Napoleon Bonaparte's view on the Qur'an

[brownmamba00]

"In 'Bonaparte Et L'Islam', by Christian Cherfils, published in 1914, Napoleon Bonaparte is officially recorded as having made the following declaration:


'I hope that the time is not far off, when I will be able to unite all the wise and educated men from all countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of the Qur'an, which alone are true and alone can lead men to happiness...' (Correspondence de Napoleon Ist, N3148 (Uti sup.).

He was an ardent opponent of interest and compound interest. When shown a table of compound interest, he reflected and said:


"It is astonishing that this monster interest has not devoured the whole of humanity. It would have done so long ago, had not revolution and bankruptcy acted as counter poison." (Quoted in, Lincoln, Money martyred)

jews hold this L

[Nick Young]

Interest is awesome. It gives people incentives to pay back loans faster, or to save their money up. If you gentiles don't like interest on loans, stop borrowing money you can't pay back in time!


Hold this L Napoleon and Islamites

[brownmamba00]

Interest is awesome. It gives people incentives to pay back loans faster, or to save their money up. If you gentiles don't like interest on loans, stop borrowing money you can't pay back in time!


Hold this L Napoleon and Islamites
"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain."

the banks should serve the people, not the other way around.

[9erempiree]

"In 'Bonaparte Et L'Islam', by Christian Cherfils, published in 1914, Napoleon Bonaparte is officially recorded as having made the following declaration:


'I hope that the time is not far off, when I will be able to unite all the wise and educated men from all countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of the Qur'an, which alone are true and alone can lead men to happiness...' (Correspondence de Napoleon Ist, N3148 (Uti sup.).

He was an ardent opponent of interest and compound interest. When shown a table of compound interest, he reflected and said:


"It is astonishing that this monster interest has not devoured the whole of humanity. It would have done so long ago, had not revolution and bankruptcy acted as counter poison." (Quoted in, Lincoln, Money martyred)

jews hold this L

You're not helping bro but only instigating the matter.

Look at the social climate of the world right now and with respect to the German ISH members, now is not a time to try and brag about what Napoleon has to say about Islam.

Show some class unless you are just as barbaric as the immigrants in Germany.

[Segatti]

[Overdrive]

"In 'Bonaparte Et L'Islam', by Christian Cherfils, published in 1914, Napoleon Bonaparte is officially recorded as having made the following declaration:


'I hope that the time is not far off, when I will be able to unite all the wise and educated men from all countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of the Qur'an, which alone are true and alone can lead men to happiness...' (Correspondence de Napoleon Ist, N3148 (Uti sup.).

He was an ardent opponent of interest and compound interest. When shown a table of compound interest, he reflected and said:


"It is astonishing that this monster interest has not devoured the whole of humanity. It would have done so long ago, had not revolution and bankruptcy acted as counter poison." (Quoted in, Lincoln, Money martyred)

jews hold this L

Cool, so the biggest european warmonger before Hitler liked the book of another warmonger. quel surprise!

[fiddy]

France is a gay cuck nation, so is Napoleon, DGAF about his opinion

[DonDadda59]

Interest is awesome. It gives people incentives to pay back loans faster, or to save their money up. If you gentiles don't like interest on loans, stop borrowing money you can't pay back in time!


Hold this L Napoleon and Islamites

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[Dresta]

I've been reading Hume's History of England lately, and it is amazing how the Jews, despite being constantly persecuted, had managed always to acquire significant wealth; there they were being persecuted all of England, but at the same time, King John was himself penurious, and begging them for money.

Interesting side-story: there was a Jew who refused to pay John the required amount, and so John imprisoned him and levied a penalty that he'd have a tooth extracted each day until he paid the duty - he lost seven teeth before giving in :lol

[32jazz]

I've been reading Hume's History of England lately, and it is amazing how the Jews, despite being constantly persecuted, had managed always to acquire significant wealth; there they were being persecuted all of England, but at the same time, King John was himself penurious, and begging them for money.



Thanks to Christian backwardness during the Middle Ages.

Jews were persecuted & barred from many professions but one - money lending.

