Besides LeBron, what other player in history is considered the best for 2 franchises?

[Hey Yo]

LeBron with Cleveland and Miami.

Any other examples?

[fpliii]

Maybe Kareem?

[TheMarkMadsen]

besides Lebron, what other player in history left a team that won 60+ games b2b seasons because he thought it would be easier with a different team.. and then left that team after coming off 4 straight finals while playing with 2 all stars?

also has to lose 2 straight finals while the guy who guards him wins FMVP both years

[sdot_thadon]

Wilt?

[AirTupac]

besides Lebron, what other player in history left a team that won 60+ games b2b seasons because he thought it would be easier with a different team.. and then left that team after coming off 4 straight finals while playing with 2 all stars?

also has to lose 2 straight finals while the guy who guards him wins FMVP both years

RIP :applause: :applause: :applause: :lol

[Hey Yo]

Wilt?
Not sure if he's looked at as the best for GSW and def. not LA even though he won a title as a Laker.

[sdot_thadon]

besides Lebron, what other player in history left a team that won 60+ games b2b seasons because he thought it would be easier with a different team.. and then left that team after coming off 4 straight finals while playing with 2 all stars?

also has to lose 2 straight finals while the guy who guards him wins FMVP both years
Somebody mad

[sdot_thadon]

Not sure if he's looked at as the best for GSW and def. not LA even though he won a title as a Laker.
I was thinking Philly and gs maybe.

[Hey Yo]

Maybe Kareem?
May be as close as it gets

[Showtime2001]

besides Lebron, what other player in history left a team that won 60+ games b2b seasons because he thought it would be easier with a different team.. and then left that team after coming off 4 straight finals while playing with 2 all stars?

also has to lose 2 straight finals while the guy who guards him wins FMVP both years
http://i.imgur.com/dhMeAzK.gif

[fpliii]

May be as close as it gets
Dr. J would be close if you count ABA years as part of a current team's history. Led the Nets to two titles, the played with Philly for over a decade, though there have been several others Sixers legends who I'm sure will be named.

[SexSymbol]

Wade is the best Heat's player ever.

[FreezingTsmoove]

LeWho?

Wade is the King of Miami

[VengefulAngel]

Chris Paul.

[Akrazotile]

Chris Paul is a good mention.

Also, Shaq. Orlando and Los Angeles.

[sdot_thadon]

Wade is the best Heat's player ever.
06 wade wasn't better than any version of lebron in miami. The only close one is 2011 maybe.

[fpliii]

Chris Paul.
Oh damn good call. He's an obvious shoe-in.

[VengefulAngel]

Chris Paul is a good mention.

Also, Shaq. Orlando and Los Angeles.

Kevin Durant if you consider Sonics and OKC.

[JT123]

Wade is the best Heat's player ever.
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mj-laughing.gif

[Bankaii]

besides Lebron, what other player in history left a team that won 60+ games b2b seasons because he thought it would be easier with a different team.. and then left that team after coming off 4 straight finals while playing with 2 all stars?

also has to lose 2 straight finals while the guy who guards him wins FMVP both years
Mark MAD son.

Chill man, you act like Lebron directly affected you by leaving.

[Gileraracer]

Not many cause not all of them are colluders

[sdot_thadon]

Chris Paul.
Yep.

[RRR3]

LeBron isn't considered the best for the Heat. He's a better player than Wade, but he only spent 4 years there and Wade has been there his entire career.

[G0ATbe]

Shaq was the best Cav ever, and Kyrie will easily take the title for best when its all said and done. Wade is the best Heat player ever and it's not close.

And to answer your question OP, Kobe.

GOAT Hornet
GOAT Laker

[dubeta]

Wade is the best Heat's player ever.

:roll: :roll:

[stalkerforlife]

besides Lebron, what other player in history left a team that won 60+ games b2b seasons because he thought it would be easier with a different team.. and then left that team after coming off 4 straight finals while playing with 2 all stars?

also has to lose 2 straight finals while the guy who guards him wins FMVP both years

Rest. In. Piss.

