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VengefulAngel
01-07-2016, 02:01 PM
1) Lebron James
2) Wilt Chamberlain
3) Jerry West

Same team apart from these players, the performance of the other player's wont affect the result.


10 million dollars per final loss.

Mass Debator
01-07-2016, 02:03 PM
This is no fun. You already ordered them correctly. :(

VengefulAngel
01-07-2016, 02:04 PM
This is no fun. You already ordered them correctly. :(

Damn it, too easy!

dubeta
01-07-2016, 02:05 PM
meltdown

24-Inch_Chrome
01-07-2016, 02:08 PM
2011 Bron vs 2004 Kobe would make for a good discussion.

VengefulAngel
01-07-2016, 02:11 PM
2011 Bron vs 2004 Kobe would make for a good discussion.

True, need to watch the bron series again to see how bad it was, Lebron's stats can always deceive a little bit. 17/8/7 on decent %s doesn't look that atrocious.

BuffaloBill
01-07-2016, 03:03 PM
2011 bron

sammichoffate
01-07-2016, 03:09 PM
True, need to watch the bron series again to see how bad it was, Lebron's stats can always deceive a little bit. 17/8/7 on decent %s doesn't look that atrocious.For a number one option, it's pretty sub-par.

Bosnian Sajo
01-07-2016, 03:16 PM
2011 Bron vs 2004 Kobe would make for a good discussion.

2007 Bron, 2011 Bron, 2014 Bron, 2015 Bron vs 2004 Kobe, 2008 Kobe


2008 Kobe >>> All 4 Lebron's runner up years

24-Inch_Chrome
01-07-2016, 03:18 PM
Except that 2007, 2008, 2014, and 2015 don't come anywhere close to fitting the 2004/2011 mold. I picked those two years for a reason.

fragokota
01-07-2016, 03:19 PM
All three are damn fine choices if you have to lose.

Mass Debator
01-07-2016, 03:26 PM
Per NBA.com:

19.1 PPG is Jason Terry's PER 36 scoring avg when Lebron is on the court.
8.5 PPG when Lebron is on the bench (2011 NBA Finals)

Mr. Jabbar
01-07-2016, 03:26 PM
This is no fun. You already ordered them correctly. :(


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

riseagainst
01-07-2016, 03:27 PM
Per NBA.com:

19.1 PPG is Jason Terry's PER 36 scoring avg when Lebron is on the court.
8.5 PPG when Lebron is on the bench (2011 NBA Finals)


:lol
:roll:

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
01-07-2016, 03:44 PM
Per NBA.com:

19.1 PPG is Jason Terry's PER 36 scoring avg when Lebron is on the court.
8.5 PPG when Lebron is on the bench (2011 NBA Finals)

Yeah, this is LeBron's easily. :oldlol:

You could argue LeBron's 2007 finals were as bad as 2004 Kobe's, given every game in that Spurs/Cavs series was close. IIRC all games were decided well into the 4th quarter.

Damn. Bron shit himself in not 1 BUT 2 finals :biggums:

Wade's Rings
01-07-2016, 03:50 PM
Yeah, this is LeBron's easily. :oldlol:

You could argue LeBron's 2007 finals were as bad as 2004 Kobe's, given every game in that Spurs/Cavs series was close. IIRC all games were decided well into the 4th quarter.

Damn. Bron shit himself in not 1 BUT 2 finals :biggums:

Not all of the games were close. Games 1 they were down 15 heading into the 4th and Game 2 IIRC it was almost 30 points. Games 3 & 4 he really wet the bed.

- Game 3 - Lebron 25 pts on 39%, 7 ast to 5 turnovers. Cavs only lose by 3 as Lebron missed game-tying 3
- Game 4 - 24 pts on 30 shots (33% shooting), 10 ast to 6 turnovers. Cavs only lose by 1 as Lebron goes 2/6 from the FT line.

