Source: Philly gunman says he shot cop in name of Islam

[UK2K]

A gunman who ambushed a Philadelphia police officer as he sat in his marked cruiser told investigators he did it in the name of Islam, a law enforcement source told CBS News Friday.

CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton reports that the source said the suspect, dressed as a Muslim, waved the cruiser down on a street Thursday night. When the cruiser pulled over, the suspect allegedly opened fire.

Police Commissioner Richard Ross said the suspect fired at least 13 shots at Officer Jessie Hartnett and his car. He said the officer returned fire, hitting his attacker at least three times. Hartnett was in stable condition.

"This is absolutely one of the scariest things I've ever seen," Ross said at a news conference early Friday. "This guy tried to execute the police officer. The police officer had no idea he was coming."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/philadelphia-shooting-suspect-ambush-police-officer-islam/

Is this guy just one in a billion too?

[DonDadda59]

It's funny- this morning on the news they treated this as a throwaway story. They played the 911 recording of the cop reporting he had been shot, the newscasters did their usual 'that's awful' spiel, then they immediately moved on to another story.

It was only when the word 'ISIS' entered the fray that it became a huge Breaking News story... Only for it to be bumped off the headline by El Chapo.

I feel like I just got some advanced media studies course played out in front of me the past few hours. :lol

[The Real JW]

"dressed as a Muslim"?

[9erempiree]

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/2CAD/production/_87573411_2bdf377a-0bb3-4481-8258-f33f1ef51749.jpg

Muslim attire
http://theislamicnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Islamic-Dress-code-for-men.jpg

Dat beard
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYN87oQWkAAmQSy.jpg

[imdaman99]

Why leave out the most important part of the story?

A man using a gun stolen from police said he was acting in the name of Islam when he ambushed an officer sitting in his marked cruiser at an intersection, firing shots at point-blank range, authorities said Friday. Both the officer and suspect were injured during the barrage of gunfire.

Sounds like an inept cop if I ever saw one. Mr Edward Archer sounds like a Muslim name as well. How many Edwards do you see pledging allegiance to Islam much less IS? I don't know. All I know is that cops should be more equipped to handle nutbags than to allow their guns to get stolen from them.

[Nick Young]

Why leave out the most important part of the story?

A man using a gun stolen from police said he was acting in the name of Islam when he ambushed an officer sitting in his marked cruiser at an intersection, firing shots at point-blank range, authorities said Friday. Both the officer and suspect were injured during the barrage of gunfire.

Sounds like an inept cop if I ever saw one. Mr Edward Archer sounds like a Muslim name as well. How many Edwards do you see pledging allegiance to Islam much less IS? I don't know. All I know is that cops should be more equipped to handle nutbags than to allow their guns to get stolen from them.
Why are you constantly making excuses and justifications for Islamic terror?


#SAVEUSNSA

[9erempiree]

Sounds like an inept cop if I ever saw one. Mr Edward Archer sounds like a Muslim name as well. How many Edwards do you see pledging allegiance to Islam much less IS? I don't know. All I know is that cops should be more equipped to handle nutbags than to allow their guns to get stolen from them.

Ladies and gentleman.....Exhibit A ^^^^

Dumb racist libtard who defends Islam.

We all know Muslim is not a race. Only a racist libtard would assume Edward Archer isn't a Muslim because his name isn't Amaloaha Rasheed Nadid.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[highwhey]

Muslim attire
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]
You sure that's muslim attire? That could be Yeezy clothing.

[UK2K]

Why leave out the most important part of the story?

A man using a gun stolen from police said he was acting in the name of Islam when he ambushed an officer sitting in his marked cruiser at an intersection, firing shots at point-blank range, authorities said Friday. Both the officer and suspect were injured during the barrage of gunfire.

Sounds like an inept cop if I ever saw one. Mr Edward Archer sounds like a Muslim name as well. How many Edwards do you see pledging allegiance to Islam much less IS? I don't know. All I know is that cops should be more equipped to handle nutbags than to allow their guns to get stolen from them.

Um... A cop got ambushed when he tried to help someone. That's the important part of the story.


waved the cruiser down on a street Thursday night. When the cruiser pulled over, the suspect allegedly opened fire.

The cop stopped to provide assistance, and was ambushed. That's what important. **** your Muslim sympathy.

[imdaman99]

**** your Muslim sympathy.
:roll: You're not even trying to hide it anymore :biggums:

You hate Muslims? Get the word out and then wave your guns if it makes you feel like a badass. I have Muslim sympathy, I have no sympathy for ISIS or any other sort of terrorism from any other group or religion. I was just stating the obvious, a cop got his gun stolen. I don't care what happens, unless there's a hostage situation or anything that requires he give up his gun, he should not be able to get his gun taken from him. I'm sorry you feel so strong for cops getting robbed for their guns. You have a need to defend them.

In your eyes, there are 1.6 billion terrorists on the planet. However, I am not like that. I don't even think every cop is inept. Just a very small amount of them. I still put my trust in them. I am not afraid to turn my back on them like you are with Muslims.

