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DonDadda59
01-08-2016, 08:04 PM
Wade, on his own, was able to beat the Dirk Nowitzki led Mavericks (60 wins, #1 Offense) while winning Finals MVP.

Wade in '06: 35 PPG/ 8 RPG/ 4 APG/ 3 SPG/ 1 BPG (47% FG)

His 'help'... Shaquille O'Neal on his last legs and Antoine 'Shimmy' Walker.

'06 Helpers
Shaq: 13.7 PPG/ 10.2 RPG/ 2.8 APG (61% FG)
'Twoine: 13.8 PPG/ 5.5 RPG/ 2.2 APG (39% FG)

Bron makes the decision to collude, you know the rest- Shits the bed in his first Finals with the Heat, costing Wade a second FMVP. But then they win the next 2. The Spurs wipe their ass with them the next year, Bron quits on his team and flies back to repair his relationship with Da Real Lambo yadda yadda yadda...

2012 Bron: 29/10/7/2 (47% FG)
2013 Bron: 25/11/7/2/1 (45% FG)

2012 Helpers
Wade: 22.6 PPG/ 6 RPG/ 5.2 APG/ 1.4 SPG/ 1.2 BPG (44% FG)
Bosh: 14.6 PPG/ 9.4 RPG (45% FG)

2013 Helpers
Wade: 19.6 PPG/ 4 RPG/ 4.6 APG/ 1.9 SPG/ 1.3 BPG (47% FG)
Bosh: 11.9 PPG/ 8.9 RPG/ 1.9 SPG/ 1.6 BPG (46% FG)
Allen: 10.6 PPG (54% FG, 55% 3) *Hit the most important shot of the series*

Who had the better series? Who had more help? How do you get outscored in a Finals series by Jason Terry coming off the bench when your team, without you, beat a superior version of the Mavericks?

Who you got? :confusedshrug:

dubeta
01-08-2016, 08:05 PM
1-9

DonDadda59
01-08-2016, 08:07 PM
1-9

You making a list of some sort? What are your thoughts on the topic? :confusedshrug:

feyki
01-08-2016, 08:29 PM
True .

Black and White
01-08-2016, 08:31 PM
In b4 ref arguments

GrapeApe
01-08-2016, 08:39 PM
In b4 ref arguments

Bran stans won't go there because it opens the door for criticizing the officiating in the 2012 finals.

AnaheimLakers24
01-08-2016, 08:41 PM
The 06 ring, despite being a fraud ring, means more to miami than those 2 asterik rings

Wade's Rings
01-08-2016, 08:48 PM
Wade, on his own, was able to beat the Dirk Nowitzki led Mavericks (60 wins, #1 Offense) while winning Finals MVP.

Wade in '06: 35 PPG/ 8 RPG/ 4 APG/ 3 SPG/ 1 BPG (47% FG)

His 'help'... Shaquille O'Neal on his last legs and Antoine 'Shimmy' Walker.

'06 Helpers
Shaq: 13.7 PPG/ 10.2 RPG/ 2.8 APG (61% FG)
'Twoine: 13.8 PPG/ 5.5 RPG/ 2.2 APG (39% FG)

Bron makes the decision to collude, you know the rest- Shits the bed in his first Finals with the Heat, costing Wade a second FMVP. But then they win the next 2. The Spurs wipe their ass with them the next year, Bron quits on his team and flies back to repair his relationship with Da Real Lambo yadda yadda yadda...

2012 Bron: 29/10/7/2 (47% FG)
2013 Bron: 25/11/7/2/1 (45% FG)

2012 Helpers
Wade: 22.6 PPG/ 6 RPG/ 5.2 APG/ 1.4 SPG/ 1.2 BPG (44% FG)
Bosh: 14.6 PPG/ 9.4 RPG (45% FG)

2013 Helpers
Wade: 19.6 PPG/ 4 RPG/ 4.6 APG/ 1.9 SPG/ 1.3 BPG (47% FG)
Bosh: 11.9 PPG/ 8.9 RPG/ 1.9 SPG/ 1.6 BPG (46% FG)
Allen: 10.6 PPG (54% FG, 55% 3) *Hit the most important shot of the series*

Who had the better series? Who had more help? How do you get outscored in a Finals series by Jason Terry coming off the bench when your team, without you, beat a superior version of the Mavericks?