Usury was not considered a Christian endeavor & the Christian Church banned the charging of interest by Christians to other Christians.

[DonDadda59]

Thanks to Christian backwardness during the Middle Ages.

Jews were persecuted & barred from many professions but one - money lending.

Usury was not considered a Christian endeavor & the Christian Church banned the charging of interest by Christians to other Christians.

This.

Christians didn't leave Jews many options but to become money lenders/bankers and then they turn around and accuse them of being greedy, covetous, etc. Hence the caricature of Shylock and others.

Is that what the chosen people refer to as a Golem? :confusedshrug:

[Dresta]

Thanks to Christian backwardness during the Middle Ages.

Jews were persecuted & barred from many professions but one - money lending.

Usury was not considered a Christian endeavor & the Christian Church banned the charging of interest by Christians to other Christians.God you're dim, and boring too. Every opinion you have on here is recycled textbook garbage; the sort of thing i'd expect to hear out of the mouth of some 20 year old University automaton. Christian backwardness? I don't think so. Before Christianity came to Britain there were literally no records, little culture, no civilisation or keeping of historical record - Britain was an Island of savages before it became Christian (Julius Caesar was so disdainful of the place he thought it not even worth conquering once he had laid eyes on it). I think you'll find the persecution of people who are different, particularly if they are also successful, is a human norm, one which has persisted in all times and all places. The Athenians would happily dominate, massacre and enslave their Greek cousins over some trivial power dispute, as would Rome (and these were the more civilised peoples of the world).

Jews have been persecuted everywhere, as have been all small minorities that out-achieve the locals - that is human nature; it has little to do with Christianity, which more than anything else, brought light into the Middle Ages, and saved Europe from darkness after the collapse of Rome.

If you had anything but the most superficial understanding of history then you would know at least this. If Christianity was so "backwards" then why were the 10s of thousands of years of human existence before Christianity so bleak, and why did this forward-looking modern civilisation you now cherish not start to emerge until after Christianity had laid deep roots in Europe, and its doctrines had spread a distaste for war that did not exist in Europe up to that point?

Romans - warrior people. Vikings - warrior people. Germanic Tribes - Warrior people. Ancient Greeks? You guessed it...

Being virtuous in these places was almost indivisible from being a great warrior or military commander.

But this all changed how, by magic amirite? The inevitable wheels of "progress"? - or is it like Marx: "improvements in the material productive processes" or whatever it was?

[Akrazotile]

OP hoping nobody knows the part of history where Napoleon launched a Campaign in the Orient (Egypt and Syria) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_campaign_in_Egypt_and_Syria) which was the pretext for all of his phony pro-Islam sentiment to the locals.


But great thread, OP. Lots of substance and context. A whole new world of perspective has been opened from Napoleon's pretend admiration for Islam :oldlol: :applause:

[Akrazotile]

This.

Christians didn't leave Jews many options but to become money lenders/bankers and then they turn around and accuse them of being greedy, covetous, etc. Hence the caricature of Shylock and others.

Is that what the chosen people refer to as a Golem? :confusedshrug:


Jews were also used heavily as tax collectors. It's called Tax Farming. Here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnkP5IIclpY) is a short lecture on the history.

One of the main reasons for this was to specifically divert the attention of the peasants away from the Monarch, and onto the outsiders who did the actual physical collecting. Jews and peasants were unlikely to collude together against the king because they had no familiarity with each other. Jews were brought in specifically as foreigners to stoke the ire of the peasants and keep their attention on the outside element, rather than the internal processes of the state.


Sound familiar?

[Clifton]

God you're dim, and boring too. Every opinion you have on here is recycled textbook garbage; the sort of thing i'd expect to hear out of the mouth of some 20 year old University automaton. Christian backwardness? I don't think so. Before Christianity came to Britain there were literally no records, little culture, no civilisation or keeping of historical record - Britain was an Island of savages before it became Christian (Julius Caesar was so disdainful of the place he thought it not even worth conquering once he had laid eyes on it). I think you'll find the persecution of people who are different, particularly if they are also successful, is a human norm, one which has persisted in all times and all places. The Athenians would happily dominate, massacre and enslave their Greek cousins over some trivial power dispute, as would Rome (and these were the more civilised peoples of the world).