SouBeachTalents
01-07-2016, 03:55 PM
2007 Bron, 2011 Bron, 2014 Bron, 2015 Bron vs 2004 Kobe, 2008 Kobe


2008 Kobe >>> All 4 Lebron's runner up years

Lol, LeBron's last 2 Finals were easily better than Kobe's in '08

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
01-07-2016, 03:55 PM
Not all of the games were close. Games 1 they were down 15 heading into the 4th and Game 2 IIRC it was almost 30 points. Games 3 & 4 he really wet the bed.

- Game 3 - Lebron 25 pts on 39%, 7 ast to 5 turnovers. Cavs only lose by 3 as Lebron missed game-tying 3
- Game 4 - 24 pts on 30 shots (33% shooting), 10 ast to 6 turnovers. Cavs only lose by 1 as Lebron goes 2/6 from the FT line.

True. I think it was game 2 where Cleveland cut the deficit to single digits in the 4th. Guy played awful throughout the series, but especially @ home just as you pointed out.

That was the series Pop exposed the world to LeBron's shooting inability. :lol

Wade's Rings
01-07-2016, 04:08 PM
True. I think it was game 2 where Cleveland cut the deficit to single digits in the 4th. Guy played awful throughout the series, but especially @ home just as you pointed out.

That was the series Pop exposed the world to LeBron's shooting inability. :lol

In Game 2 Cleveland outscored them by like 15 or so in the 4th to make it look closer than it actually was.

His play the last 2 Games are especially why I never give him a pass for this Finals. He should've never been swept and if he plays better in the last 2 Games, the series is 2-2 heading to Game 5 @ Home.

BigMacAttack
01-07-2016, 04:18 PM
Bron. Just turn off the aircon and its over babyyyy.

Bankaii
01-07-2016, 06:04 PM
Not all of the games were close. Games 1 they were down 15 heading into the 4th and Game 2 IIRC it was almost 30 points. Games 3 & 4 he really wet the bed.

- Game 3 - Lebron 25 pts on 39%, 7 ast to 5 turnovers. Cavs only lose by 3 as Lebron missed game-tying 3
- Game 4 - 24 pts on 30 shots (33% shooting), 10 ast to 6 turnovers. Cavs only lose by 1 as Lebron goes 2/6 from the FT line.
Funny how you conveniently leave out his 12 point 4th quarter in game 3 and how he scored or assisted on 21 of Cleveland's 30 points in the 4th of game 4.

In any other situation you always post his 4th quarter stats to fit your agenda why not now?

But then again you and that kuniva idiot irrationally hate on Bron for whatever reason.

Marchesk
01-07-2016, 06:45 PM
Not sure why West is in the list. He performed near Jordan level in the finals.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
01-07-2016, 06:48 PM
Funny how you conveniently leave out his 12 point 4th quarter in game 3 and how he scored or assisted on 21 of Cleveland's 30 points in the 4th of game 4.

Was this during or after the Spurs dared LeBron to shoot?

Along with the turnovers and bad defense he shot the ball like shit, and you're here jerking off to this performance?

Clown.

G0ATbe
01-07-2016, 06:54 PM
LeBald. As long as he doesnt have a super stacked team with at least 2 superstars, its a guaranteed L.

zeerghit
01-07-2016, 06:57 PM
1a kobe
1b carmelo
2a lebron
2b miller

Gileraracer
01-07-2016, 07:29 PM
Lebron :applause: I would only be afraid that he'd leave my team before it's over

Bankaii
01-07-2016, 07:38 PM
Was this during or after the Spurs dared LeBron to shoot?

Along with the turnovers and bad defense he shot the ball like shit, and you're here jerking off to this performance?

Clown.
Pointing out a statistical fact is jerking off to it? Fkn dumbass.

I never stated that he shot great, I simply pointed out how he conveniently left out his 4th quarter scoring, which kept the game close in the first place.