Who you got? :confusedshrug:

I used to think Wade's '06 Run was way worse than Bron's '12 but there was an old thread comparing their runs and it's actually pretty close.

Anyways to answer your OP, I would say Wade's '06 Finals was better than Bron's '12 or '13 Finals.

Hey Yo
01-08-2016, 08:48 PM
Jason Terry avg. starter minutes and took the 2nd most FGA for Dallas

Who was his defensive assignment??

GrapeApe
01-08-2016, 09:08 PM
Jason Terry avg. starter minutes and took the 2nd most FGA for Dallas

Who was his defensive assignment??

Everyone makes a big deal of Terry being a "bench player", but he was the 2nd option regardless. I know Lebron guarded him on occasion, but in reality most of his damage probably came against Bibby and Chalmers. Speaking of Bibby, him forgetting how to shoot is the most underrated aspect of that series.

MP.Trey
01-08-2016, 09:08 PM
2 rings > 1 overall but Wade's 06 performance is more impressive than anything LeBron has done in the finals. Wade had nearly no help on that team outside of Shaq.

dubeta
01-08-2016, 09:17 PM
2 rings > 1 overall but Wade's 06 performance is more impressive than anything LeBron has done in the finals. Wade had nearly no help on that team outside of Shaq.


And LeBron literally had no help in 2013 and won

outbreak
01-08-2016, 09:18 PM
In b4 ref arguments
As a celtics fan do you remember that boston v miami series that bill simmons compared to the wwe? The one where the heat got away with murder over and over and over and over and over again?

ShawkFactory
01-08-2016, 09:23 PM
Wades run was more impressive. Bron was a better player during his.

GrapeApe
01-08-2016, 09:29 PM
And LeBron literally had no help in 2013 and won

Wade: 20/5/4, 1.9 spg, 1.3 bpg
Bosh: 12/9/2, 1.9 spg, 1.6 bpg
Allen: 11/2/2 on 54%

That's very good production from a second, third, and fourth option. The Heat had 5 players in double figures.

dubeta
01-08-2016, 09:34 PM
Lmao nobody respects Wade's 2006 and his 25 fts a game




Heck I was only 6 years old at that time and even I saw that blatant rigging :oldlol:

ArbitraryWater
01-08-2016, 09:35 PM
Wade: 20/5/4, 1.9 spg, 1.3 bpg
Bosh: 12/9/2, 1.9 spg, 1.6 bpg
Allen: 11/2/2 on 54%

That's very good production from a second, third, and fourth option. The Heat had 5 players in double figures.

Thats not very good, thats pretty average..

you did regular season stats, too.... playoffs was worse.

16 ppg by your 2nd option
12 ppg by your 3rd option

Thats really mediocre.

ArbitraryWater
01-08-2016, 09:38 PM
Lmao nobody respects Wade's 2006 and his 25 fts a game




Heck I was only 6 years old at that time and even I saw that blatant rigging :oldlol:

:roll: :roll:

Wade's Rings
01-08-2016, 09:45 PM
Thats not very good, thats pretty average..

you did regular season stats, too.... playoffs was worse.

16 ppg by your 2nd option
12 ppg by your 3rd option

Thats really mediocre.

Wade put up 16/5/5/1.7/1 shooting 46%. His offensive production wasn't great but he was good defensively.

Wade's Rings
01-08-2016, 09:47 PM
Lmao nobody respects Wade's 2006 and his 25 fts a game




Heck I was only 6 years old at that time and even I saw that blatant rigging :oldlol:

Bron shot 234 Total Free Throws in '12 compared to Wade's 250. They both played 23 Games.

dubeta
01-08-2016, 09:48 PM
Wade put up 16/5/5/1.7/1 shooting 46%. His offensive production wasn't great but he was good defensively.


LOL u trolling??