[Nick Young]

:roll: You're not even trying to hide it anymore :biggums:

You hate Muslims? Get the word out and then wave your guns if it makes you feel like a badass. I have Muslim sympathy, I have no sympathy for ISIS or any other sort of terrorism from any other group or religion. I was just stating the obvious, a cop got his gun stolen. I don't care what happens, unless there's a hostage situation or anything that requires he give up his gun, he should not be able to get his gun taken from him. I'm sorry you feel so strong for cops getting robbed for their guns. You have a need to defend them.

In your eyes, there are 1.6 billion terrorists on the planet. However, I am not like that. I don't even think every cop is inept. Just a very small amount of them. I still put my trust in them. I am not afraid to turn my back on them like you are with Muslims.
There he goes again, making excuses for Islamic terrorists and justifying their murder. Blame the victim. It's the cops fault that a crazy Muslim stole his gun and murdered him in the name of Allah! According to imdaman99, the cop had it coming.

[oh the horror]

So basically a lone nut job has an excuse to be crazy.


The problem with some of you is that you're just not separating one incident from another.


You really believe this fella would be "fine" and just living his life without Islam and or Muslims?


The Son of Sam said he got his orders to kill from his dog. Shall we condem and ban dogs from America?



I'm not saying fundamentally there isn't an issue globally with terrorism but you really need to pick and choose your stories. This guy is mentally ill, like a columbine shooter, or the other copycat mass killers out there. Some people just need an excuse to take up arms and lash out at the world.



The linear thinking on this board is offensive to my head. So much is ignorance and blanketed racism and these fools believe they're taking up some patriotic cause. How long before YOU become the f*cking nut job?

[oh the horror]

Also another thing when dealing with some of you ignorant lunatics here is that when asked to at least think rationally they lash out assuming that everyone is justifying terrorism and we are sympathizing with killing in the name
Of Islam.




That's the stupidest reaching I've ever seen. One is not related to the other. Talk about "extremist" thinking. Why does it even have to be explained that NO ONE is justifying acts of violence? What are we, ten years old?



Differentiate situations, learn what actual terrorists are from your everyday weirdo that pledges himself to Cthulhu or Islam or WHATEVER and try to THINK a bit

[DonDadda59]

Wait... So the weapon that was used was a stolen police firearm? Kind of ironic. And worrying. They don't teach proper, safe storage of officially issued weapons? :confusedshrug:

[UK2K]

:roll: You're not even trying to hide it anymore :biggums:

You hate Muslims? Get the word out and then wave your guns if it makes you feel like a badass. I have Muslim sympathy, I have no sympathy for ISIS or any other sort of terrorism from any other group or religion. I was just stating the obvious, a cop got his gun stolen. I don't care what happens, unless there's a hostage situation or anything that requires he give up his gun, he should not be able to get his gun taken from him. I'm sorry you feel so strong for cops getting robbed for their guns. You have a need to defend them.

In your eyes, there are 1.6 billion terrorists on the planet. However, I am not like that. I don't even think every cop is inept. Just a very small amount of them. I still put my trust in them. I am not afraid to turn my back on them like you are with Muslims.

Do I hate Muslims?

Damn, all those Afghans I worked with, and escorted, and fought alongside, had they known I hated them...

Had I known I hated them....

Thanks for clearing it up for me.

But since you're so obsessed with defending this guy...


The 9mm Glock 17 had been stolen from a police officer's home in 2013, but it's not clear how it ended up in Archer's hand. That officer had been disciplined, Ross said.


A cop (not this cop) got his gun stolen from his house, almost three years ago. And you believe this is the most important part of the story.

That's telling. It really is.

[UK2K]

Also another thing when dealing with some of you ignorant lunatics here is that when asked to at least think rationally they lash out assuming that everyone is justifying terrorism and we are sympathizing with killing in the name
Of Islam.




That's the stupidest reaching I've ever seen. One is not related to the other. Talk about "extremist" thinking. Why does it even have to be explained that NO ONE is justifying acts of violence? What are we, ten years old?



Differentiate situations, learn what actual terrorists are from your everyday weirdo that pledges himself to Cthulhu or Islam or WHATEVER and try to THINK a bit

Just going by what this guy says...


WEST PHILADELPHIA (WPVI) -- Officials say the suspect in custody for the shooting that seriously injured a Philadelphia police officer has confessed to the crime, saying he did it 'in the name of Islam.'

Archer allegedly told authorities he targeted an officer because police defend laws that are contrary to the Quran.

Archer had pledged his allegiance to ISIS, officials say. Ross called the shooting "an attempted assassination of a police officer."

Here's the kicker...


because police defend laws that are contrary to the Quran.

True or false? Anyone? I don't pretend to know the Quran, so I don't know for sure, so someone help a brother out.

[DonDadda59]

A cop (not this cop) got his gun stolen from his house, almost three years ago. And you believe this is the most important part of the story.

That's telling. It really is.

Honestly, all hysteria aside it should be. If this police weapon was on the streets, in the hands of an obviously violent criminal(s) for 3 years... Who knows how many crimes (possibly murders) it was used to commit.

I'm sure it wasn't just sitting in this guy's sock drawer all that time.

[UK2K]

Honestly, all hysteria aside it should be. If this police weapon was on the streets, in the hands of an obviously violent criminal(s) for 3 years... Who knows how many crimes (possibly murders) it was used to commit.