You stay making shit assumptions.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
01-07-2016, 08:03 PM
Pointing out a statistical fact is jerking off to it? Fkn dumbass.

I never stated that he shot great, I simply pointed out how he conveniently left out his 4th quarter scoring, which kept the game close in the first place.

You stay making shit assumptions.

What was the point of even bringing it up, when it's common knowledge the guy played a terrible series regardless?

Do you want a pat on the back or something? You're probably the only poster here that actually lives vicariously through LeBron. :oldlol:

Good talk.

RRR3
01-07-2016, 08:06 PM
LeBron only lost one finals that he should have won so this is kind of a dumb thread.


If we did research, we'd probably find that West and Wilt were generally not to blame for their teams losing either.

Bankaii
01-08-2016, 01:47 AM
What was the point of even bringing it up, when it's common knowledge the guy played a terrible series regardless?

Do you want a pat on the back or something? You're probably the only poster here that actually lives vicariously through LeBron. :oldlol:

Good talk.
How stupid are you man?

That dude posted Lebrons stats and stated that the games were still close. Indicating that Lebron's poor play was the main reason they lost.

I argued against by posting Lebrons 4th quarter scoring to show that he was the main reason the game ended close in the 1st place.

I was debating with him, you haven't even provided anything useful whatsoever.

And how is defending a player I'm a fan of using facts living through him? I already play basketball, quite well, on a level you can only have wet dreams of.
Why are you so salty, got cut from your middle school team?:oldlol:

Wade's Rings
01-08-2016, 06:33 PM
Was this during or after the Spurs dared LeBron to shoot?

Along with the turnovers and bad defense he shot the ball like shit, and you're here jerking off to this performance?

Clown.

:applause:

This guy also says Lebron had less help in the '13 Finals than Wade in the '11 Finals by bringing up the raw stats and when I mention Bron's 4th Quarters, he completely ignores it or doesn't mention them at all. However the 4th Quarters have suddenly become relevant in this discussion. :oldlol:

Dr Hawk
01-08-2016, 06:35 PM
Bill Russell. Give him an slightly above average team and enjoy the L's

Bankaii
01-08-2016, 10:54 PM
:applause:

This guy also says Lebron had less help in the '13 Finals than Wade in the '11 Finals by bringing up the raw stats and when I mention Bron's 4th Quarters, he completely ignores it or doesn't mention them at all. However the 4th Quarters have suddenly become relevant in this discussion. :oldlol:
Quit making shit up.

Post Lebrons 2011 4th quarter and Wade's 2013 4th quarter stats.

Wade's Rings
01-09-2016, 02:47 AM
Quit making shit up.

Post Lebrons 2011 4th quarter and Wade's 2013 4th quarter stats.

We've had this debate constantly, stop acting like you have no idea what I'm referencing. You've been on record saying Wade in the '11 Finals had more help than Bron in the '13 Finals.

Here's your exact post claiming Wade had more help in the'11 Finals than Bron in the '13 Finals: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11683674&postcount=40

But yeah I'm making this shit up. You're a f*cking dumbass. Even dumber than dubeta and his alts.

Throughout the rest of the thread we debate about that.

Wade game 1: 0pts 0-2
Game 2: played 1 minute and a half 0pts 0-1
Game 3: blowout already 4pts 2-5
Game 4: 8 pts 4-6 within 13pts, from 13+ points on 2pts 1-3
Game 5: 3pts 1-4
Game 6: 2pts 0-2
Game 7: 5pts 2-5

Close Games (1,4,6,7): 3.75 on 40%

Lebron Game 1: 5pts 2-4
Game 2: 2pts 0-4
Game 3: 2pts 1-3
Game 4: 0pts 0-1
Game 5: 2pts 1-4
Game 6: 7pts 3-5

Close Games (entire series): 3 on 33% shooting

Not to mention Wade played defense that series.

plowking
01-09-2016, 03:06 AM
There probably isn't a single NBA player ever that wins the last two finals in place of LeBron given everything else holds constant.