Danny Green was the freaking FMVP the first 5 games and that was Wade's man :roll:

Wade's Rings
01-08-2016, 09:49 PM
LOL u trolling??


Danny Green was the freaking FMVP the first 5 games and that was Wade's man :roll:

Through the 1st 5 Games it was Tony Parker or Duncan, try a little harder dubeta.

ShawkFactory
01-08-2016, 09:51 PM
Wade: 20/5/4, 1.9 spg, 1.3 bpg
Bosh: 12/9/2, 1.9 spg, 1.6 bpg
Allen: 11/2/2 on 54%

That's very good production from a second, third, and fourth option. The Heat had 5 players in double figures.
Don't respond to the obvious troll breh.

His goal is to be as outlandish as possible.

It's amazing he's taken aeriously

dubeta
01-08-2016, 09:52 PM
According to Wade's Rings*, Wade was locking down Duncan in the finals :roll: :roll: :roll:

Papaya Petee
01-08-2016, 10:18 PM
Lmao nobody respects Wade's 2006 and his 25 fts a game




Heck I was only 6 years old at that time and even I saw that blatant rigging :oldlol:
Lol so you're a 15 year old kid turning 16 and you spend all your time as a Sophomore in High School on an internet web site talking shit to randoms you don't know?
:roll: :roll:

GrapeApe
01-08-2016, 10:24 PM
Thats not very good, thats pretty average..

you did regular season stats, too.... playoffs was worse.

16 ppg by your 2nd option
12 ppg by your 3rd option

Thats really mediocre.

The numbers I posted were their finals averages.

I don't know how you can consider 20 ppg for a second option and three other players in double figures "average". Wade averaged more ppg than the Spurs leading scorer (Duncan). The Spurs were considered to be this great balanced team, yet their 2-5 scorers only averaged 3 more ppg than the Heat's 2-5 scorers.

Wade's Rings
01-08-2016, 10:25 PM
Lol so you're a 15 year old kid turning 16 and you spend all your time as a Sophomore in High School on an internet web site talking shit to randoms you don't know?
:roll: :roll:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

He also talks about Ball from back then but he didn't even watch it. :oldlol:

knicksman
01-08-2016, 10:27 PM
Collusion is worse than refs. Nobody respects a colluding fakkit

Bankaii
01-08-2016, 11:29 PM
What retarded logic would cause 1>2?

ArbitraryWater
01-08-2016, 11:30 PM
Through the 1st 5 Games it was Tony Parker or Duncan, try a little harder dubeta.

no it wasnt.. Danny Green legit set the finals record for 3's through like 5 games.

Duncan had his top game in game 6.

Wade's Rings
01-08-2016, 11:39 PM
What retarded logic would cause 1>2?

So 3>2, Wade > Bron

:applause:


no it wasnt.. Danny Green legit set the finals record for 3's through like 5 games.

Duncan had his top game in game 6.

Yeah he played good. Parker: 16/2/7 shooting 49%..Duncan: 16/11/2 + 2 blks on 46% shooting. I don't see how he was the FMVP through the 1st 5 Games.

WayOfWade
01-08-2016, 11:42 PM
2 is greater than 1 obviously, I don't know who would disagree with that. But the 1 was special because it was the first in franchise history, featured a better FMVP than Bron in 2012 or 2013, and ushered in the Heat as a quality franchise.
LeBrons years are more important in my opinion, but only together.
And as for the fools who say the games were rigged (in 06), please supply some sort of evidence other than "25 FTS!!!" I've watched every game and if I recall, Wade got next to no free throws in the 4th quarter of game 3, and the Mavs lost because Dirk choked on HIS ft. The Game 5 FTS to win the game were a legit foul for anyone who has eyes. Only someone blinded by bias would say otherwise. Is it really that hard to simply appreciate a great performance?

WayOfWade
01-08-2016, 11:45 PM
no it wasnt.. Danny Green legit set the finals record for 3's through like 5 games.