I'm sure it wasn't just sitting in this guy's sock drawer all that time.

And the officer (who owned the weapon) was reprimanded. Had he not reported it stolen (I am assuming he did), I would even go so far as to push to press charges against him for negligent homicide. What more do you want? It was stolen from his house, its not like it had a homing beacon on it or a number he could call that could track it down. What else would you have wanted him to do? You think police officers live in impenetrable houses? They probably make less than your average Joe. I didn't even read if it was an issued weapon, it could have just been a personal weapon he kept at home. And it was stolen. And he reported it stolen.

But what does that have to do with the fact that a guy, in Muslim garb, flagged down an officer, and then tried to kill him, in the name of Islam?

[DonDadda59]

And the officer (who owned the weapon) was reprimanded. Had he not reported it stolen (I am assuming he did), I would even go so far as to push to press charges against him for negligent homicide. What more do you want? It was stolen from his house, its not like it had a homing beacon on it or a number he could call that could track it down. What else would you have wanted him to do? You think police officers live in impenetrable houses? They probably make less than your average Joe. I didn't even read if it was an issued weapon, it could have just been a personal weapon he kept at home. And it was stolen. And he reported it stolen.

Was the weapon in some sort of heavy duty locked safe at least? :confusedshrug:


But what does that have to do with the fact that a guy, in Muslim garb, flagged down an officer, and then tried to kill him, in the name of Islam?

The fact that he used a police-issued firearm obviously. :biggums:

[imdaman99]

Honestly, all hysteria aside it should be. If this police weapon was on the streets, in the hands of an obviously violent criminal(s) for 3 years... Who knows how many crimes (possibly murders) it was used to commit.

I'm sure it wasn't just sitting in this guy's sock drawer all that time.
It doesn't matter what he did with the gun before he 'converted' to Islam. It's only a big deal now that he put on 'Muslim clothes'.

[UK2K]

Was the weapon in some sort of heavy duty locked safe at least? :confusedshrug:

I don't know. It was three years ago. I don't keep my guns in a heavy duty locked safe. I didn't know I, or an officer, are required to by law? That wouldn't do me much good if someone kicked in my front door.




The fact that he used a police-issued firearm obviously. :biggums:

Was it issued? I didn't read that it was. Even if, do they fire special bullets? If my Glock became a police-issued Glock, what changes?

[UK2K]

It doesn't matter what he did with the gun before he 'converted' to Islam. It's only a big deal now that he put on 'Muslim clothes'.

You don't care about crime? I do. If it was used in other incidents, ballistics will be able to tell. We'll know soon enough.

[pauk]

"dressed as a Muslim"?

No such thing but i guess from the Americans stereotypical view its some traditional Arabic clothing or something... even then the problem there is that because its simply Arabic culture to walk around looking like that there are many Arabic christians or atheists, agnostics or secular to who can run around looking "dressed as a muslim"...

[pauk]

You don't care about crime? I do. If it was used in other incidents, ballistics will be able to tell. We'll know soon enough.

No you dont, well, not as much if the offendor wasnt muslim... whatever the **** that means anyways, being MUSLIM and going berserk, just shout "allah akbar" and all will be fine huh, sure will go to heaven.... if it really was like that.... some terrorist/criminal/psycho is muslim and doing things in the name of islam only for you and that terrorist/criminals/psychos mind...

[DonDadda59]

His mother confirms what rational people probably knew- he suffers from mental illness. She claims he hears voices (I'm assuming he's a paranoid schizophrenic) and that he was convinced the cops were out to get him. He also suffered some sort of traumatic brain injury.

Another one for the mental issue pile.

[Akrazotile]

No such thing but i guess from the Americans stereotypical view its some traditional Arabic clothing or something... even then the problem there is that because its simply Arabic culture to walk around looking like that there are many Arabic christians or atheists, agnostics or secular to who can run around looking "dressed as a muslim"...


Hey, if you're gonna walk around in Arab clothing, which has a high correlation with Islam, don't be SURPRISED, and don't BLAME people who stereotype you.

It's like that Chappelle bit. "Ok, lady, fine, you're not a whore. But you're wearing a whore's uniform."


Nobody has to welcome Islam in America. Nobody has to give a shit about the distinctions in Arab dress. If you wear clothes a lot of Muslims wear, be prepared to be categorized.

Nobody HAS to like everyone else, just because they exist. That's f@ggot liberal talk. If I don't like what you're about or what youre religion is about, I don't have to like you. And it doesn't make you better than me, and it doesn't make some limp wrist, self-loathing, desperate-for-recognition liberal f@ggot better either. Those muhfukkers hate your religion, they just pretend not to because you're a useful ally right now against their own traditional establishment they feel like impotent cucks in.

Now, pauk, I do like you. I think you're a good poster and a good guy. Maybe you feel the same way about me, or maybe you don't, or maybe you don't have any opinion of me at all. But, I STILL don't want Islam in America. So whatever you wanna think of me for that, it's your deal. But I don't have to want that shit here just because I know some cool dudes who consider themselves Muslim. It is what it is.

[Akrazotile]

His mother confirms what rational people probably knew- he suffers from mental illness. She claims he hears voices (I'm assuming he's a paranoid schizophrenic) and that he was convinced the cops were out to get him. He also suffered some sort of traumatic brain injury.