Maybe Wilt or Shaq could, but not likely.

Bankaii
01-09-2016, 03:39 AM
We've had this debate constantly, stop acting like you have no idea what I'm referencing. You've been on record saying Wade in the '11 Finals had more help than Bron in the '13 Finals.

Here's your exact post claiming Wade had more help in the'11 Finals than Bron in the '13 Finals: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11683674&postcount=40

But yeah I'm making this shit up. You're a f*cking dumbass. Even dumber than dubeta and his alts.

Throughout the rest of the thread we debate about that.

Wade game 1: 0pts 0-2
Game 2: played 1 minute and a half 0pts 0-1
Game 3: blowout already 4pts 2-5
Game 4: 8 pts 4-6 within 13pts, from 13+ points on 2pts 1-3
Game 5: 3pts 1-4
Game 6: 2pts 0-2
Game 7: 5pts 2-5

Close Games (1,4,6,7): 3.75 on 40%

Lebron Game 1: 5pts 2-4
Game 2: 2pts 0-4
Game 3: 2pts 1-3
Game 4: 0pts 0-1
Game 5: 2pts 1-4
Game 6: 7pts 3-5

Close Games (entire series): 3 on 33% shooting

Not to mention Wade played defense that series.
My goodness you're a fkn idiot. Idk what your obsession with me is but after you hold this L maybe you'll hop off.

Wade-
Game 1: Lets look at the entire 2nd half: 2-7, 4 points.
Game 2: Entire 2nd half: 0 points, 0-3, 0-2 FT.
Game 3: Entire 2nd half (down 44-50 at start): 3-8, 4 points.
Game 4: Great game. Huge reason they won.
Game 5: Entire 2nd half (down 52-61): 4-10, 11 points.
Game 6: They went on that huge comeback run in the 4 while Wade was on the bench. And in overtime: 0-1, 0 points.
Game 7: Entire 2nd half: 4-9. 9 points.

Wade was terrible for the 2nd half for 5/6 games. In the biggest game of the series dude played little to no role in the comeback that kept them in the game. In fact when he came back in the Spurs took the lead again.

When you factor in the level of their teammates as well as the level of their competition. Wade and Lebron at worst had equal help. Wade wasn't able to pull a 2013 game 6 Lebron where he just takes over and wins a quarter (practically) on his own despite the play of his teammates when it was needed.

Please don't misinterpret what I'm saying. 2011 is the 2nd worst Finals series I've seen in my life for a Top 10 GOAT. If he had played like even a regular star, Heat win. But Wade had enough help to win.

Wade's Rings
01-09-2016, 03:59 AM
My goodness you're a fkn idiot. Idk what your obsession with me is but after you hold this L maybe you'll hop off.

You're the one who replied to me in this thread. Then I ignored you and you replied to me again. :facepalm


Wade-
Game 1: Lets look at the entire 2nd half: 2-7, 4 points.
Game 2: Entire 2nd half: 0 points, 0-3, 0-2 FT.
Game 3: Entire 2nd half (down 44-50 at start): 3-8, 4 points.
Game 4: Great game. Huge reason they won.
Game 5: Entire 2nd half (down 52-61): 4-10, 11 points.
Game 6: They went on that huge comeback run in the 4 while Wade was on the bench. And in overtime: 0-1, 0 points.
Game 7: Entire 2nd half: 4-9. 9 points.

Wade was terrible for the 2nd half for 5/6 games. In the biggest game of the series dude played little to no role in the comeback that kept them in the game. In fact when he came back in the Spurs took the lead again.

How was he terrible in the 2nd half of Game 5 or 7? Game 6 was the game he banged knees with Ginobili he was playing IIRC until that point.