Duncan had his top game in game 6.
Yeah, Green was a monster, I just remember him and Neal raining 3's in game 3 and leaving the room in disgust. It was that bad though because Wade was beyond horrible games 1-3, all of his stats came in the first half, he averaged like 2 or 3 second half points those games which really gave the Spurs the advantage. Only when Wade got his act together was he able to aid LeBron in taking 3 out of the 4 final games

ArbitraryWater
01-08-2016, 11:49 PM
Yeah, Green was a monster, I just remember him and Neal raining 3's in game 3 and leaving the room in disgust. It was that bad though because Wade was beyond horrible games 1-3, all of his stats came in the first half, he averaged like 2 or 3 second half points those games which really gave the Spurs the advantage. Only when Wade got his act together was he able to aid LeBron in taking 3 out of the 4 final games

I remember all those 3's, and Wade through the first 3 games always being around 16 points or so in the first half, to then disappear in the second with around 2-3 points... was weird. In game 4 he stuck with the act in the second.

Bankaii
01-09-2016, 12:26 AM
So 3>2, Wade > Bron
No.

2 Rings, 2 FMVP > 1 Ring, 1 FMVP.

Just like 2 Rings, 2 FMVP, 4 MVP, more All-NBA and All-Defense teams, superior stats, scorer, passer, playmaker, defender and overall player > 3 Rings (2 of them being sidekick rings).

Nice try though, bud.

Wade's Rings
01-09-2016, 12:31 AM
No.

2 Rings, 2 FMVP > 1 Ring, 1 FMVP.

Just like 2 Rings, 2 FMVP, 4 MVP, more All-NBA and All-Defense teams, superior stats, scorer, passer, playmaker, defender and overall player > 3 Rings (2 of them being sidekick rings).

Nice try though, bud.

You just said "What retarded logic would cause 1>2?" now your rattling off a bunch of shit which have nothing to do with your initial point. Jesus you're a moron. :facepalm

TheMarkMadsen
01-09-2016, 12:34 AM
Thats not very good, thats pretty average..

you did regular season stats, too.... playoffs was worse.

16 ppg by your 2nd option
12 ppg by your 3rd option

Thats really mediocre.

but 18 ppg from your second option and 12 ppg from your 3rd option is GOAT help, right?

you and your hypocritical ass

Bankaii
01-09-2016, 01:39 AM
You just said "What retarded logic would cause 1>2?" now your rattling off a bunch of shit which have nothing to do with your initial point. Jesus you're a moron. :facepalm
I guess I should have prefaced it with a blanket statement so that morons like you wouldn't troll.

I meant what retarded logic would cause 2 rings AS THE MAN to be worse than 1 ring AS THE MAN.

Hence, 2 rings as the man > 1 ring as the man plus 2 sidekick rings.

The second part of my post was directed towards you saying Wade > Lebron.

Are you slow or do you really not understand?

Black and White
01-09-2016, 02:50 AM
As a celtics fan do you remember that boston v miami series that bill simmons compared to the wwe? The one where the heat got away with murder over and over and over and over and over again?

Yea I remember, our series with the Heat were always physical, even back to the Cavs vs. Celts days.

I found myself yelling at the screen so many times.

warriorfan
01-09-2016, 02:50 AM
I guess I should have prefaced it with a blanket statement so that morons like you wouldn't troll.

I meant what retarded logic would cause 2 rings AS THE MAN to be worse than 1 ring AS THE MAN.

Hence, 2 rings as the man > 1 ring as the man plus 2 sidekick rings.

The second part of my post was directed towards you saying Wade > Lebron.

Are you slow or do you really not understand?

r u mad?

Wade's Rings
01-09-2016, 02:52 AM
I guess I should have prefaced it with a blanket statement so that morons like you wouldn't troll.

I meant what retarded logic would cause 2 rings AS THE MAN to be worse than 1 ring AS THE MAN.

Hence, 2 rings as the man > 1 ring as the man plus 2 sidekick rings.

Next time don't post shit without fully saying what you mean.


The second part of my post was directed towards you saying Wade > Lebron.

Are you slow or do you really not understand?

If you weren't slow you would realize me saying Wade > Bron was directly linked to me saying 3>2. You're f*cking stupid. I blame myself for expecting you to say something not retarded.