And Wade is the best player in Heat history.

[oarabbus]

Chris Paul is a good mention.

Also, Shaq. Orlando and Los Angeles.


Yep. Although I wouldn't fault someone for saying Kareem was the best on LA/Bucks. Depends whether you'd take KAJ or Shaq alltime.

[ISHGoat]

Durant when he leaves OKC this summer.

[Showtime2001]

Last time I checked Wade led the Heat to a title without LeBron.

How many has LeBron won without Wade again?

oh wait.

:lol

[MellowYellow]

Melo Denver and ny, throw in Syracuse for a third

[Fire Colangelo]

besides Lebron, what other player in history left a team that won 60+ games b2b seasons because he thought it would be easier with a different team.. and then left that team after coming off 4 straight finals while playing with 2 all stars?

also has to lose 2 straight finals while the guy who guards him wins FMVP both years

I know it wasn't your intention, but you're making LeBron sound pretty "alpha"lol. Something I would do in a video game actually.

Take a team to back to back 60+ wins, leaves them with shit as they struggle to reach 20 wins. While winning titles on his new team.

Takes his team to 4x finals and then leaves them to make a 5th straight finals appearance with his new team as his old team struggles to make the playoffs.

:applause: :applause:

As for the OP:

Wade is the GOAT Heat player.

[Hey Yo]

Chris Paul.
:applause:

that's definitely 2 now.


pretty crazy considering Paul didn't get to LAC until the 2012 season and how long they've been an NBA franchise.

[RRR3]

Melo Denver and ny, throw in Syracuse for a third
Ever heard of Alex English?


For NY, are you kidding? Patrick Ewing, Walt Frazier, Willis Reed are greater Knicks than Melo easily

[VengefulAngel]

Ever heard of Alex English?


For NY, are you kidding? Patrick Ewing, Walt Frazier, Willis Reed are greater Knicks than Melo easily

Some people are fking clueless.

[MellowYellow]

Ever heard of Alex English?


For NY, are you kidding? Patrick Ewing, Walt Frazier, Willis Reed are greater Knicks than Melo easily
I know all about those dudes and melo better than all of them

[Smoke117]

Melo Denver and ny, throw in Syracuse for a third

Carmelo over Ewing? Good one. It's not even close either.

[VengefulAngel]

I know all about those dudes and melo better than all of them

Dude please, you're ruining any credibility you have by being incredibly naive.

[ace23]

Melo Denver and ny, throw in Syracuse for a third
:oldlol:

[MellowYellow]

Dude please, you're ruining any credibility you have by being incredibly naive.
Don't get me wrong I know he might not be there yet but for sure he will be when all is said and done

[VengefulAngel]

:applause:

that's definitely 2 now.


pretty crazy considering Paul didn't get to LAC until the 2012 season and how long they've been an NBA franchise.

LAC has always been a truly terrible franchise lol.

[MellowYellow]

Carmelo over Ewing? Good one. It's not even close either.
Ewing was good but not better than melo

[Smoke117]

Ewing was good but better than melo

Yeah...I know he was. Seriously though, anyone who could possibly think Marshmelo is better/greater than Ewing doesn't know anything about basketball. Anyone who thinks that when it pertains just to Knicks basketball...really doesn't know a damn thing.

[feyki]

Wade is best player of Heat Franchise History .

[feyki]

I know all about those dudes and melo better than all of them


:lol :lol :lol

[MellowYellow]

Wade is best player of Heat Franchise History .
Alonzo

[WayOfWade]

Alonzo
:facepalm
What argument does Alonzo have over Wade?

[sdot_thadon]

I dunno man, lebron wins 2 mvps/2 fmvps as a heat. Set plenty of team records there as well. Led 4 straight finals appearances. All while being the best player the franchise has ever had. Wade will be most beloved forever, but lebron is the best player that franchise has ever seen.