When you factor in the level of their teammates as well as the level of their competition. Wade and Lebron at worst had equal help. Wade wasn't able to pull a 2013 game 6 Lebron where he just takes over and wins a quarter (practically) on his own despite the play of his teammates when it was needed.

Again your ignorance. Bron wasn't doing anything to help the Heat. You ignore my point about playing Defense. In Game 2 after they go up 15 Bron proceeds to statpad and Wade gets 3 shots and 1 of them comes at the end of the shotclock and another was a deep 3 at the end of the game. In Game 4, Bron had 8 points..2 coming off a flop and another a spoon fed dunk from Wade, Did Wade have a game like this? In Game 5 after Wade puts the Heat up 4 with about 4 minutes left, Lebron misses 2 jumpers and has 2 turnovers as the Heat lose the lead and momentum. These were the key moments I was referring to. Wade didn't have moments like this in the '13 Finals where he completely lost the Heat there momentum, etc. That's the biggest difference outside of Defense.

Bankaii
01-09-2016, 09:44 PM
You're the one who replied to me in this thread. Then I ignored you and you replied to me again. :facepalm
Insulting me to kuniva cause you're too bitch to respond to me directly is essentially the same as replying.


How was he terrible in the 2nd half of Game 5 or 7? Game 6 was the game he banged knees with Ginobili he was playing IIRC until that point.
If you combine the 2 second halves of games 5 and 7 Wade had 20 points on 8-19 shooting (42%) along with 4 turnovers through 4 quarters of basketball. That's not bad?

Again your ignorance. Bron wasn't doing anything to help the Heat. You ignore my point about playing Defense. In Game 2 after they go up 15 Bron proceeds to statpad and Wade gets 3 shots and 1 of them comes at the end of the shotclock and another was a deep 3 at the end of the game. In Game 4, Bron had 8 points..2 coming off a flop and another a spoon fed dunk from Wade, Did Wade have a game like this? In Game 5 after Wade puts the Heat up 4 with about 4 minutes left, Lebron misses 2 jumpers and has 2 turnovers as the Heat lose the lead and momentum. These were the key moments I was referring to. Wade didn't have moments like this in the '13 Finals where he completely lost the Heat there momentum, etc. That's the biggest difference outside of Defense.[/QUOTE]
You're overstating Wade's defense. He had some big moments, but there were also times where it was subpar. Overall it was average, nothing to gloat about.
Danny Green was 25/38 (66%) from 3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that Wade's main guy?

The heat didn't lose momentum in 2013 because Lebron got other players involved or scored himself.

Game 1: 3rd Quarter: Heat up 58-51. Wade misses a shot and turns the ball over and the Spurs cut the lead to 1. After the timeout Lebron comes out and scores then gets Haslem and Chalmers going and they go up 5.

Game 5: 3rd Quarter: Down 60-61 Wade makes a bad pass which leads to a 3 by Danny Green. Then Manu makes it a 8 point lead. Then Lebron changes the momentum and gets Wade and Chalmers 2 easy baskets abd assists Wade 2 more times to cut the lead.

Game 6: They're down by 12 in the 3rd. Wade goes to the bench and they go on historic 24-9 run Lebron scored or assisted on 21/24 points to go up 3. Wade comes back in and the Spurs go back up 5. Lebron hits a clutch 3, and you know the rest. Overtime: Lebron assists or scores ever point except 2 while Wade craps the bed.

Game 7: In the final minute Wade was 0/1 with only 1 point from a free throw after the game was over. Lebron scored 5 points including the dagger and a steal which lead to clutch game ending free throws.

Just look at his +/- for games 6&7. He was a net negative at times.

The difference between Wade and Bron is that when Wade struggled Bron got him open shots or got teammates involved. Wade isn't the playmaker Lebron is.

But a first you said Lebron was overall bad. Then you changed it to his 4th quarters was worse than Wade's. Now it's "Lebron ruined momentum". You keep changing posts, what is it gonna be now?