DonDadda59
01-09-2016, 03:15 AM
Well it seems that most people went with Flash. :applause:

So that begs the question- how much impact did Bron really have in Miami?

I mean the Heat with prime Wade and Shaq's shadow beat a superior Mavs team with a prime Dirk than the Mavericks team Miami with Bron lost to.

They beat one team clearly in the Finals- The Thunder and barely squeaked by The Spurs before getting trounced in the rematch, forcing James to tuck tail and run home.

The only difference between Miami winning the same number of championships with Bron as without him was a miracle shot by Ray.

And the East was destabilized by Great Collusion of 2010. The Heat were playing in by all accounts, metrics, etc the worst Conference in post NBA merger History... So making the Finals was just a foregone conclusion during those seasons.

1 Championship without Bron, 2 with him... Could've been just 1 with him sans a miracle from Jesus himself.

So how great is our LeGawd, really? :confusedshrug:

Bankaii
01-09-2016, 03:40 AM
r u mad?
Why are you always so desperate for my attention?

Do I mean that much to you lol?

Bankaii
01-09-2016, 03:47 AM
Next time don't post shit without fully saying what you mean.
Or next time you can use your brain dumbass.

No one with an IQ over 7 thinks Wade's 3 rings > Lebron's 2.

If you weren't slow you would realize me saying Wade > Bron was directly linked to me saying 3>2. You're f*cking stupid. I blame myself for expecting you to say something not retarded.[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot dude, it's honestly scary.

I obviously knew the direct correlation, which is why I showed why Lebrons rings were greater than Wade's.

Do both of us a favor and stop responding to my post.

You dumb as fk and have the comprehension skills of a toddler.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
01-09-2016, 03:59 AM
Yes. Dude shot a helluva lot of freethrows, but all things considered D-Wade had one of the GOAT finals. That Heat team was weak AF when you really think about it. Sans an out-of-prime Shaq there wasn't a whole lot there. Zo was alright I guess, he had some nice defensive plays down the stretch.


Next time don't post shit without fully saying what you mean.

If you weren't slow you would realize me saying Wade > Bron was directly linked to me saying 3>2. You're f*cking stupid. I blame myself for expecting you to say something not retarded.

Yeah, he's what we in the scientific community refer to as a "****-wad"

ZMonkey11
01-09-2016, 04:07 AM
Lol so you're a 15 year old kid turning 16 and you spend all your time as a Sophomore in High School on an internet web site talking shit to randoms you don't know?
:roll: :roll:

Damn, Dubeta doesn't even have pubes yet.....:facepalm

Wade's Rings
01-09-2016, 04:10 AM
Or next time you can use your brain dumbass.

No one with an IQ over 7 thinks Wade's 3 rings > Lebron's 2.

My post was using the exact same logic your original post did. No context just stating one number is > than the other. Are you this f*cking stupid you couldn't realize that?


I obviously knew the direct correlation, which is why I showed why Lebrons rings were greater than Wade's.

Do both of us a favor and stop responding to my post.

You dumb as fk and have the comprehension skills of a toddler.

If you're entire post was showing why Bron's Rings > Wade's Rings why did you mention 4 MVPS? His MVPs in Cleveland surely affected his Rings in Miami.

Can someone get this down syndrome monkey some help?

Wade's Rings
01-09-2016, 04:12 AM
Yeah, he's what we in the scientific community refer to as a "****-wad"

Agreed. At least the trolls are trying to troll, this guy is serious :biggums:

brain drain
01-09-2016, 04:26 AM
The whole discussion disregards the most important difference between 06 and 11 (and Wade's most important teammates in 2006): the refs.

Had 2006 been reffed like 2011, Dallas would've won that series.
Had 2011 been reffed like 2006, Miami would've won that series.

It really is that simple.

Bankaii
01-09-2016, 05:18 AM
My post was using the exact same logic your original post did. No context just stating one number is > than the other. Are you this f*cking stupid you couldn't realize that?



If you're entire post was showing why Bron's Rings > Wade's Rings why did you mention 4 MVPS? His MVPs in Cleveland surely affected his Rings in Miami.