[Stout]

Chris Paul.
This came to my mind too.

Probably the fastest way of doing this is to list the best player in history for every franchise.

[AnaheimLakers24]

All reat heat fans consider wade better.
Kyrie is the best cavs ever

[GrapeApe]

I dunno man, lebron wins 2 mvps/2 fmvps as a heat. Set plenty of team records there as well. Led 4 straight finals appearances. All while being the best player the franchise has ever had. Wade will be most beloved forever, but Lebron is the best player that franchise has ever seen.

In terms of all-time rankings, Lebron will probably go down as the greatest player to wear a Heat jersey. However, that's different than being the greatest player in FRANCHISE history, which is clearly Wade.

Wade has played 13(+) seasons with the Heat and dominates their all-time rankings. He leads the franchise in games played, minutes played, playoff games played, playoff minutes played, playoff series won, regular season and playoff total points, FG's, FGA's, FT's, FTA's, assists, steals, USG%, and win shares. He's also 4th in rebounds and 2nd in blocks. He's tied with Haslem for most championships with 3. Wade was drafted by the Heat, has played every minute of his career with the Heat, and brought the franchise their first championship.

[SouBeachTalents]

Alonzo

You're literally too stupid to insult

[coin24]

Wade is the heats best player ever

Mark price is probably the cavs best ever

[Prime_Shaq]

Shaq deserves a mention, but he's not a shoe-in. Oh yeah, Wade is the greatest Heat of all-time.

[leMVP]

Chris Paul is a good mention.

Also, Shaq. Orlando and Los Angeles.

Magic's Howard >>>>>>>

[BigMacAttack]

Most superstars don't bail on their hometown team in their prime to make winning a ring easier.

[JT123]

Most superstars don't bail on their hometown team in their prime to make winning a ring easier.
Cleveland isn't Lebron's hometown, idiot.

[BigMacAttack]

Cleveland isn't Lebron's hometown, idiot.


Well Lebron is the one who told the world he was going home, idiot.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/11/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers

Direct quote from the choker himself: "I’m ready to accept the challenge. I’m coming home."

[JT123]

Well Lebron is the one who told the world he was going home, idiot.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/11/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers
Home as in the place he started his career, as well as being much closer to his real hometown of Akron. :hammerhead:
Lebron is not from Cleveland and never owed that city anything.

[BigMacAttack]

Home as in the place he started his career, as well as being much closer to his real hometown of Akron. :hammerhead:
Lebron is not from Cleveland and never owed that city anything.

That is good because it looks like he will never be able to give them anything.

[Fallen Angel]

Nobody, not even Lebron has been the best player for two franchises.

I'll take Blake Griffin's career in Los Angeles slightly over Chris Paul. There's no true indication that Chris Paul has been better than Blake Griffin during their tenure in LA.

Elton Brand is still one of the greatest Clippers in the franchise's history based off his raw career numbers as apart of the team, Blake is really close to surpassing him.

[BigMacAttack]

Nobody, not even Lebron has been the best player for two franchises.

I'll take Blake Griffin's career in Los Angeles slightly over Chris Paul. There's no true indication that Chris Paul has been better than Blake Griffin during their tenure in LA.

Elton Brand is still one of the greatest Clippers in the franchise's history based off his raw career numbers as apart of the team, Blake is really close to surpassing him.

Lebron is pretty close to it though. At worst he is Miami's number 2.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron is pretty close to it though. At worst he is Miami's number 2.

Lol, it'd obviously be LeBron/Wade at 1 & 2, regardless of who you'd put as #1

[RRR3]

Lol, it'd obviously be LeBron/Wade at 1 & 2, regardless of who you'd put as #1
What about Mourning?

[Prime_Shaq]

What about Mourning?
This, I think Alonzo has a pretty good case for #2 on the Heat

[SouBeachTalents]

What about Mourning?