Another one for the mental issue pile.


I figured this was likely to be the case. This stuff simply happens from time to time, and people have done it in the name of Islam, Christianity, Judiam, etc. This guy was probably destined to do something similar whether he was Muslim or not.

That being said, there's still no reason to bring Islamic culture into America. This particular issue is immaterial. We can still do just fine without the whole Muslim religion. We'll survive, somehow.

[pauk]

True or false? Anyone? I don't pretend to know the Quran, so I don't know for sure, so someone help a brother out.

Are you seriously asking this?

Lets just say only for him & his counterparts (isis) delusioned comprehension and WILL to suit his evil deeds? Very true.... i guess, but that then is not anymore Islam and he cant be called a Muslim, he created now his own ideology....... how can you call it Islam & such a person a muslim when his actions immediately breaks the very first rule that makes you the biggest god damn KAFIR (not just non-muslim, but non ***ing human) ever? No matter how bad he (or ISIS) or Nick Young/9erempire/Patrick Chewing or perhaps you names it / wants it...

It seems like a complete mental case / criminal / psycho / terrorist / gangsta you dont have to worry more at all.... i mean you can just say "in the name of islam" or shout "allah akbar" and then afterwards do whatever **** you can imagine to human kind.... and ALL will be fine... you will be labeled muslim and will be going to heaven.... no problem! :facepalm

[DonDadda59]

I figured this was likely to be the case. This stuff simply happens from time to time, and people have done it in the name of Islam, Christianity, Judiam, etc. This guy was probably destined to do something similar whether he was Muslim or not.

That being said, there's still no reason to bring Islamic culture into America. This particular issue is immaterial. We can still do just fine without the whole Muslim religion. We'll survive, somehow.

It's already in America, bruh. Last figure I saw said about 12-13 million Muslims live in America and they have the fastest rate of growth/conversions going right now.

Believe me, if all religion were to disappear right now no one would be happier than ya boy. But that's not realistic, is it?

EDIT- Just looked it up. Estimates vary from 3 million (Pew) to 12 million (PBS) about how many Muslims are in the U.S. Weird that the numbers vary so much...

[Akrazotile]

It's already in America, bruh. Last figure I saw said about 12-13 million Muslims live in America and they have the fastest rate of growth/conversions going right now.

Believe me, if all religion were to disappear right now no one would be happier than ya boy. But that's not realistic, is it?



I know there are many Muslims here currently, many of them are well adjusted because they came here under legal circumstances, ie with visas from universities or employers, and started families.

I'm talking about the current immigration shit. We don't need to bring any random floaters over as 'refugees.' It is an absolute outrage that our government is even considering it. It is not about providing shelter for anyone. These people are a tiny drop in the bucket, coming from countries routinely exploited by western and middle eastern leaders. It's about driving a wedge into the American political landscape as usual. **** that.

If someone asked deucewallaces "should we bring in refugees?" he would have absolutely no intelligent thought to put into an answer, so he would answer 'yes' because it is the safest answer to give, likely to be approved of by his cuck peer group. Guy has nothing coherent or meaningful to offer, but he's gonna pick a side to try and look cool and get approval from a bunch of ugly hippie losers. THATS what pisses me off.

[UK2K]

His mother confirms what rational people probably knew- he suffers from mental illness. She claims he hears voices (I'm assuming he's a paranoid schizophrenic) and that he was convinced the cops were out to get him. He also suffered some sort of traumatic brain injury.

Another one for the mental issue pile.
But if he was doing ****ed up in the head, and doing God's work, he's a right wing extremist?

You can't have it both ways.

The PP shooter the other day... Yeah he was a Christian extremist. That's all I heard on this board. Was he ****ed up in the head? Obviously, but that didn't stop anyone from trying to associate him with Christians.

So, pick a position. Either they're all ****ed up, or their all doing God's work. It's one or the other.

[pauk]

After praying 5 times a day etc. being the best human possible, not hurting even a fly in your life how many of those you call (or they call themselves) "muslims" did what they did for a very last resort life at stake very justifiable DEFENSIVE PURPOSE (which is the only justifiable way a muslim can take someone elses life in an inevitably unavoidable way to try save his own) and how many of those "muslims" immediately seeked for mercy/forgiveness for/from a victim/"enemy" which is something Islam/Koran commands in any situation even if the person killed your entire damn family/relatives? (something called Istighfaar).....

NONE.............

Whatever happened to just being CRAZY? Why cant anybody be just called CRAZY anymore? Why? Whats wrong with it?

Ideology doesnt condone psychotic or criminal deeds, well, at least not the Abrahamic kind which are all beautiful (jewish, christian, islamic).... but PEOPLE do, their ACTIONS do condone that.... they are not jewish/christian/muslim....... they are just CRAZY.... they are not doing it because of ideology, there is no such thing.... they are doing it because they are CRAZY....

Word of the day ----> CRAZY http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/crazy

[Giaodollo]

It's funny- this morning on the news they treated this as a throwaway story. They played the 911 recording of the cop reporting he had been shot, the newscasters did their usual 'that's awful' spiel, then they immediately moved on to another story.