Jews have been persecuted everywhere, as have been all small minorities that out-achieve the locals - that is human nature; it has little to do with Christianity, which more than anything else, brought light into the Middle Ages, and saved Europe from darkness after the collapse of Rome.

If you had anything but the most superficial understanding of history then you would know at least this. If Christianity was so "backwards" then why were the 10s of thousands of years of human existence before Christianity so bleak, and why did this forward-looking modern civilisation you now cherish not start to emerge until after Christianity had laid deep roots in Europe, and its doctrines had spread a distaste for war that did not exist in Europe up to that point?

Romans - warrior people. Vikings - warrior people. Germanic Tribes - Warrior people. Ancient Greeks? You guessed it...

Being virtuous in these places was almost indivisible from being a great warrior or military commander.

But this all changed how, by magic amirite? The inevitable wheels of "progress"? - or is it like Marx: "improvements in the material productive processes" or whatever it was?
Nobody's going to read this or reply to it, dude. I've been doing this for years. If it's longer than 4 lines, forget it.

Good post.

[Overdrive]

If you had anything but the most superficial understanding of history then you would know at least this. If Christianity was so "backwards" then why were the 10s of thousands of years of human existence before Christianity so bleak, and why did this forward-looking modern civilisation you now cherish not start to emerge until after Christianity had laid deep roots in Europe, and its doctrines had spread a distaste for war that did not exist in Europe up to that point?

Points aren't that bad, but one remark. How come those doctrines needed 1500 years to get us to a more or less war free Europe?

Christianity is a big part of Europe's evolution, but we simply can't say what would've happened had we been let's say shintoists. Maybe we would've have still been in the middle ages like Japan by 1800, maybe we would've still rediscovered the ancient greek/roman philosophies and inventions that fueled progress in the 16th to 18th century. No easy way to say.

Maybe if some bee shit on a different tree Galileo or Newton would've never been born.

[Dresta]

Points aren't that bad, but one remark. How come those doctrines needed 1500 years to get us to a more or less war free Europe?

Christianity is a big part of Europe's evolution, but we simply can't say what would've happened had we been let's say shintoists. Maybe we would've have still been in the middle ages like Japan by 1800, maybe we would've still rediscovered the ancient greek/roman philosophies and inventions that fueled progress in the 16th to 18th century. No easy way to say.

Maybe if some bee shit on a different tree Galileo or Newton would've never been born.
That is always the problem with history: you're always dealing with counterfactuals, and so none of these things are provable. But, what is clear is that Christianity is a salient part of our patrimony (as are certain elements of the Hebraic, Roman and Greek worlds), and that much of our morality, culture, music, and many other things, are derived largely from this particular faith. We may have developed to be even more advanced (in certain respects) with some other faith in its place (really: who knows?), but what we do have, we owe to our heritage, and Christianity is a very large part of that. Particularly, i don't think you could have had modern democracy or have abolished slavery without Christianity - it was Christian dogmas that rendered the former the most just form of governance, and the latter an affront to God (with all men being made equal in his image, and all). Human beings have a natural tendency towards caste distinctions, and it is this in particularly that Christianity has removed. Hence why many non-Christian places tended to view their rulers as a divinity (before the Jews, all the surrounding religions were like this)

The question regarding 1500 years could be explained epigenetically, i suppose. Morality is instinctive, but it is also cultivated, and it can take a long time to temper primal urges. And it's not like things weren't changing: even in the 13th century, Europe had improved massively from the 9th.

Something like this perhaps:

http://time.com/91081/what-science-says-about-race-and-genetics/


Clark has documented four behaviors that steadily changed in the English population between 1200 and 1800, as well as a highly plausible mechanism of change. The four behaviors are those of interpersonal violence, literacy, the propensity to save, and the propensity to work.

He doesn't talk about Christianity, but those are all Christian virtues, and one would think their continual inculcation had an effect. The establishment of the Universities was done by the 'backwards' Churchmen and Christian philosophers, who established the first means for learning and knowledge to transcend national barriers (and a shared language in latin also). Degrees from these institutions were recognised throughout Christendom, and there's no doubt this reduced the warring between nations, and helped to build a kind of European community.