Can someone get this down syndrome monkey some help?
I legit think you have Down's syndrome.

You said 3 rings > 2 rings, I corrected that bullshit.

You then said Wade > Bron because 3 > 2. Along with proving why Lebrons rings hold a higher value, I proved that Lebron overall is just greater than Wade, further disproving that Wade > Lebron.

You can't seriously be this slow. I'll tutor you, free of charge.

Continue your jerking with kuniva though. Kids with down's should stick together.

warriorfan
01-09-2016, 05:22 AM
I legit think you have Down's syndrome.

You said 3 rings > 2 rings, I corrected that bullshit.

You then said Wade > Bron because 3 > 2. Along with proving why Lebrons rings hold a higher value, I proved that Lebron overall is just greater than Wade, further disproving that Wade > Lebron.

You can't seriously be this slow. I'll tutor you, free of charge.

Continue your jerking with kuniva though. Kids with down's should stick together.

Listen Bud, you need to hit the sack, you are getting cranky, and you don't know shit about ball.

Bankaii
01-09-2016, 06:22 AM
Listen Bud, you need to hit the sack, you are getting cranky, and you don't know shit about ball.
You crave my attention:roll:

knicksman
01-09-2016, 06:36 AM
I bet bran stans just root for bran bcoz of stats. Its just so obvious the way they debate. They dont apply context in the stats they provide. So its no surprise they dont know what eye tests means aka analyzing player skillsets

catch24
01-09-2016, 06:37 AM
I legit think you have Down's syndrome.

You said 3 rings > 2 rings, I corrected that bullshit.

You then said Wade > Bron because 3 > 2. Along with proving why Lebrons rings hold a higher value, I proved that Lebron overall is just greater than Wade, further disproving that Wade > Lebron.

You can't seriously be this slow. I'll tutor you, free of charge.

Continue your jerking with kuniva though. Kids with down's should stick together.


You crave my attention:roll:


^this guy. :oldlol: No substance whatsoever, just a bunch of red-herrings and shit posting. Not everyone thinks Lebron can do zero wrong. get a hold of yourself man.

Bankaii
01-09-2016, 06:41 AM
^this guy. :oldlol: No substance whatsoever, just a bunch of red-herrings and shit posting. Not everyone thinks Lebron can do zero wrong. get a hold of yourself man.
Disprove any statements I've made in this thread.

And I like how you completely disregard the personal attacks towards me first from 3 other posters lol


Jesus you're a moron.

Yeah, he's what we in the scientific community refer to as a "****-wad"

Listen Bud, you need to hit the sack, you are getting cranky, and you don't know shit about ball.
It's definitely only me:roll:

ShaqTwizzle
01-09-2016, 06:45 AM
Wade, on his own, was able to beat the Dirk Nowitzki led Mavericks (60 wins, #1 Offense) while winning Finals MVP.

Wade in '06: 35 PPG/ 8 RPG/ 4 APG/ 3 SPG/ 1 BPG (47% FG)

His 'help'... Shaquille O'Neal on his last legs and Antoine 'Shimmy' Walker.


You're underrating Shaq.

In the Finals he averaged 18 / 12 / 3-apg on 62%TS over the first 3 Miami wins while drawing consistent double teams and heavy amounts of defensive attention which opened up things for Wade.

Only in the 4th win did he have a mediocre game.
So yeah, he was actually an excellent second option in 3/4 Finals wins.

And against Detroit in the ECF he averaged 23 / 11 / 2.6-bpg on 64%TS over the last 5 games (6 game series).

:confusedshrug:

Wade's Rings
01-09-2016, 03:02 PM
I legit think you have Down's syndrome.

You said 3 rings > 2 rings, I corrected that bullshit.

You originally posted "in what retarded world is 1>2?" With 0 context. I then said 3>2 with 0 Context. You proceeded to list off Lebron's accomplishments and I said next time say what you mean in your post. Is that hard to understand?


You then said Wade > Bron because 3 > 2. Along with proving why Lebrons rings hold a higher value, I proved that Lebron overall is just greater than Wade, further disproving that Wade > Lebron.

You can't seriously be this slow. I'll tutor you, free of charge.