It was only when the word 'ISIS' entered the fray that it became a huge Breaking News story... Only for it to be bumped off the headline by El Chapo.

I feel like I just got some advanced media studies course played out in front of me the past few hours. :lol

It doesn't take a genius, like yourself, to realize what creates stories.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Every once in awhile, we hear of crazy Philly crime stories like this every few months when I lived there. I've heard of some really crazy shit in West Philly, North Philly, and sometimes South Philly. Crazy people down in deep West Philly (a North Philly dude born and raised even told me, North Philly does have a bad rep but he said he feels a lot unsafer in secluded streets in deep West Philly). I almost got assaulted by some random homeless man who wanted $3 but all I had was $2... thankfully some cop was at the corner and told him to scram.

I hope the cop recovers. Philly is unpredictable as a city.

[DonDadda59]

But if he was doing ****ed up in the head, and doing God's work, he's a right wing extremist?

You can't have it both ways.

The PP shooter the other day... Yeah he was a Christian extremist. That's all I heard on this board. Was he ****ed up in the head? Obviously, but that didn't stop anyone from trying to associate him with Christians.

So, pick a position. Either they're all ****ed up, or their all doing God's work. It's one or the other.

Personally, I think anyone who thinks they converse telepathically with a Wizard somewhere in Space should be classified as insane... Or at the very least delusional. Now if that same Wizard uses his Professor X abilities to tell people to kill others in his name, they are far gone.

But again, that's just me personally.


It doesn't take a genius, like yourself, to realize what creates stories.

It's not mandatory, but it does help.

[Giaodollo]

Why leave out the most important part of the story?
Mr Edward Archer sounds like a Muslim name as well. How many Edwards do you see pledging allegiance to Islam much less IS? I don't know. All I know is that cops should be more equipped to handle nutbags than to allow their guns to get stolen from them.

Muslim doesn't mean Arab, it means muslim, it means you pledge allegiance to Muhammed. You could have the name Jesus and be a muslim that likes ISIS.

[pauk]

Muslim doesn't mean Arab, it means muslim, it means you pledge allegiance to Muhammed. You could have the name Jesus and be a muslim that likes ISIS.


No, as a muslim you pledge allegiance to Jesus (Issah/Yeshuah pbuh) EQUALLY much, just to name a few of the very many Abrahamic prophets from this ABRAHAMIC RELIGION....

[Giaodollo]

No, as a muslim you pledge allegiance to Jesus (Issah/Yeshuah pbuh) EQUALLY much, just to name a few of the very many Abrahamic prophets from this ABRAHAMIC RELIGION....

ok, whatever, I don't care. Point still stands.:facepalm

[Akrazotile]

After praying 5 times a day etc. being the best human possible, not hurting even a fly in your life how many of those you call (or they call themselves) "muslims" did what they did for a very last resort life at stake very justifiable DEFENSIVE PURPOSE (which is the only justifiable way a muslim can take someone elses life in an inevitably unavoidable way to try save his own) and how many of those "muslims" immediately seeked for mercy/forgiveness for/from a victim/"enemy" which is something Islam/Koran commands in any situation even if the person killed your entire damn family/relatives? (something called Istighfaar).....



You mean take another Muslim's life, right? Isn't that how it's actually worded in the Koran?

[pauk]

ok, whatever, I don't care. Point still stands.:facepalm

Muhammad may be the most important of them all to the creation of Islam, yes.... but not to its principles, all of them are equal and just as important.... even with Muhammads words:

"Do not give me preference to other prophets..." (al-Bokhari)

[pauk]

You mean take another Muslim's life, right? Isn't that how it's actually worded in the Koran?

HUMANS life.... Infact you will read even more stuff like this in Koran:

[I]

[GOBB]

This is what sells and draws attention in the media. Lumping muslim/isis/islam in a story to make headlines. This was a criminal with a stolen gun who gunned down a police officer. He did it because he was a scum bag. Cops gun people down in cold blooded murder because they claim they were a threat, appeared to have a gun, resisted, blah blah blah blah :sleeping Yet this guy is who they should have gunned down with no questions asked. Why do pieces of shit like this not end up toe tagged?

[UK2K]

Personally, I think anyone who thinks they converse telepathically with a Wizard somewhere in Space should be classified as insane... Or at the very least delusional. Now if that same Wizard uses his Professor X abilities to tell people to kill others in his name, they are far gone.

But again, that's just me personally.



It's not mandatory, but it does help.
I'm with ya. Anybody who believes a mythical being is their daddy is odd to me, but whatever helps you get through the day.

Now when your beliefs start affecting others lives, then it becomes a problem. It just so happens that there is someone every day being killed in the name of Islam.

[UK2K]

This is what sells and draws attention in the media. Lumping muslim/isis/islam in a story to make headlines. This was a criminal with a stolen gun who gunned down a police officer. He did it because he was a scum bag. Cops gun people down in cold blooded murder because they claim they were a threat, appeared to have a gun, resisted, blah blah blah blah :sleeping Yet this guy is who they should have gunned down with no questions asked. Why do pieces of shit like this not end up toe tagged?
Except, again, if it was a Christian that did this in God's name, this board would have an entirely different opinion of what 'crazy' is.