Wade's Rings
01-10-2016, 01:31 AM
Insulting me to kuniva cause you're too bitch to respond to me directly is essentially the same as replying.

I have responded to you directly and insulted you directly in other threads: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12026789&postcount=47 I didn't want to waste my time in this thread arguing with your ignorant self.

In this thread you respond to me, I ignore you and you then reply to me again, but you accuse me of being obsessed with you. Do you not realize how stupid you sound? Don't avoid it like you always do when you get proven wrong, answer that question.


If you combine the 2 second halves of games 5 and 7 Wade had 20 points on 8-19 shooting (42%) along with 4 turnovers through 4 quarters of basketball. That's not bad?

4 turnovers through 4 quarters is the equivalent of 4 turnovers in 1 Game?

In Game 5 he scored 8pts in the 3rd and helped the Heat make that comeback to put it within 1 and he was subbed out with the Heat down 6 in the 3rd and he entered the Game in the 4th with the Heat down 12 and having lost momentum and 2 seconds after he entered the Heat were down 14.

In Game 7 he scored 4pts in the 3rd quarter & 5pts in the 4th Quarter. I don't see that as horrible. Solid not horrible or great.


You're overstating Wade's defense. He had some big moments, but there were also times where it was subpar. Overall it was average, nothing to gloat about.
Danny Green was 25/38 (66%) from 3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that Wade's main guy?

If you watched that series you would see that Green got a lot of 3s in transition. Wade also averaged 1.9 steals and 1.3 blocks.


The heat didn't lose momentum in 2013 because Lebron got other players involved or scored himself.

Game 1: 3rd Quarter: Heat up 58-51. Wade misses a shot and turns the ball over and the Spurs cut the lead to 1. After the timeout Lebron comes out and scores then gets Haslem and Chalmers going and they go up 5.

Game 5: 3rd Quarter: Down 60-61 Wade makes a bad pass which leads to a 3 by Danny Green. Then Manu makes it a 8 point lead. Then Lebron changes the momentum and gets Wade and Chalmers 2 easy baskets abd assists Wade 2 more times to cut the lead.

Game 6: They're down by 12 in the 3rd. Wade goes to the bench and they go on historic 24-9 run Lebron scored or assisted on 21/24 points to go up 3. Wade comes back in and the Spurs go back up 5. Lebron hits a clutch 3, and you know the rest. Overtime: Lebron assists or scores ever point except 2 while Wade craps the bed.

Game 7: In the final minute Wade was 0/1 with only 1 point from a free throw after the game was over. Lebron scored 5 points including the dagger and a steal which lead to clutch game ending free throws.

You're helping prove my point of how Bron screwed them over and Wade didn't. He took the ball at inopportune times and lost the Heat their momentum.

Game 1: Wade had 5pts, 2rbds, 2asts, 1blk in the last 5 minutes.

Game 3: 7pts, hit a 3 to put us up 6 and another late basket to take the lead.

Game 4: He had 7pts & 2 blks. His only mistake was the missed Free Throw with 30 seconds left.
Where was Bron this Game? You don't think Wade wins if he gets more than 8pts on 3/11 from Bron? You think Bron wins Game 7 8pts from Wade? How about if Wade only had 8 in Game 5 would the Heat have even pulled within 1? This is what you can't grasp.

Game 5: 10pts 3asts, 1stl, 1blk. After Wade makes the 3 to put the Heat up 99-95 Lebron holds the ball for 3 Possessions coming up with 2 missed shots and a turnover. He killed the Heats momentum and their run. When did Wade do this?


Just look at his +/- for games 6&7. He was a net negative at times.

The difference between Wade and Bron is that when Wade struggled Bron got him open shots or got teammates involved. Wade isn't the playmaker Lebron is.

So his 2asts in the last 5 minutes of Game 1 didn't help? 3 asts in Game 5?