The older i get, the more ancient museums and different parts of the world i visit, the more sure i am that without the foundation of religion (or even of the cult forms of worship that are its initial basis), there would be nothing. Even going back to the Ancient Babylonians and Assyrians it is evident that all their creations were born of religious superstition, which seemed to be at the heart of all higher endeavour. We could have gone nowhere without it, and no civilisation ever has.

If religious belief is unreasonable, then reason itself was a product of unreason, or born of a lie (as Nietzsche argued, quite persuasively too).

[NumberSix]

That is always the problem with history: you're always dealing with counterfactuals, and so none of these things are provable. But, what is clear is that Christianity is a salient part of our patrimony (as are certain elements of the Hebraic, Roman and Greek worlds), and that much of our morality, culture, music, and many other things, are derived largely from this particular faith. We may have developed to be even more advanced (in certain respects) with some other faith in its place (really: who knows?), but what we do have, we owe to our heritage, and Christianity is a very large part of that. Particularly, i don't think you could have had modern democracy or have abolished slavery without Christianity - it was Christian dogmas that rendered the former the most just form of governance, and the latter an affront to God (with all men being made equal in his image, and all). Human beings have a natural tendency towards caste distinctions, and it is this in particularly that Christianity has removed. Hence why many non-Christian places tended to view their rulers as a divinity (before the Jews, all the surrounding religions were like this)

The question regarding 1500 years could be explained epigenetically, i suppose. Morality is instinctive, but it is also cultivated, and it can take a long time to temper primal urges. And it's not like things weren't changing: even in the 13th century, Europe had improved massively from the 9th.

Something like this perhaps:

http://time.com/91081/what-science-says-about-race-and-genetics/



He doesn't talk about Christianity, but those are all Christian virtues, and one would think their continual inculcation had an effect. The establishment of the Universities was done by the 'backwards' Churchmen and Christian philosophers, who established the first means for learning and knowledge to transcend national barriers (and a shared language in latin also). Degrees from these institutions were recognised throughout Christendom, and there's no doubt this reduced the warring between nations, and helped to build a kind of European community.

The older i get, the more ancient museums and different parts of the world i visit, the more sure i am that without the foundation of religion (or even of the cult forms of worship that are its initial basis), there would be nothing. Even going back to the Ancient Babylonians and Assyrians it is evident that all their creations were born of religious superstition, which seemed to be at the heart of all higher endeavour. We could have gone nowhere without it, and no civilisation ever has.

If religious belief is unreasonable, then reason itself was a product of unreason, or born of a lie (as Nietzsche argued, quite persuasively too).
Well, religion clearly has been a key factor is unifying a people. It's right up there with language.

[Nick Young]

Napoleon is the cuck of all cucks.

The one cuck to rule them all.

His wife Josephine would cheat on him in public with rich people and celebrities across Europe.

All of Europe knew he was a cuck.

You seriously think Napoleon championing your cause is a good thing?

So the biggest cuck in European history likes Islam-why is that something to brag about?

[Nick Young]

I've been reading Hume's History of England lately, and it is amazing how the Jews, despite being constantly persecuted, had managed always to acquire significant wealth; there they were being persecuted all of England, but at the same time, King John was himself penurious, and begging them for money.

Interesting side-story: there was a Jew who refused to pay John the required amount, and so John imprisoned him and levied a penalty that he'd have a tooth extracted each day until he paid the duty - he lost seven teeth before giving in :lol
we get rich, and survive holocausts and persecution of every kind.

#CHOSENPEOPLE

[NumberSix]

we get rich, and survive holocausts and persecution of every kind.

#CHOSENPEOPLE
But only when you live in Christian civilization.

There's no way around it. These are the people that created the civilization where people can be successful. That doesn't exist in Muslim civilization where you only get rich if you happen to conquer a piece of land that westerners pay to drill oil out of. It doesn't exist in atheist/communist societies. I know the Christianity haters refuse to believe it, but Christianity played an indispensable role in creating this environment of freedom, prosperity and human rights.