[pauk]

Personally, I think anyone who thinks they converse telepathically with a Wizard somewhere in Space should be classified as insane... Or at the very least delusional. Now if that same Wizard uses his Professor X abilities to tell people to kill others in his name, they are far gone.

But again, that's just me personally.



It's not mandatory, but it does help.

I am open to that thought... but i am open to the other aswell...

I cant proof he exists... nor can i proof he doesnt...

I want to believe he exists... but i wouldnt mind if he didnt...

I was born muslim, but i am like this... the way i see it/want to believe it is i just strive to be a good human being (its the main point of those religions) and im relatively free from whatever hazard may come... ill let god be the judge, whatever he decides so be it... and if he doesnt exist, then i still didnt waste a huge portion of my time in life with the now empty solicitations, benedictions whatever you want to call it....

Life after death, its scary, yes.... but i am much more scared of not have lived my life, had fun, seized the day, dont want to take a second of it for granted, its only ONE LIFE, dont want a second of it to show up to have been wasted at the end of it all.... as long as im a good person im ok i want to believe! :ohwell:

[Akrazotile]

I am open to that thought... but i am open to the other aswell...

I cant proof he exists... nor can i proof he doesnt...

I want to believe he exists... but i wouldnt mind if he didnt...

I was born muslim, but i am like this... the way i see it/want to believe it is i just strive to be a good human being (its the main point of those religions) and im relatively free from whatever hazard may come... ill let god be the judge, whatever he decides so be it... and if he doesnt exist, then i still didnt waste a huge portion of my time in life with the now empty solicitations, benedictions whatever you want to call it....


What do you mean?

[pauk]

What do you mean?

Well... father was/is Bosnian Muslim, although mother was Croatian Catholic, she to had some muslim (bosnian) blood from her mothers side and father some Montenegrin Orthodox blood from his mothers side (eh, fr. Yugoslavia for you right there, big story bruh!)... none of my parents were so devout religously though, kindof more secular tbh... like me, although i did try with islam for a very short bit, did think about catholicism aswell, then i just exactly like Bill Burr did here with the curling, let it go (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krvVxzPXlcg).. dunno... to be honest, interesting question...

Enough about me, how about you Akro? Christian? Jewish? Atheist? Agnostic? Other? :)

(weird thread to chat like this considering the context, but eff it)

[Patrick Chewing]

Whatever happened to just being CRAZY? Why cant anybody be just called CRAZY anymore? Why? Whats wrong with it?




You just don't get it. These people aren't crazy. They are INDOCTRINATED.

They know perfectly well what they are doing. "Crazy" is just an excuse to ignore that there is radical indoctrination going on all over the place. At homes, in mosques, online, you name it. Islam has been hijacked, and the worst possible thing YOU can do as a Muslim is to brush this off as this guy just being crazy.

[pauk]

You just don't get it. These people aren't crazy. They are INDOCTRINATED.

They know perfectly well what they are doing. "Crazy" is just an excuse to ignore that there is radical indoctrination going on all over the place. At homes, in mosques, online, you name it. Islam has been hijacked, and the worst possible thing YOU can do as a Muslim is to brush this off as this guy just being crazy.

Yes.... by crazy people... to the point where they became crazy.... :)

...and as far as the last part, thats unfortunately what all muslims do, because not only are those actions not condoned and not also because those actions (are "in the name of islam") are pretty much giving the religion a bad name but also because those actions have killed more muslims than anything else....

[Akrazotile]

Well... father was/is Bosnian Muslim, although mother was Croatian Catholic, she to had some muslim (bosnian) blood from her mothers side and father some Montenegrin Orthodox blood from his mothers side (eh, fr. Yugoslavia for you right there, big story bruh!)... none of my parents were so devout religously though, kindof more secular tbh... like me... dunno... to be honest, interesting question...

Enough about me, how about you Akro? Christian? Jewish? Atheist? Agnostic? Other? :)

(weird thread to chat like this considering the context, but eff it)


I have mixed christian and jewish ancestry. I am agnostic, and appreciate the values of both religions. I believe Creation is a possibility. I don't begrudge anyone for their belief set, and I realize we all are individuals with different outlooks. Focusing on a world to come is an important part of many peoples lives, and people do many good things because of it. We are all often beneficiaries of that. I feel my part of the bargain is to help keep things running smoothly in the world of today, and sometimes that requires blunt honesty and taking difficult or unpopular positions. I understand Islam is interpreted many ways by many people, but I also understand that a literal interpretation of it is likely to manifest as a kind of extremism that should not be welcome in the United States. And while you may be a moderate, a lot of Muslims are not. They're not welcome here as far as I'm concerned. Period. I don't think it does this country good to have a growing number of people who retain a culture on a strict level that is drastically different than our own. Frankly I don't think it does the planet any good to have these folks growing in number. If I know an individual who is chill, then I don't really care what his deal is because I know him. But I can't meet every Muslim on the planet, and I happen to know a lot of them are extremists. So IMO, it's simply a matter of better to be too cautious than too cavalier. What is the benefit of being too cavalier? Getting 'cool' points from hipsters fakkits? No thanks.

But I don't WANT us to fukk with anyones shit. If Muslims will live where they live and not fukk with us, then we should do the same. THen it's all good :pimp:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Don't know why you guys have trouble believing in an Afterlife and a Day of Recompense.