Your point is also ignorant because Wade plays off-ball and that allowed Lebron to help him. Lebron got the ball in Game 2 and pounded away, in Game 5 got the ball and pounded away.


But a first you said Lebron was overall bad. Then you changed it to his 4th quarters was worse than Wade's. Now it's "Lebron ruined momentum". You keep changing posts, what is it gonna be now?

I always said his 4th quarter play was worse than Wade's. Him ruining momentum was part of his 4th Quarter choking. Holds the ball after the Heat go up 15 in the 4th Quarter of Game 2, Turnovers and missed jumpers in the 4th quarter of Game 5 after Wade puts the Heat up 4. My posts never changed, if you could read you would know that. :oldlol:

Harison
01-10-2016, 02:30 AM
1) Lebron James
2) Wilt Chamberlain
3) Jerry West

Order is correct, however Jerry doesnt belong to this list, he is one of the best Finals performers of All-time.

pauk
01-10-2016, 01:23 PM
For a number one option, it's pretty sub-par.
It is but he wasnt exactly #1 option to its full context the first miami year... it was a my turn your turn thing with chemistry problems and it caught them at the worst possible time in the finals... thats why they lost, things didnt happen for miami until next year when lebron ball officially got the greenlight... 2011 would never happen or at least lebron sure would produce up to his standards if he had that greenlight already... the guy averaged 14 fga ffs, he never took that few shots in his life... critics would love to act like he choked or something, but that didnt happen at all, you have to try and then fail for you to choke.... but he didnt and there was a reason behind it...

Except for that unfortunate occasion lebron has been one of the greatest playoff performers in nba history, considering what he had to work with and against especially in finals, fantastic in the clutch aswell with now even more gamewinners than even jordan....

So if you wanna lose a series with him you better be having a horrible supporting cast.

Spurs5Rings2014
01-10-2016, 01:56 PM
Where Elgin Baylor? 0-8 speaks for itself.

:confusedshrug:

LAZERUSS
01-10-2016, 02:04 PM
1) Lebron James
2) Wilt Chamberlain
3) Jerry West

Same team apart from these players, the performance of the other player's wont affect the result.


10 million dollars per final loss.

Depends. If the opposing team and their best player has an equal roster...well we know you wouldn't want Wilt. We saw that in '67. A dominating title.

Now, if you want to give Wilt a roster with clowns, and an incompetent coach, and are playing a much better overall team...he might lose a game seven by two points.

Spurs5Rings2014
01-10-2016, 02:06 PM
Depends. If the opposing team and their best player has an equal roster...well we know you wouldn't want Wilt. We saw that in '67. A dominating title.

Now, if you want to give Wilt a roster with clowns, and an incompetent coach, and are playing a much better overall team...he might lose a game seven by two points.

But the more important question is, would his production decrease rather than elevate like other ATG's?

:confusedshrug:

LAZERUSS
01-10-2016, 02:10 PM
But the more important question is, would his production decrease rather than elevate like other ATG's?

:confusedshrug:

Let me give you an example...

Russell basically built his post-season stats against the Lakers in FIVE finals in the 60's (actually he played them six times, but in the one in which he faced Wilt, he did absolutely nothing.)

Had Wilt even played the Lakers ONCE in that decade, and he likely would hold every post-season scoring and efficiency record.

SouBeachTalents
01-10-2016, 02:15 PM
Lol at West being on this list, dude is probably the third greatest Finals performer of all time after Jordan & Shaq. They played at a faster pace then, but check out some of his Finals performances

1962: 31/5/3 on 46%
1963: 30/7/5 on 49%
1965: 34/6/3 on 42%
1966: 34/6/5 on 52%
1968: 31/6/6 on 49%
1969: 38/5/7 on 49%
1970: 31/3/8 on 45%

VengefulAngel
01-10-2016, 02:32 PM
Lol at West being on this list, dude is probably the third greatest Finals performer of all time after Jordan & Shaq. They played at a faster pace then, but check out some of his Finals performances

1962: 31/5/3 on 46%
1963: 30/7/5 on 49%
1965: 34/6/3 on 42%
1966: 34/6/5 on 52%
1968: 31/6/6 on 49%
1969: 38/5/7 on 49%
1970: 31/3/8 on 45%

I was just trolling dubeta, the quality of this forum dictated the response. I had no clue you guys would take this seriously.