Continue your jerking with kuniva though. Kids with down's should stick together.

Me saying Wade > Bron was strictly because of Rings. You rattled off Career Achievements which had nothing to do with the Rings. How can you be this stupid? I'm serious someone please get this down syndrome monkey some help.

Wade's Rings
01-09-2016, 03:07 PM
^this guy. :oldlol: No substance whatsoever, just a bunch of red-herrings and shit posting. Not everyone thinks Lebron can do zero wrong. get a hold of yourself man.

Exactly. He posts something with 0 context and I do the same but I'm an idiot for it. He posts Lebron's Career Achievements in a comparison strictly about Ring totals but I'm an idiot :oldlol:

DonDadda59
01-09-2016, 03:38 PM
You're underrating Shaq.

Not at all, I'm just not cherry-picking stats. Why would I focus in on only half of a series? :confusedshrug:

Wade over that same 3 game period put up 40.3 PPG/ 6.7 RPG/ 3 APG/ 2 SPG/ 1.3 BPG on .613 TS%.

In the closeout game that Miami won by only 3 points, Wade put up 36/10/5/4/3 (56% FG)... Shaq had 9/12 (36% FG), Haslem put up 17/10 (62% FG). But again, that's just a one game sample. I'm looking at the whole series here.

ShaqTwizzle
01-09-2016, 03:43 PM
Not at all, I'm just not cherry-picking stats. Why would I focus in on only half of a series? :confusedshrug:

You said that Shaq was basically useless but he averaged 18/12/3 on 62%TS over the first 3 Miami wins while drawing lots of defensive attention.
Those are elite numbers for the 2nd best player on a contender and he was absolutely having elite impact in 3/4 Finals wins.

I don't know why you posted Wade's numbers.
I know he was the better player especially in that series but for Shaq posting his "series stats" doesn't show how well he contributed in the actual games they won.
Its somewhat disengenous. It implies that Wade won the series with Shaq on average performing at that level which as I showed was not the case.
They don't come close to winning that series if Shaq didn't step it up and improve his play the way he did over the last few games.

Shaq was still a Top 10 player that year and the best C in the league.
If you think he wasn't a great "2nd best" player for a contender then you're naive.

He was very good against Chicago, dominant against Detroit and excellent in 3/4 Finals wins.
I think you underrate the impact he had which as usual went well beyond his numbers.

DonDadda59
01-09-2016, 03:45 PM
You said that Shaq was basically useless

You show me where/when I said that. :biggums:

SouBeachTalents
01-09-2016, 03:58 PM
LeBron had the better teams in '12 & '13 than Wade did in '06, so that has to be factored into the discussion. But if I were to break them down into different sections of the season, I'd rank them as follows

Regular season
1. '13 LeBron
2. '12 LeBron
3. '06 Wade

All 3 had great seasons, but I'd give the nod to both of LeBron's over Wade. '13 LeBron's was clearly the best, but Wade & '12 LeBron's is pretty close

Run to the Finals
1. '12 LeBron
2. '06 Wade/'13 LeBron

LeBron was phenomenal during the 2012 playoffs, so he definitely takes the top spot here. It's EXTREMELY close between Wade & '13 LeBron, Wade faced far tougher competition but did have Shaq playing well during that time, while LeBron faced pretty laughable competition, but had Wade & Bosh playing like total dogshit

Finals
1. '06 Wade
2. '12 LeBron
3. '13 LeBron

'13 LeBron is clearly 3rd, and while '12 LeBron had a great Finals, Wade had a GOAT level Finals, averaging just shy of 40 ppg during Games 3-6, and besides Jordan had to carry his teams scoring burden unlike any other player on a championship team I could think of

feyki
01-09-2016, 03:59 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hkaYmGQ3UtU

Shaq effect in that series = crying to refs

And another flopper attempt 18 ft in last four games . That was Stern control series , like 2012 ECF ..

Bankaii
01-09-2016, 04:00 PM
You originally posted "in what retarded world is 1>2?" With 0 context. I then said 3>2 with 0 Context. You proceeded to list off Lebron's accomplishments and I said next time say what you mean in your post. Is that hard to understand?