Everything has a cause and effect, eventually. Things tend to come to equilibrium or order. You see this natural phenomenoma everywhere around you.

Why wouldn't this principle extend to the unseen dimensions (the 4th, the 5th, the 6th all the way to the 10th?)

A Human Being is composed of something (consciousness, soul, spirit) that's not confined to material dimensions. For many thousands of years, the Muslims practice their 5X Salat, the Taoist Chinese practice of Kan and Li Meditation, the Indians practice their Kundalini Yoga and Meditation to enter Samadhi (thoughtless trance), which is an ancient form of alchemy that was continued to transform the raw energy and thought substance a human has into something far, far greater.

Real simple. Dozens of successful civilizations believed in this. Your ancestors believed in this. Man can not reach an optimal level of happiness WITHOUT faith in the Hereafter because he was SPECIFICALLY CREATED TO DESIRE THIS and EARN IT. Egyptians of the Kemet Religion who mastered sciences we've only recently begun to remember while slaving 12 hours a day to pile brick by brick for God, Vikings who were fearsome warriors, Christians who have carried the load of building brick after law and integrating such heavenly (i.e. equality, freedom, liberty, non-Darwinist) values into Western Civilization etc. These people were just as learned as we were in normal matters sans technology and DEFINITELY more learned in spiritual matters, as technology is detrimental to the connection man has in putting his attention in his heart, where he is guided by an internal intelligence (conscience) that baffles and inspires even guys like Francis Bacon.


What knowledge of the afterlife do people in 2016 have that they wouldn't have prior? Answer this.

This world is like an illusion where our lives play out like dreams in order that we may learn lessons, graduate, learn more lessons and come closer into "Self-Actualization." Nothing here is really real. Which is why if you're honest, deep in your heart you want God's love so, so, so badly and you just want to return.. "Lonely rivers flow to the sea, to the sea.. through the open arms of the sea..." Righteous Brothers - Unchained Melody.
The Holographic Universe has confirmed the illusory nature of this world.

It seems sinning people (i.e. American 60's counterculture) have met the EFFECT of their ways through memes like nihilism via Fight Club, Darwinism and other cultural axioms such as "no good deed goes unpunished", "rather reign in hell than serve in heaven"

. This is the reason why you REPEATEDLY throughout your life encounter
- THE SAME BAD RELATIONSHIPS among women
- BRUTAL CRITICISM from said women (which are almost always true)
- THE SAME TRAUMAS THAT HAUNT YOU FROM CHILDHOOD
- THOUGHTS FROM YOUR SELVES BEING CREATED YEARS LATER (i.e. I SWEAR I dreamt of guys like Starface, Nick, Dresta, and Don like 10 years ago (as insane as that sounds)
- THE EXACT THINGS YOU HATE WITHIN YOURSELF BLATANTLY MANIFESTING THEMSELVES IN OTHER HUMANS
- THE THINGS YOU FEEL GUILTY ABOUT RESURFACING IN YOUR PRESENT LIFE
- EGO BEING AN ILLUSION


Until you repent, forgive, stop being afraid of sh!t that isn't even real, purify, and detach yourselves from these things that separate you from God, the source of all Good and Light You don't necessarily need a religion to do this, you just need to [U]UNDERSTAND and APPLY /U] these eternal working concepts.

That's kinda the journey to peace.

And God has always, and will always have power over all things.

Why can't you reflect on your day and see this? Why can't you just, for half an hour, sit in silence and try to find the common thread in how your day went by and see the Hand that has compelled the messages that were delivered to you?

This is the Truth. And this is something that's been KNOWN, not theorized, NOT postulated, but KNOWN for thousands and thousands of years. Yet ISH wants to break this down?

When you die, it's as if you just became alive. With physical death comes spiritual life. With spiritual death, comes physical life. Religions are paths to return to that lovely oh so lovely spiritual life.

It's just hard to accept when you're not in your natural (fitrah) state. You're all invited to UNPLUG, deHYPNOTIZE, head over to a way off and reflect to realize this Truth.

Do you not bear witness to see the minds of imdaman99, Pauk, Deuce, Dresta, TheMan, Ridonks, Clifton starting to converge in their outlook on things and becoming more truthful, more loving, more peaceful surely but slowly as previously refracted light is starting to look brighter, at a clearer angle? As a consequence of their virtue.

Do you not bear witness to see guys like tomtucker, poido, 9, Nick, bignbafan, poido slowly decaying, losing their marbles, and self-destroying themselves into becoming even sh!ttier, sh!ttier people and becoming even more off-the-mark. As a consequence of their sin?

Is wisdom and good conduct not intertwined?

[UK2K]

Apparently, the guy made two trips to the middle east recently...

Are we still sticking with the 'he's crazy' angle?

[Patrick Chewing]

Apparently, the guy made two trips to the middle east recently...

Are we still sticking with the 'he's crazy' angle?


That's what the Muslims on ISH want you to believe. In their heart of hearts they can't come to terms that there is a huge radical element within the religion. They seem to be the crazy ones.

[GOBB]

Except, again, if it was a Christian that did this in God's name, this board would have an entirely different opinion of what 'crazy' is.