Spurs5Rings2014
01-10-2016, 02:33 PM
1969: 38/5/7 on 49%

:biggums:

1969 Finals

Game 1: 53 points - Win
Game 2: 41 points - Win
Game 3: Boston begins to double West, hammers L.A. when West is on the bench - Loss
Game 4: Sam Jones buzzer beater - Loss
Game 5: 39 points - Win (but pulls hamstring late game)
Game 6: 26 points - Loss (limping and injured while Russell holds Ilt to just 8 points, LeBron-esque)
Game 7: 42 points, 13 rebounds, 12 assists triple double - Loss (Lakers trailed 91-76 through 3 quarters, closed gap to 103-102 with a couple minutes remaining. Lost 108-106. Ilt sat out the final 6 minutes and West became the only player to lose in the finals and still win FMVP)

LAZERUSS
01-10-2016, 04:41 PM
:biggums:

1969 Finals

Game 1: 53 points - Win
Game 2: 41 points - Win
Game 3: Boston begins to double West, hammers L.A. when West is on the bench - Loss
Game 4: Sam Jones buzzer beater - Loss
Game 5: 39 points - Win (but pulls hamstring late game)
Game 6: 26 points - Loss (limping and injured while Russell holds Ilt to just 8 points, LeBron-esque)
Game 7: 42 points, 13 rebounds, 12 assists triple double - Loss (Lakers trailed 91-76 through 3 quarters, closed gap to 103-102 with a couple minutes remaining. Lost 108-106. Ilt sat out the final 6 minutes and West became the only player to lose in the finals and still win FMVP)

'72 Finals:

Game 1: Wilt plays relatively poorly, 12 pts, on 5-11 FG/FGA, and 19 rebs, and his man, Jerry Lucas hits shots from the 405 Freeway, en route to 26 pts on 13-21 shooting. West? 12 pts on 3-15 shooting. Lakers are blown out.

Game 2: Chamberlain shuts Lucas down, and he is never again a factor in the series. Wilt with 23 pts on 10-19 FG/FGA and 23 rebs. West? 15 pts on 6-21 shooting. Lakers win easily.

Game 3: Chamberlain with 26 pts, on 9-10 from the floor, and 20 rebs. West? 21 pts on 10-28 shooting. Lakers win easily.

Game 4: Wilt dominates the game in OT, despite 5 fouls, and blocks several shots in the process. Wilt with 12 pts, on 5-11, and 24 rebounds. West? 28 pts on 9-25 shooting. Thanks to Wilt, the Lakers win in OT.

Game 5: Chamberlain is playing with one badly sprained wrist, and the other FRACTURED! He dominates the entire game, and as footage indicates, clearly could have scored 40+ points. He winds up with 24 points, on 10-14 from the floor, blocks 8 shots, and grabs 29 rebounds. The entire Knick team gets 39 rebounds. West? 23 pts on 10-28 shooting (and Goodrich, 25 on 6-18 shooting.) The Lakers win going away, and Wilt wins the FMVP. West...shoots a combined .325 from the field in the series, and gets his first, and only, ring of his career.

BTW, and by ALL accounts, Chamberlain outplayed a PEAK Kareem in the WCF's, including badly outplaying him in the clinching game six win, and holding KAJ to a .414 FG% in the last four games of the series.

All of this from a 35 year old Wilt, and playing on a surgically repaired knee.

BTW, this is a just yet another example of Wilt's "declining play" in his post-seasons. Other than '69, he was a dominant player in the post-season the rest of his career.