Mourning had like 5 elite seasons and won 3 playoff series during that span. It'd be hard to compare that to what LeBron accomplished

[Fire Colangelo]

This, I think Alonzo has a pretty good case for #2 on the Heat

Zo's contributions have huge historical significance due to the fact that he's the one that put Miami on the map in those late 90s early 00s days. But what he accomplished does not compare to what LeBron brought to the Heat in his 4 years tenture.

1) Wade
2) Lebron
3) Mourning
4) Haslem

[bluechox2]

when you add ring chasing in the equation, doesnt look so pretty

[BigMacAttack]

Lol, it'd obviously be LeBron/Wade at 1 & 2, regardless of who you'd put as #1

That's what I just said...

[GrapeApe]

Zo's contributions have huge historical significance due to the fact that he's the one that put Miami on the map in those late 90s early 00s days. But what he accomplished does not compare to what LeBron brought to the Heat in his 4 years tenture.

1) Wade
2) Lebron
3) Mourning
4) Haslem

Agreed, and Zo is right next to Wade as my favorite Heat player ever. He meant a lot to the franchise (and still does) but I think Lebron is solidly the 2nd greatest Heat player. I also agree with Haslem at 4, just ahead of Hardaway.

Shaq is a tough one for me to rank. He has a case for top 5, as he was the catalyst for the first championship. However, he only had 2 good seasons in Miami.

[Prime_Shaq]

Zo's contributions have huge historical significance due to the fact that he's the one that put Miami on the map in those late 90s early 00s days. But what he accomplished does not compare to what LeBron brought to the Heat in his 4 years tenture.

1) Wade
2) Lebron
3) Mourning
4) Haslem
While I do not agree, I definitely see your point.

[Straight_Ballin]

LeBron with Cleveland and Miami.

Any other examples?

You think this is something to be proud of?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

Run away from Cleveland to go to Miami and then when Cleveland get's the first pick of the draft 3 years in a row, run back to Cleveland!

Colluding 2/6 beta.

Start being a fan of players that don't have to collude just to win only 2 rings.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[sportjames23]

besides Lebron, what other player in history left a team that won 60+ games b2b seasons because he thought it would be easier with a different team.. and then left that team after coming off 4 straight finals while playing with 2 all stars?

also has to lose 2 straight finals while the guy who guards him wins FMVP both years


OP, we hardly knew ye. RIP :lol

[kennethgriffin]

wade is the heats best all time player




Wade:



Championships
(Minimum 1 playoff game)
2006 Miami Heat (NBA)
2012 Miami Heat (NBA)
2013 Miami Heat (NBA)

3 for 5 in nba finals

2008-09 Scoring Champion

2003-04 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (3rd)

2005-06 NBA Finals MVP
2009-10 NBA All-Star Game MVP

All-Star Games
2005 NBA
2006 NBA
2007 NBA
2008 NBA
2009 NBA
2010 NBA
2011 NBA
2012 NBA
2013 NBA
2014 NBA
2015 NBA


19,442 points
4,754 assists
3,960 rebounds
1,370 steals
732 blocks

Miami Heat all-time leading scorer




Lebron:


Championships
(Minimum 1 playoff game)
2012 Miami Heat (NBA)
2013 Miami Heat (NBA)

2 for 4 in nba finals

2010-11 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2011-12 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2012-13 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2013-14 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2013-14 NBA All-NBA (1st)

2011-12 NBA Finals MVP
2011-12 NBA MVP
2012-13 NBA Finals MVP
2012-13 NBA MVP

All-Star Games
2011 NBA
2012 NBA
2013 NBA
2014 NBA


7,919 points
1,980 assists
2,225 rebounds
489 steals
193 blocks

[G-Funk]

Shaquille, Wilt, Kareem, Barkley, Garnett, T-Mac, Durant, Carmelo, Carter, Williams, Maurbery, Elton, Paul.