I don't care what religion u are. Crazy is a person unloading a gun into a police and going as far as to lean into the window to continue shooting. Period.

[poido123]

Yes.... by crazy people... to the point where they became crazy.... :)

...and as far as the last part, thats unfortunately what all muslims do, because not only are those actions not condoned and not also because those actions (are "in the name of islam") are pretty much giving the religion a bad name but also because those actions have killed more muslims than anything else....



We hear that excuse too much I'm afraid. "Not all muslims", "they said in the name of Islam, but..."etc etc.


I think we really need to look at Indoctrination, because labelling them crazy doesn't do justice to those who are legitimately mentally ill.


Muslims don't want the microscope on their religion, but they sure deserve one and it's time it was acknowledged as a cult and make laws banning it's practice.

[imdaman99]

Apparently, the guy made two trips to the middle east recently...

Are we still sticking with the 'he's crazy' angle?
Yeah you're right. Crazy people are not allowed to travel.

[imdaman99]

We hear that excuse too much I'm afraid. "Not all muslims", "they said in the name of Islam, but..."etc etc.


I think we really need to look at Indoctrination, because labelling them crazy doesn't do justice to those who are legitimately mentally ill.


Muslims don't want the microscope on their religion, but they sure deserve one and it's time it was acknowledged as a cult and make laws banning it's practice.
Can we ban your practicing hate speech on this forum? :oldlol: You are borderline terroristic with your ideals.

[poido123]

Can we ban your practicing hate speech on this forum? :oldlol: You are borderline terroristic with your ideals.



Hate speech? You mean like Muslim Imam's who OPENLY preach death and destruction to the non-believers without hate speech laws to hold them accountable, but I can't at least critcise your religion and it's sadistic practices?


Go find a basketball muslim site that panders to your opinion.

[Patrick Chewing]

Yeah you're right. Crazy people are not allowed to travel.


Why don't we just say that Islam is a crazy religion to follow?

[imdaman99]

Hate speech? You mean like Muslim Imam's who OPENLY preach death and destruction to the non-believers without hate speech laws to hold them accountable, but I can't at least critcise your religion and it's sadistic practices?


Go find a basketball muslim site that panders to your opinion.
You can criticize the imam all you want, but that's not what you're doing. I'm a practicing Muslim that finds almost everything you say to be e-terrorism against my religion :oldlol: How does that make you feel, knowing you're having thoughts against my religion that these confirmed violent psychopaths have against you? Criticizing? :oldlol: you have basically said Muslims don't belong in the west. That's a long way past 'criticizing'.

Lol at go find a Muslim basketball site :roll: you say the cutest things bruh

[UK2K]

Philadelphia police have been told that three "radical" associates of a self-proclaimed ISIS-inspired gunman who attacked a cop Thursday were still at large and that "the threat to police is not over," according to a published report.*

Apparently, his three friends all have the same mental illness.

What are the odds??]

[imdaman99]

Crazy people hanging out with other crazy people? Who knew that could even happen! I only allow 1 crazy nut in my friends circle.

[UK2K]

Crazy people hanging out with other crazy people? Who knew that could even happen! I only allow 1 crazy nut in my friends circle.

Apparently, all these crazy people have come down with the same mental illness...

Believing Americans need to die in the name of Allah. If I had to guess, I'd say its contagious, given how many in the Middle East have the exact same mental illness. Has to be.

[TheImmortal]

This is what sells and draws attention in the media. Lumping muslim/isis/islam in a story to make headlines. This was a criminal with a stolen gun who gunned down a police officer. He did it because he was a scum bag. Cops gun people down in cold blooded murder because they claim they were a threat, appeared to have a gun, resisted, blah blah blah blah :sleeping Yet this guy is who they should have gunned down with no questions asked. Why do pieces of shit like this not end up toe tagged?This.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XFYTtgZAlE

:lol

[Nick Young]

Crazy people hanging out with other crazy people? Who knew that could even happen! I only allow 1 crazy nut in my friends circle.
Why are you constantly making excuses for murderous ISIS-associated Islamic terrorists and fanatics?

Stop being a terrorist apologist!


#SAVEUSNSA

#HomelandsecurityWHEREYOUAT

[UK2K]

Why are you constantly making excuses for murderous ISIS-associated Islamic terrorists and fanatics?

Stop being a terrorist apologist!


#SAVEUSNSA

#HomelandsecurityWHEREYOUAT

It's just a front. He knows there's a very large, very dangerous, segment of his religion that believes the way this shooter does.. That America needs to go.

He just won't say it. But he knows.

[Straight_Ballin]

Just going by what this guy says...



Here's the kicker...



True or false? Anyone? I don't pretend to know the Quran, so I don't know for sure, so someone help a brother out.

http://40.media.tumblr.com/28a0814da3d210f1823df5cf47c47806/tumblr_inline_o0opq2RgJW1qcpjwc_1280.jpg

[imdaman99]

It's just a front. He knows there's a very large, very dangerous, segment of his religion that believes the way this shooter does.. That America needs to go.

He just won't say it. But he knows.
Bro you can shit on ISIS all you want. I will help you and join with you.

But don't you dare torture me by quoting NickYoung so that I will have to read his posts :rant