Me saying Wade > Bron was strictly because of Rings. You rattled off Career Achievements which had nothing to do with the Rings. How can you be this stupid? I'm serious someone please get this down syndrome monkey some help.
You win dude.

3 > 2 and Wade > Lebron. Wade's a top 10 GOAT now.

There you happy? Anything to get this troll to stfu with his generic recycled "insults"

ShaqTwizzle
01-09-2016, 04:02 PM
Shaq effect in that series = crying to refs

You're completely wrong on that one.
Shaq never wanted Stack suspended and he had nothing to do with it.



Originally called a flagrant foul, penalty 1, the league upgraded it, deeming Stackhouse's contact "clearly excessive," Stu Jackson, the vice president of basketball operations for the N.B.A., said.

Asked after the game about his impression of the foul, O'Neal said: "My impression was, my daughters tackle me harder when I come home. I'm one of the last players of the old school, and you just have to take a hard foul like that and keep on moving."

He added: "It actually felt pretty good to get hit like that. Thank you, Jerry. Appreciate it."

feyki
01-09-2016, 04:13 PM
You're completely wrong on that one.
Shaq never wanted Stack suspended and he had nothing to do with it.

Lies , lies and lies ..

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
01-09-2016, 06:49 PM
You win dude.

Of course he won. Anybody ring counting here is usually associated with an unequivocal zealot.

Nobody can read minds thru text, just like nobody knew you were a brickhead before you started posting.

Quick go defend LeBron in another thread sissy :oldlol:

Wade's Rings
01-09-2016, 06:49 PM
Of course he won. Anybody ring counting here is usually associated with an unequivocal zealot.

Nobody here can read minds thru text, just like nobody knew you were a brickhead before you started posting.

Quick go defend LeBron in another thread sissy :oldlol:

Exactly. Just say what you fully mean, how is that hard to grasp? :oldlol:

WayOfWade
01-09-2016, 06:49 PM
LeBron had the better teams in '12 & '13 than Wade did in '06, so that has to be factored into the discussion. But if I were to break them down into different sections of the season, I'd rank them as follows

Regular season
1. '13 LeBron
2. '12 LeBron
3. '06 Wade

All 3 had great seasons, but I'd give the nod to both of LeBron's over Wade. '13 LeBron's was clearly the best, but Wade & '12 LeBron's is pretty close

Run to the Finals
1. '12 LeBron
2. '06 Wade/'13 LeBron

LeBron was phenomenal during the 2012 playoffs, so he definitely takes the top spot here. It's EXTREMELY close between Wade & '13 LeBron, Wade faced far tougher competition but did have Shaq playing well during that time, while LeBron faced pretty laughable competition, but had Wade & Bosh playing like total dogshit

Finals
1. '06 Wade
2. '12 LeBron
3. '13 LeBron

'13 LeBron is clearly 3rd, and while '12 LeBron had a great Finals, Wade had a GOAT level Finals, averaging just shy of 40 ppg during Games 3-6, and besides Jordan had to carry his teams scoring burden unlike any other player on a championship team I could think of
Great post :applause:
I think even Dubeta would agree with this, that is if he wasn't banned

Wade's Rings
01-09-2016, 06:50 PM
Great post :applause:
I think even Dubeta would agree with this, that is if he wasn't banned

Took them long enough. They need to get his alts, too.

Bankaii
01-09-2016, 07:08 PM
Of course he won. Anybody ring counting here is usually associated with an unequivocal zealot.

Nobody can read minds thru text, just like nobody knew you were a brickhead before you started posting.

Quick go defend LeBron in another thread sissy :oldlol:
You're right dude, 100%.

Wade > Lebron. Sidekick rings > leader rings

Wade the top 10 GOAT.:bowdown:

Am I doing it right?

Spurs5Rings2014
01-09-2016, 10:47 PM
As a celtics fan do you remember that boston v miami series that bill simmons compared to the wwe? The one where the heat got away with murder over and over and over and over and over again?

That whole play offs was fishy, from the WCF to the Pacers series as well.