been touched by the report in the genital area. "Only by using physical violence, we could help women to break free," the eyewitness is quoted.

The "Neue Westf

[ShaqTwizzle]

Eligible for parole in 12 years

:facepalm

European 'humanitarianism' everybody :applause:.

Finnish prisons are like nice hotels.

http://new1.fjcdn.com/pictures/Prison_52c0ea_2807301.jpg

This guy will be playing video games and eating good food after burning alive a native girl...

[DonD13]

whenever prisons from first world countries come up Americans be like 'man, i wish i could live like that' :oldlol:

meanwhile, where are the most people imprisoned percentage-wise?
it's not working. yes, you do put teenagers on a electric chair but it doesn't help

hopefully you feel happy by putting fingers on what happened new years eve, even though your more likely to get raped in the USA than in Europe

[Nick Young]

whenever prisons from first world countries come up Americans be like 'man, i wish i could live like that' :oldlol:

meanwhile, where are the most people imprisoned percentage-wise?
it's not working. yes, you do put teenagers on a electric chair but it doesn't help

hopefully you feel happy by putting fingers on what happened new years eve, even though your more likely to get raped in the USA than in Europe
LOL you're still desperately trying to Eurosplain this away:roll: :roll: :roll:

GJ Europe, welcoming foreign rapists in to your continent and then rewarding them with 15 year long tax-funded luxury hotel stays when they get convicted for raping your women.

[DonD13]

LOL you're still desperately trying to Eurosplain this away:roll: :roll: :roll:

GJ Europe, welcoming foreign rapists in to your continent and then rewarding them with 15 year long tax-funded luxury hotel stays when they get convicted for raping your women.

yes Nick Young we are welcoming rapists to get them in luxury hotels

[Nick Young]

yes Nick Young we are welcoming rapists to get them in luxury hotels
Effectively, you are.

[Nick Young]

What a beautiful and peace loving religion!

[QUOTE]Students 'deserve rape' for not wearing Islamic headscarf: Turkish teacher's remark sparks outrage

A Turkish high school teacher's controversial remark against her female students for not wearing the headscarf has sparked outrage.

The Islamic teacher, assigned to teach religious culture and morality, allegedly told her students that they 'deserved to be raped and brutalised' because they were not wearing the Islamic headscarf, Today's Zaman reported.

The incident was reported from the northern Turkish province of Tokat and the teacher was a substitute for an optional Quran class at Halil Rıfat Paşa Secondary School. She was apparently angry at the constant chatter among the students during her class.

She is reported to have said, "You don't cover your heads either. You deserve rape, you deserve cruelty."

According to the report, there were 17 seventh grade students, both boys and girls.

The teacher also reprimanded them for attending a peace march in memory of